Can anyone explain the stifling omertà which seems to have enveloped the horrific injuries sustained by Davy Byrne before the start of the recent challenge game between Dublin and Armagh?
Sounded brutal. I heard it was before the game even started. How could someone be so out of control before a challenge match?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:12:20 AM
Sounded brutal. I heard it was before the game even started. How could someone be so out of control before a challenge match?
Was the same player and team involved in something pre-match last year too?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 08, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
Can anyone explain the stifling omertà which seems to have enveloped the horrific injuries sustained by Davy Byrne before the start of the recent challenge game between Dublin and Armagh?
Omerta from the Dublin side??
Seems very odd to have an incident like this in a closed doors challenge match between two teams who don't play each other very often and so should have no bad blood
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
What happened? It's certainly being portrayed as if there is one innocent party here, and one aggressor. If it was as described in the media, it's an absolute disgrace.
It seems unlikely that there was one innocent party, there rarely is, but I can't think of anything that would justify a lad ending up with a broken eye socket
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 08, 2015, 09:25:52 AM
It seems unlikely that there was one innocent party, there rarely is, but I can't think of anything that would justify a lad ending up with a broken eye socket
+ jaw & nose
*If* a report like that is true the guy who did it should be prosecuted.
That's an if though. I don't know where you find out the truth of it.
The lad that did it should be jailed, sc**bag
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
What happened? It's certainly being portrayed as if there is one innocent party here, and one aggressor. If it was as described in the media, it's an absolute disgrace.
You seem like a man of the world az - how likely is it that there was an inexplicable premeditated assault before throw in in an intercounty challenge match? What's in the media is causing a whole lot of bemusement among those who were at the game - which I was not - and there was a fair crowd at it I believe.
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Yes, that's the report doing the rounds, and that's what I meant by an absolute disgrace if that's what happened, or anything like it. *However* it's a bizarre situation in a challenge match if it happened like that. Just put yourselves in the shoes of the players, we've all played in challenge matches, at county or club level. I understand you can be worked up if you are trying to prove yourself to the management or something, but why on earth would you assault the lad who is coming to mark you, if all he did was go to shake hands?
I hope Davy Byrne recovers of course, but I suspect there may be more to this. If not, then the trangressor deserves a massive ban at the very least. Also a psych evaluation!
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
That's a ridiculously idiotic comment, even by your standards.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
What happened? It's certainly being portrayed as if there is one innocent party here, and one aggressor. If it was as described in the media, it's an absolute disgrace.
You seem like a man of the world az - how likely is it that there was an inexplicable premeditated assault before throw in in an intercounty challenge match? What's in the media is causing a whole lot of bemusement among those who were at the game - which I was not - and there was a fair crowd at it I believe.
That's more or less what I was saying in my previous post. If there was a fair crowd, how come a counter report is not out there?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
What happened? It's certainly being portrayed as if there is one innocent party here, and one aggressor. If it was as described in the media, it's an absolute disgrace.
You seem like a man of the world az - how likely is it that there was an inexplicable premeditated assault before throw in in an intercounty challenge match? What's in the media is causing a whole lot of bemusement among those who were at the game - which I was not - and there was a fair crowd at it I believe.
That's more or less what I was saying in my previous post. If there was a fair crowd, how come a counter report is not out there?
I would imagine because further action is coming down the tracks in whatever form that may take
that report sounds a bit made up....Why no comment from Dublin county board or Management, they would surely be in complete uproar....there must be more to this story than meet the eye (no pun intended). none of us really know what happen but isnt it usually the case the 2 of them were niggling and the Dub lad got a thump . The lad def doesnt deserve those type of injuries thats just wrong. and for all we know there could be an Armagh man nursing some wounds too. untill Dublin County board speak or indeed Armagh board. i dnt think we can be sure.....wish Davy Byrne a speedy recovery.
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Oviously i wasnt there and didnt see what went on, but i would find it very hard to believe that the above happened, especially at IC level.
If that is what happened, was the offending player sent off?
Did Dublin still go ahead and play the game even though one of their players was subject to such an unprovoked assault prior to throw in?
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Where did you read it?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Where did you read it?
All reports i can find seem to reference the EH
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/davey-byrne-released-from-hospital-after-breaking-eye-socket-31356502.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/davey-byrne-released-from-hospital-after-breaking-eye-socket-31356502.html)
how can there be a fair crowd at a behind closed door match?
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on July 08, 2015, 09:36:03 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Where did you read it?
All reports i can find seem to reference the EH
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/davey-byrne-released-from-hospital-after-breaking-eye-socket-31356502.html (http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/davey-byrne-released-from-hospital-after-breaking-eye-socket-31356502.html)
Sorry, just realised.
The bolded bit above does not appear in the linked Herald report (or it has subsequently been edited) and a google search of the text only returns 2 hits, both from gaaboard
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
There seems to be an assumption that the Dubs should be allowed to do as they please before during and after games and everyone should lay rose petals at their feet
What happened? It's certainly being portrayed as if there is one innocent party here, and one aggressor. If it was as described in the media, it's an absolute disgrace.
You seem like a man of the world az - how likely is it that there was an inexplicable premeditated assault before throw in in an intercounty challenge match? What's in the media is causing a whole lot of bemusement among those who were at the game - which I was not - and there was a fair crowd at it I believe.
That's more or less what I was saying in my previous post. If there was a fair crowd, how come a counter report is not out there?
With due process and fairness to all involved in mind, who would contemplate propagating hearsay and a biased version of events at this point? We'll leave that to the dubs sure. The conjecture on the character of the Armagh team and management based on that tells it's own story about the rights and wrongs of that approach.
There was an inter county referee handling what was an official challenge match so i'm sure the usual appraisal will ensue.
am i right in saying that all these challenge matches have to have official referees and reports will have to be made.
Quote from: SimonSays on July 08, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
am i right in saying that all these challenge matches have to have official referees and reports will have to be made.
Yes, even at club level that is the case
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
Quote from: Estimator on July 08, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Just read this report on the incident
Dublin footballer, Davy Byrne, is recovering having suffering serious facial injuries in a challenge match against Armagh last week.
It is understood that Byrne went to shake hands with his marker, who subsequently pulled Byrne's jersey over his head and landed several blows to the head.
Byrne is believed to have suffered a broken jaw,nose and fractured his eye socket.
He is expected to have no part to play in this Sunday's Leinster Final against Westmeath as a result.
Where did you read it?
https://beanbagsports.com/#post/18834
Beanbagsports sounds legit lol
If it's good enough for 'Beanbagsports', it's good enough for me.
Surely somebody on here was at the match?
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the Armagh lads did do something to lay down a marker but look we've no proof.
How did the game go anyway?
Quote from: screenexile on July 08, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Surely somebody on here was at the match?
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the Armagh lads did do something to lay down a marker but look we've no proof.
How did the game go anyway?
In fairness a broken jaw, nose and eye socket would be more than laying down a marker! All hell must have broken loose if this really happened as described.
The original report of the Armagh player just attacking the Dub was in the herald?
No other comments from the Dublin county board or managment about this?
I think everyone can tell that the story in the papers is a pack of lies.
Don't believe all you hear. This match was played 6 days ago and this has suddenly come into the public domain 3 days before an Armagh match. More character assassination on the Armagh team. If the injuries are exactly as stated then its unfortunate and cannot be condoned but until anyone confirms exactly what happened it is all mere speculation to jump to conclusions.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 08, 2015, 10:08:02 AM
Don't believe all you hear. This match was played 6 days ago and this has suddenly come into the public domain 3 days before an Armagh match.
It's been in the public domain since last weekend
Did anyone here actually witness it? It's a bad doing whatever way you look at.
Hard to imagine those kind of injuries being picked up in a genuine tackle.
Quote from: screenexile on July 08, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Surely somebody on here was at the match?
It wouldn't surprise me if one of the Armagh lads did do something to lay down a marker but look we've no proof.
How did the game go anyway?
Apparently Dublin won by 3. A few Armagh men play club football in Dublin with one already having his name plastered on the official county board forum ::)
http://www.hoganstand.com/Dublin/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=240663 ....all very strange
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
Were you at the game? I doubt it as you don't even know who was in the row. The fact that there will be no sanctions shows 2 things. No one saw it or is at minimum prepared to say anything and secondly the Dublin CB do not want to open a hornets nest by pushing it as they know themselves that Byrne is not whiter than white here.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
McGeeney isnt involved in MMA, he's involved in brazilian jiu jitsu, which is grappling and not striking.
Quote from: SimonSays on July 08, 2015, 09:36:32 AM
how can there be a fair crowd at a behind closed door match?
Did you never see the Dublin backroom team?
"Before Throw-In" could mean it happened in the car park.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
Football is nowhere near as violent as it once was. You can't risk striking today due to potential suspensions and legal proceedings. I wonder if Colm O'Rourke would be pleased to hear about this lad's injury after he was moaning about the way players don't hit each other anymore earlier on in the year.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
Ridiculous comments, you haven't a clue what happened so why present a story which pretends that you do. And do you honestly think McGeeney sent out a player to committ GBH on an opponent simply because he is involved in Brazilian jiu jitsu?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
what high level in MMA is McGeeney involved in? Which player was it?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 10:47:00 AM
Interesting times................................regardless of sledging and verbals, the violence perpetrated on the day is sickening, its no coincidence that Mc Geeney is highly involved in mma, and the guy from armagh involved in the scuffle is also involved in mma at a high level, thug of the highest order and raises questions over how mcgeeney conducts business and the message he sends to his players
Squire you r full sh1te. WTF had McGeeney got to do with this, what people don't know they just make up. Kieran McGeeney played the game hard but fair and I know he wouldn't send any player out to do that so wind your neck in. As stated above no one can say for sure what really happened and the thing that I can't get my head around is the high profile (especially Dublin games) the game and there is no mention of what happened from anyone that was at the game. If what happened is as people say the guilty culprit would be arrested for it never mind suspended and i'm also sure if that happened to any player in a game I was in there would have been a 30 man brawl afterwards but no mention of that. Can u imagine one of your team mates getting his jersey pulled over his head and then punched at least 3 times and no reaction from his team mates...wise up.
Given that no one on this forum witnessed what happened and the herald report seems to be not backed up by any official statement from either camp, can we all agree on a couple of things
1. Any incident that led to a guy having an eye socket fractured off the ball is serious and deserves investigation, even if the guy receiving the damage is from Dublin.
2. Since we cannot name the other party to the incident, ie the alleged attacker, can we not extend some courtesy to the injured party by not speculating whether where he comes from means that he in some way contributed or deserved the attack?
3. The suggestion that Kieran McGeeny in any way is training a team to use MMA techniques during a GAA match, not only borders on the insane, it is also skirting up to libel. People need to be careful.
4. Given the severity of the injuries involved, any failure to investigate and make public the findings would not only leave a stain on Armagh and Dublin GAA boards, as well as the GAA itself.
QuoteThe suggestion that Kieran McGeeny in any way is training a team to use MMA techniques during a GAA match, not only borders on the insane, it is also skirting up to libel. People need to be careful.
He actually does but strictly as means to get back on your feet if you find yourself on the ground.
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual verbals, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual anti Northern stuff, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
Do us a favour and shut up. ::)
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 08, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual anti Northern stuff, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
Do us a favour and shut up. ::)
It's more plausible than the original report
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
QuoteThe suggestion that Kieran McGeeny in any way is training a team to use MMA techniques during a GAA match, not only borders on the insane, it is also skirting up to libel. People need to be careful.
He actually does but strictly as means to get back on your feet if you find yourself on the ground.
There's a few other little things included in that. It's not just getting back to your feet but players have been shown moves to pin their opponent if they both fall to the ground. They get up quickly and hold their opponent down by placing their knee across their chest, this locks one of the opponents arms under the knee also. From here the player can chose a few options. 1. Leave it that and both players get up. 2. Place one of their hands around the opponents neck. 3. Throw a few digs into the opponents face.
It's not the most technical explanation of things but you see what I'm saying.
Davy Byrne has already been named, which makes comments like Teo/Don't Matters actionable, if not against a brave keyboard warrior like himself with his multiple identities, then against the board itself.
The amount of stupid trolling on this board is beyond belief.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 08, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual anti Northern stuff, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
Do us a favour and shut up. ::)
This is most likely what happened, why else the silence from the Dublin side? Even the herald had to change their story.
Quote from: easytiger95 on July 08, 2015, 03:02:50 PM
Davy Byrne has already been named, which makes comments like Teo/Don't Matters actionable, if not against a brave keyboard warrior like himself with his multiple identities, then against the board itself.
The amount of stupid trolling on this board is beyond belief.
What's actionable about it? I've presented my theory, it seems to be backed up by behaviour from the Dublin side.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 08, 2015, 02:57:49 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 08, 2015, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual anti Northern stuff, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
Do us a favour and shut up. ::)
It's more plausible than the original report
Right then, let's all sit around making up theories and defaming players already named in the media.
Nobody on this forum knows whether Davy Byrne said anything. Why then would anybody think it was okay to write that he did? Ridiculous.
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that verbals were said. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 08, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
QuoteThe suggestion that Kieran McGeeny in any way is training a team to use MMA techniques during a GAA match, not only borders on the insane, it is also skirting up to libel. People need to be careful.
He actually does but strictly as means to get back on your feet if you find yourself on the ground.
Apologies
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that anti Northern stuff was said or something similar. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
No, but you have no idea what he said, did, didn't do or didn't say. So you shouldn't be 'theorising' with a named player on a forum like this.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 03:17:28 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that anti Northern stuff was said or something similar. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
No, but you have no idea what he said, did, didn't do or didn't say. So you shouldn't be 'theorising' with a named player on a forum like this.
Right, I've edited to say verbals instead.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that verbals were said. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
Do you get punched often?
Heard a completely different version of events that what is being alluded to here. Regardless, those speculating on what who said/did to what need a good toeing.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that verbals were said. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
Do you get punched often?
Not often enough by the look of things!!
Strange how the woman who posted that online video about domestic violence yesterday gets such wide praise but the most important thing as far as some GAA people are concerned is to keep the identity of the offending Armagh player a secret at all costs.
Do we know for definite that it is an Armagh player who attacked Davey Byrne?
Quote from: Feckitt on July 08, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
Do we know for definite that it is an Armagh player who attacked Davey Byrne?
He might have done it to himself for all we know. . . they said it happened before the game so maybe it was his Missus gave him a few boxes before he left the house!!
Quote from: Sidney on July 08, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Strange how the woman who posted that online video about domestic violence yesterday gets such wide praise but the most important thing as far as some GAA people are concerned is to keep the identity of the offending Armagh player a secret at all costs.
Not a fair comparison. Neither Dublin nor Armagh have made any statement about this. It has leaked out through the Herald. There's not any detail about who started it, what the circumstances were or anything. And today the GAA are apparently saying they are *not* launching an investigation which is very strange.
Was the player you lot are trying to frame for this even on the field of play as I've heard his name mentioned and as far as I was concerned the fella is an injury doubt for Sunday and he didn't play in last Championship game so doubt he even lined out against the Dubs
Quote from: Jinxy on July 08, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Players don't go around punching others for no reason. My theory is that verbals were said. Do people really believe an Armagh player just started throwing punches unprovoked?
Do you get punched often?
Never because I don't participate in any verbals or unsportsmanlike behaviour. I shake my opponents hand, never say a word, score 1-5 or 6 off him, shake his hand when the games over and then make my way off the pitch delighted with my days work.
I wonder does Jamie Bryson know what happened.
i heard that there was a shootout before the game the armagh boys were behind one dugout and the dubs behind the other a dublin lad said cover me , made a run for behind the goals and tripped and hit his head off the post....probably this never happened but also alot of what is said on here also did not happen.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 08, 2015, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: Sidney on July 08, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Strange how the woman who posted that online video about domestic violence yesterday gets such wide praise but the most important thing as far as some GAA people are concerned is to keep the identity of the offending Armagh player a secret at all costs.
