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sid waddell

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
The Kyle/Wilson amendment is by far the most sensible way out of this.

Pailiament vote for the deal on the proviso that the deal has to pass a referendum in order to be implemented.

If it loses the referendum, the UK remains in the EU and Brexit, like Basil Fawlty's duck, is off.

It's far too sensible, which is why it has no chance.

No deal is perilously close now.

seafoid

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
If May drops the red lines other options become available. It's not just no deal or her deal
If her deal is rejected for the 3rd time a gamechanger will have to happen - GE, Referendum or cross party effort for a new Brexit.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

Quote from: sid waddell on March 20, 2019, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
The Kyle/Wilson amendment is by far the most sensible way out of this.

Pailiament vote for the deal on the proviso that the deal has to pass a referendum in order to be implemented.

If it loses the referendum, the UK remains in the EU and Brexit, like Basil Fawlty's duck, is off.

It's far too sensible, which is why it has no chance.

No deal is perilously close now.
No deal would be suicidal for the Tories
If the Winter of discontent made Labour unelectable for 18 years No deal would be worth at least 36
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

yellowcard

Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
If May drops the red lines other options become available. It's not just no deal or her deal
If her deal is rejected for the 3rd time a gamechanger will have to happen - GE, Referendum or cross party effort for a new Brexit.

Indeed, but the cross party effort looks unlikely in the space of a few days. The legal default remains that a no deal will occur next Friday (I still think this is highly unlikely myself and the EU have refused to call the British bluff on this a long time ago.

If the deal doesn't pass parliament next week then we are likely looking at a long extension with the prospect of a different type of Brexit and a general election. I don't think a second referendum will happen either.

The attention will turn back to ERG/DUP again and I see that Arlene Foster released a statement saying that she wants Theresa May to go back and renegotiate the WA again!! I think all the participants in the process are trying to point fingers at each other in what has become the Blame Game for an entire process gone drastically wrong.   

sid waddell

Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 20, 2019, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
The Kyle/Wilson amendment is by far the most sensible way out of this.

Pailiament vote for the deal on the proviso that the deal has to pass a referendum in order to be implemented.

If it loses the referendum, the UK remains in the EU and Brexit, like Basil Fawlty's duck, is off.

It's far too sensible, which is why it has no chance.

No deal is perilously close now.
No deal would be suicidal for the Tories
If the Winter of discontent made Labour unelectable for 18 years No deal would be worth at least 36
You'd be amazed at how much of a self-perpetuating bubble reactionary right-wing ideology (read: "fascism") is.

A fascist can use literally anything to justify to themselves that they are right.

Look at the Christchurch massacre and the reaction to it by fascists.

A fascist will tell you tomorrow is Sunday. Never mind that tomorrow is actually Thursday, it's definitely, definitely, definitely Sunday.


seafoid

Quote from: sid waddell on March 20, 2019, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 20, 2019, 05:11:29 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 20, 2019, 04:11:29 PM
Tusk just now

Extension provided the HoC votes for the Withdrawal agreement

Only if the deal is passed before next Friday. Which again make chances of a no deal increase, EU have effectively issued the House of Commons an ultimatum. Back May's deal next week or crash out. She has called a press conference at Downing Street for this evening. Perhaps she will offer to resign or call an election.
The Kyle/Wilson amendment is by far the most sensible way out of this.

Pailiament vote for the deal on the proviso that the deal has to pass a referendum in order to be implemented.

If it loses the referendum, the UK remains in the EU and Brexit, like Basil Fawlty's duck, is off.

It's far too sensible, which is why it has no chance.

No deal is perilously close now.
No deal would be suicidal for the Tories
If the Winter of discontent made Labour unelectable for 18 years No deal would be worth at least 36
You'd be amazed at how much of a self-perpetuating bubble reactionary right-wing ideology (read: "fascism") is.

A fascist can use literally anything to justify to themselves that they are right.

Look at the Christchurch massacre and the reaction to it by fascists.

A fascist will tell you tomorrow is Sunday. Never mind that tomorrow is actually Thursday, it's definitely, definitely, definitely Sunday.

They don't have a majority. They are fascists but they are only 80 out of over 600. And they whine a lot

