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Right folks, with the leagues about to start, lets see how far away we all are from the eventual winners of the Tyrone title. I think it is the most open in years.

What about the other 9?

And what about the other thread titled Tyrone Club Football and Hurling?

I can't see Carmen getting beat this year - Dromore will be close to them.

Oh the same mind as you orangeman.

Any Carmen people I talk to aren't happy they haven't won in 3 years and are gunning for it this year.

They have a real swagger about them this year - all the matches they've played have been against top class opposition and they've blown everyone away - But for Clonoe ????????

Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
They have a real swagger about them this year - all the matches they've played have been against top class opposition and they've blown everyone away - But for Clonoe ????????

Do you mean they've beat everyone but clonoe?
or
Why aren't clonoe in the poll?

Quote from: WolfeTone on April 03, 2008, 01:58:59 PM

Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
They have a real swagger about them this year - all the matches they've played have been against top class opposition and they've blown everyone away - But for Clonoe ????????

Do you mean they've beat everyone but clonoe?
or
Why aren't clonoe in the poll?

He means if Clonoe had not surprisingly knocked Carmen out in the first round last year they may have gone on to win it.

For me Dromore are the team to beat but Carmen will push them all the way and I wouldnt be at all surprised if Carmen won it.

I know that Clonoe have been playing a few challenge games round derry (sluaghtneil and dungiven i think).
Highly rated teams in derry, so they must have their sights set high!
Any word on how Damien Cass is gettin on?
Heard theres always a battle round there between boys playin gaelic for clonoe and soccer for coalisland? This is bound to stifle their progress if they cant concentrate on one!

Because of Ziggys comments i telephoned my Carmen source just for a yarn and brought in football. He said it was like getting blood from a stone information wise from any of the players at the minute but he did say they gave Mayobridge a while tanking last week with the bridge having Walsh, Coulter Sexton etc all playing. Apparently Mark Donnelly scored 1-7.
Reading between the lines I think they may be a little bit scred of Loughmacrory after what happened them last year. I cant see them improving from an average team last year to county champions last year. I predict a repeat of last years final if they stay apart with the Fianna reaping revenge.

Quote from: orangeman on April 03, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
They have a real swagger about them this year - all the matches they've played have been against top class opposition and they've blown everyone away - But for Clonoe ????????

Greencastle were supposed to play them a while back. Unfortunately the game was called off due to the terrible weather that weekend.

Quote from: tieroan on April 03, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
Because of Ziggys comments i telephoned my Carmen source just for a yarn and brought in football. He said it was like getting blood from a stone information wise from any of the players at the minute but he did say they gave Mayobridge a while tanking last week with the bridge having Walsh, Coulter Sexton etc all playing. Apparently Mark Donnelly scored 1-7.
Reading between the lines I think they may be a little bit scred of Loughmacrory after what happened them last year. I cant see them improving from an average team last year to county champions last year. I predict a repeat of last years final if they stay apart with the Fianna reaping revenge.

I think they have tanked everbody they have played so far including Bellaghy, Mayobridge and others. They have Mark Donnelly back and Mc Keever in from Dungiven who is supposed to be flying.

Carmen for overall glory in 2008 in my book anyway. Dromore won't be far behind them either, Coalisland and Errigal will also be pushing hard.

wouldn read to much into the bridge match,  mayobridge were bout 6/7 short and prob still sleeping from an early start in the morning.  having said that by all accounts carmen played very well and were extremely fit.

Quote from: bridgegael on April 03, 2008, 05:30:23 PM
wouldn read to much into the bridge match,  mayobridge were bout 6/7 short and prob still sleeping from an early start in the morning.  having said that by all accounts carmen played very well and were extremely fit.

Mayobridge are one of the top sides in Ulster and to be beat you by a dozen was no mean feat - you had all the big names on board !