Not a fair comparison. Neither Dublin nor Armagh have made any statement about this. It has leaked out through the Herald. There's not any detail about who started it, what the circumstances were or anything. And today the GAA are apparently saying they are *not* launching an investigation which is very strange.
The Gardai apparently didn't want to know about the incident with the woman, so I'd think it's quite a fair comparison. A man was named in the media (or at least the information released made it extremely easy to find out his name) and this was widely praised.
Quote from: illdecide on July 08, 2015, 04:39:34 PM
Was the player you lot are trying to frame for this even on the field of play as I've heard his name mentioned and as far as I was concerned the fella is an injury doubt for Sunday and he didn't play in last Championship game so doubt he even lined out against the Dubs
If you mean McKeever, his is not the name I've read in connection with it.
Quote from: Sidney on July 08, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Strange how the woman who posted that online video about domestic violence yesterday gets such wide praise but the most important thing as far as some GAA people are concerned is to keep the identity of the offending Armagh player a secret at all costs.
Thats some media play if ever there was one
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 08, 2015, 05:49:23 PM
Quote from: Sidney on July 08, 2015, 04:27:03 PM
Strange how the woman who posted that online video about domestic violence yesterday gets such wide praise but the most important thing as far as some GAA people are concerned is to keep the identity of the offending Armagh player a secret at all costs.
Thats some media play if ever there was one
What do you mean?
didn't realise there was a separte thread. On the Galway v Armagh thread there is more of this idea that "it takes 2 to tango" etc. As if that reduces the guilt of the player that did this.
What could have happened that would alter the fact that those injuries could only have been incurred via serious assault?
OK there could be more than one guilty party but there definitely must be at least one. Time for the truth.
I can't think of any other sport that would gloss over this or hush it up. We should be wetting the bench mark not the scum line on these things.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual verbals, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
A player was left with a broken jaw, a broken nose & a fractured eye socket & you seem to think that sorting out verbals should be the main priority here? Jeez, I love what passes for logic in your world. ::)
Quote from: Beffs on July 08, 2015, 10:54:19 PM
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 08, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Most of us can tell what happened here. The lad from Ballymun started it with the usual verbals, the Armagh player hit a few digs and then there was a bit of a scurmish. It's unfortunate that it has resulted in nasty injuries but we need to sort out the mouthing in the game.
A player was left with a broken jaw, a broken nose & a fractured eye socket & you seem to think that sorting out verbals should be the main priority here? Jeez, I love what passes for logic in your world. ::)
I do not think anyone is condoning the inflicting of injury on another player. But verbals have to be dealt with too. Suggesting it doesn't is ignoring the effect that this bullying has on some people. We do not know if there were verbals in this case but to flippantly ignore the effect verbals can have shows a lack of understanding of the effect they can have on the mental health of a vulnerable person.
Well for now, no one even knows that verbals WERE a part of the problem. That is all makey-uppy conjecture on the part of certain posters.
What we DO know, is that a lad spent two nights in hospital, with a broken jaw, a broken nose and and fractured eye socket. What about the effect of those on ANY ONE, never mind just a vulnerable person, with mental health issues?
Verbals, somebody said some thing to you on a Saturday night out and you give him a thumping like Byrne seems to have got, that damage cant be done by 1 punch, you be arrested and charged with assault. So i cant see how you can defend a player (I unlike some don't know who he is) who carried out this scale of attack, I played 15yrs, seen plenty of fights in the early 90`s but sure as hell never seen seen damage like this, and in a friendly? seriously.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2015, 02:36:41 AM
Verbals, somebody said some thing to you on a Saturday night out and you give him a thumping like Byrne seems to have got, that damage cant be done by 1 punch, you be arrested and charged with assault. So i cant see how you can defend a player (I unlike some don't know who he is) who carried out this scale of attack, I played 15yrs, seen plenty of fights in the early 90`s but sure as hell never seen seen damage like this, and in a friendly? seriously.
I have yet to see anyone defend the actions of the player who allegedly threw the punch. For the record I do not know the name either. All I was saying is that verbals are wrong and sometimes dangerous. Unlike some I do not know what happened either. For all I know two people may have thrown punches and one punch was stronger than the other. I would say it is unlikely that anyone on this forum saw what happened.
For the avoidance of doubt I am not accusing the Dublin player of anything. I am just pointing out that in this case speculation is irrelevant as people do not know what happened and in all cases the GAA should try and counter verbals as well as physical violence.
It would be helpful in the midst of all this idle gossip if the two County Boards issued a statement clarifying events. This would ensure that fault on either side lies exactly where it should. It seems strange given the injuries that Dublin are saying nothing and the GAA are not taking action.
Silence from the Dublin county board, why is this? It's not like them. Maybe it's because the story the herald tried to push originally was inaccurate?
The silence is deafening here.
You'd swear the game was played on Mars.
A usually good source of mine, well connected to rakes of sports journalists, claims nobody has a clue what or what didn't happen.
Strange.
Lamha suas who remembers John Finn's jaw that broke itself as well.
Was that the '85 semi-final??
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 09, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
It would be helpful in the midst of all this idle gossip if the two County Boards issued a statement clarifying events. This would ensure that fault on either side lies exactly where it should. It seems strange given the injuries that Dublin are saying nothing and the GAA are not taking action.
I doubt county boards are going to start issuing statements to please lads on message boards!
The sweep it under the carpet mentality still prevails in GAAworld it seems.
Not a great way of encouraging people from non Traditional GAA households to have their children playing Gaelic Games.
The Catholic Church had a similar policy for decades.........
The question is why the Dublin county board are staying silent? I think we can all reach our conclusions on that.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 09, 2015, 10:52:10 AM
The silence is deafening here.
You'd swear the game was played on Mars.
A usually good source of mine, well connected to rakes of sports journalists, claims nobody has a clue what or what didn't happen.
Strange.
Lamha suas who remembers John Finn's jaw that broke itself as well.
Didn't something similar happen Finbar Cullen when Offaly were playing the Dubs in a challenge game?
Finbarr cullen's was at a league game , a Few teeth knocked out. I was at the game never know anything was up till the all the offaly lads players and mentors did a sweep of the Park looking for the teeth.
dont think any action was taken
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 09, 2015, 11:12:21 AM
Was that the '85 semi-final??
Yip. The drawn match.
We all know who did it too.
The attempted mitigation of the shocking damage done to Byrne by arguing about verbals is offensive. If someone says something that crosses the line, then go through the proper channels. If someone does the damage that happened Byre, before the throw-in ffs, he should be handed over to the cops and banned for a decade. He has no place in our games.
sc**bag. Oops, that might be considered verbals.
This thread is a joke and some normally sensible posters are letting themselves down.
Why would either county board make a statement? Because an internet forum demands it?
Maybe there's silence because nobody knows what happened for sure. Very recently there was a case of a county making accusations in the media and releasing statements that ended up with everyone outside the high court in Belfast.
1 There was a challenge match
2 Some players got injured
3 One player's injuries and a host of non facts were speculated upon in a Dublin newspaper.
4 The possible disciplinary outcomes have also been speculated upon in other media outlets
1 & 2 definitely occurred
3 & 4 are not substantiated anywhere officially that would encourage me to repeat them over the course of normal conversation
From that point all and sundry have propagated every theory imaginable on this and other discussion forums calling into question, in no particular order, the integrity of: Dublin County Board, Armagh County Board, Jim Gavin, Kieran McGeeney, a specific Armagh player (who wasn't even playing), all Dublin Players, all Armagh players, the referee and the GAA as an organisation.
Quote from: Teo Lurley on July 09, 2015, 11:26:07 AM
The question is why the Dublin county board are staying silent? I think we can all reach our conclusions on that.
Exactly.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 09, 2015, 11:55:13 AM
This thread is a joke and some normally sensible posters are letting themselves down.
Why would either county board make a statement? Because an internet forum demands it?
Maybe there's silence because nobody knows what happened for sure. Very recently there was a case of a county making accusations in the media and releasing statements that ended up with everyone outside the high court in Belfast.
1 There was a challenge match
2 Some players got injured
3 One player's injuries and a host of non facts were speculated upon in a Dublin newspaper.
4 The possible disciplinary outcomes have also been speculated upon in other media outlets
1 & 2 definitely occurred
3 & 4 are not substantiated anywhere officially that would encourage me to repeat them over the course of normal conversation
From that point all and sundry have propagated every theory imaginable on this and other discussion forums calling into question, in no particular order, the integrity of: Dublin County Board, Armagh County Board, Jim Gavin, Kieran McGeeney, a specific Armagh player (who wasn't even playing), all Dublin Players, all Armagh players, the referee and the GAA as an organisation.
The deafening silence is precisely the cause of the speculation.
Well said DuffleKing
Quote from: muppet on July 09, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
The deafening silence is precisely the cause of the speculation.
Well said Muppet.
It reminds me abit of McCartan breaking the Jaw of a wicklow player (He was a student Garda) in a friendly years ago, It was all hush hush on what exactly had happened. Turns out legal action was been taken and the circumstances of what happend was deliberately vague, It went to court, cant remember how that ended up as it was back mid 90`s
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 09, 2015, 12:42:59 PM
It reminds me abit of McCartan breaking the Jaw of a wicklow player (He was a student Garda) in a friendly years ago, It was all hush hush on what exactly had happened. Turns out legal action was been taken and the circumstances of what happend was deliberately vague, It went to court, cant remember how that ended up as it was back mid 90`s
That was a Westmeath player, Kenny Larkin. McCartan made a 10k donation to charity to avoid a criminal conviction.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gaa-star-to-make-donation-after-player-assault-177088.html (http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gaa-star-to-make-donation-after-player-assault-177088.html)
I remember reading this story a few weeks back and remember thinking McGeeney must have a severe lack of cop.
http://www.the42.ie/kieran-mcgeeney-interview-june-2015-2167477-Jun2015/
This story was clearly a blatant attempt at PR spin to try and kill the MMA/Gym monkies talk but all it did was reinforce the point - in politics there is a saying "if you're explaining, you're losing" - the headline in particular is just awe-inspiringly bad in terms of offering a hostage to fortune imo. I remember thinking at the time he better be damm sure that Armagh keep their noses clean for a good while.
Since then he's also had this story.
http://www.the42.ie/mcgeeney-on-mcgregor-2203651-Jul2015/
Obviously McGeeney is free to do and think what he wants, but as an intercounty manager it's stupid in the extreme, to be constantly referencing this stuff and it's something that only has downside for the Armagh team, a team who have had issues with discipline recently.
If he was looking for something to engage in to purposely annoy/wind up GAA refs/officials he couldn't have done worse.
Wooly just interviewed Jim Gavin about the incident on Off the Ball on Newstalk.
Having said the two players involved had a "frank discussion" about the incident (I got the impression that this discussion happened int he last few days) it's now a case of 'move on, nothing to see here'.
Hmmmm :-\
Awful interview by Gavin. James Horan looking for an investigation by the gaa, hoping for player bans the cap wearing bandit.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 09, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
Wooly just interviewed Jim Gavin about the incident on Off the Ball on Newstalk.
Having said the two players involved had a "frank discussion" about the incident (I got the impression that this discussion happened int he last few days) it's now a case of 'move on, nothing to see here'.
Hmmmm :-\
Armagh might get away with the typically shameful traditional GAA omerta for this incident but the odds are the next Armagh player to step out of line will be treated that bit more severely have notched up.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 09, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 09, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
Wooly just interviewed Jim Gavin about the incident on Off the Ball on Newstalk.
Having said the two players involved had a "frank discussion" about the incident (I got the impression that this discussion happened int he last few days) it's now a case of 'move on, nothing to see here'.
Hmmmm :-\
Armagh might get away with the typically shameful traditional GAA omerta for this incident but the odds are the next Armagh player to step out of line will be treated that bit more severely have notched up.
You haven't a clue what happened, for all we know the Dublin lad threw the first punch and got one back which broke his nose...this has all be blown up ,,,like where did the eye socket thing come from which has been cleared up as not true. There's no point you talking crap there when you are in no position to clarify what went on. Dublin are happy this incident is cleared up and that speakes volumes to me .....
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/byrne-broke-nose-not-eye-socket-says-gavin-685804.html
John Finn ii then it is.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 09, 2015, 08:03:01 PM
I remember reading this story a few weeks back and remember thinking McGeeney must have a severe lack of cop.
http://www.the42.ie/kieran-mcgeeney-interview-june-2015-2167477-Jun2015/
This story was clearly a blatant attempt at PR spin to try and kill the MMA/Gym monkies talk but all it did was reinforce the point - in politics there is a saying "if you're explaining, you're losing" - the headline in particular is just awe-inspiringly bad in terms of offering a hostage to fortune imo. I remember thinking at the time he better be damm sure that Armagh keep their noses clean for a good while.
Since then he's also had this story.
http://www.the42.ie/mcgeeney-on-mcgregor-2203651-Jul2015/
Obviously McGeeney is free to do and think what he wants, but as an intercounty manager it's stupid in the extreme, to be constantly referencing this stuff and it's something that only has downside for the Armagh team, a team who have had issues with discipline recently.
If he was looking for something to engage in to purposely annoy/wind up GAA refs/officials he couldn't have done worse.
That post was one of the daftest I've ever read on here. The majority of requires no comment.
However, I'm intrigued by your insinuation that referees take a predisposition towards certain teams while officiating games. I'm astonished that anyone would believe referees adjudicate in any way other than with the strictest regard for balance and fair play.
Further, I'm astounded by the accusation that Association officials would also preload their decision making based on external influences.
Have you evidence or examples of either?
https://m.soundcloud.com/offtheball/wooly-presses-jim-gavin-on-davey-byrne-incident (https://m.soundcloud.com/offtheball/wooly-presses-jim-gavin-on-davey-byrne-incident)
Quote from: SimonSays on July 09, 2015, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 09, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 09, 2015, 08:23:24 PM
Wooly just interviewed Jim Gavin about the incident on Off the Ball on Newstalk.
Having said the two players involved had a "frank discussion" about the incident (I got the impression that this discussion happened int he last few days) it's now a case of 'move on, nothing to see here'.
Hmmmm :-\
Armagh might get away with the typically shameful traditional GAA omerta for this incident but the odds are the next Armagh player to step out of line will be treated that bit more severely have notched up.
You haven't a clue what happened, for all we know the Dublin lad threw the first punch and got one back which broke his nose...this has all be blown up ,,,like where did the eye socket thing come from which has been cleared up as not true. There's no point you talking crap there when you are in no position to clarify what went on. Dublin are happy this incident is cleared up and that speakes volumes to me .....
There is another reason why they haven't commented as well but I'll leave you to join the dots on that. No members of Mensa on this thread anyway (bar myself obviously)
Fully focused on the weekend. The reality is challenge games are the only time Dublin will be playing Armagh for the forseeable future as both teams operate in different hemispheres these days.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 09, 2015, 11:04:51 PM
https://m.soundcloud.com/offtheball/wooly-presses-jim-gavin-on-davey-byrne-incident (https://m.soundcloud.com/offtheball/wooly-presses-jim-gavin-on-davey-byrne-incident)
Wooly as objective as ever
Good interview by both there. Yet if anything it raises more suspicions that this incident is being swept under the carpet. Gavin did fine but a lot of 'frank discussion' and a 'both players wanting to get their intercounty careers back on track' repeatedly used tells a lot. In fairness to him he could only do a good damage - limitation rear-guard action type of job. Stuff politicians do when they are under the cosh. Neither county needs this. Gavin wasn t winging it but he sounded hesitant and repeated the safe sound-bites a few times. I doubt that this will go away but it might for now. Neither county needs this.