We must stand firm and reject Theresa May's Brexit deal or we will live to regret it
•   
Steve Baker
20 March 2019 • 6:00am
The one advantage of the Cabinet's Withdrawal Agreement is that it would allow us to claim Brexit on March 29. Of course, some colleagues are attracted to it – but the British people have already spotted a dud deal.
According to ComRes polling yesterday, 54 per cent say it does not deliver. Just 14 per cent approve. If we put this agreement through and Theresa May negotiates the future relationship as hopelessly as our withdrawal, we will find ourselves with all the disadvantages of membership and none of the advantages of Brexit.
I understand my Conservative colleagues want to say they have delivered Brexit for fear of voter backlash and I understand the nation is crying out for progress, but this deal would backfire terribly by the next election.
Voting for this deal is not pragmatism. It is the reverse. It would be an understandable but counterproductive surrender for immediate respite.
The pragmatic, realistic response to the deal is to keep clearly in sight what it does, what it will stop us from doing in future and the impossibility of escape from it, once we have locked the door on ourselves.
Leavers cannot be responsible for the actions of pro-EU fanatics determined to overthrow the foundations of our democracy, whether they attack the mandate of the voters, the procedures of the House of Commons or the ministerial code. Some of us will not be forced to share responsibility with them for overturning not just the decision of 17.4  million people, but the legitimacy of our entire system. That is what we will have done if we convert a clear instruction to take back control into a further surrender of our capacity for self-government, forever.
Elected politicians asked the public to choose. All sides said we would honour their decision. They chose independence, despite every horror placed before them, and we stood on manifestos fulfilling that choice. Yet since Chequers it can be seen our fearful Establishment intends us to be a satellite of the EU, locked in a decaying orbit with no way out.
If we vote for this deal, we will have locked ourselves in a prison with no voice and no exit. We will escape only with the permission of those whose authority we rejected. The PM won't resign if the agreement goes through. She will stay and drag us miserably into deeper political disaster.
Practical politicians looking to the future must resist pressure and stop this deal. And it will not be stopped now or in the future by voting for it. This is reality and foresight. It is not self-indulgence or ideology but a practical grasp of what lies ahead.
Perhaps as some suggest, we are defeated, brought into a clever catch-22 with no good choices. But we were not outmanoeuvred. We were outnumbered. Always. From the start and regardless of the election. A determined minority of Conservative and Labour MPs has fought a sustained rearguard action all the way through. If, in the end, we are beaten by those numbers, there will be no shame in it.
But we are not beaten yet. Soon the EU27 will realise that there are those politicians in the UK who, together with a majority of the voters, will not "come to heel". The EU will discover a strategy founded on our capitulation has not worked. They will see they cannot afford no-deal as they head into a European Parliament election already bound to undermine further integration. That's why now more than ever the Prime Minister should change policy. At this European Council, it is time to strictly limit the length of the "Implementation Period" and to replace the backstop with alternative arrangements on the Irish border which can endure indefinitely between our two territories in a spirit of friendship, goodwill and trust.
In the midst of a deep political crisis following naturally from intolerable policy choices, the exit is clear – either revise the Withdrawal Agreement to deliver self-government, or exit on World Trade Organisation terms while offering to negotiate the EU's proposal of last March. Any other course would be open to political failure.
Steve Baker is the MP for Wycombe
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Denn Forever

QuoteBlame Game for an entire process gone drastically wrong.   
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It should be good when it come back.  I must admit I do enjoy SBP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQSZPkEw_OE

I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

RedHand88

Official UK Government spokesperson Leo Varadkar announcing in a press conference that May will address the nation tonight.

He consistently finds a way to get one over on them.

Farrandeelin

What a farce of a statement.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

gallsman

Hahaha, Corbyn walked out of a cross bench meeting of senior figures because Chuka Umunna.

He is a petulant cold who must be desperate for this mess to keep going as it continues to mask (to an extent) just how incompetent he is as well.

mouview

End is very, very close for May now. Incendiary statement attacking other MPs for not voting for the deal. Provoking *ahem* mayhem in the HoC. One MP has tweeted some of them have been subjected to death threats, thanks pretty much to her incompetence. Dominic Grieve lacerated her in a great speech to the house. If she lasts through next week, I'd be highly surprised.

Don't think Tusk should have issued that ultimatum however; it just gives more fuel to the ERG not to back her deal as they can see how close they are to their cherished crash-out. Even at 1/2 (PPs, hasn't budged all day), MV3 not been carried is surely money in the pocket?

seafoid

I'd  say this is the last chance for the Tories to own Brexit.
If the deal is rejected again Grieve and co will have to vote with the opposition
to start a new process and avoid No Deal.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

#6972
Quote from: mouview on March 20, 2019, 10:56:46 PM
End is very, very close for May now. Incendiary statement attacking other MPs for not voting for the deal. Provoking *ahem* mayhem in the HoC. One MP has tweeted some of them have been subjected to death threats, thanks pretty much to her incompetence. Dominic Grieve lacerated her in a great speech to the house. If she lasts through next week, I'd be highly surprised.

Don't think Tusk should have issued that ultimatum however
; it just gives more fuel to the ERG not to back her deal as they can see how close they are to their cherished crash-out. Even at 1/2 (PPs, hasn't budged all day), MV3 not been carried is surely money in the pocket?

That requirement for the extension "only" if May's deal passing the house of commons next week is not an EU requirement, it was specified in May's letter to the EU when she requested the possibility of an extension to get legislation through the house if her deal gets passed.

If the deal doesn't get enough votes then there's no extension in place. She hasn't requested one for that scenario.
She's some bollox.

Some Belgian EU official (philippe lamberts) on Radio Ulster last night about 5 O'Clock was making that abundantly clear and then went on to call some Tory politicians as lunatics and didn't go down well with Seamus...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0003dnf  35 minutes in.



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