I picked Dromore. Being from Dromore it probably did influence my decision though. I'd have to say i might have picked Carmen otherwise due to the fact they are Carmen and no other reason. They did finish on top of the league but Dromore are a better team. I still might have picked Dromore for winning the double in 07. I'm really looking forward to this Championship. Going in defending the title for the first time definitely adds to it but also bring some extra nerves. To choose any other team ye would need to know something the rest of us don't know or else your hoping for a lucky year, but sometimes that's what Championship football is about ;)

Quote from: Zapatista on April 03, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
I picked Dromore. Being from Dromore it probably did influence my decision though. I'd have to say i might have picked Carmen otherwise due to the fact they are Carmen and no other reason. They did finish on top of the league but Dromore are a better team. I still might have picked Dromore for winning the double in 07. I'm really looking forward to this Championship. Going in defending the title for the first time definitely adds to it but also bring some extra nerves. To choose any other team ye would need to know something the rest of us don't know or else your hoping for a lucky year, but sometimes that's what Championship football is about ;)

Personally I think it will be hard for you to defend the title Zapatista - in saying that I've said you'll be very close to Carmen - I do expect you to be in the final against Carmen with Errigal and Coalisland getting to the semis.

Who are ye telling OM. It took us 75 years to win it in the first place :D That might also be a motivator not to give it up easily though.

Quote from: Zapatista on April 03, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
Who are ye telling OM. It took us 75 years to win it in the first place :D That might also be a motivator not to give it up easily though.

There's no doubt you'll defend it to the last and may well end up winning it again but I just have a feeling that Carmen have regrouped, have got a few new signings, boys back from injury and foreign shores and will take a lot of beating - They took a lot of stick after Clonoe last year from outside and within and will be going all out.

Quote from: Zapatista on April 03, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
Who are ye telling OM. It took us 75 years to win it in the first place :D That might also be a motivator not to give it up easily though.

Is Ryan Porter back with ye again this year or is he exclusively with Donegal?

I'd say dromore will be hungry to defend their crown and with a team of now experienced winners they have the opportunity to push on for another championship. Carrickmore will also be very close IMHO with transferred and returning players hungry for the O'neill cup they will push Dromore all the way. I cannot see any other team winning the championship as these 2 teams have the skill and experience to win but I predict Dromore to win for the 2nd time.

Quote from: tieroan on April 03, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
I cant see them improving from an average team last year to county champions last year. I predict a repeat of last years final if they stay apart with the Fianna reaping revenge.

Are you for real?? I think this one of the funniest things I read on this board all year. How do you come to the conclusion Carmen are an average team? They only lost 2/3 games last year and that included extinguishing the fianna blues (thats where you are from I think?) fire in the league semi final with some ease.

Quote from: tyrone86 on April 03, 2008, 09:50:10 PM

Quote from: Zapatista on April 03, 2008, 05:51:33 PM
Who are ye telling OM. It took us 75 years to win it in the first place :D That might also be a motivator not to give it up easily though.

Is Ryan Porter back with ye again this year or is he exclusively with Donegal?

He is with Dromore too. If it's not broke don't fx it.

Quote from: go4goal on April 03, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
I'd say dromore will be hungry to defend their crown and with a team of now experienced winners they have the opportunity to push on for another championship. Carrickmore will also be very close IMHO with transferred and returning players hungry for the O'neill cup they will push Dromore all the way. I cannot see any other team winning the championship as these 2 teams have the skill and experience to win but I predict Dromore to win for the 2nd time.

I reckon these will be the 2 teams in the final except I predict Carmen will be winners.

Quote from: go4goal on April 03, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
I'd say dromore will be hungry to defend their crown and with a team of now experienced winners they have the opportunity to push on for another championship. Carrickmore will also be very close IMHO with transferred and returning players hungry for the O'neill cup they will push Dromore all the way. I cannot see any other team winning the championship as these 2 teams have the skill and experience to win but I predict Dromore to win for the 2nd time.

I'd say Dromore will be very hungry to defend it every bit as much as they where to win it in the first place. However, it would be very foolish to underestimate the hunger from Carmen or any of they others for that matter. Hunger will only get you so far though.

