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#1
Quote from: trailer on March 02, 2024, 09:47:31 PMHaving a favourite U2 song is like having a favourite type of death.

When yours comes along it'll be the top of the pile ;D
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 02, 2024, 06:31:08 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 02, 2024, 06:22:13 PMThat is a thing for me... Derry don't look as physically strong. They're actually more mobile than I thought though.

Noticed that today at an under 20 game with both teams.. physically, Dublin at different level of physical strength
#3
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 02, 2024, 06:10:40 PM
That shot was going wide from McGuigan

Should have went on in
#4
GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2024
March 02, 2024, 05:39:28 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 02, 2024, 05:38:31 PMReasonably happy with that given we've half a team on!

Not to say the Dubs won't run riot in the second half!



Was the wind with Dublin?

One point from play is some defending
#5
City will drops point's tomorrow
#6
Still in Liverpools hands?
#7
Think it's time for big Virgil
#8
Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2024
March 02, 2024, 04:24:27 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 03:11:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?

I think they are unsure and in most cases give the benefit of the doubt to keep the game flowing, as thats what we want right?. If your happy with that then why not just allow throws altogether? More to the point is that even if theres a mm of space between the ball and the hand its just too easy and its why there needs to be change. Hurling was always a game of skill and Im sorry to say these kind of handpasses (not all) are at the very low end of the skills.

There's a simple rule in refereeing

If you can't see it you can't call it.

The flow of the game is generally down to the players tbf

Hand passing is an integral part of hurling and done right it can split defences and goals come from that quick pass.

Throws can't be allowed, as it leaves it wide open
#9
Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling 2024
March 02, 2024, 02:12:06 PM
Quote from: didlyi on March 02, 2024, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 01, 2024, 08:40:45 PMThere's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?
#10
The figures being banded about are crazy...

But don't kid yourselves that the money if not put into Casement will be used for hospitals nurses education and other worthwhile causes.

And Casement will never be built in any form. If this is delayed cancelled then the money that'll be used for planning, new designs and the like will not be there. The 15 million that the GAA have promised wouldn't be enough to demolish the place
#11
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 02, 2024, 07:16:48 AMI was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.

Yeah I'm sure that's acceptable
#12
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on March 02, 2024, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 01, 2024, 11:54:02 PMBut you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

You do realise there is a far larger maintenance cost associated to all the above than some bog basic terraced stadium? Since the stadium is constructed at a similar price to the GAA regardless of whether its all-singing or basic, its the on going maintenance costs I'm concerned with.

For instance, those (unneeded) additional areas do not require upkeep, you don't need to periodically check the wiring, fire alarms etc on rooms that don't exist, nor do you need to clean them. Cleaning of terracing after games requires a fraction of the time. You've no seats to replace on terracing.

In the 2019 financial report - first one I got on google - Croke park had a stadium & admin expense of ~€6.2m. Heat/Light/Power was an additional €1m. Staff costs were ~€2.8m.

That is approx €10m to run the stadium. The latter two would be more direct functions of how many events are on - so will disregard them. If we reasonably assume that the stadium/admin costs are directly related to size, then Casement would be approx 40% Croke's maintenance cost - or €2.6m in 2019 prices.

So Ulster Council will need to raise somewhere in the region of €2.6m (2019 prices) after direct operating costs just to upkeep the stadium.

In 2019, Croke had 28 games and 3 concerts to deliver a gross income of around €29m. (total expenses to do that were €17m. We'll remove the "fixed" €~6.2m I mentioned above from this)

So they made approx €580k per game. We'll not factor by size to be favourable to Casement. It still means Ulster council need to fill or nearly fill Casement 4.5 times a year just to keep the stadium.

Needless to say, they won't be able to do this.



It. Doesn't. Fukking. Add. Up.

The wolf tones will fill it once a year  ;D
#13
GAA Discussion / Re: The Advanced Mark
March 02, 2024, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: onefineday on March 02, 2024, 07:55:12 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 29, 2024, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 29, 2024, 08:20:43 PMSurely the 5 sec idea is a wind up? Boys could sprint  from the end line to near the 45m in 5 secs

Sure they are doing that now lol
Probably the right direction, but as jog2 points out is 5 secs too long?

Possibly, if you shouted a time, be it 3 or 4 seconds at least they'll hear and release the ball, I do 'inform' players to play the ball, a warning, generally in juvenile games but have done it in senior games, bitta coaching you may say
#14
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 01, 2024, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 01, 2024, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2024, 05:08:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 26, 2024, 02:38:29 PMI thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that
This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in
In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

I could 'drop' the ball not bounce it, palm it into the net and that's allowed

It's the definition of drop rather than bounce that the ref will decide.
#15
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
March 01, 2024, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on March 01, 2024, 09:39:25 PMFixtures are up
Nearly all Wednesdays
9 I think


Great for weekends away thankfully