CP seemingly turning a blind eye is not good either. Just because its a challenge game doesn t mean it shouldn t get the scrutiny incidents that take the fancy of the panellists on the SG. I doubt if the referee is a nobody either. And the game was videoed. Of course I realise the incident may not have been on the video.
It would do the power of good for the SG lads to tackle this issue on their coverage on Sunday. Probably the only way it won't be successfully ignored and swept under the carpet by the counties or the GAA.
These sorts of things go way beyond two IC teams' seasons or even the two players involved - it highlights accepted practices in the GAA that are at odds with the outside world. The reaction to it by the teams and the GAA is the most jarring aspect.
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2015, 12:41:02 AM
It would do the power of good for the SG lads to tackle this issue on their coverage on Sunday. Probably the only way it won't be successfully ignored and swept under the carpet by the counties or the GAA.
These sorts of things go way beyond two IC teams' seasons or even the two players involved - it highlights accepted practices in the GAA that are at odds with the outside world. The reaction to it by the teams and the GAA is the most jarring aspect.
This is not an issue for the SG imo.
Fair play to Gavin for agreeing to do that interview. I always though he was smug but I thought he came across as being vulnerable and limited there. Not sure that interview will make things go away. God help us if the SG is the watchdog of discipline in our games.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 01:32:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2015, 12:41:02 AM
It would do the power of good for the SG lads to tackle this issue on their coverage on Sunday. Probably the only way it won't be successfully ignored and swept under the carpet by the counties or the GAA.
These sorts of things go way beyond two IC teams' seasons or even the two players involved - it highlights accepted practices in the GAA that are at odds with the outside world. The reaction to it by the teams and the GAA is the most jarring aspect.
This is not an issue for the SG imo.
Fair play to Gavin for agreeing to do that interview. I always though he was smug but I thought he came across as being vulnerable and limited there. Not sure that interview will make things go away. God help us if the SG is the watchdog of discipline in our games.
It is now that it's in the process of being ignored. This whole thing will be quietly put away unless the issue gets a jolt. Like it or not when something gets highlighted on RTE the GAA wakes up. This is an absolutely perfect way for that power to be used for good rather than dubious reasons. Hopefully Brolly's on the panel..
Can't believe nobody has mentioned this yet.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=240706 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=240706)
Jamie Clarke says there is no place on a football field for sledging or sectarian abuse.
Speaking as an ambassador at the launch of the GPA's Fair Play Campaign, the Armagh ace points out that he has been targetted both inside and outside Ulster:
"It's certainly become a strategy of certain teams, absolutely," the Crossmaglen attacker is quoted in The Irish Times. "I would say more so in Ulster, yes, although from an Armagh perspective, there are times when you are playing southern teams, and you stupidly have got sectarian abuse. Even though it doesn't make sense when you are playing Gaelic football.
"Ultimately, teams will do whatever it takes to win. The fair play campaign is something we need to promote more. There has been a lot of focus on cynicism and verbal abuse over this summer. There is not a game that goes by that you don't hear about it.
"We all give it everything, we all want to win and we all want that winning mentality. But ultimately the GAA itself and everything around it is based on respect, on and off the field. Although we are amateur, it has grown professionally and it is heading in that direction. And it us up to the players to lead by example."
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
I agree - if two teams got in a brawl in an All Ireland Final and then had a "frank discussion" and made up, would the ref agree not to send anybody off??
Who was the referee? Surely the referee's chief has to come down hard on him, at least a suspension for the rest of the year. He was the independent ajudicator there, I hope he finds his spine and comes forward. If you were a theory conspiracist you'd swear that the GAA having invested so much in their Apple cart that they would be loathe to upset it. Can see Newstalk losing rights if they persist with investigating this.
Only two options make sense to me here:
1. Byrne either started or was throwing shapes as well and came out a lot worse and they genuinely just want to move on. Clearly the ref would have had to have acquiesced considerably for this not to have made his report. Is the ref who took charge of this game known within the public domain? Can he be named?
2. Byrne is pursuing legal action and all parties are restricted in their reporting.
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 10, 2015, 09:57:00 AM
Only two options make sense to me here:
1. Byrne either started or was throwing shapes as well and came out a lot worse and they genuinely just want to move on. Clearly the ref would have had to have acquiesced considerably for this not to have made his report. Is the ref who took charge of this game known within the public domain? Can he be named?
2. Byrne is pursuing legal action and all parties are restricted in their reporting.
I think the third otion is that Dublin dont want this investigated as the insuing melee involved several frst team players that would also be in line for a ban if the GAA where to review the video, Im sure the same could be said for Armagh.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 10, 2015, 10:10:04 AM
I think the third otion is that Dublin dont want this investigated as the insuing melee involved several frst team players that would also be in line for a ban if the GAA where to review the video, Im sure the same could be said for Armagh.
THIS
I'm assuming the 'melee' that followed is accepted as fact? - I'm basing this on the report on off the ball last night.
I'd say there isn't a team in the country that wouldn't be dealing with this in the same way.
Still doesn't make it right though.
Can the gaa powers that be just request a copy of the video? I know dublin and armagh could refuse to give it to them or lose the tape! or whatever but the GAA need to be seen to be doing something about this.
The Referee involved here is an inter county referee who is on the panel of refs for the championship.-top16-. He is Leinster based.
Eugene McGee talking about this on RTÉRadio 1 in a few mins.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
I'm from Dublin, mate.
If you think it's acceptable that an incident where somebody ends up with serious injuries as the result of an assault can be simply brushed under the carpet, well, that's your prerogative.
The GAA should be investigating this and whoever gets banned, so be it. Sweeping it under the carpet has created a Streisand effect here.
If the wider media has a dig at the GAA over this kind of culture of accepting violence, well, they'll be quite right in doing so.
According to rte.ie, the ref was "Longford's Fergal Kelly"
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
I'm from Dublin, mate.
If you think it's acceptable that an incident where somebody ends up with serious injuries as the result of an assault can be simply brushed under the carpet, well, that's your prerogative.
The GAA should be investigating this and whoever gets banned, so be it. Sweeping it under the carpet has created a Streisand effect here.
If the wider media has a dig at the GAA over this kind of culture of accepting violence, well, they'll be quite right in doing so.
On reading Jim Gavin's interview though then this has not been swept under the carpet. The two parties have talked and the matter has been sorted out between them. People were quick to jump on the back of the Armagh lad here when the first report came out and were making comparisons with the situation if this happened on the street then he would be facing GBH etc. No one here knows exactly what happened but I'll throw this out as a street comparison.
2 lads in a bar, one with his girlfriend. One lad says to the other, your girl is some bit of stuff I'd give her one. The other lad says what the f**k are you on about and hits him a box in the nose and breaks it. They have a mutual friends who were there and heard what the man said. The lads sort it out between themselves and one says I shouldn't have said that and the other says I shouldn't have reacted like that, neither party wants the matter to go on further as both are at fault. There can be no further investigation by the police as the injured party makes no statement to the police. The police cannot investigate a crime without a statement of complaint.
I'm not saying this is right, I'm not saying that this correlates exactly as to what happened, but lets face it if both parties in a row don't want the matter to go on any further then that is the end of that and a line should be drawn under it. The original reporting of the incident is what caused the real problem here as it exaggerated injuries excessively and whoever ran that story has questions to answer.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 10, 2015, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
I'm from Dublin, mate.
If you think it's acceptable that an incident where somebody ends up with serious injuries as the result of an assault can be simply brushed under the carpet, well, that's your prerogative.
The GAA should be investigating this and whoever gets banned, so be it. Sweeping it under the carpet has created a Streisand effect here.
If the wider media has a dig at the GAA over this kind of culture of accepting violence, well, they'll be quite right in doing so.
On reading Jim Gavin's interview though then this has not been swept under the carpet. The two parties have talked and the matter has been sorted out between them. People were quick to jump on the back of the Armagh lad here when the first report came out and were making comparisons with the situation if this happened on the street then he would be facing GBH etc. No one here knows exactly what happened but I'll throw this out as a street comparison.
2 lads in a bar, one with his girlfriend. One lad says to the other, your girl is some bit of stuff I'd give her one. The other lad says what the f**k are you on about and hits him a box in the nose and breaks it. They have a mutual friends who were there and heard what the man said. The lads sort it out between themselves and one says I shouldn't have said that and the other says I shouldn't have reacted like that, neither party wants the matter to go on further as both are at fault. There can be no further investigation by the police as the injured party makes no statement to the police. The police cannot investigate a crime without a statement of complaint.
I'm not saying this is right, I'm not saying that this correlates exactly as to what happened, but lets face it if both parties in a row don't want the matter to go on any further then that is the end of that and a line should be drawn under it. The original reporting of the incident is what caused the real problem here as it exaggerated injuries excessively and whoever ran that story has questions to answer.
Exactly, whoever reported the original incident by saying that the fellow was in hospital for 2 nights with nothing more than a broken nose is guilty of inaccurate and misleading reporting. Without trying to downplay the incident he won't be the first man to receive a broken nose on the field of play and it is hardly so serious of an injury than to warrant such a level of exaggerated reporting. I suspect if it hadn't been Dublin involved that it wouldn't have even got near the newspapers. In any case if it isn't in the referees report and both players want to put it behind them there is diddly squat anyone else can do even though some people would like to see people hung drawn and quartered.
According to McGee, who is on the radio now, the referee did not submit a report as is not uncommon for "friendly games".
In a challenge game where there is a bad injury resulting in a claim to Gaa insurance scheme, does the ref fill out a report to satisfy the Gaa scheme administrators ?.
Who does the ref's report be submitted to where a challenge match is properly arranged through the official channels ?.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 09, 2015, 11:55:13 AM
This thread is a joke and some normally sensible posters are letting themselves down.
Why would either county board make a statement? Because an internet forum demands it?
Maybe there's silence because nobody knows what happened for sure. Very recently there was a case of a county making accusations in the media and releasing statements that ended up with everyone outside the high court in Belfast.
1 There was a challenge match
2 Some players got injured
3 One player's injuries and a host of non facts were speculated upon in a Dublin newspaper.
4 The possible disciplinary outcomes have also been speculated upon in other media outlets
1 & 2 definitely occurred
3 & 4 are not substantiated anywhere officially that would encourage me to repeat them over the course of normal conversation
From that point all and sundry have propagated every theory imaginable on this and other discussion forums calling into question, in no particular order, the integrity of: Dublin County Board, Armagh County Board, Jim Gavin, Kieran McGeeney, a specific Armagh player (who wasn't even playing), all Dublin Players, all Armagh players, the referee and the GAA as an organisation.
No not because a message board demands it, but because it is the correct thing to do given the outrageous assumptions on all media.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 10, 2015, 09:01:41 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
I agree - if two teams got in a brawl in an All Ireland Final and then had a "frank discussion" and made up, would the ref agree not to send anybody off??
Or if there was a brawl in an All Ireland Semi final for example?
Not a word about the carry on in the Kerry / Mayo replay last year.
The up in arms crew are only go into overdrive when it suits them.
Oh yeah, I forgot, one player ended up with a broken nose from that ::)
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 10, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot, one player ended up with a broken nose from that ::)
O so its not the punching and kicking that matters - its the resultant damage?
Good one
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 10, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 10, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot, one player ended up with a broken nose from that ::)
O so its not the punching and kicking that matters - its the resultant damage?
Good one
I think you're confusing punching and kicking with pushing and posturing. COC got a red for his kick.
You're basically saying that the rules don't apply in challenge games?? A player shouldn't be banned for punching another player and breaking his nose?? And any otehr players for whatever their parts in it were?
Armagh were harshly treated last year when McKeever got a 1 match ban for his part in the schmozzle against Cavan but it sounds like there's a case to answer in this instance
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 09, 2015, 08:03:01 PM
I remember reading this story a few weeks back and remember thinking McGeeney must have a severe lack of cop.
http://www.the42.ie/kieran-mcgeeney-interview-june-2015-2167477-Jun2015/
This story was clearly a blatant attempt at PR spin to try and kill the MMA/Gym monkies talk but all it did was reinforce the point - in politics there is a saying "if you're explaining, you're losing" - the headline in particular is just awe-inspiringly bad in terms of offering a hostage to fortune imo. I remember thinking at the time he better be damm sure that Armagh keep their noses clean for a good while.
Since then he's also had this story.
http://www.the42.ie/mcgeeney-on-mcgregor-2203651-Jul2015/
Obviously McGeeney is free to do and think what he wants, but as an intercounty manager it's stupid in the extreme, to be constantly referencing this stuff and it's something that only has downside for the Armagh team, a team who have had issues with discipline recently.
If he was looking for something to engage in to purposely annoy/wind up GAA refs/officials he couldn't have done worse.
I actually think that's a good interview
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Some facts:
1. a player got a broken nose
2. No-one is currently facing any disciplinary procedures arising from the game
Do you agree that this should at least be investigated?
Quote from: westbound on July 10, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Some facts:
1. a player got a broken nose
2. No-one is currently facing any disciplinary procedures arising from the game
Do you agree that this should at least be investigated?
how's this thread going to investigate or even comment when nobody prepared to say who's involved. You can be sure a few quid has probably changed hands and all swept under the carpet. It definitely won't come out while Armagh and Dublin are stil in the championship because suspensions would be handed out. So it's a cover up job for the moment.
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
Quote from: westbound on July 10, 2015, 02:26:48 PM
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Some facts:
1. a player got a broken nose
2. No-one is currently facing any disciplinary procedures arising from the game
Do you agree that this should at least be investigated?
how's this thread going to investigate or even comment when nobody prepared to say who's involved. You can be sure a few quid has probably changed hands and all swept under the carpet. It definitely won't come out while Armagh and Dublin are stil in the championship because suspensions would be handed out. So it's a cover up job for the moment.
I never suggested for one second that this thread was going to investigate anything. I asked do you agree that it should be investigated. (Perhaps I should have included the words "by the GAA")
Do you honestly think the second part in bold is true?
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
[. So it's a cover up job for the moment.
Like Fr Brendan Smyth and all them lads.........
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Welcome to the board myra. If endless pages of lads talking sh*te about things they know little about isn't your thing, then you might be in the wrong place ;D
Eugene McGee on de radio
http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!detail=&type=doPlayThis&rii=0%3A20810978%3A0%3A%3A
Well according to Gavin there, broken Nose, black eye, 10 head stitches in that interview but nothing to see lol, Hows that work against the Monaghan lad who got 2yrs reduced from 4yrs for steroids. Which case brings blackens the GAA more.
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PMJesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 03:31:36 PMYou can be sure a few quid has probably changed hands and all swept under the carpet.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 10, 2015, 04:53:12 PM
Quote from: Myra mains on July 10, 2015, 01:24:49 PM
Jesus lads but ye talk some shite here. 9 pages of crap and not 1 donkey on the thread know what went on. Why assume ? Get the facts or close the f**king thread!
Welcome to the board myra. If endless pages of lads talking sh*te about things they know little about isn't your thing, then you might be in the wrong place ;D
He is away playing golf with Seanie Johnston today
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Parkinson was correct to pursue his line of questioning. Gavin must have been confident of managing the interview when he agreed to it but it backfired a bit I think and instead of putting the matter to bed it seemed to open the lid on the worm can a bit more.
If any players did anything to warrant a ban in this match then they need to be banned.
Also behind closed door matches need to be looked at as well because if this one sets a precedent of fellas getting away with whaling away behind closed doors with no fear of repercussions.
I m sure these games are nice little earners for refs as well who won t want to piss off managers by reporting incidents. These refs are invited and not appointed. Far too cosy and far too much omerta. Train in secret by all means but secret challenges need to be looked at imo.
