Down Club Hurling & Football

Started by Lecale2, November 10, 2006, 12:06:55 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

downjim


Green+Gold

Apparantly Rostrevor were 9-2 up at ht. Rumours are once the sides went level both teams were happy to play out time and just pass the ball about.

https://twitter.com/ConorDoyle23/status/1054836033072828417?s=19

Maiden1

Is it bottom team relegated and the next 2 play off for the remaining place? if so it happens every year that if 2 teams just above relegation zones play each other in the last game and both need a point it nearly always ends in a draw.  Not sure there is much can be done about it.  If Spurs and Liverpool were 3rd and 4th going into last game of the season and Arsenal were 3 points behind would either team commit many players forward in last 10 minutes if it was 0-0?

                Pts   Diff
Rostrevor   21   -8
Ballyholland   20   -11
RGU Downpatrick   20   -56
An Riocht   13   -98
Saval   8   -117

There are no proofs, only opinions.

downjim

Looks bad especially on John Fegan who manages Rgu, don't think he will be happy with his former teammates

Green+Gold

Quote from: Maiden1 on October 24, 2018, 12:44:10 PM
Is it bottom team relegated and the next 2 play off for the remaining place? if so it happens every year that if 2 teams just above relegation zones play each other in the last game and both need a point it nearly always ends in a draw.  Not sure there is much can be done about it.  If Spurs and Liverpool were 3rd and 4th going into last game of the season and Arsenal were 3 points behind would either team commit many players forward in last 10 minutes if it was 0-0?

                Pts   Diff
Rostrevor   21   -8
Ballyholland   20   -11
RGU Downpatrick   20   -56
An Riocht   13   -98
Saval   8   -117

Looks like it was pre-arranged.

terrifictommy

Similar outcome in 2nd division where St Johns played Ballymartin? Similar scoreline at Half time as well, both now have to play off against each other. Doubt that will be a draw!!

Smurfy123

It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

Green+Gold

#30712
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.

Mourne Red

Quote from: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.

Bullshit.. It's like the Slaughtneil match were they held on to the ball for ages in midfield, they had no incentive to attack with ballyholland 15 men behind the ball and risk a counter attack and putting themselves in danger of losing.. Come the closing minutes neither team wanted to risk losing and settled for the draw, I doubt there were brown envelopes swapped before the game

thewobbler

Quote from: Green+Gold on October 24, 2018, 05:46:33 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on October 24, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
It's not Ballyholland or Rostrevors fault RGU are where they are. Concentrate on your own performance

They have no one to blame for their league position but themselves. But you wouldn't like to think it was a pre-arranged agreement for the game to end in a draw which it looks like it was.

What is it that Downpatrick wish to achieve by peddling this myth?

Rostrevor's corner-back taking a black card for his team, cutting out a one-on-one with a trip, with 10 minutes to go tells you all you need to know about whether the game was competitive or not.

befair

Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head

thewobbler

Quote from: befair on October 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head

Not sure how Befair? Harps and RGU won their 2 encounters by 3 points apiece. Would that not have seen head to head ruled out, and onto scoring difference.

By my calculations, if Ballyholland has have won by 20-odd on Saturday and RGu had have won on 20-odd, and Castlewellan lost, Ros would have ended up in the playoff. Ros were as good as mathematically safe, but not quite.

Down Follower

Slaughtneil game was a good comparison. Harps line up with 15 behind the ball for last 2 mins after equalising to try and secure a draw and their place in div 1.  Rostrevor having just conceded 7 in a row would have been happy enough with a draw at that stage and were putting the emphasis on harps to come out and take it off them.
13 seconds of video tells the whole story of a game though doesn't it 😳
Do kingdom have a good chance in playoff with hoops missing so many!!

befair

Quote from: thewobbler on October 24, 2018, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: befair on October 24, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
Rostrevor didn't need a draw, were already mathematically safe, so it was a dead rubber for them, which is why they fielded several regulars short.  In sport the team that needs the result usually gets the result. Over the season Downpatrick have only themselves to blame, tho it was weird cocktail of results in the end; if Castlewellan had beaten Bryansford, Ballyholland would have been in the bottom three on the head-to-head

Not sure how Befair? Harps and RGU won their 2 encounters by 3 points apiece. Would that not have seen head to head ruled out, and onto scoring difference.

By my calculations, if Ballyholland has have won by 20-odd on Saturday and RGu had have won on 20-odd, and Castlewellan lost, Ros would have ended up in the playoff. Ros were as good as mathematically safe, but not quite.

You are probably right Wobbler; it all became a bit confusing. But we knew we were virtually safe

supersub

#30719
Green & Gold I don't know what your issue is, but how dare you accuse our club of match fixing. I can categorically say it is absolute nonsense that the result was 'prearranged'. Sounds like serious sour grapes and very very bad sportsmanship on your behalf.

For the record - if two teams were to tie for third bottom it went to head to head and the aggregate result between the two sides over the two league encounters. If this was level it then went to overall score difference. If three teams were to tie it immediately goes to score difference - this is where Rostrevor potentially could have been pulled into it if results had gone seriously wrong on the final day as was mentioned. So it wasn't a dead rubber.

However, when you are 7 points ahead and get pinned back to a draw with a couple of minutes remaining. and then the opposition refuses to push up on the man on the ball, why would you risk losing the game by going for a score against a blanket of 15 men. The video is 13 seconds long and the whole 'episode' last about a minute and a half maximum. Rostrevor didn't need to score, but didn't want to concede either, and they certainly couldnt control what the opposition did either. If a draw suited Ballyholland so be it, but there was certainly no agreement at any point that this would be the case, as has been implied on here. Slaughtneil is a good example indeed, and also last years SFC game Harps v Kilcoo where Kilcoo kicked the ball around among themselves for several minutes as Harps didn't put any pressure on, videos emerged of that too, but no claims of match fixing there.

The bottom line is Saval, An Riocht and RGU did not get enough points over 22 games to secure first Division football in 2019. None of them can blame anyone else but themselves.