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trueblue1234

Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
It's all about the pound, their current leadership is totally inept.

They don't draw a wage from Westminster.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

t_mac

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
There's no time for it now even if it was.
However if there's a GE they should get together with SDLP/Alliance/Greens to field only 1 Candidate in any place where there's a hope if unseating a Inionist.

Would never happen shinners don't do compromise they are as intransigent as DUP.

Absolute not true. SF proposed a pact with the Sdlp in...2010? SF stood aside in south belfast, and asked would Sdlp do that same in FST.

The stoops said no, SF stood aside regardless.

Your hatred for all things SF, which you are entitled to have of course, is clouding your judgement. Same as trailer who would blame a no deal Brexit on the shinners!

This is a seat they hadn't or haven't a mission of winning, big of them.

RedHand88

Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
There's no time for it now even if it was.
However if there's a GE they should get together with SDLP/Alliance/Greens to field only 1 Candidate in any place where there's a hope if unseating a Inionist.

Would never happen shinners don't do compromise they are as intransigent as DUP.

Absolute not true. SF proposed a pact with the Sdlp in...2010? SF stood aside in south belfast, and asked would Sdlp do that same in FST.

The stoops said no, SF stood aside regardless.

Your hatred for all things SF, which you are entitled to have of course, is clouding your judgement. Same as trailer who would blame a no deal Brexit on the shinners!

This is a seat they hadn't or haven't a mission of winning, big of them.

At that time, that would be correct. However, SF standing aside allowed big Al to hold the seat without any fuss.
Pity the same couldn't be said for SDLP in FST that year. Stubborn party who don't do compromise.

t_mac

Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 29, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
It's all about the pound, their current leadership is totally inept.

They don't draw a wage from Westminster.

But claim hundreds of thousands of pound a year in expenses, nice representative money for doing f**k all.

t_mac

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
There's no time for it now even if it was.
However if there's a GE they should get together with SDLP/Alliance/Greens to field only 1 Candidate in any place where there's a hope if unseating a Inionist.

Would never happen shinners don't do compromise they are as intransigent as DUP.

Absolute not true. SF proposed a pact with the Sdlp in...2010? SF stood aside in south belfast, and asked would Sdlp do that same in FST.

The stoops said no, SF stood aside regardless.

Your hatred for all things SF, which you are entitled to have of course, is clouding your judgement. Same as trailer who would blame a no deal Brexit on the shinners!

This is a seat they hadn't or haven't a mission of winning, big of them.

At that time, that would be correct. However, SF standing aside allowed big Al to hold the seat without any fuss.
Pity the same couldn't be said for SDLP in FST that year. Stubborn party who don't do compromise.

Why would they, the shinners don't take their seats so give them a free run not to represent their electorate. ::)

sensethetone

Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
There's no time for it now even if it was.
However if there's a GE they should get together with SDLP/Alliance/Greens to field only 1 Candidate in any place where there's a hope if unseating a Inionist.

Would never happen shinners don't do compromise they are as intransigent as DUP.

Absolute not true. SF proposed a pact with the Sdlp in...2010? SF stood aside in south belfast, and asked would Sdlp do that same in FST.

The stoops said no, SF stood aside regardless.

Your hatred for all things SF, which you are entitled to have of course, is clouding your judgement. Same as trailer who would blame a no deal Brexit on the shinners!

This is a seat they hadn't or haven't a mission of winning, big of them.

At that time, that would be correct. However, SF standing aside allowed big Al to hold the seat without any fuss.
Pity the same couldn't be said for SDLP in FST that year. Stubborn party who don't do compromise.

Why would they, the shinners don't take their seats so give them a free run not to represent their electorate. ::)

The ppl know the score when they vote.

t_mac

Quote from: sensethetone on August 29, 2019, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 11:51:05 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 29, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
There's no time for it now even if it was.
However if there's a GE they should get together with SDLP/Alliance/Greens to field only 1 Candidate in any place where there's a hope if unseating a Inionist.

Would never happen shinners don't do compromise they are as intransigent as DUP.

Absolute not true. SF proposed a pact with the Sdlp in...2010? SF stood aside in south belfast, and asked would Sdlp do that same in FST.

The stoops said no, SF stood aside regardless.

Your hatred for all things SF, which you are entitled to have of course, is clouding your judgement. Same as trailer who would blame a no deal Brexit on the shinners!

This is a seat they hadn't or haven't a mission of winning, big of them.

At that time, that would be correct. However, SF standing aside allowed big Al to hold the seat without any fuss.
Pity the same couldn't be said for SDLP in FST that year. Stubborn party who don't do compromise.

Why would they, the shinners don't take their seats so give them a free run not to represent their electorate. ::)

The ppl know the score when they vote.

In which case Bojo is correct in his methods 52% voted out so just leave with no deal, the people knew the score when they voted.

red hander

Quote from: Franko on August 29, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 28, 2019, 09:50:04 PM
If only Sinn Fein would get up and help the people. They'll be guilty if a No-Deal happens.

I was waiting to see what idiot made this argument.

Congrats.

You won.

You wouldn't have got a decent price on that clown, he was odds-on favourite.

I'd like to congratulate Johnson, he's just sounded the death-knell for the 'precious Union' ... an industrial-sized carton of popcorn ordered to sit back and watch this clusterfcuk develop over the coming two months. And Arlene, don't let the door hit you on the way out when we get our country back at last from thieving Planters

screenexile

Quote from: red hander on August 29, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 29, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 28, 2019, 09:50:04 PM
If only Sinn Fein would get up and help the people. They'll be guilty if a No-Deal happens.

