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Some new rules bring trialled...

https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/gaa-to-trial-experimental-kick-out-and-free-kick-rules/

Terrible ideas, the rule of not being able to go back to the keeper worked well. When teams are chasing games they push up on kicks and the keeper has to go long, so there is no need for a rule to make a team lump a ball if the opposition is happy enough to concede the kick out

Also, the physio coming on after every free is getting really boring. I know teams want to slow the game down but it is so bad, embarrassing. It's every team does it though

Gough is a brutal brutal referee, no idea where the myth that he's the best in the country comes from 

Bit of a jersey clash this

Really hard to see on the tv esp with so many players in small space. How ulster Gaa let this happen is stupid

[The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there.]

So they investigated and found nothing?

Is that what it says?

Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said

At no point have I said anything of the sort.

Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?

The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.

Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.

That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.

I think it is you that is 100% incorrect, certainly in respect of any issue in NI. Police only send the file if there is evidence. Possibly this is not how it works in the South.

A statement is evidence... they will also give a recommendation it's up to the PPS what they do with that. Plenty of cases have been brought where the only evidence is a statement from a witness

[The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there.]

So they investigated and found nothing?

Is that what it says?

Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said

At no point have I said anything of the sort.

Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?

The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.

Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.

That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.

[I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?]

Yes but  That doesn't  mean these allegations are  true.

See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.

Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?

I do see the  difference. But  my point was that trial  by FB sets  a dangerous precedence. 

I didn't really want to  go into this  case ,  but  it  seems odd  that he has custody of  kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so  why wasn't  these allegations  made during that process ?

Like I say ,  I really didn't want to  go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue.  So that's  all I'll say on it.

Come on, are you really that naïve?

Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?

If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.

My point was that they might NOT have known in the first place because the woman was afraid to raise the concerns.

Is that not what Nicola Gallagher's post was about? Silence?

Yeah but in RG statement he said 'Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.' that would be something that will be easily verified by police/ gateway so I would doubt his legal team would let him put that in the statement if it wasn't true.

[I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?]

Yes but  That doesn't  mean these allegations are  true.

See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.

Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?

I do see the  difference. But  my point was that trial  by FB sets  a dangerous precedence. 

I didn't really want to  go into this  case ,  but  it  seems odd  that he has custody of  kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so  why wasn't  these allegations  made during that process ?

Like I say ,  I really didn't want to  go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue.  So that's  all I'll say on it.

Come on, are you really that naïve?

Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?

If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.

Is it just me or are we seeing more walkovers/teams not fielding than normal ? Creggan and Ahoghill didn't take place last night in Div2

When the county clearly dont care about the leagues then can see why clubs might have the same attitude.

[Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.]

Lock the thread Mods!!

Yep, ditto to that.

We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?

There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.

We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.

f**king helll!☹️

Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.

So if it comes to light that it's been a vindictive ex who is trying to ruin a man, his career and his life. They should be allowed to take away one of the biggest achievements in his life? I know where people are coming from but this is the very definition of trial by social media, innocent until proven guilty is what it should be and whether we think someone is guilty or not they shouldn't be hung before all the facts are brought to light not just 1 side.

Bit of chat around league restructure, div 1 10 teams, that would change a lot I think, a fair margin for error and also experiment at the current time in a 13 team league, bring it down to 10 would change a lot of managers outlooks

Div.1 and Div.2 should be 10 teams each. 13 far too many. Covid was the excuse for the uneven number and no relegation in 20 and 21.
Get back to 10 teams and see much more competitive divisions with every game a fight to stay up.

I think with the way we are with so many dual clubs and so many games to fit in without county players the 12 team division is dead on. Teams pick up points before the split then when the split comes with full panels you give teams a better chance to stay up and aren't being hampered too much without county players.

If we go to 10 teams there's less room for error and the teams fighting to stay up will be far less likely to want to play without their county players and rightly so.

No promotion in any of the hurling leagues this year? Surely that can't be right? What incentive does that give to teams, surely they would deserve a play off at the very least

in soccer, def YouTube. My wee boy turned 6 last month and he knows all the players and their numbers etc from Youtube lol, he's football mad, out in the garden he's doing the celebrations and all lol. I hate him being anywhere near his tablet esp now the good weather coming in but I kinda let him away if he's watching football clips as I think it's getting him more into sport.