Nobody rates Ardboe then.  Each man carried away by hype.  Last year finally showed that maybe grinding down an opposition into submission, dour football can get you so far but you need football to win it.  Thats why Dromore won it. 
Last Year the best teams in the county were as follows
1) Dromore
2) Carrickmore
3) Coalisland
4) Donaghmore
5) Errigal
6) Cookstown

This year I expect the following
1) Dromore
2) Carrickmore
3) Ardboe
4) Coalisland
5) Errigal
6) Donaghmore


Pick any of the top 4 for the championship.  Any of the top 6 could win a league. 
Drom  ore were the best team to win the championship since Errigal Kerian won Ulster.  They seem to have all the aces this year again.  Hunger could be lessened, guys like Mc Menamin, Mc Cullough, snowy havent had a break in 15 months, it could affect later in the year.  Despite a blip V Kildress when they should have been beat they won all their luck last year they fought for everything - a fabulous team and my favourites for this year.  But carmen are snarling in the wings, there can be little doubt that taking Corrigan back into Carrickmore was a poorly received decision, many see it as a waste of 2 years and many were divided, but they are on the comeback and there was a better team spirit at the end of the season than at the start.  A carmen Dromore championship battle woul be a phenomenal battle this year. If Mark Donnelly has finally given Carrickmore some comittment then he will boost their chances they have a terrible foward line but seem to grind good teams down.  The Derry man mc keever will hardly matter, Carrickmore didnt need any improvements in their defence they are solid as a rock.  With Brian back Ardboe will give it real go.  Its a long time since 1998 and their team are now veterans, but write them off this years at your peril.  They can come from nowhere and take a championship.  Im giving Coalisland a lot of respect here on previous years achievements , yet I distrust their heart for it and balls are something that you have or havent it takes often too much time for to grow your own.  Dromore imported their balls from Killyclogher and it has made the difference - my understanding is that the Coalisland backroom team is still the same.  Dont expect to do the same thing a second time and get a different result.
For errigal to triumph they need Tyrone to have an early exit and form a real team bond between their county men and club regulars. In fairness they are average and may improve a bit on last year but will not scare any of the top 6 any more.   Donaghmore minus Mc Ginn may struggle but they have 3 starting members on the Academy squad, who knows what dynamic that could bring to the team.  I felt that last year could have been their year - they lack real leadership since big Hughes retired. Maybe the youger buck will stand up this year - always thought he had more potential than he has ever delivered.  For outsiders theres going to be power perfomances  from  Killyclogher, Clonoe, Kildress and Cookstown.  Its all shaping up to being one of the most open championship in years. My tip is Dromore for a second after beating Carmen in the semifinal and Ardboe in the final, but I wouldnt mind a bet on any of them.

Carmen 1-21 Killyman 0-0

Carmen for the title again IMHO !

I wouldnt be reading to much into that result. Killlyman were one of the worst teams in the 3rd division down last year and shouldnt be in senior football. Would be suprised if this is the biggest defeat they suffer this year. Still suprised they didnt manage to get a point though.

Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on April 06, 2008, 11:13:58 PM
I wouldnt be reading to much into that result. Killlyman were one of the worst teams in the 3rd division down last year and shouldnt be in senior football. Would be suprised if this is the biggest defeat they suffer this year. Still suprised they didnt manage to get a point though.

Not to get a point is some going ! The referee must have been a real bollox that didn't give them a free in order to register a score !

The voting seems a little weird to me. Who are the 3 who choose - none of the above -? Who do you think will win it?

I was up at the Carmen Killyman game and whilst Killyman brought nothing to the table this freescoring Carrickmore team will offer a lot of teams probl;em this year.  Beast carmen team in 4 years.

Quote from: feetofflames on April 07, 2008, 01:08:17 PM
I was up at the Carmen Killyman game and whilst Killyman brought nothing to the table this freescoring Carrickmore team will offer a lot of teams probl;em this year.  Beast carmen team in 4 years.

This is what I've been saying now for a while - I think they'll do the double !

Quote from: feetofflames on April 07, 2008, 01:08:17 PM
I was up at the Carmen Killyman game and whilst Killyman brought nothing to the table this freescoring Carrickmore team will offer a lot of teams probl;em this year.  Beast carmen team in 4 years.

I have no doubt they are good but this result is a bit to wild to be an indicator. On another day they might have scored 3 more goals or Killyman might have scored something. A result like that is to odd to make a judgement.