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Parkinson was correct to pursue his line of questioning. Gavin must have been confident of managing the interview when he agreed to it but it backfired a bit I think and instead of putting the matter to bed it seemed to open the lid on the worm can a bit more.
If any players did anything to warrant a ban in this match then they need to be banned.
Also behind closed door matches need to be looked at as well because if this one sets a precedent of fellas getting away with whaling away behind closed doors with no fear of repercussions.
I m sure these games are nice little earners for refs as well who won t want to piss off managers by reporting incidents. These refs are invited and not appointed. Far too cosy and far too much omerta. Train in secret by all means but secret challenges need to be looked at imo.
You are aware Mayo are the leading county for behind doors challenge games.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 10, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Parkinson was correct to pursue his line of questioning. Gavin must have been confident of managing the interview when he agreed to it but it backfired a bit I think and instead of putting the matter to bed it seemed to open the lid on the worm can a bit more.
If any players did anything to warrant a ban in this match then they need to be banned.
Also behind closed door matches need to be looked at as well because if this one sets a precedent of fellas getting away with whaling away behind closed doors with no fear of repercussions.
I m sure these games are nice little earners for refs as well who won t want to piss off managers by reporting incidents. These refs are invited and not appointed. Far too cosy and far too much omerta. Train in secret by all means but secret challenges need to be looked at imo.
You are aware Mayo are the leading county for behind doors challenge games.
What's the league table like Indy. Who's the loosest county on the go.
Quote from: Syferus on July 10, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 10, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Parkinson was correct to pursue his line of questioning. Gavin must have been confident of managing the interview when he agreed to it but it backfired a bit I think and instead of putting the matter to bed it seemed to open the lid on the worm can a bit more.
If any players did anything to warrant a ban in this match then they need to be banned.
Also behind closed door matches need to be looked at as well because if this one sets a precedent of fellas getting away with whaling away behind closed doors with no fear of repercussions.
I m sure these games are nice little earners for refs as well who won t want to piss off managers by reporting incidents. These refs are invited and not appointed. Far too cosy and far too much omerta. Train in secret by all means but secret challenges need to be looked at imo.
You are aware Mayo are the leading county for behind doors challenge games.
What's the league table like Indy. Who's the loosest county on the go.
No inter county side plays more behind closed doors challenge games then Mayo that's why it's gas listening to their fans spouting all sorts of innuendo without any semblance of facts whatsoever. Horan was arguably the most paranoid manager out there during his tenure.
Armagh wanted it behind closed doors. It was our B Team plus kids playing. It was mostly their full whack. So even if there was an investigation I can't see how it's a game changer for us.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 10, 2015, 08:41:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 06:54:18 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 10, 2015, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Sidney on July 10, 2015, 08:29:38 AM
Parkinson made a fool of Gavin there.
The GAA really need to get to the bottom of all this and make examples of people. The wishes of the players involved should be irrelevant.
Otherwise it's a charter for neanderthal apes.
Gavin shouldnt have gave that interview to that sneering fool parkinson.
I see your make "examples of people" is really an investigation and banning of dublin players for the championship more like !!!!!!!!!!!
Nuts and bolts are Byrne is a mouth piece and got a few slaps......................Mill up and Dublin gave it back in spades....................Move on
Parkinson was correct to pursue his line of questioning. Gavin must have been confident of managing the interview when he agreed to it but it backfired a bit I think and instead of putting the matter to bed it seemed to open the lid on the worm can a bit more.
If any players did anything to warrant a ban in this match then they need to be banned.
Also behind closed door matches need to be looked at as well because if this one sets a precedent of fellas getting away with whaling away behind closed doors with no fear of repercussions.
I m sure these games are nice little earners for refs as well who won t want to piss off managers by reporting incidents. These refs are invited and not appointed. Far too cosy and far too much omerta. Train in secret by all means but secret challenges need to be looked at imo.
You are aware Mayo are the leading county for behind doors challenge games.
I wasn t aware of that but doesn t affect my attitude to them, although I can understand why managers want to do it.
I think the referees are too easy to manipulate in these situations. They will not bite the hands feeding them and players know as well that they will get away with things in these matches. If a ref does send somebody off - and it does happen - its not reported. Players know this is the form. I ve gone to refs in the past myself to get players off. Not at the level we re talking about here but ........
I can't see how the ref can do other than submit a report on this issue.
It is difficult to see how that that report cannot either
1. result in significant punishment or
2. lead to further investigation
People in the know (the real know not heard a rumour know or read something on a message board know) need to cooperate.
We need to get these sort of incidents out of our game
Quote from: smelmoth on July 10, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
I can't see how the ref can do other than submit a report on this issue.
It is difficult to see how that that report cannot either
1. result in significant punishment or
2. lead to further investigation
People in the know (the real know not heard a rumour know or read something on a message board know) need to cooperate.
We need to get these sort of incidents out of our game
A player starts sledging, does it to the wrong guy and gets the head boxed off him. So what!. He'll keep his beak shut the next time. Happens every week up and down the country. This is only an issue because its a Dublin player. What id really like to know is what Byrne said.
Quote from: smelmoth on July 10, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
I can't see how the ref can do other than submit a report on this issue.
It is difficult to see how that that report cannot either
1. result in significant punishment or
2. lead to further investigation
People in the know (the real know not heard a rumour know or read something on a message board know) need to cooperate.
We need to get these sort of incidents out of our game
The point is that he did not submit a report, or at least did not mention anything needing investigation. That's unlikely to change now. If he didn t see anything then he didn't see anything ;). He can hardly go reporting anything now. CCCCCCCC? can t go launching an investigation without a report of an incident or complaint from a victim.
CP needs to look at challenge games. Maybe a system where referees are appointed. As things stand refs are reluctant to annoy managers because they won t be invited back if they are fussy. And I suspect that these games are nice pocket money and usually little or no pressure involved.
Anybody who doesn't think this incident warrants a proper investigation by the GAA with, presumably, resulting suspensions, is a contributor to the type of culture that leads to incidents like the Mark McGovern one. It's that simple.
Quote from: Sidney on July 11, 2015, 12:31:01 AM
Anybody who doesn't think this incident warrants a proper investigation by the GAA with, presumably, resulting suspensions, is a contributor to the type of culture that leads to incidents like the Mark McGovern one. It's that simple.
Sid
How many time have you seen Davy Byrne play for Ballymun in person? Must be close to zero?
Secondly, do you think its worth the Dubs supplying the video to GAA, that would result in the Armagh offender being suspended, and probably 3 other Dubs and 3 other Armagh lads who got involved afterwards (by all accounts the afters were just handbags, but would still result in suspensions - no first teamer Dubs involved, but nothing to be gained by getting those Dubs banned)
I've no idea whether Byrne deserved what he got in that incident, but nobody in Dublin club football was surprised when it turned out he was the Dub involved. So I 100% support that Gavin knows what's best in this incident.
Quote from: Rodman on July 10, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 10, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
I can't see how the ref can do other than submit a report on this issue.
It is difficult to see how that that report cannot either
1. result in significant punishment or
2. lead to further investigation
People in the know (the real know not heard a rumour know or read something on a message board know) need to cooperate.
We need to get these sort of incidents out of our game
A player starts sledging, does it to the wrong guy and gets the head boxed off him. So what!. He'll keep his beak shut the next time. Happens every week up and down the country. This is only an issue because its a Dublin player. What id really like to know is what Byrne said.
I'm no apologist for sledging. Bloody difficult thing to prove though.
Boxing the head of someone is unacceptable. The game cannot tolerate this stuff.
Boxing the head of someone in retaliation for sledging is unacceptable. The game cannot tolerate this stuff. If it
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Happens every week up and down the country.[/quote]
then something needs to be done
Quote from: moysider on July 10, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 10, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
I can't see how the ref can do other than submit a report on this issue.
It is difficult to see how that that report cannot either
1. result in significant punishment or
2. lead to further investigation
People in the know (the real know not heard a rumour know or read something on a message board know) need to cooperate.
We need to get these sort of incidents out of our game
The point is that he did not submit a report, or at least did not mention anything needing investigation. That's unlikely to change now. If he didn t see anything then he didn't see anything ;). He can hardly go reporting anything now. CCCCCCCC? can t go launching an investigation without a report of an incident or complaint from a victim.
CP needs to look at challenge games. Maybe a system where referees are appointed. As things stand refs are reluctant to annoy managers because they won t be invited back if they are fussy. And I suspect that these games are nice pocket money and usually little or no pressure involved.
Blink of an eye incidents can happen behind the ref's back. Any incident that lasts beyond this would be seen by the ref. Reliably informed that several players were able to join the scuffle. The ref would have been able to turn his head around in the time it took those players to join the action. Injured players needed attention. Ref in attendance. Even if he did not see the outbreak the ref was aware of the incident taking place. His report would reference thses points surely? Grounds for another party to delve deeper into the issue.
Lets be clear the 2 teams are complicit in hushing this up. There was wrong doing in both teams and serious wrong doing at that. They have closed ranks to protect themselves
Anybody who's at the sledging should be prepared and able to defend themselves when the boxing starts. If not, it's better to keep the mouth shut.
why be trained for boxing, its supposed to be a football match, too many men giving excuses here for a man getting his nose broke before a ball even throw in, had it happened to you , you be doing some crying. Easy way to sort this affair out is for croke park to request the DVD, which will likely show nothing as the camera man was probably focusing on midfield for the throw up. No video evidence comes forth, case closed and move on.
A few thoughts I've had this week regarding this incident. Just my opinions folks so we're all entitled to that.
1. I presume Dublin arranged this game to set themselves a decent challenge to play away from Croker against a Northern tough team who Gavin knew would provide a hard physical game to test his team against a defensive system that he will probably be coming up against much more from here on in.
2. Dublin away from home know that teams will put it up to them more and try to bully them and intimidate them as some see the Dubs as being a nice open football team but maybe not having too many 'hard' men bar MDMA, McMahon or O'Gara who is out injured. As a result of this Dublin have to make a stand and be seen not to be pushovers.
3. Gavin seems to paint this very whiter than white image of his team and has openly criticised other teams tactics and behaviour and seems quite smug in his views on his team play the game in the way it should be played.
4. I'm sure there are several more incidents but I can think of three times where Dublin have been involved in unsavoury very serious incidents which each time have been very quickly brushed under the carpet with minimal media attention and no big fuss made about it.
I was in Omagh yesterday & Skerries GAA club last night and the amount of Gaels who hadn't even heard about the match was unreal.
As a Tyrone lad living in Dublin I am sick to the teeth of hearing bad press about Tyrone football. Even after our under 21s won a great game if football this year to lift our spirits again the media were on our back.
My main point for posting today is not to ask what R ally happened in that game and what will be done about it. No my grievance is do you agree with me that there seems to be a very clear pattern here of Double standards?
Whether its because of the Dublin based media or as someone on here suggested, even worse refs or opposing teams being offered money to go away and be quiet just to get Dublin off the hook, I really don't know.
I live in Dublin for a long time and yes I have some anti Dublin bias, however I enjoyed seeing Dublin win Sam in 2011 as it gives the whole city a lift and there was good mood and atmosphere in the place.
Naturally enough I am saddened by my own county's demise and how so many people perceive us now thanks to people like Brolly and very anti Northern Southern media but c'est la vie.
My main question to most on here is if this incident had of happened in a 'friendly' match between Donegal and Tyrone would we have the same silence of what really happened or would there be uproar about the thuggery and sledging up there and how something has to be done to stop this cancer.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Sid
How many time have you seen Davy Byrne play for Ballymun in person? Must be close to zero?
About seven times.
Quote from: Hound on July 11, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Secondly, do you think its worth the Dubs supplying the video to GAA, that would result in the Armagh offender being suspended, and probably 3 other Dubs and 3 other Armagh lads who got involved afterwards (by all accounts the afters were just handbags, but would still result in suspensions - no first teamer Dubs involved, but nothing to be gained by getting those Dubs banned)
I've no idea whether Byrne deserved what he got in that incident, but nobody in Dublin club football was surprised when it turned out he was the Dub involved. So I 100% support that Gavin knows what's best in this incident.
I honestly can't understand the mindset of anybody who doesn't think this warrants an investigation. The identity of the teams and the players is irrelevant. If players act the thug, they should be suspended.
No one likes to see injuries like this but as I said ages ago and as most people would have guessed, it looks like it was a case of the Ballymun player starting it with some verbals and the Armagh player finishing it.
It is not going too far to call what happened to Davey Byrne when his Dublin side faced Armagh in a challenge match the week before last an act of extreme violence. In society, any act of aggression which leads to someone requiring hospital treatment is unacceptable and, in many cases, a criminal offence.
That this incident happened on a sports field doesn't change that.
Details are sketchy but this is what we know: Davey Byrne suffered severe head injuries, he was required to stay in hospital for two nights, the altercation with an Armagh player happened before the game had begun and it is not mentioned in the referee's report, which indicates that the referee did not see it.
Here's what the Dublin and Armagh players and management know: the name of the Armagh player who inflicted these injuries, and what happened that led to the incident occurring.
Challenge games are no different in the eyes of the GAA than championship matches, the same rules and sanctions apply. Challenge games are not permitted at any level in the GAA without permission, and there must be an official referee.
And as with any incident of this nature not seen by the referee, the GAA has the power to investigate. The players and management from both counties, as well as the two county boards, appear to have a different view, however.
They have dealt with the matter themselves, the two players have spoken and they want to move on. Presumably, officials from the two boards have spoken too.
Why do they get to decide how this serious incident is dealt with? What does that say for either county's view on discipline? Dublin and Armagh should not be the ones who decide that they want to put this, as Jim Gavin called it, "regrettable incident" behind them. Armagh, meanwhile, have remained silent. Nothing to see here, move on.
The GAA, if it is remotely serious about cracking down on violence, should have opened an investigation immediately and if getting to the bottom of what happened meant interviewing every player and backroom team member who was there, then so be it. There is at least one video recording of the match - is the incident captured?
To listen to Gavin repeatedly dodge Colm Parkinson's excellent, and fair, line of questioning on this whole affair during a very revealing interview (see panel) on Off The Ball on Thursday night was to be exposed to a view of the GAA world which is not a healthy one. At one point, the Dublin manager - whose discomfort clearly grew the longer the interview went on - even referred to Byrne as "unfortunate", a very unfortunate choice of words. Throughout his time as Dublin manager, Gavin has conducted himself with admirable humility and respect, but this was not his finest moment.
In fact, the whole thing has become a little sordid. It reeks of double standards, of one rule for one and another for someone else. Can you imagine a situation where it is deemed acceptable for two teams - or in this case two high-profile counties - to sort matters of ill-discipline out between themselves? If Meath goalkeeper Paddy O'Rourke had phoned Westmeath's Kieran Martin after his red card two weeks ago and the two players had "a good frank discussion", could he have played yesterday in Omagh and avoided the suspension he incurred?
As a player committed to the Dublin squad, it is quite likely that Byrne is happy to move on, recover from his injuries and get back playing. Players play. But that does not excuse others such as Dublin County Board or the GAA not taking action.
Byrne, just like all players, deserves at least that much.
Sunday Indo Sport
Will they do a follow up next week on an Armagh player being hit before the ball was thrown in today?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
A few thoughts I've had this week regarding this incident. Just my opinions folks so we're all entitled to that.
1. I presume Dublin arranged this game to set themselves a decent challenge to play away from Croker against a Northern tough team who Gavin knew would provide a hard physical game to test his team against a defensive system that he will probably be coming up against much more from here on in.
2. Dublin away from home know that teams will put it up to them more and try to bully them and intimidate them as some see the Dubs as being a nice open football team but maybe not having too many 'hard' men bar MDMA, McMahon or O'Gara who is out injured. As a result of this Dublin have to make a stand and be seen not to be pushovers.