My number 1 tip would be to be invest in a half decent bluetooth speaker. Kids love music and you can get so much exercise and movement created simply by playing music and getting them to star jump, hop, run fast/slow and pause when music stops.

I focus on simple things like moving round the space and bounce ball 10 times, throw then catch the ball in the basket. Kids love it when you introduce adults who'll then try to knock the ball out of the basket, gets them to focus and finding space and improving their peripheral vision by avoiding collisions.

Interesting reading the debate around whether 6.5s should play games at the end of the session. I've looked after the age bracket for 6+ years and if you ask kids the one thing they want to do its games. Still think there's room for very small sided, fun-focused games.

Totally disagree with that. Its almost certain you will have kids that do not come from "football" houses and your training is their 1st introduction to a ball. Then you will have ones that are well ahead. Introducing games where you are scoring and winning/losing will increase your risk of alienating those "weaker" kids and will effect you in the long run. I have seen it happen time and time again. Typically the clubs that do what you are saying a very large and dont really care if they lose a few. My club we need every child available  to us.

My wee boy just turned 6 last month, his coaches are first class. up unti they started back it was all focused on getting hands on the Ball and games that weren't actually related to football or hurling, like trying to knock down cones on the other teams side etc. it seems now they are starting to do actual games, and they've started going to play other teams (no scores or anything kept and no real regard for rules0 jus to get them moving the ball etc.

ive found my son wasn't overly keen on it until they got a taste for actual games and now its all he talks about and constantly wanting to go out into the garden to practice. I think his coaches have done it really well how they built it up to actually planning games with some kinda structure.

Did your child ever see or touch or play with a ball before going to training? I assume so, as you his parent are posting on a GAA forum. Imagine the child who parents dont even own a ball. Your child might excel in this scenario but what about the others? U6s going playing games against other teams is ridiculous by the way.

Yeah he had but what im saying is he had no real interest, I think he's under 6.5 if thats how the ages work now or possibly u7. but how his club went about it was very good, all about fun and getting their hands on the ball. as I say wee games trying to throw the ball and knock cones down etc to get a feel for the ball and just get it moving.

The wee games they are playing now are just really kids running about and kicking the ball but he loves the whole thing of being against another team etc, the coaches for all the teams are brilliant just encouraging both teams and letting the kids get a feel for it. its usually 5 or 6 a side and each club brings as many players as they have and break up into small games. every kid gets loads of time on the ball they all take turns in goals and seem to really enjoy it. as I say to get my wee boy to go to football used to be a real struggle but now he relishes going during the week and on a sat.

My number 1 tip would be to be invest in a half decent bluetooth speaker. Kids love music and you can get so much exercise and movement created simply by playing music and getting them to star jump, hop, run fast/slow and pause when music stops.

I focus on simple things like moving round the space and bounce ball 10 times, throw then catch the ball in the basket. Kids love it when you introduce adults who'll then try to knock the ball out of the basket, gets them to focus and finding space and improving their peripheral vision by avoiding collisions.

Interesting reading the debate around whether 6.5s should play games at the end of the session. I've looked after the age bracket for 6+ years and if you ask kids the one thing they want to do its games. Still think there's room for very small sided, fun-focused games.

Totally disagree with that. Its almost certain you will have kids that do not come from "football" houses and your training is their 1st introduction to a ball. Then you will have ones that are well ahead. Introducing games where you are scoring and winning/losing will increase your risk of alienating those "weaker" kids and will effect you in the long run. I have seen it happen time and time again. Typically the clubs that do what you are saying a very large and dont really care if they lose a few. My club we need every child available  to us.

My wee boy just turned 6 last month, his coaches are first class. up unti they started back it was all focused on getting hands on the Ball and games that weren't actually related to football or hurling, like trying to knock down cones on the other teams side etc. it seems now they are starting to do actual games, and they've started going to play other teams (no scores or anything kept and no real regard for rules0 jus to get them moving the ball etc.

ive found my son wasn't overly keen on it until they got a taste for actual games and now its all he talks about and constantly wanting to go out into the garden to practice. I think his coaches have done it really well how they built it up to actually planning games with some kinda structure.