Quote from: Zapatista on April 07, 2008, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: feetofflames on April 07, 2008, 01:08:17 PM
I was up at the Carmen Killyman game and whilst Killyman brought nothing to the table this freescoring Carrickmore team will offer a lot of teams probl;em this year.  Beast carmen team in 4 years.

I have no doubt they are good but this result is a bit to wild to be an indicator. On another day they might have scored 3 more goals or Killyman might have scored something. A result like that is to odd to make a judgement.

That's true but to keep a team from scoring anything is unbelievable.

Would you all stop setting Carmen up for a fall :-[
Killyman were poor infact very poor. I still think there is room for improvement in the forwards yet but i must say watching Mark Donnelly since he has come back from Australia, he is better than any forwards Mickey Harte has at his disposal at present.

Quote from: Wee Roddy on April 07, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
Would you all stop setting Carmen up for a fall :-[
Killyman were poor infact very poor. I still think there is room for improvement in the forwards yet but i must say watching Mark Donnelly since he has come back from Australia, he is better than any forwards Mickey Harte has at his disposal at present.

Well it's time MH was with him then !

it suits carmen having no county players they can build on a team not individuals. they always had a poor forward line but roddy how did they register 1.21 yesterday with such a poor forward line. what did donnelly score? and what did the mcnally brothers score? the rest have never been scoring threats since peter loughran retired. i agree stop setting them up for a fall, my girlfriends cousin plays for carmen and he said carmens midfield was tremendous yesterday.
as for errigal we are in rebuilding. appointing david harte as captain is the best thing christopher quinn could have done, he is a role model, outstanding club man who gives all for club and county unlike last years captain

This Carmen team have been rebuilt form the ground up, and by God they will stifle ye, but at the other end play the footballl.  I revised my opinions from last week.  Carmen should not only give Tyrone but maybe Ulster a rattle this year.  They are something to behold, Mc nally and Donnelly should be reconsidered for the county. 

To be fair I dont think this needs a thread of its own. We will end up with another 50 threads on here very soon and it will just get messy. Any chance of a merge?

Maybe the removal of the previous manager is the reason for this   upsurge in the   fortunes of this almighty team , WeeRoddy is even back on board  no posts since December  and a single league victory has  him  back in business , reality check needed it was only Killyman , stiffer tests lie ahead.

Quote from: KIDDO 4 on April 07, 2008, 05:02:36 PM
Maybe the removal of the previous manager is the reason for this   upsurge in the   fortunes of this almighty team , WeeRoddy is even back on board  no posts since December  and a single league victory has  him  back in business , reality check needed it was only Killyman , stiffer tests lie ahead.

;D ;D ;D ;D Good man Kiddo !  ;) You just love him !

Kiddo i agree. Reality check needed. Sorry about no posts since December but I was relocated at work and we are only online this past week.

Glencullerules, Ronan McNally was not playing as he broke his ankle a few weeks ago. Mark Donnelly set up or was fouled for nearly every score Carmen got and as far as I know Kevin McNally scored 1-6.
No disrespect to Killyman but yesterdays game was no indication and Carmens forward division still has Ronan McNally, Finbar Magill and Paul McAleer to consider thats why I say more work is needed.

Quote from: orangeman on April 07, 2008, 02:06:03 PM

Quote from: Zapatista on April 07, 2008, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: feetofflames on April 07, 2008, 01:08:17 PM
I was up at the Carmen Killyman game and whilst Killyman brought nothing to the table this freescoring Carrickmore team will offer a lot of teams probl;em this year.  Beast carmen team in 4 years.

I have no doubt they are good but this result is a bit to wild to be an indicator. On another day they might have scored 3 more goals or Killyman might have scored something. A result like that is to odd to make a judgement.

That's true but to keep a team from scoring anything is unbelievable.

Maybe Killyman kept themselves from scoring.But I'd say it was a mixture of the two.

Quote from: Wee Roddy on April 07, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
Would you all stop setting Carmen up for a fall :-[
Killyman were poor infact very poor. I still think there is room for improvement in the forwards yet but i must say watching Mark Donnelly since he has come back from Australia, he is better than any forwards Mickey Harte has at his disposal at present.