3. Gavin seems to paint this very whiter than white image of his team and has openly criticised other teams tactics and behaviour and seems quite smug in his views on his team play the game in the way it should be played.
4. I'm sure there are several more incidents but I can think of three times where Dublin have been involved in unsavoury very serious incidents which each time have been very quickly brushed under the carpet with minimal media attention and no big fuss made about it.
I was in Omagh yesterday & Skerries GAA club last night and the amount of Gaels who hadn't even heard about the match was unreal.
As a Tyrone lad living in Dublin I am sick to the teeth of hearing bad press about Tyrone football. Even after our under 21s won a great game if football this year to lift our spirits again the media were on our back.
My main point for posting today is not to ask what R ally happened in that game and what will be done about it. No my grievance is do you agree with me that there seems to be a very clear pattern here of Double standards?
Whether its because of the Dublin based media or as someone on here suggested, even worse refs or opposing teams being offered money to go away and be quiet just to get Dublin off the hook, I really don't know.
I live in Dublin for a long time and yes I have some anti Dublin bias, however I enjoyed seeing Dublin win Sam in 2011 as it gives the whole city a lift and there was good mood and atmosphere in the place.
Naturally enough I am saddened by my own county's demise and how so many people perceive us now thanks to people like Brolly and very anti Northern Southern media but c'est la vie.
My main question to most on here is if this incident had of happened in a 'friendly' match between Donegal and Tyrone would we have the same silence of what really happened or would there be uproar about the thuggery and sledging up there and how something has to be done to stop this cancer.
Will you ever fcuk off. You're having a go at Dublin in situation where it was a Dubln player who was the victim. That and having a moan and a whine about people picking on poor Tyrone. FFS!
Move on.
"I think Jim already answered that about 20 times for everybody," he said.
"We both kind of said that discipline is a core philosophy of both teams. Two people got involved, they spoke, everybody moves on.
"Like that, most of the stuff that's reported was nothing near the truth of what happened so you just have to leave it behind and move on."
Asked if he felt it should be just left at that, the former Kildare manager, in his first year in charge of the Orchard County, replied: "Everybody does, it's just...what more would you like to do? I don't really understand the question."
That's grand so. No more bans or suspensions even if ye batter a lad into hospital. We'll shake hands and move on.
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2015, 10:58:55 PM
That's grand so. No more bans or suspensions even if ye batter a lad into hospital. We'll shake hands and move on.
Can I ask again. If an investigation is to be made on the friendly why no mention of the Galway player hitting the Armagh player before throw in to get a reaction? Surely everything should be treated the same.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on July 12, 2015, 09:10:16 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 12, 2015, 09:05:00 AM
A few thoughts I've had this week regarding this incident. Just my opinions folks so we're all entitled to that.
1. I presume Dublin arranged this game to set themselves a decent challenge to play away from Croker against a Northern tough team who Gavin knew would provide a hard physical game to test his team against a defensive system that he will probably be coming up against much more from here on in.
2. Dublin away from home know that teams will put it up to them more and try to bully them and intimidate them as some see the Dubs as being a nice open football team but maybe not having too many 'hard' men bar MDMA, McMahon or O'Gara who is out injured. As a result of this Dublin have to make a stand and be seen not to be pushovers.
3. Gavin seems to paint this very whiter than white image of his team and has openly criticised other teams tactics and behaviour and seems quite smug in his views on his team play the game in the way it should be played.
4. I'm sure there are several more incidents but I can think of three times where Dublin have been involved in unsavoury very serious incidents which each time have been very quickly brushed under the carpet with minimal media attention and no big fuss made about it.
I was in Omagh yesterday & Skerries GAA club last night and the amount of Gaels who hadn't even heard about the match was unreal.
As a Tyrone lad living in Dublin I am sick to the teeth of hearing bad press about Tyrone football. Even after our under 21s won a great game if football this year to lift our spirits again the media were on our back.
My main point for posting today is not to ask what R ally happened in that game and what will be done about it. No my grievance is do you agree with me that there seems to be a very clear pattern here of Double standards?
Whether its because of the Dublin based media or as someone on here suggested, even worse refs or opposing teams being offered money to go away and be quiet just to get Dublin off the hook, I really don't know.
I live in Dublin for a long time and yes I have some anti Dublin bias, however I enjoyed seeing Dublin win Sam in 2011 as it gives the whole city a lift and there was good mood and atmosphere in the place.
Naturally enough I am saddened by my own county's demise and how so many people perceive us now thanks to people like Brolly and very anti Northern Southern media but c'est la vie.
My main question to most on here is if this incident had of happened in a 'friendly' match between Donegal and Tyrone would we have the same silence of what really happened or would there be uproar about the thuggery and sledging up there and how something has to be done to stop this cancer.
Will you ever fcuk off. You're having a go at Dublin in situation where it was a Dubln player who was the victim. That and having a moan and a whine about people picking on poor Tyrone. FFS!
With paranoia like that Fuzz man must have started hitting the white stuff since he moved to Dublin. This is the sort of shite FoSB was coming out with a couple of weeks ago after watching a programme in which Tyrone weren't mentioned :-\
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
Seems to be no plan as regards legal proceedings - if there were there's no way Gavin would have gone on Newstalk.
I would imagine Dublin's big concern is what happened in the all-in brawl that followed - if a couple of their big names got banned for a game or two, it might make things a fair bit trickier as regards Sam - and that's before the whole aspect of what their laundry list of sponsors would think about the whole thing. One thing is sponsor a winning team battering minnows in their home patch, another thing giving money to a group of lads involved in bald-headed violence.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 13, 2015, 11:40:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
Seems to be no plan as regards legal proceedings - if there were there's no way Gavin would have gone on Newstalk.
I would imagine Dublin's big concern is what happened in the all-in brawl that followed - if a couple of their big names got banned for a game or two, it might make things a fair bit trickier as regards Sam - and that's before the whole aspect of what their laundry list of sponsors would think about the whole thing. One thing is sponsor a winning team battering minnows in their home patch, another thing giving money to a group of lads involved in bald-headed violence.
As I stated previously don't draw any conclusions in the absence of public facts
Also Dublin didn't have any of their starting 15 playing .
This is a discussion which has been going on for some weeks and has potentially serious consequences for both counties. Davy Byrne's name is in the public domain so can his Armagh counterpart be identified ?
Quote from: Mourne Rover on July 13, 2015, 01:05:20 PM
This is a discussion which has been going on for some weeks and has potentially serious consequences for both counties. Davy Byrne's name is in the public domain so can his Armagh counterpart be identified ?
Can you explain these serious consequences for Dublin you keep going on about because I'm struggling to see them.
I heard yesterday at the game, that an unwarranted punch to the balls by the Dublin player was rewarded with a few boxes around the head by the Armagh player. No broken jaw, no broken eye socket, but apparently it is true about the Dublin man having his jersey pulled over his head while the Armagh man (A senior member of the panel) give him a good few punches in quick succession.
Quote from: Feckitt on July 13, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
I heard yesterday at the game, that an unwarranted punch to the balls by the Dublin player was rewarded with a few boxes around the head by the Armagh player. No broken jaw, no broken eye socket, but apparently it is true about the Dublin man having his jersey pulled over his head while the Armagh man (A senior member of the panel) give him a good few punches in quick succession.
What you should do here is name all the Armagh players who are
not the alleged perpetrator.
Indiana, a Dublin player spent two nights in hospital after what was reportedly a brawl involving both sides. There has been a huge spotlight on the affair for some weeks, with growing calls for an official investigation. Do you really have to be told why serious consequences could potentially follow for each county ?
Subsequent to the game, both players have spoken to each other and they regret what happened, they've had a frank discussion with each other and both of them are keen on getting back into their county jerseys.
Subsequent to the game, both players have spoken to each other and they regret what happened, they've had a frank discussion with each other and both of them are keen on getting back into their county jerseys.
Subsequent to the game, both players have spoken to each other and they regret what happened, they've had a frank discussion with each other and both of them are keen on getting back into their county jerseys.
How many times do you need this repeated to you?
Quote from: Feckitt on July 13, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
I heard yesterday at the game, that an unwarranted punch to the balls by the Dublin player was rewarded with a few boxes around the head by the Armagh player. No broken jaw, no broken eye socket, but apparently it is true about the Dublin man having his jersey pulled over his head while the Armagh man (A senior member of the panel) give him a good few punches in quick succession.
Complete bullshit.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
In fairness to Parkinson, he was saying if it was just two lads going at it, he didn't have a massive problem with the whole thing as it takes two to tango.
It was the whole 'Move along, nothing to see here' approach that was making him think this isn't what happened in this case.
It's unusual that both sides would refuse to say anything about what happened.
Dublin would seem to be the victims here and yet they don't want anyone looking too closely at what happened, which would make you wonder.
No, this wasn't the Parkinson thing, I reckon he was on the right lines. This was the paper review at 12 yesterday, when I was heading to Thurles.
I heard Ger Gilroy rabbiting on alright and felt like firing the radio out the window.
Some lad texted in to say he was reconsidering letting his daughter play u-12 camogie on the back of this. ::)
Take Molloy and Parkinson out of the studio and it's barely worth listening to.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 13, 2015, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on July 13, 2015, 04:47:36 PM
I heard yesterday at the game, that an unwarranted punch to the balls by the Dublin player was rewarded with a few boxes around the head by the Armagh player. No broken jaw, no broken eye socket, but apparently it is true about the Dublin man having his jersey pulled over his head while the Armagh man (A senior member of the panel) give him a good few punches in quick succession.
Complete bullshit.
Alright then, what happened?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
In fairness to Parkinson, he was saying if it was just two lads going at it, he didn't have a massive problem with the whole thing as it takes two to tango.
It was the whole 'Move along, nothing to see here' approach that was making him think this isn't what happened in this case.
It's unusual that both sides would refuse to say anything about what happened.
Dublin would seem to be the victims here and yet they don't want anyone looking too closely at what happened, which would make you wonder.
Exactly. This self-policing shite has to stop. In hindsight I m amazed Gavin did that interview. Whoever his spin-doctor is, landed him in it. Came across like an evasive politician on the cover-up.
CCC to investigate.
The GAA's Central Competition Controls Committee are to re-open the investigation into the incident that left Dublin footballer Davy Byrne with an extensive facial injury in a challenge match against Armagh almost two weeks ago.
It is understood that the disciplinary body are to seek further information from Dublin and Armagh in the wake of Dubs manager Jim Gavin's interview with Newstalk on Thursday night when he revealed that Byrne had a "frank" exchange afterwards with an Armagh player afterwards about the incident which happened before throw-in and left him with a fractured nose.
Gavin may be asked, through the Dublin County Board, to provide information on the identity of the Armagh player with whom he says Byrne spoke.
The CCCC have already looked at a video provided for them but it does not shed any light on the incident.
They were not in a position to launch a full investigation last week because there was no reference to the incident in the referee's match report or a complaint from Dublin.
But Gavin's revelation that Byrne spoke with the player involved in the incident has provided the basis for a further probe.
Meanwhile Newstalk did not carry an interview with Gavin after Dublin's Leinster final win over Westmeath. It is not clear if they were advised not to request one beforehand or if relations between the broadcaster and the Dublin management have become strained in the wake of last week's interview by former Laois footballer Colm Parkinson.
Irish Independent
Good to see that they're at least investigating it although it's unlikely anybody will have seen anything or that there will be any concrete evidence. Unless now that Armagh are out, they're lips might be a bit looser but I doubt it
There's a video is there not?
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
There's a video is there not?
It happened before throw in so the chances are it may not have been captured.
True.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 09:19:55 AM
There's a video is there not?
The CCCC have already looked at a video provided for them but it does not shed any light on the incident.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2015, 10:06:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 11:33:23 AM
Was the Dublin man the 'victim' though? I know he got a broken nose out of it, and I've heard broken jaw and broken eye socket as well, but there's some doubt about that apparently. I can't believe Dublin would want this to just go away if it was as clear as the media made it out to be. I was getting annoyed listening to Newstalk yesterday on the way to Thurles. They were going on and on about this victim thing, and were incredulous that Gavin wanted to just sweep it under the carpet. Part of their annoyance was because it will kill the story, of course, but it annoyed me that not one of the panel said 'Why are Dublin eager to keep it under wraps?'.
Unless there is legal proceedings under way (in which case I apologise), I think it's fairly clear the victim status may be at least in question here. I don't like the way Armagh are being slated when no one really knows what's going on.
In fairness to Parkinson, he was saying if it was just two lads going at it, he didn't have a massive problem with the whole thing as it takes two to tango.
It was the whole 'Move along, nothing to see here' approach that was making him think this isn't what happened in this case.
It's unusual that both sides would refuse to say anything about what happened.
Dublin would seem to be the victims here and yet they don't want anyone looking too closely at what happened, which would make you wonder.
Only plausible explanation is that there are numerous incidents in the melee by first team players (on both sides) that would see them suspended for August.
It's ironic that the only basis for an investigation is that Gavin, the master of saying nothing, said something (and probably thought he was saying nothing).
Quote from: Hardy on July 14, 2015, 10:08:36 AM
It's ironic that the only basis for an investigation is that Gavin, the master of saying nothing, said something.
Strange one alright. But the Gaa works in mysterious ways on occasion.
I think this is only right and proper, but I think it's typical GAA. The only reason they are having an investigation, or 're-opening' the investigation, is not because of anything Jim Gavin said. It's because of the media commentary since.
We should have had a proper investigation as soon as the game was over, but as with everything else, the GAA tries to gauge which way the public (i.e. the paying punter) is swaying before deciding what to do.
Their hands were tied as there was no reference to the incident in the referee's match report or a complaint from Dublin. My information is that they were very unhappy about the incident and the lack of information about it. Gavin's interview where he refers to a frank discussion to an unnamed Armagh has given them an avenue to pursue.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on July 14, 2015, 11:30:52 AM
Their hands were tied as there was no reference to the incident in the referee's match report or a complaint from Dublin. My information is that they were very unhappy about the incident and the lack of information about it. Gavin's interview where he refers to a frank discussion to an unnamed Armagh has given them an avenue to pursue.
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You could well be right about this but where does this begin and end ?. Can any manager / official make a statement to Parkinson about an alleged incident in a match whether it be a challenge or not and that is enough to begin an investigation ?.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
I heard Ger Gilroy rabbiting on alright and felt like firing the radio out the window.
Some lad texted in to say he was reconsidering letting his daughter play u-12 camogie on the back of this. ::)
Take Molloy and Parkinson out of the studio and it's barely worth listening to.
If the GAA and GAA people are seen to indulge and make excuses for a culture of off the ball violence, that's an entirely understandable reaction. Regrettable, but understandable.
Plenty of parents won't let their kids play rugby due to both the serious physical dangers inherent to the game itself and off the ball violence associated with the game, and that's entirely understandable.
Quote from: Sidney on July 14, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
I heard Ger Gilroy rabbiting on alright and felt like firing the radio out the window.
Some lad texted in to say he was reconsidering letting his daughter play u-12 camogie on the back of this. ::)
Take Molloy and Parkinson out of the studio and it's barely worth listening to.
If the GAA and GAA people are seen to indulge and make excuses for a culture of off the ball violence, that's an entirely understandable reaction. Regrettable, but understandable.
Plenty of parents won't let their kids play rugby due to both the serious physical dangers inherent to the game itself and off the ball violence associated with the game, and that's entirely understandable.
That's the thing though, you never hear this type of uproar over violent incidents in rugby.
I can put up umpteen clips of rugby players thumping the heads off each other, head-butting, gouging, rucking with their studs etc.
It never seems to evoke the same type of moral panic for some reason.