I was waiting to see what idiot made this argument.

Congrats.

You won.

You wouldn't have got a decent price on that clown, he was odds-on favourite.

I'd like to congratulate Johnson, he's just sounded the death-knell for the 'precious Union' ... an industrial-sized carton of popcorn ordered to sit back and watch this clusterfcuk develop over the coming two months. And Arlene, don't let the door hit you on the way out when we get our country back at last from thieving Planters

Except for those of us whose jobs will be affected by no deal but sure you enjoy yourself there!!  ::) ::)

RedHand88

#7884
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 29, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
It's all about the pound, their current leadership is totally inept.

They don't draw a wage from Westminster.

But claim hundreds of thousands of pound a year in expenses, nice representative money for doing f**k all.

Have you ever been inside a constituency office or see what goes on? Do you really think the 7 MPs are on holiday all year round? Really???

Social media would be enough to tell you that they aren't sitting on their hands. They do everything except enter the chamber.

t_mac

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 29, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 02:28:13 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 29, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 01:35:01 PM
It's all about the pound, their current leadership is totally inept.

They don't draw a wage from Westminster.

But claim hundreds of thousands of pound a year in expenses, nice representative money for doing f**k all.

Have you ever been inside a constituency office or see what goes on? Do you really think the 7 MPs are on holiday all year round? Really???

Absolutely not, I see them at the odd commemoration now and again.

t_mac

Quote from: screenexile on August 29, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 29, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 29, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 28, 2019, 09:50:04 PM
If only Sinn Fein would get up and help the people. They'll be guilty if a No-Deal happens.

I was waiting to see what idiot made this argument.

Congrats.

You won.

You wouldn't have got a decent price on that clown, he was odds-on favourite.

I'd like to congratulate Johnson, he's just sounded the death-knell for the 'precious Union' ... an industrial-sized carton of popcorn ordered to sit back and watch this clusterfcuk develop over the coming two months. And Arlene, don't let the door hit you on the way out when we get our country back at last from thieving Planters

Except for those of us whose jobs will be affected by no deal but sure you enjoy yourself there!!  ::) ::)

We ourselves alone, f**k everyone else attitude.

charlieTully

Quote from: t_mac on August 29, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 29, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 29, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 29, 2019, 10:23:38 AM
Quote from: trailer on August 28, 2019, 09:50:04 PM
If only Sinn Fein would get up and help the people. They'll be guilty if a No-Deal happens.

I was waiting to see what idiot made this argument.

Congrats.

You won.

You wouldn't have got a decent price on that clown, he was odds-on favourite.

I'd like to congratulate Johnson, he's just sounded the death-knell for the 'precious Union' ... an industrial-sized carton of popcorn ordered to sit back and watch this clusterfcuk develop over the coming two months. And Arlene, don't let the door hit you on the way out when we get our country back at last from thieving Planters

Except for those of us whose jobs will be affected by no deal but sure you enjoy yourself there!!  ::) ::)

We ourselves alone, f**k everyone else attitude.

All 225,000 of us.

easytiger95

Read the tea leaves here guys - Johnson seems buoyed by his visits to Europe - Merkel and Macron (wisely) didn't go too hard on him. It as  likely that prorogation is about getting a deal rather than forcing through a no deal.

Bojo shuts up shop without a legislative bar on no deal and without a no confidence vote being laid (Labour still not sure of their numbers or the number of Tory rebels) then goes into the tunnel and comes out with a donkey dressed as a unicorn - something like a time limited back stop (DUP can get on board with it but because the backstop couldn't conceivably start until after the transition period, even a five year limit gets us up to at least 2027) or an agribusiness only backstop (more difficult for the DUP and for us but still a runner) or full NI backstop if needed but with a NI only referendum promised to decide when to leave a backstop (more dangerous for the DUPers as it would become a proxy border poll).

Anyhow, he gets the DUP onside, loses perhaps 20-30 ERG members but gains enough Labour rebels either terrified of the ticking clock or fed up of Corbyn's backsliding towards a referendum. Job's a good un because no one has enough time to game it out, it's Noel Edwards time.

Long term the DUP are still doomed because even the best Brexit is worse than full EU membership (and even in a backstop there is going to be enough people in NI with UK passports getting delayed at Benidorm with sterling at parity or worse with the Euro, to be complaining). They are locked tight to Brexit at that stage, and lets face it, that's like having concrete slippers and going for a swim.

Or Boris could go into the tunnel and get scared himself, bring back the withdrawal agreement with an NI only backstop as originally envisaged, knife the DUP, and hope that he has enough scared Labour rebels to back him. Either way the DUP are screwed as an electoral force longterm. Their incompetence on this will not be forgotten.

So overall, I reckon that whilst the chance of no deal has increased considerably (if you try and rob a bank with an imitation gun, there's always a chance someone will shoot you) but I think Johnson's intentions are still to get a deal - he just has to scare the bejesus out of everyone to get enough votes for it.

Still don't see what SF could add to this - they would have loads to lose and nothing to gain - except if they see Remainer slippage to the Alliance, but even then it costs them too much to go to Westminster so they should stay where they are.

trailer

SF didn't campaign for a remain vote. Now they won't help to stop no deal. It's as if they want Brexit. Oh yeah, that's right, they actually sit with the communists in the EU and actively campaigned for a NO VOTE IN EVERY SINGLE EU REFERENDUM.

But yeah, I'm an arsehole and SF are out to actually help the people.

BTW SF didn't offer a pack on FST or SB.