Problem is he's from Carrickmore and Mickey Harte should have more carmen players on the panel but their club means they can't!!

Quote from: go4goal on April 07, 2008, 05:52:36 PM

Quote from: Wee Roddy on April 07, 2008, 02:16:12 PM
Would you all stop setting Carmen up for a fall :-[
Killyman were poor infact very poor. I still think there is room for improvement in the forwards yet but i must say watching Mark Donnelly since he has come back from Australia, he is better than any forwards Mickey Harte has at his disposal at present.

Problem is he's from Carrickmore and Mickey Harte should have more carmen players on the panel but their club means they can't!!

Can you explain that for me?

Wouldnt read anything into the Killyman game until Killyman have played a few more games. I can see them getting serious hammerings in most games this season.

who cars about killyman, i come onto this site to hear about my beloved errigal and the odd story about carmen and dromore.
dromore are very quiet this year, no stories leaking from gardrum park. tell us more kiddo. we play you on the 20th? any other big games that day?
roddy who is paul mcaleer? and what wrong with finbar mcgill? ronan mcnally will be  a loss as i feel he offers more than kevin.
would be great for another errigal carmen final. what do you think

Errigal will not be far away this year. Talk from the players is that they are training well and are very fit. I would not rule out the return of a certain little forward when it comes to the business end of the year ;)

Aygharan v Ardboe
E-Ciaran v Dromore,
Galbally v Donaghmore
Kildress vCookstown
Killyclogher v Coalisland
Killyman v Clonoe
Loughmacrory v Carrickmore
Omagh v Eglish,
The above are the fixtures for April 20th.

Is the Tyrone club league division 1a this years the best league in Ireland?  and this is only day 1.
Aygharan v Ardboe, Ayghyaran - tough stuff here- Will Mc guigan play?
E-Ciaran v Dromore,  E Ciaran - what a battle, Two juggernaughts 
Galbally v Donaghmore, Galbally - needs a strong refereea huge opening day parish derby
Kildress vCookstown, Kildress, needs a strong referee derby
Killyclogher v Coalisland, Coalisland great game though some wham bam whack.
Killyman v Clonoe, Clonoe in a one sided derby
Loughmacrory v Carrickmore The gloves come off for the first time thisd year. derby with pG Cert
Omagh v Eglish, A great open tussle.   
The above are the fixtures for April 20th.
Has there ever been a better round of fixtures in Tyrone county and indeed any league in Ireland
I call this grand f**king wham bam slam Thank you mam,  Sunday.  Any chance of stepping these times.  Id love to see at least 4 of these games.

Quote from: feetofflames on April 08, 2008, 02:47:09 PM
Is the Tyrone club league division 1a this years the best league in Ireland?  and this is only day 1.
Aygharan v Ardboe, Ayghyaran - tough stuff here- Will Mc guigan play?
E-Ciaran v Dromore,  E Ciaran - what a battle, Two juggernaughts 
Galbally v Donaghmore, Galbally - needs a strong refereea huge opening day parish derby
Kildress vCookstown, Kildress, needs a strong referee derby
Killyclogher v Coalisland, Coalisland great game though some wham bam whack.
Killyman v Clonoe, Clonoe in a one sided derby
Loughmacrory v Carrickmore The gloves come off for the first time thisd year. derby with pG Cert
Omagh v Eglish, A great open tussle.   
The above are the fixtures for April 20th.
Has there ever been a better round of fixtures in Tyrone county and indeed any league in Ireland
I call this grand f**king wham bam slam Thank you mam,  Sunday.  Any chance of stepping these times.  Id love to see at least 4 of these games.

Good to see a man getting excited about the league!

Championship threading quickly transforming into a Tyrone club thread!

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 09, 2008, 01:14:02 AM
Championship threading quickly transforming into a Tyrone club thread!

The whole thread should be in the Tyrone Club thread! Mods sort it out!!

Do no harm to move the poll too. that dromore - Coalisland poll on the other thread has to go

well its now starting to heat up.  9 days to go.