Then again, you get an altogether better class of thug in rugby.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 01:31:02 PM
Quote from: Sidney on July 14, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 13, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
I heard Ger Gilroy rabbiting on alright and felt like firing the radio out the window.
Some lad texted in to say he was reconsidering letting his daughter play u-12 camogie on the back of this. ::)
Take Molloy and Parkinson out of the studio and it's barely worth listening to.
If the GAA and GAA people are seen to indulge and make excuses for a culture of off the ball violence, that's an entirely understandable reaction. Regrettable, but understandable.
Plenty of parents won't let their kids play rugby due to both the serious physical dangers inherent to the game itself and off the ball violence associated with the game, and that's entirely understandable.
That's the thing though, you never hear this type of uproar over violent incidents in rugby.
I can put up umpteen clips of rugby players thumping the heads off each other, head-butting, gouging, rucking with their studs etc.
It never seems to evoke the same type of moral panic for some reason.
Then again, you get an altogether better class of thug in rugby.
Frank discussions have been to the fore in rugby discipline for years. The level of thuggery in rugby has dropped considerably in the last 20 years, you still get incidents but there is a lot more accountability. I would say there is still some moral panic but the GAA is ingrained more in our culture and therefore is a greater barometer of us as a nation, hence our morality is more exposed and moral outrage is heightened as a result.
That's true enough.
On the issue of challenge matches, can anyone think of an example comparable to this?
I've heard of challenges turning into flaking matches but I can't think of any where there has been this degree of fallout.
Are they going to question this guy, Frank?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 14, 2015, 02:21:24 PM
Are they going to question this guy, Frank?
If it's Murphy then they can forget about it.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
That's true enough.
On the issue of challenge matches, can anyone think of an example comparable to this?
I've heard of challenges turning into flaking matches but I can't think of any where there has been this degree of fallout.
Over virtually nothing and because of a grossly exaggerated initial report.
The facts of this non event are fairly well established in all corners at this point. Worse happenstrying to get the ball back after free kicks are given in every match you watch
Worse than a broken nose happens trying to get the ball back?
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 14, 2015, 05:05:37 PM
Worse than a broken nose happens trying to get the ball back?
Yeah didn't you hear it's now mandatory that lads must spend 2 night in hospital anytime they have to get the ball back for a free-kick.
It's a contact sport. Noses, arms, legs, fingers and more get broken regularly without someone needing to be vilified.
Also, more than once I've seen clowns flailing punches at someone, get one back to keep them off and end off coming off far worse.
Three weeks ago I watched two lads converge on a break ball... One lad came out with the ball and away. The other didn't get up and turned out he'd a dislocated elbow and heavy concussion. Should there be an investigation or is that confined to those incidents that the evening herald want an enquiry for?
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Three weeks ago I watched two lads converge on a break ball... One lad came out with the ball and away. The other didn't get up and turned out he'd a dislocated elbow and heavy concussion. Should there be an investigation or is that confined to those incidents that the evening herald want an enquiry for?
Are you seriously drawing comparisons between an injury that occurred in a collision for a breaking ball & the off the ball incident in the Armagh v Dublin game?
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
It's a contact sport. Noses, arms, legs, fingers and more get broken regularly without someone needing to be vilified.
Also, more than once I've seen clowns flailing punches at someone, get one back to keep them off and end off coming off far worse.
Three weeks ago I watched two lads converge on a break ball... One lad came out with the ball and away. The other didn't get up and turned out he'd a dislocated elbow and heavy concussion. Should there be an investigation or is that confined to those incidents that the evening herald want an enquiry for?
Did you go to the same school as Fearon?
Quote from: galwayman on July 14, 2015, 07:48:31 PM
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Three weeks ago I watched two lads converge on a break ball... One lad came out with the ball and away. The other didn't get up and turned out he'd a dislocated elbow and heavy concussion. Should there be an investigation or is that confined to those incidents that the evening herald want an enquiry for?
Are you seriously drawing comparisons between an injury that occurred in a collision for a breaking ball & the off the ball incident in the Armagh v Dublin game?
The EH said it was off the ball. They said a lot of things that were retracted
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
That's true enough.
On the issue of challenge matches, can anyone think of an example comparable to this?
I've heard of challenges turning into flaking matches but I can't think of any where there has been this degree of fallout.
Over virtually nothing and because of a grossly exaggerated initial report.
The facts of this non event are fairly well established in all corners at this point. Worse happenstrying to get the ball back after free kicks are given in every match you watch
Complete rubbish. I know exactly what happened and if it's investigated properly it will be a lengthy ban for the Armagh player. There was no digs thrown by the Dublin player. Armagh were wound up like lunatics after the Donegal game.
Stop putting out erroneous details.
You obviously don't
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 10:23:17 PM
You obviously don't
I do actually it's quite clear you haven't a rashers what went on. Should try learning to play football first maybe judging by your display last Sunday.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 10:04:50 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
That's true enough.
On the issue of challenge matches, can anyone think of an example comparable to this?
I've heard of challenges turning into flaking matches but I can't think of any where there has been this degree of fallout.
Over virtually nothing and because of a grossly exaggerated initial report.
The facts of this non event are fairly well established in all corners at this point. Worse happenstrying to get the ball back after free kicks are given in every match you watch
Complete rubbish. I know exactly what happened and if it's investigated properly it will be a lengthy ban for the Armagh player. There was no digs thrown by the Dublin player. Armagh were wound up like lunatics after the Donegal game.
Stop putting out erroneous details.
Not doubting you know what happened.
Why did Dublin agree to let this go? Surely they should have demanded a full and proper investigation. Now, until there is a transparent investigation undertaken, Dublin will seem to be involved in a conspiracy to cover up some unsavoury incident. Who decided that was a good idea? Everybody should know that it is impossible to keep something like that under wraps even if you should want to. Even behind closed doors there are too many people to gag.
Looks like the investigation some of you crave is happening.
Byrne incident will be investigated
14 July 2015
The GAA has belatedly decided to investigate the incident that saw Dublin's Davey Byrne sustain serious facial injuries against Armagh.
The Dubs utility man had to be hospitalised when suffering a broken nose during an altercation before throw-in for the now-infamous SF challenge at Glasnevin twelve days ago and was subsequently unavailable for Sunday's Leinster final.
Initially, the GAA seemed powerless to intervene as referee Fergal Kelly didn't mention the incident in his match report.
However, reference has since been made by manager Jim Gavin to the Byrne injury in the media, with the Dubs boss stating that both the Ballymun Kickhams clubman and his Orchard County opponent had spoken subsequently and wanted to move on from the July 2nd flashpoint.
However, it now transpires that the GAA's powerful Central Competitions Control Committee is seeking further information and may not allow the two counties to simply sort it out amongst
There is only one gormless clown that would come on here announcing that he knew exactly what happened. You obviously don't or you, like the Dublin management, would be keeping your head down for fear of losing players. Obviously certain players get away with intimidation and thuggery in club football in Dublin if they think it should be tolerated at a county level.
I've a couple of issues with this.
I understand the demand for an investigation, given the injuries (or injury singular) suffered. However there seems to be a push to investigate one incident. Were there not multiple players involved and throwing punches? Do they get off because they didn't inflict a minimum threshold of damage?
And imagine if you will that the investigation uncovered other serious transgressions - say for the sake of discussion players running in from another pitch to get involved. Will they be investigated and given appropriate sanctions?
And after this investigation has concluded, will there now be more consistency with the GAA's urgency to conduct disciplinary investigations. Armagh and Cavan were investigated last year, but similar issues went unpunished - Mayo and Kerry in Limerick as an example. If Armagh and Dublin get investigated, will there be similar investigations for other issues? I don't recall much happening after Tyrone v Donegal or Mayo v Galway?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 10:04:50 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 14, 2015, 01:59:58 PM
That's true enough.
On the issue of challenge matches, can anyone think of an example comparable to this?
I've heard of challenges turning into flaking matches but I can't think of any where there has been this degree of fallout.
Over virtually nothing and because of a grossly exaggerated initial report.
The facts of this non event are fairly well established in all corners at this point. Worse happenstrying to get the ball back after free kicks are given in every match you watch
Complete rubbish. I know exactly what happened and if it's investigated properly it will be a lengthy ban for the Armagh player. There was no digs thrown by the Dublin player. Armagh were wound up like lunatics after the Donegal game.
Stop putting out erroneous details.
Erroneous details were put out by a newspaper at the start. By stating that Armagh were wound up like lunatics you are implicating a number of completely innocent people. Only the players involved know exactly what happened. Dublin seemed quite happy to let the matter go. If the GAA want to investigate it and they can get categoric prove that player(s) should be banned then then they should do so. The problem is that the erroneous reporting to date means that a fair hearing will be difficult to achieve and naming any player as guilty of an offence without the categoric prove I mention could be considered slanderous or libellous.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
I've a couple of issues with this.
I understand the demand for an investigation, given the injuries (or injury singular) suffered. However there seems to be a push to investigate one incident. Were there not multiple players involved and throwing punches? Do they get off because they didn't inflict a minimum threshold of damage?
And imagine if you will that the investigation uncovered other serious transgressions - say for the sake of discussion players running in from another pitch to get involved. Will they be investigated and given appropriate sanctions?
And after this investigation has concluded, will there now be more consistency with the GAA's urgency to conduct disciplinary investigations. Armagh and Cavan were investigated last year, but similar issues went unpunished - Mayo and Kerry in Limerick as an example. If Armagh and Dublin get investigated, will there be similar investigations for other issues? I don't recall much happening after Tyrone v Donegal or Mayo v Galway?
Why? What happened there?
Those and the other games you mention were played in front of thousands of witnesses, appointed officials and several cameras. Not much chance of a cover up there if anything happens.
The issue with the Davy Byrne incident is that because the match was played behind closed doors it appears that a conspiracy took place to cover it up. Why? We don t know yet. But clearly an investigation and a report/result is needed. The ref needs to be hauled in as well and suspended if he was part of the hush hush. Both counties needs to be fined for not bringing this to the attention . I would have thought in this day and age that injured players would have to be mentioned in ref report regardless if he saw something or not. Even to cover himself if there is an insurance issue later. I ve had refs ask for details of players replaced with injuries during matches. Can t believe something like this could happen really. As I said earlier these type of games need strict procedures put in place.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 14, 2015, 10:46:31 PMThe problem is that the erroneous reporting to date means that a fair hearing will be difficult to achieve and naming any player as guilty of an offence without the categoric prove I mention could be considered slanderous or libellous.
I think you are overstating significantly the difficulty of a fair hearing based on what has been reported to date in the media.
If there was to be a legal case, there has been nothing in the media to date that would be sufficient to have a judge throwing out a case ; for a sporting organisation with far less severe penalties there is no way that any panel is going to accept any such argument.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:00:23 PM
Why? What happened there? Those and the other games you mention were played in front of thousands of witnesses, appointed officials and several cameras. Not much chance of a cover up there if anything happens.
As did Armagh and Cavan and the GAA deemed an investigation take place and suspensions / fines be imposed for what happened?
Did that happen after the aforementioned games? I don't recall it. The bottom line is here that an investigation will take place into a large 'fracas' and not an investigation into a 'cover up'.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 14, 2015, 10:38:05 PM
There is only one gormless clown that would come on here announcing that he knew exactly what happened. You obviously don't or you, like the Dublin management, would be keeping your head down for fear of losing players. Obviously certain players get away with intimidation and thuggery in club football in Dublin if they think it should be tolerated at a county level.
Thats why I know you don't know what happened.
because if you did you'd know what personnel Dublin used that night.
When was the last time Davy Byrne played championship football for Dublin?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
I've a couple of issues with this.
I understand the demand for an investigation, given the injuries (or injury singular) suffered. However there seems to be a push to investigate one incident. Were there not multiple players involved and throwing punches? Do they get off because they didn't inflict a minimum threshold of damage?
And imagine if you will that the investigation uncovered other serious transgressions - say for the sake of discussion players running in from another pitch to get involved. Will they be investigated and given appropriate sanctions?
And after this investigation has concluded, will there now be more consistency with the GAA's urgency to conduct disciplinary investigations. Armagh and Cavan were investigated last year, but similar issues went unpunished - Mayo and Kerry in Limerick as an example. If Armagh and Dublin get investigated, will there be similar investigations for other issues? I don't recall much happening after Tyrone v Donegal or Mayo v Galway?
I've no issue with a full investigation of players off both sides. None whatsoever. Players weren't in hospital in the games you mentioned so trying to compare them really is a bit silly.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
I've no issue with a full investigation of players off both sides. None whatsoever. Players weren't in hospital in the games you mentioned so trying to compare them really is a bit silly.
Edited to say;
You appear therefore to be saying that there has to be a minimum threshold of injury before an investigation can / needs to take place? Now that is a bit silly.
Bottom line is that the Gaa have the official guide and can only initiate disciplinary procedures under rules as laid down therein.
The apparent complete absence of a referee's report will mean IMO that there will not be any disciplinary procedures.
There will probably be ( and no harm either ) a rule brought in that all challenge matches must be reffed by a previously appointed official referee and that a report must be submitted in all instances including any yellows/ reds etc and sanctions handed out as a result.
Dublin, contrary to what some have said, have already it seems provided a video of the game which didn't show the incident - so how can they be accused of just wanting to get rid of it ?.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
I've no issue with a full investigation of players off both sides. None whatsoever. Players weren't in hospital in the games you mentioned so trying to compare them really is a bit silly.
So you are saying that there has to be a minimum threshold of injury before an investigation can / needs to take place?
No but anyone can distinguish between the difference of a player spending a few nights in hospital and another like Mayo or Tyone's games who gets pushed to the ground a few times and is verbally abused. Both instances are unacceptable but the seriousness of one incident over the other deems it necessary of investigation in my view.
We can't accept players being badly injured in games as part of the norm and the same as other instances where physical bodily harm isn't inflicted. Thats pretty obvious in my view. One incident ensures a guy can't go to work the next day
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:00:23 PM
Why? What happened there? Those and the other games you mention were played in front of thousands of witnesses, appointed officials and several cameras. Not much chance of a cover up there if anything happens.
As did Armagh and Cavan and the GAA deemed an investigation take place and suspensions / fines be imposed for what happened?
Did that happen after the aforementioned games? I don't recall it. The bottom line is here that an investigation will take place into a large 'fracas' and not an investigation into a 'cover up'.
The episode should have been dealt with already but there was a cover up initiated by both counties it seems. The cover-up needs to be addressed as well now and action taken. That is all.
You ve lost me with the Cavan/Armagh bit earlier? You re not referring to a row in a parade and comparing that to anything that may have happened in other games are you?
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:28:56 PM
No but anyone can distinguish between the difference of a player spending a few nights in hospital and another like Mayo or Tyone's games who gets pushed to the ground a few times and is verbally abused. Both instances are unacceptable but the seriousness of one incident over the other deems it necessary of investigation in my view.
We can't accept players being badly injured in games as part of the norm and the same as other instances where physical bodily harm isn't inflicted. Thats pretty obvious in my view. One incident ensures a guy can't go to work the next day
Ah - that is what you are saying? Investigations should only be carried out on the basis of the degree of injury inflicted. Therefore any sort of fracas can take place and will not be investigated if serious injury is avoided.
Now that's a bit silly.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
You ve lost me with the Cavan/Armagh bit earlier? You re not referring to a row in a parade and comparing that to anything that may have happened in other games are you?
Again, we are comparing scenes of multiple indiscipline. Yes, the Cavan and Armagh referral was around the parade. County Boards received fines and suspensions were handed out. There was a fracas at half time in the Donegal and Tyrone game as teams were leaving the pitch. In Limerick, the actions of the Mayo and Kerry players prompted fans to enter the field in a threatening manner.
