A5 WTC (New Road from Aughnacloy to Derry)

[AustinPowers]

the road is not to blame, it's the drivers obviously 

speed (mainly), impatience, bad decisions, phone use, etc all factors

self driving cars which actually adhere to the law cannot get here fast enough

to pass your driving test at 18 and have it for life is an absolute joke

of course everyone will say no to that because it's just too sensible 

That's just wishing the problem away. Better road and street design can be there around the clock, traffic enforcement cannot.

And self-driving cars are not going to fix all of our problems. A road worker directing traffic with hand gestures is easily understandable to a human driver. A child running towards the road from a playground can be spotted by a human driver. A ball rolling onto the road, possibly followed by a child chasing it, is easily understandable to a human driver. Will AI ever figure these things out with the same precision? Maybe eventually, but not in the next ten years it won't. Some people have been predicting the brave new world of self-driving cars for the next ten years, and they're still at least ten years away.

That's one thing  the aul fella used to drum into us  when we got our test.  If a ball  comes across the road ,  a child like likely  be arriving  after it

[seafoid]

the road is not to blame, it's the drivers obviously 

speed (mainly), impatience, bad decisions, phone use, etc all factors

self driving cars which actually adhere to the law cannot get here fast enough

to pass your driving test at 18 and have it for life is an absolute joke

of course everyone will say no to that because it's just too sensible 

That's just wishing the problem away. Better road and street design can be there around the clock, traffic enforcement cannot.

And self-driving cars are not going to fix all of our problems. A road worker directing traffic with hand gestures is easily understandable to a human driver. A child running towards the road from a playground can be spotted by a human driver. A ball rolling onto the road, possibly followed by a child chasing it, is easily understandable to a human driver. Will AI ever figure these things out with the same precision? Maybe eventually, but not in the next ten years it won't. Some people have been predicting the brave new world of self-driving cars for the next ten years, and they're still at least ten years away.

That's one thing  the aul fella used to drum into us  when we got our test.  If a ball  comes across the road ,  a child like likely  be arriving  after it

You must be related to Confucius

[AustinPowers]

the road is not to blame, it's the drivers obviously 

speed (mainly), impatience, bad decisions, phone use, etc all factors

self driving cars which actually adhere to the law cannot get here fast enough

to pass your driving test at 18 and have it for life is an absolute joke

of course everyone will say no to that because it's just too sensible 

That's just wishing the problem away. Better road and street design can be there around the clock, traffic enforcement cannot.

And self-driving cars are not going to fix all of our problems. A road worker directing traffic with hand gestures is easily understandable to a human driver. A child running towards the road from a playground can be spotted by a human driver. A ball rolling onto the road, possibly followed by a child chasing it, is easily understandable to a human driver. Will AI ever figure these things out with the same precision? Maybe eventually, but not in the next ten years it won't. Some people have been predicting the brave new world of self-driving cars for the next ten years, and they're still at least ten years away.

That's one thing  the aul fella used to drum into us  when we got our test.  If a ball  comes across the road ,  a child like likely  be arriving  after it

You must be related to Confucius

Aye,  great  uncle . By marriage   

[Milltown Row2]

Well the frosses road on Antrim was a dangerous road to they sorted most of it out. I don't know how nobody's killed on the Ballymena line, they drive faster there than the M2. With multi small roads connecting to it and central crossings.

It's fast enough but I personally hate the A1 at night near those junctions especially when it's raining! ... better lighting, reduced speed limits at night and longer entry/exit points. Any main road should be two lanes

[Snapchap]

Surely to God they aren't blocking this road over some warped idea of a road to Dublin! Please tell me they ain't that bad.

Lest there be any doubt:
https://twitter.com/Niall_Gartland/status/1654150512650985472?t=bEtyYZtBs7dFg1yZM2cfYg&s=19

[smelmoth]

A very strange response.

How much of the city do you actually think will be built on?

Then we can look at the constraints placed by the current junction.

Motorway junctions take up vast amounts of space that could be put to more financially sustainable use. They take up more room than you think, and it becomes clearer when you superimpose them on actual revenue-generating city blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln5oTdi8CNM

In the case of Belfast, the Sailortown area was all but obliterated by the motorway.

Have you seen the plans for this one? How much space does it take up that isn't already taken up by the existing roads and junction?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Motorway junctions take up vast amounts of space that could be put to more financially sustainable use. They take up more room than you think, and it becomes clearer when you superimpose them on actual revenue-generating city blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln5oTdi8CNM

In the case of Belfast, the Sailortown area was all but obliterated by the motorway.

That is one of the biggest loads of rubbish ever posted on this forum.

Aside from the fundamental misunderstanding that a motorway junction can exist to leverage economic actors a significant distance from the junction itself, rather than a few more local offices/shops, a motorway is useless if you cannot get on and off it. 3 motorways meeting without seamless transfer are largely neutered in their local effectiveness. Pollution and commute times significantly impact economic productivity. (Unless you think hauliers like to pay their drivers to burn several gallons of fuel to move a few miles over the space of an hour, or business folk like to sit in traffic for an added hour rather than work in the office when looking to catch a flight?)

The space used for the York road junction is insignificant given the benefits it'd bring.

Here's a pdf map of the proposal - as you can see, the footprint is only an incremental increase over what is already there.

[Eire90]

Another crash there today.

[Hereiam]

BBCNI now referring to the proposed A5 as a cross border road....WTF. They are playing to their audience

[smort]

BBCNI now referring to the proposed A5 as a cross border road....WTF. They are playing to their audience

Picked up on that too, outrageous that they are using that language!

[Ty4Sam]

Yet another accident today between Strabane and Derry!

[Milltown Row2]

Was on the road from magherfelt through to Omagh today, plenty of land to open up those roads too, nothing in the plans to up grade that crap road?

[maggie]

Inquiry reopened this morning. 16 years since the road was first approved. It actually beggars belief that much time has passed and how many more years will go by without one bit of tar being laid.

If you are in the area of the Strule Arts centre this week go and have a coffee there.

Just a pity no one from the group objecting was made to go.

[Hereiam]

I would say there is a fair amount of OO members in the Alternative A5 Alliance

[marty34]

Heard someone, who lost family member, on radio asking for people to attend it. More focus on it now as good push to get it moving.

Silent majority will come out and support it but it'll take time.

Do people/groups object again in this enquiry?