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[Dublin were no bad team last year. The All Ireland champions beat them by a point in a game that could have gone either way.]

Done Dublin no harm

They've been able to strengthen their squad this year, I know players have come back in, but they have got more football into younger players

Dublin were no bad team last year. The All Ireland champions beat them by a point in a game that could have gone either way.

I don't see how division 2 improves you.

Very true, only for Niall Scully's head-stagger in the dying embers to swing for that reckless point, giving Kerry the initiative to get the ball down the other end, where Seán Ó Sé delivered that exocet of a free to clinch it.

I think we, with our rather abysmal display, painted the Kerry midfield in a fairly decent light, when in fact I think they're quite suspect, and I expect Fenton and Howard to expose that on Sunday.

Looking at the replay of the Kerry keeper clattering into McGuigan and he knew exactly what he was doing. Another faux pas by McQuillan.
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Yep, as cynical a piece of taking a player out as you'll see -- the Ciarraí buachaillí know well what they're at.

You'd look at that game today and think Derry definitely would have beaten us by 6 minimum again this year in the championship.

Much faster in transition and hungrier.

Hard to argue with that assessment, in reality.

Hope the Dubs win, like to see McCarthy get number 9!

See, that's the perennial Mayo problem right there! Hoping the Dubs win FFS! 

Jack O'Connor in third stint as kerry manager. Has 4 All Ireland medals as kerry manager. He is level behind the great Sean Boylan 2  behind Jim Gavin 4 behind  Mick O'Dwyer.  Can Jack beat the legendary Mick O'Dwyer record? He has Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan, Gavin White, Diarmuid O'Connor, Sean O'Shea,  David and Paudie Clifford coming into their prime.

He will become first kerry manager to win back to back All Ireland titles since Micko.Only matter of time before Jacko succeeds.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship_winning_managers

Brilliant, just what everyone here needs -- another thread in eulogy to some Kerry buachaill or other FFS!

Dubs will handle Ciarraí in the AIF -- the Muckers have shown the way.

Nil me ceaptha. Ciarrai are younger.

Nach éa, i ndáiríre?

Is ea. Ambaiste!

Seafóid a chara! 

Dubs will handle Ciarraí in the AIF -- the Muckers have shown the way.

Nil me ceaptha. Ciarrai are younger.

Nach éa, i ndáiríre?

Dubs will handle Ciarraí in the AIF -- the Muckers have shown the way.

For Derry to have any real chance here today, they'll need to inflict themselves manically on Kerry, just as Tyrone did in the 2003 AISF -- easier said than done, for sure, but business as usual just won't cut it, I'd say.

That (dirty oul) day reminds me of 2008, with a Dub loudly insisting beforehand that they had to beat us, since they (Dublin) were the only team that could beat Kerry -- that didn't turn out quite as he had predicted! 

[that Dublin absolutely destroyed you in the second half of the league final. Con O'Callaghan tore you apart.]

One thing, and I say this as someone who favours Derry, that sticks out to me on this forum is that there seems little acceptance that Dublin absolutely destroyed you in the second half of the league final. Con O'Callaghan tore you apart. There could have been eight goals but there seems to be an excuse for every goal.
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Ah, but there's now a Tír Eoghain man in (sole) charge: he'll fix that! 

Wrong board lads - no one nationally gives a flying feck! 

Just an observation, is that allowed, like?

[with 2 great players]

From my reading of this thread some Derry posters seem to think they've been poor to middling for most of the year, yet in the same breath think there's exponential room for improvement & it will all come good v Kerry, seems foolproof. I think their performances this year are indicative of where they're really at, a good systematic team with 2 great players but not in Kerry's league. Their system will eventually fail as Kerry have too many good footballers and will punch holes in it increasingly more as the game goes on. As I said previously fair chance McGuigan and / or Glass accidentally get buried early doors. I expect Kerry to win by 5-7 pts.

Agree with some of that but remember that we are Ulster Champions for the last two years.  Some credit and respect please.  We have reached Division 1 from Division 4.  Some credit and respect please.  We are in the last 4 of the All Ireland Championship for the second year in a row.   Some credit and respect please.  Not bad for a team with 2 great players.  Pure jealousy leaked out there.  If Kerry want to bury a few, which is unlikely, let them try.  Neither Glass nor McGuigan will be easy buried.

That's all fair enough, though would you have achieved all that without out-of-county managers, who seem to be able to harmonise the warring Derry club/locality factions?