Like I said, I am only asking for consistency - why are only certain sets of indiscipline, involving multiple players / officials, being investigated?
Are you sure those other occasions were not investigated? I'd find it hard to believe they were not investigated.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:41:37 PM
Are you sure those other occasions were not investigated? I'd find it hard to believe they were not investigated.
I don't recall it, but I'm open to correction.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:33:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:28:56 PM
No but anyone can distinguish between the difference of a player spending a few nights in hospital and another like Mayo or Tyone's games who gets pushed to the ground a few times and is verbally abused. Both instances are unacceptable but the seriousness of one incident over the other deems it necessary of investigation in my view.
We can't accept players being badly injured in games as part of the norm and the same as other instances where physical bodily harm isn't inflicted. Thats pretty obvious in my view. One incident ensures a guy can't go to work the next day
Ah - that is what you are saying? Investigations should only be carried out on the basis of the degree of injury inflicted. Therefore any sort of fracas can take place and will not be investigated if serious injury is avoided.
Now that's a bit silly.
What is silly is this daft line of argument.
If an injury is accidental then there isn't a problem.
If an injury is deliberately inflicted, then certainly the degree of injury should be considered.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:37:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:32:37 PM
You ve lost me with the Cavan/Armagh bit earlier? You re not referring to a row in a parade and comparing that to anything that may have happened in other games are you?
Again, we are comparing scenes of multiple indiscipline. Yes, the Cavan and Armagh referral was around the parade. County Boards received fines and suspensions were handed out. There was a fracas at half time in the Donegal and Tyrone game as teams were leaving the pitch. In Limerick, the actions of the Mayo and Kerry players prompted fans to enter the field in a threatening manner.
Like I said, I am only asking for consistency - why are only certain sets of indiscipline, involving multiple players / officials, being investigated?
So from what your saying the punishment for jaywalking should be the same as drink driving? Truly hilarious stuff here.
If I verbally abused someone in the street should I get the same sanction as someone who breaks another lads jaw?
C
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:45:11 PM
So from what your saying the punishment for jaywalking should be the same as drink driving? Truly hilarious stuff here.
If I verbally abused someone in the street should I get the same sanction as someone who breaks another lads jaw?
C
You're going to have to read what I say. I'm only asking for an investigation. The investigation will decide the level of punishment, if appropriate.
Come on man - this isn't difficult, is it? We don't have this trouble on other forums?
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2015, 11:44:17 PM
What is silly is this daft line of argument. If an injury is accidental then there isn't a problem. If an injury is deliberately inflicted, then certainly the degree of injury should be considered.
Try and not think of the injury. Try and think of the matter of indiscipline / illegal action that is taking place and is being investigated.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:52:52 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:45:11 PM
So from what your saying the punishment for jaywalking should be the same as drink driving? Truly hilarious stuff here.
If I verbally abused someone in the street should I get the same sanction as someone who breaks another lads jaw?
C
You're going to have to read what I say. I'm only asking for an investigation. The investigation will decide the level of punishment, if appropriate.
Come on man - this isn't difficult, is it? We don't have this trouble on other forums?
I think trying to argue that incidents that didn't inflict serious injury are deemed to be required to be investigated to the same extent as another which did inflict serious injury really is the purview of ambulance chasers.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:54:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on July 14, 2015, 11:44:17 PM
What is silly is this daft line of argument. If an injury is accidental then there isn't a problem. If an injury is deliberately inflicted, then certainly the degree of injury should be considered.
Try and not think of the injury. Try and think of the matter of indiscipline / illegal action that is taking place and is being investigated.
The intent is the main issue. The extent of the injury is often a very good guide to the intent and thus should be considered.
Ignoring the injury is ignoring evidence.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
I think trying to argue that incidents that didn't inflict serious injury are deemed to be required to be investigated to the same extent as another which did inflict serious injury really is the purview of ambulance chasers.
You're talking in riddles again.
I personally don't think it unreasonable to ask that an investigation takes place to all instances of indiscipline, involving multiple offenders, on the basis that they happened as opposed to some arbitrary scale of injury inflicted.
Quote from: muppet on July 15, 2015, 12:03:44 AMThe intent is the main issue. The extent of the injury is often a very good guide to the intent and thus should be considered.
Ignoring the injury is ignoring evidence.
Very true indeed. Can't disagree with any of that.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 15, 2015, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: muppet on July 15, 2015, 12:03:44 AMThe intent is the main issue. The extent of the injury is often a very good guide to the intent and thus should be considered.
Ignoring the injury is ignoring evidence.
Very true indeed. Can't disagree with any of that.
F*ck ye, don't be getting all reasonable on me.
Quote from: muppet on July 15, 2015, 12:09:48 AM
F*ck ye, don't be getting all reasonable on me.
Ye didn't expect that from an Armagh man!! :P
As I say muppet - I only ask for consistency, that is all.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 15, 2015, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 14, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
I think trying to argue that incidents that didn't inflict serious injury are deemed to be required to be investigated to the same extent as another which did inflict serious injury really is the purview of ambulance chasers.
You're talking in riddles again.
I personally don't think it unreasonable to ask that an investigation takes place to all instances of indiscipline, involving multiple offenders, on the basis that they happened as opposed to some arbitrary scale of injury inflicted.
Its perfectly clear what I'm saying. If someone spends a few days in hospital after a football game it's plainly obvious that incident requires investigation over one where a player isn't physically injured in any way which is in the two very poor examples of matches you gave.
That's crystal clear English in anyone's terms.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 12:12:57 AM
Its perfectly clear what I'm saying. If someone spends a few days in hospital after a football game it's plainly obvious that incident requires investigation over one where a player isn't physically injured in any way which is in the two very poor examples of matches you gave. That's crystal clear English in anyone's terms.
The GAA authorities have a duty to ensure the integrity / reputation of our games. A mass brawl / fracas, regardless of the injuries inflicted, compromises that, and is a disciplinary issue which needs investigated.
In the bolded bit above, you seems to infer that there is some sort of limit to the number of investigations that can be carried out and on that basis an investigation around serious injury must have precedence.
That is not the case. There are the resources in place to investigate each mass brawl / fracas and each can and should be investigated if we are going to be consistent.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 15, 2015, 12:21:21 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 12:12:57 AM
Its perfectly clear what I'm saying. If someone spends a few days in hospital after a football game it's plainly obvious that incident requires investigation over one where a player isn't physically injured in any way which is in the two very poor examples of matches you gave. That's crystal clear English in anyone's terms.
The GAA authorities have a duty to ensure the integrity / reputation of our games. A mass brawl / fracas, regardless of the injuries inflicted, compromises that, and is a disciplinary issue which needs investigated.
In the bolded bit above, you seems to infer that there is some sort of limit to the number of investigations that can be carried out and on that basis an investigation around serious injury must have precedence.
That is not the case. There are the resources in place to investigate each mass brawl / fracas and each can and should be investigated if we are going to be consistent.
There was nothing in the Mayo v Galway game that merited anything in terms of investigation. if that's your barometer of investigation we'd have them every week. It's a really poor example in my view and trying to equate that to the equivalent of an incident where a player ends up in hospital. It's not even an argument.
You're trying to set an agenda that the GAA have it in for Armagh. Armagh were the ones who started the row against Cavan. So I fail to see your point.
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 12:28:26 AM
There was nothing in the Mayo v Galway game that merited anything in terms of investigation. if that's your barometer of investigation we'd have them every week. It's a really poor example in my view and trying to equate that to the equivalent of an incident where a player ends up in hospital. It's not even an argument.
You're trying to set an agenda that the GAA have it in for Armagh. Armagh were the ones who started the row against Cavan. So I fail to see your point.
I'm not going to go into detail on specific matches - we'd end up going around in circles. I won't rise to your Armagh jibe either but I will mention your bizarre logic;
"Armagh were the ones who started the row against Cavan. So I fail to see your point."You can't see my point around consistency on disciplinary investigations because Armagh started a row against Cavan!??! :o
Come on - don't be obtuse - you and I have crossed swords before and I know you're capable of much more in the way of debate.
Have you decided not to reinforce the point Rufus that Armagh did not start the row against Cavan. I know you and I were both there to give a first hand account. I assume he wasn't and is using second hand reports as evidence. At least that is consistent.
The bans / fines handed out for the armagh v cavan game were a joke, plenty of games have similar incidents and nothing happens. Not saying that that's right but it should be consistent
Someone ending up in hospital though needs to be investigated.
Seeing as you have the inside scoop Indiana and Dublin did nothing wrong, can you explain why Dublin didn't make a complaint about one of their players ending up in hospital?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:41:37 PM
Are you sure those other occasions were not investigated? I'd find it hard to believe they were not investigated.
I don't recall it, but I'm open to correction.
Donegal and Tyrone were fined five grand each.
Like most things on here ye are all just going around in circles as the Dubs are NEVER willing to admit any wring doing or bias.
If they are never gonna admit that them playing home games in Croke park is a HUGE advantage and blame the Leinster council or other counties then ye are wasting yer time.
Several times I've listed incidents the Dubs have done that have been swept under the carpet and I asked people can you not see the Double standards here.
RTE have a huge impact on this and people's perceptions but Sky and Newstalk now are to some degree challenging that.
Most Dublin posters reaction to my questions are
"f**k Off with your anti Dub attack and poor wee Tyrone getting picked on"
Really answers my questions very well doesn't it.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2015, 07:02:57 AM
Like most things on here ye are all just going around in circles as the Dubs are NEVER willing to admit any wring doing or bias.
If they are never gonna admit that them playing home games in Croke park is a HUGE advantage and blame the Leinster council or other counties then ye are wasting yer time.
Several times I've listed incidents the Dubs have done that have been swept under the carpet and I asked people can you not see the Double standards here.
RTE have a huge impact on this and people's perceptions but Sky and Newstalk now are to some degree challenging that.
Most Dublin posters reaction to my questions are
"f**k Off with your anti Dub attack and poor wee Tyrone getting picked on"
Really answers my questions very well doesn't it.
do you dislike the dubs?
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2015, 01:09:41 AM
The bans / fines handed out for the armagh v cavan game were a joke, plenty of games have similar incidents and nothing happens. Not saying that that's right but it should be consistent
Someone ending up in hospital though needs to be investigated.
Seeing as you have the inside scoop Indiana and Dublin did nothing wrong, can you explain why Dublin didn't make a complaint about one of their players ending up in hospital?
I'm sure you can do the maths on that one
This is like an appeal from Crimewatch :
As the association's disciplinary body continued to look into the challenge match incident that left Dublin player Davy Byrne with a broken nose two weeks ago, O Fearghail made it clear that such matters could not be settled by "local arrangements," regardless of the status of the match.
He said that counties involved, in this case Dublin and Armagh, must co-operate with the Central Competitions Control Committee investigation.
"There are no games behind closed doors as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be comfortable with an association that had games behind closed doors. I don't like that idea, I don't think that's healthy and I don't think there was a game behind closed doors," he said at yesterday's All-Ireland hurling championship launch.
"If anyone has information, if an incident occurs, you establish if it happened and anyone with As the association's disciplinary body continued to look into the challenge match incident that left Dublin player Davy Byrne with a broken nose two weeks ago, O Fearghail made it clear that such matters could not be settled by "local arrangements," regardless of the status of the match.
He said that counties involved, in this case Dublin and Armagh, must co-operate with the Central Competitions Control Committee investigation.
"There are no games behind closed doors as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't be comfortable with an association that had games behind closed doors. I don't like that idea, I don't think that's healthy and I don't think there was a game behind closed doors," he said at yesterday's All-Ireland hurling championship launch.
"If anyone has information, if an incident occurs, you establish if it happened and anyone with information on it should be forthcoming with it. Local arrangements cannot and should not be entered into for any game." on it should be forthcoming with it. Local arrangements cannot and should not be entered into for any game."
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2015, 01:09:41 AM
The bans / fines handed out for the armagh v cavan game were a joke, plenty of games have similar incidents and nothing happens. Not saying that that's right but it should be consistent
Someone ending up in hospital though needs to be investigated.
Seeing as you have the inside scoop Indiana and Dublin did nothing wrong, can you explain why Dublin didn't make a complaint about one of their players ending up in hospital?
I'm sure you can do the maths on that one
The obvious reason is that Dublin have something to fear from an investigation but you seem to think that's not the case?? If not, then what's the reason??
Or are you just trying to sound mysterious when in reality you haven't a clue any more than the rest of us??
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2015, 01:09:41 AM
The bans / fines handed out for the armagh v cavan game were a joke, plenty of games have similar incidents and nothing happens. Not saying that that's right but it should be consistent
Someone ending up in hospital though needs to be investigated.
Seeing as you have the inside scoop Indiana and Dublin did nothing wrong, can you explain why Dublin didn't make a complaint about one of their players ending up in hospital?
I'm sure you can do the maths on that one
Again with the riddles. There's two options, either Dublin and the player were thinking about going down the legal route. But that's completely at odds with the interview. Or Dublin had players involved as well and want to avoid suspensions, which is a cover up.
In my eyes the second one is the only one that holds water.
Quote from: J70 on July 15, 2015, 02:53:46 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 14, 2015, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2015, 11:41:37 PM
Are you sure those other occasions were not investigated? I'd find it hard to believe they were not investigated.
I don't recall it, but I'm open to correction.
Donegal and Tyrone were fined five grand each.
Fair enough so - getting towards the consistency I ask for.
Quote from: Throw ball on July 15, 2015, 12:56:43 AM
Have you decided not to reinforce the point Rufus that Armagh did not start the row against Cavan. I know you and I were both there to give a first hand account. I assume he wasn't and is using second hand reports as evidence. At least that is consistent.
No Throw ball, I didn't chase that. The whole purpose of him putting that in was to take the debate away from the crux of the argument.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 15, 2015, 07:02:57 AM
Like most things on here ye are all just going around in circles as the Dubs are NEVER willing to admit any wring doing or bias.
If they are never gonna admit that them playing home games in Croke park is a HUGE advantage and blame the Leinster council or other counties then ye are wasting yer time.
Several times I've listed incidents the Dubs have done that have been swept under the carpet and I asked people can you not see the Double standards here.
RTE have a huge impact on this and people's perceptions but Sky and Newstalk now are to some degree challenging that.
Most Dublin posters reaction to my questions are
"f**k Off with your anti Dub attack and poor wee Tyrone getting picked on"
Really answers my questions very well doesn't it.
Well we wouldn't want investigations into the regular wanton acts of thuggery that exist in Tyrone club football on a regular basis. The entire time of the GAA would be spent on investigations. Probably decided at this stage just to let the natives to beat the shit out of each other while the rest of us concentrate on playing the game
This thread has serious potential.
With all this hype about UFC at the moment, the GAA would be mad not to cash in and stage a spectacular at Croke Park next summer. Davy Byrne v an as yet unnamed Armagh opponent would fill the place out.
Quote from: Sidney on July 15, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
With all this hype about UFC at the moment, the GAA would be mad not to cash in and stage a spectacular at Croke Park next summer. Davy Byrne v an as yet unnamed Armagh opponent would fill the place out.
I can just see it. The fireworks would clear, the curtain would part, and out would step Kieran McGeeney. The Geezer himself. Like Vince McMahon 'wrestling' in WWE. The crowd would go wild. Dana White would orgasm to death.
Conor McGregor could be on the undercard.
I'd like to nominate Mickey Burke to represent Meath.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
I'd like to nominate Mickey Burke to represent Meath.
How about Marty Morrissey V Ger Canning on the undercard, followed by Tommy(Tom) Carr V Kevin McStay.
I would go.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 15, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Sidney on July 15, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
With all this hype about UFC at the moment, the GAA would be mad not to cash in and stage a spectacular at Croke Park next summer. Davy Byrne v an as yet unnamed Armagh opponent would fill the place out.
