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Re: UK General Election 2017
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 10:30:54 PM »
Corbyn' policies are as bird brained as Micheal Foot's back in the early 80s.He has yet to learn that commmunism/socialism is great as long as someone else pays the bills.

Election should render the DUP members at Westminster surplus to requirements at Westminster.SNP had their best ever election last time,just like SF they deliver little or nothing,and a lot of Scots are beginning to see through them.

Overall this could be as bad for Labour as 1997 was for the Tories.

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 10:35:00 PM »
Another situation were the Tory leader has put the interest of the party over what is best for the country. Just like Cameron with the Brevit vote.

Thes are  two democratic votes .  The people will speak in each .   

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 12:27:00 AM »
Check out MPs' majorities & other info. Brokenshire in a safe seat.

http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 01:27:12 AM »
Another situation were the Tory leader has put the interest of the party over what is best for the country. Just like Cameron with the Brevit vote.

Thes are  two democratic votes .  The people will speak in each .

The problem is that democracy is a moment in time ideal. In nearly all occasions the electorate are not knowledgeable enough on the issues to make a reasoned assessment on which to vote. Cameron believed the UK was better in the EU but to keep the Conservative party together agreed on a referendum he assumed would back him. May is calling an election to keep the conservatives in power for longer so that if the Brexit talks take longer they are still in power and can call an election at the most opportune moment to win again. It is self serving. Politicians are supposed to serve their country not themselves. At the very least elections should be for fixed terms. I also wonder if a conservative government had have been in charge in the late 90s would the Good Friday agreement ever have come about.

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 05:34:50 AM »
Corbyn' policies are as bird brained as Micheal Foot's back in the early 80s.He has yet to learn that commmunism/socialism is great as long as someone else pays the bills.

Election should render the DUP members at Westminster surplus to requirements at Westminster.SNP had their best ever election last time,just like SF they deliver little or nothing,and a lot of Scots are beginning to see through them.

Overall this could be as bad for Labour as 1997 was for the Tories.
Socialism is great as long as someone pays the bills was Thatcher propaganda. 
Income inequality in the UK is back to 1920s levels. Real earnings (adjusted for inflation) are 15% lower than in 2007. At the lower end of the earnings scale, 800,000 people are on zero hours contracts. The UK government spends billions topping up low wages. Other taxpayers sponsor this.
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 09:21:25 AM »
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 10:15:09 AM »
Corbyn' policies are as bird brained as Micheal Foot's back in the early 80s.He has yet to learn that commmunism/socialism is great as long as someone else pays the bills.

Election should render the DUP members at Westminster surplus to requirements at Westminster.SNP had their best ever election last time,just like SF they deliver little or nothing,and a lot of Scots are beginning to see through them.

Overall this could be as bad for Labour as 1997 was for the Tories.
Socialism is great as long as someone pays the bills was Thatcher propaganda. 
Income inequality in the UK is back to 1920s levels. Real earnings (adjusted for inflation) are 15% lower than in 2007. At the lower end of the earnings scale, 800,000 people are on zero hours contracts. The UK government spends billions topping up low wages. Other taxpayers sponsor this.
The problem Labour have now, and was the case at the last 2 elections, is that tax-paying Joe Public simply don't trust them on the economy, due to a perceived "loony left" agenda which would work out well for the "scroungers" at the expense of the hard-working taxpayer. New Labour was successful in getting over the line because they were Tory-lite in that regard and were trusted. Corbyn in place will not change the status quo for at least another 2 elections.

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 10:55:54 AM »
Hard to know. We live in strange times - Trump, Brexit referendum.  Corbyn's underdog appeal could work for him in the same way it worked for Major against Kinnock in 1992.  Corbyn might also appeal to young voters wishing to protest. It's a long shot I know but here's hoping
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 11:15:19 AM »
I'm convinced that if May told the electorate that if by voting Tory they would all be homeless by Christmas they would still vote them in.


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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2017, 12:03:12 PM »
Theresa May refusing to take part in leaders debates is a strange position to take so early in the campaign. It gives her political opponents a stick to beat her with and looks like a very cowardly position to take for an as yet unelected prime minister.

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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2017, 12:10:06 PM »
Corbyn' policies are as bird brained as Micheal Foot's back in the early 80s.He has yet to learn that commmunism/socialism is great as long as someone else pays the bills.

Election should render the DUP members at Westminster surplus to requirements at Westminster.SNP had their best ever election last time,just like SF they deliver little or nothing,and a lot of Scots are beginning to see through them.

Overall this could be as bad for Labour as 1997 was for the Tories.
Socialism is great as long as someone pays the bills was Thatcher propaganda. 
Income inequality in the UK is back to 1920s levels. Real earnings (adjusted for inflation) are 15% lower than in 2007. At the lower end of the earnings scale, 800,000 people are on zero hours contracts. The UK government spends billions topping up low wages. Other taxpayers sponsor this.
The problem Labour have now, and was the case at the last 2 elections, is that tax-paying Joe Public simply don't trust them on the economy, due to a perceived "loony left" agenda which would work out well for the "scroungers" at the expense of the hard-working taxpayer. New Labour was successful in getting over the line because they were Tory-lite in that regard and were trusted. Corbyn in place will not change the status quo for at least another 2 elections.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2017, 12:18:00 PM »
No majority @5.2/1 looks nice.
The UK is going through a period of political chaos

Ignoring NI there will have been 4 big votes in 4 years. 2xGE, Brexit and Scottish independence.
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2017, 01:08:44 PM »
This is a smart move by May (though some sources say it was the rest of the Cabinet who wanted an election).  The Tories are 20%+ ahead in the polls.  Even if they're out by 5% the lead is still 15%+.  The media will be happy to carry the message "Labour in disarray" and "Corbyn unelectable" for the Tories as they have been doing since he became leader.  The problem for Remainers is that the Remain vote is split over a number of parties, whereas the Tories will be going forward as the party of Brexit.

Expect the North not to feature, Laobour to do not as badly as expected (there are about 200 pretty "safe" Labour seats), Lib Dems are starting from a low base so will probably win a good few seats, SNP have nowhere to go but down, and why anyone would vote for UKIP now is beyond me.  Tory majority of 75 - 100, then May will go forward with a mandate for what will turn out to be a soft Brexit.  Remember where you heard it first!
Exactly, it is as much about not being dependent upon the Looney Right (inc DUP) whilst Brexit negotiations are ongoing.
LCA's were put on an election footing a couple of months ago.

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2017, 01:58:28 PM »
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1

Please desist from making the election a little interesting, lol.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2017, 02:01:45 PM »
Theresa May refusing to take part in leaders debates is a strange position to take so early in the campaign. It gives her political opponents a stick to beat her with and looks like a very cowardly position to take for an as yet unelected prime minister.

In court when the prosecution has a weak case often the defendant does not testify as there is nothing to defend.  A TV debate is unlikely to win the Tories many more votes and the possibility is there that she would perform badly (thinking on her feet is not one of May's strengths) or make some gaffe that would cost them votes.  From their point of view, best leave well alone.

There is plenty to defend alright (just the small matter of her Brexit position).

She is simply afraid to do it because she knows that she is still unable to outline the mechanics of a post Brexit Britain, the cost of leaving the EU, the difficulty in reaching trade agreements, the threat to the union. In essence they are still making it up as they go along. Unfortunately due to Corbyn's position on Brexit, the labour party will not benefit in any shape or form by a leaders debate. The Lib Dem's would be the biggest benificiary from focussing on Brexit and pinning her down to the issues. The election has been called on the basis of a Brexit negotiating stance but at the same time she wants to avoid talking about it.