I can just see it. The fireworks would clear, the curtain would part, and out would step Kieran McGeeney. The Geezer himself. Like Vince McMahon 'wrestling' in WWE. The crowd would go wild. Dana White would orgasm to death.
Conor McGregor could be on the undercard.
This just in:
UFC spectacular set to rock Croke Park in Summer 2016by Mick Savage, Combat 18+ Magazine, July 15th, 2015Ireland is currently in the grip of UFC mania, and it looks like the fight the whole of the country wants to see is sensationally set to happen. The GAA and the UFC are said by sources close to both organisations to be "on the verge of agreement" about staging a title bout between hometown hero Davy Byrne and an as yet unnamed opponent from Armagh at Croke Park in the summer of 2016.
It's understood that after initially proving hostile to the idea, the GAA decided to investigate the possibility of staging the event in recent days, and progress has been swift.
Interest amongst the general public has been heightened to frenzied levels by a rumoured "underground" fight between Byrne and his unnamed opponent less than two weeks ago, prompted by Byrne calling his opponent "a juiced up pussy".
That fight was said by a source to be "f**king mad – the best fight you'll never see." Already thousands of people on the INTERNET are claiming they were there and know what happened, but the source says "they haven't a clue – it was a hundred times more vicious than everybody is saying. There was blood everywhere."
Byrne, known as the "Ballymun Brawler", is a known master of trash talking but has been noticeably silent as speculation has grown over the last few days.
But his manager Jim Gavin has revealed "there was a frank discussion between both fighters, and both agreed that it would be best for both parties if they kept quiet for the moment, but this fight is going to happen, make no mistake. "
"To make things fair, we've decided that neither fighter will have access to video footage of the other, and any existing video footage each fighter has of the other in action will be deleted to make sure of that."
"[REDACTED REDACTED f**king pussy REDACTED]", said Kieran McGeeney, a mixed martial arts guru who now who manages a stable of UFC fighters in Armagh.
It's not yet known who Byrne's opponent will be, but prominent candidates are thought to include "The Anonymous" Ciaran McKeever, Stephen "the SS Storm Trooper" Sheridan, Aidan "The Knife" Forker, James "The Fuel" Morgan and Kevin "Prepare To Die" Dyas.
"Croke Park will sell out for this fight, there's no question", said a UFC source.
If the rumoured spectacular happens, McGeeney will be hoping for a better outcome than on Sunday, when one of his protégés, Jamie "The Sniper" Clarke, lost out on points to Galway fighter Damien Comer, known as "The Baysht".
McGeeney's stable of fighters were all present and said to have taken the defeat badly, whereupon they are believed to have hoisted an effigy of Byrne on the nearest Loyalist bonfire before spending the night in Dublin, where they caused serious damage to the well known city centre pub "Davy Byrne's". CCTV footage of that incident is said to have already been deleted.
Quote from: joemamas on July 15, 2015, 01:32:25 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
I'd like to nominate Mickey Burke to represent Meath.
How about Marty Morrissey V Ger Canning on the undercard
Analysis by Joe Brolly. Sold!
I challenge Pat Spillane, here and now to a Masters' Melee. I don't care whether it's on the undercard or the overcard or on the halting site of his choice. I just want to f**k him up.
I challenge Martin McHugh to fight me in the inner chamber at Newgrange on the Winter Solstice.
I'll prove that the Celtic Tiger didn't make Meath men soft!
I would also like to nominate Ger Canning for the ice bucket challenge.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 15, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
This thread has serious potential.
Which is only starting to get realised now.
Good idea alright, first need to get approval of the Croke Park Residents Association, the Handball Club and of course a licence from Dublin City Council as we wouldn't want another Gareth Brooks debacle.May have to call it a "concert" to satisfy the objectors.
Tommy(Tom) Carr V Kevin McStay., there the sell out event there, if they beat the crap out of each other we not have to lsiten to them any more!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 15, 2015, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2015, 01:09:41 AM
The bans / fines handed out for the armagh v cavan game were a joke, plenty of games have similar incidents and nothing happens. Not saying that that's right but it should be consistent
Someone ending up in hospital though needs to be investigated.
Seeing as you have the inside scoop Indiana and Dublin did nothing wrong, can you explain why Dublin didn't make a complaint about one of their players ending up in hospital?
I'm sure you can do the maths on that one
The obvious reason is that Dublin have something to fear from an investigation but you seem to think that's not the case?? If not, then what's the reason??
Or are you just trying to sound mysterious when in reality you haven't a clue any more than the rest of us??
You have hit the mail on the head there
Interestinger and interestinger
What does Joe know?
Quote"Of course it was serious but if they are going to look at it, look at the whole video and see what happened, see how this started," said Kernan. "It's very simple." Asked if he was suggesting that the CCCC hadn't considered provocation or weren't in possession of footage of the build up to the incident, Kernan shrugged.
Also I don't think McGeeney will think much of his comments on Aaron's retirement and how Armagh will get on in Division 2 next year.
Quote"or are we a team still between Division Two and Division Three standard".
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-kernan-calls-on-gaa-to-watch-whole-video-of-byrne-row-1.2286193
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 15, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
Interestinger and interestinger
What does Joe know?
Quote"Of course it was serious but if they are going to look at it, look at the whole video and see what happened, see how this started," said Kernan. "It's very simple." Asked if he was suggesting that the CCCC hadn't considered provocation or weren't in possession of footage of the build up to the incident, Kernan shrugged.
Also I don't think McGeeney will think much of his comments on Aaron's retirement and how Armagh will get on in Division 2 next year.
Quote"or are we a team still between Division Two and Division Three standard".
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-kernan-calls-on-gaa-to-watch-whole-video-of-byrne-row-1.2286193
Do not think he said anything that anyone in Armagh, including team management, do not think themselves.
As for Aaron. I would hope he would follow Andy Mallon's lead and return after taking a year out.
Realistically there is no chance of Aaron signing up for another year with Armagh
Quote from: Throw ball on July 16, 2015, 12:31:49 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 15, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
Interestinger and interestinger
What does Joe know?
Quote"Of course it was serious but if they are going to look at it, look at the whole video and see what happened, see how this started," said Kernan. "It's very simple." Asked if he was suggesting that the CCCC hadn't considered provocation or weren't in possession of footage of the build up to the incident, Kernan shrugged.
Also I don't think McGeeney will think much of his comments on Aaron's retirement and how Armagh will get on in Division 2 next year.
Quote"or are we a team still between Division Two and Division Three standard".
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-kernan-calls-on-gaa-to-watch-whole-video-of-byrne-row-1.2286193
Do not think he said anything that anyone in Armagh, including team management, do not think themselves.
As for Aaron. I would hope he would follow Andy Mallon's lead and return after taking a year out.
Wouldn't disagree with Joe.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 15, 2015, 10:30:29 PM
Interestinger and interestinger
What does Joe know?
Quote"Of course it was serious but if they are going to look at it, look at the whole video and see what happened, see how this started," said Kernan. "It's very simple." Asked if he was suggesting that the CCCC hadn't considered provocation or weren't in possession of footage of the build up to the incident, Kernan shrugged.
Also I don't think McGeeney will think much of his comments on Aaron's retirement and how Armagh will get on in Division 2 next year.
Quote"or are we a team still between Division Two and Division Three standard".
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-kernan-calls-on-gaa-to-watch-whole-video-of-byrne-row-1.2286193
What do you think ? he has a son on the panel !!!!!!!!!!!!!! an ego as big as his belly
The Armagh and Dublin county boards have until Monday to challenge the proposed fines handed down to them by the Central Competitions Control Committee for the incident which left Dublin's Davey Byrne with serious facial injuries.
Each county has three working days to call for a hearing and challenge that proposal, but it remains unclear which course of action either will take. The GAA are unable to comment on proceedings until they are concluded and a figure for the fines imposed remains unconfirmed.
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
The Armagh and Dublin county boards have until Monday to challenge the proposed fines handed down to them by the Central Competitions Control Committee for the incident which left Dublin's Davey Byrne with serious facial injuries.
Each county has three working days to call for a hearing and challenge that proposal, but it remains unclear which course of action either will take. The GAA are unable to comment on proceedings until they are concluded and a figure for the fines imposed remains unconfirmed.
All sounds a bit "rug, rug, sweep, sweep" to me.
So the county boards are getting fined for a brawl but no player is punished for misbehaving...
Fines for the county boards and no penalties for the people involved in the "incident"?
This is a total white wash
Monaghan and Kildare both got €5,000 fines for this brawl ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcodTHu4Vi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcodTHu4Vi8)
Don`t appeal it, you`ll lose home advantage for your next challenge game!!
More to that row than Armagh Dublin
What did they get fined for exactly and on what basis ??
I am so over this story.
(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/z/zf/fark_zfWOyEhykBYZBWkaTy1ngH-MxYU.jpg?t=LqeeLkjjlme2063UQB1zcw&f=1437969600)
I would just McClean on this thead. There are just not enough mentions of the lad on this forum. More threads required on the subject.
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 23, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
The Armagh and Dublin county boards have until Monday to challenge the proposed fines handed down to them by the Central Competitions Control Committee for the incident which left Dublin's Davey Byrne with serious facial injuries.
Each county has three working days to call for a hearing and challenge that proposal, but it remains unclear which course of action either will take. The GAA are unable to comment on proceedings until they are concluded and a figure for the fines imposed remains unconfirmed.
All sounds a bit "rug, rug, sweep, sweep" to me.
So the county boards are getting fined for a brawl but no player is punished for misbehaving...
Does anybody know ehat the fines are for?
Fines for both sides indicates findings of wrong doing on both sides.
The fine cannot be for the incident. Nobody could stand over a system that says box the face off some lad and we will fine your county board.
The implication is therefore that the 2 sides have been fined for not complying with the investigation. If this is case then someone should come out and say it as the 2 sides should face the public ridicule that goes with such a finding
Sure get Bernstein and Woodward on the case.
Quote from: Armamike on July 25, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
Sure get Bernstein and Woodward on the case.
Or sweep it under the carpet? Surely you have enough imagination to think they might not be the only 2 options?
Quote from: smelmoth on July 25, 2015, 07:00:56 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on July 23, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: orangeman on July 23, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
The Armagh and Dublin county boards have until Monday to challenge the proposed fines handed down to them by the Central Competitions Control Committee for the incident which left Dublin's Davey Byrne with serious facial injuries.
Each county has three working days to call for a hearing and challenge that proposal, but it remains unclear which course of action either will take. The GAA are unable to comment on proceedings until they are concluded and a figure for the fines imposed remains unconfirmed.
All sounds a bit "rug, rug, sweep, sweep" to me.
So the county boards are getting fined for a brawl but no player is punished for misbehaving...
Does anybody know ehat the fines are for?
Fines for both sides indicates findings of wrong doing on both sides.
The fine cannot be for the incident. Nobody could stand over a system that says box the face off some lad and we will fine your county board.
The implication is therefore that the 2 sides have been fined for not complying with the investigation. If this is case then someone should come out and say it as the 2 sides should face the public ridicule that goes with such a finding
has there been anything in the media that outlines what the offence is?
I'm sorry I started this !!
€10,000 fines for both counties for an incident at a challenge match is ridiculous. For Dublin it's probably the price of their pre-prepared meals for the month but for Armagh it's a heavy blow, in fact the size of the fine is unprecedented as far as I know. GAAMaking up the rules as they go along again.
In fairness ye didn't get fined for dumping your bus toilet outside Athleague GAA two years ago so it's not like you haven't snuck the other side of the hammer at times..
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 06:03:51 PM
€10,000 fines for both counties for an incident at a challenge match is ridiculous. For Dublin it's probably the price of their pre-prepared meals for the month but for Armagh it's a heavy blow, in fact the size of the fine is unprecedented as far as I know. GAAMaking up the rules as they go along again.
How have Dublin been fined the same amount as Armagh? Didn't hear about any Armagh players left in a state as bad as your man Byrne.
As for the GAA, the fines they dream up are a disgrace when you consider its an amateur sport. Just interested in the money.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2015, 06:11:17 PM
In fairness ye didn't get fined for dumping your bus toilet outside Athleague GAA two years ago so it's not like you haven't snuck the other side of the hammer at times..
Jasus sweet Christ will u ever let that go FFS ::). Poison.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2015, 08:35:19 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2015, 06:03:51 PM
€10,000 fines for both counties for an incident at a challenge match is ridiculous. For Dublin it's probably the price of their pre-prepared meals for the month but for Armagh it's a heavy blow, in fact the size of the fine is unprecedented as far as I know. GAAMaking up the rules as they go along again.
How have Dublin been fined the same amount as Armagh? Didn't hear about any Armagh players left in a state as bad as your man Byrne.
As for the GAA, the fines they dream up are a disgrace when you consider its an amateur sport. Just interested in the money.
a made up scenario: player a punches player b a couple of times, hitting him on the forehead, player b retaliates and hits player a flush on the jaw and breaks it. Do we fine player player b's county more because there was more damage?
By Niall McCoy
ARMAGH attacker Eugene McVerry is today undergoing surgery in the Ulster Hospital for a suspected broken jaw following an incident in a club game last night.
McVerry, who leads the Mullaghbawn attack, suffered the injury early in the second half of their intermediate league clash with Clann Eireann and immediately left the pith and went to hospital.
A Clann Eireann player also suffered serious facial injuries during the game. One player from each side, not including McVerry, was sent off with Clann Eireann eventually running out comfortable winners.
- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/08/armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw/#sthash.0urxVxIT.dpuf
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
By Niall McCoy
ARMAGH attacker Eugene McVerry is today undergoing surgery in the Ulster Hospital for a suspected broken jaw following an incident in a club game last night.
McVerry, who leads the Mullaghbawn attack, suffered the injury early in the second half of their intermediate league clash with Clann Eireann and immediately left the pith and went to hospital.
A Clann Eireann player also suffered serious facial injuries during the game. One player from each side, not including McVerry, was sent off with Clann Eireann eventually running out comfortable winners.
- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/08/armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw/#sthash.0urxVxIT.dpuf
But how did a Dublin player get to be playing in an Armagh Championship game? Though Kieran McGeeney did play for Na Fianna in Dublin before so the reverse must be possible.
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
By Niall McCoy
ARMAGH attacker Eugene McVerry is today undergoing surgery in the Ulster Hospital for a suspected broken jaw following an incident in a club game last night.
McVerry, who leads the Mullaghbawn attack, suffered the injury early in the second half of their intermediate league clash with Clann Eireann and immediately left the pith and went to hospital.
A Clann Eireann player also suffered serious facial injuries during the game. One player from each side, not including McVerry, was sent off with Clann Eireann eventually running out comfortable winners.
- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/08/armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw/#sthash.0urxVxIT.dpuf
"armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw"
That is a crap headline.
McVerry Sore! - would be far better.
Quote from: muppet on August 07, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: Sidney on August 06, 2015, 01:35:53 PM
By Niall McCoy
ARMAGH attacker Eugene McVerry is today undergoing surgery in the Ulster Hospital for a suspected broken jaw following an incident in a club game last night.
McVerry, who leads the Mullaghbawn attack, suffered the injury early in the second half of their intermediate league clash with Clann Eireann and immediately left the pith and went to hospital.
A Clann Eireann player also suffered serious facial injuries during the game. One player from each side, not including McVerry, was sent off with Clann Eireann eventually running out comfortable winners.
- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2015/08/armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw/#sthash.0urxVxIT.dpuf
"armagh-player-suffers-suspected-broken-jaw"
That is a crap headline.
McVerry Sore! - would be far better.
Good one.
I must admit though I had to read the last line out loud to get the full effect!