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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1380 on: September 13, 2017, 05:43:03 PM »
Ireland North depends on a large British financial subvention,similarly the South from the EU.Therefore neither part of Ireland is free to legislate of its own volition.

False. The free state has been a net contributor for quite some time. The structural funds in the 90s never accounted for more than 5% of GDP, so they weren't the main driving force behind all that growth as unionists like to crow about.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1381 on: September 13, 2017, 05:51:04 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1382 on: September 13, 2017, 05:55:00 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland

Why do we trade internationally? Why do we have international trade agreements?

Why is Ireland a country, why do we have Bunreacht na hÉireann? Surely we'd all be better looking after ourselves- Darwin and all that
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1383 on: September 13, 2017, 06:10:32 PM »
It is still not independent.It has to enact EU laws and relied on a massive EU bailout.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1384 on: September 13, 2017, 06:25:16 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland

Access to the EU is one of the big selling points for multinational companies locating in Ireland. Following the Brits off the exit cliff like lemmings is no way to conduct policy.

56% of Irish exports go to the continent. The top 15 trading partners (2016 figures, exports) are:

United States: US$33.2 billion (25.9% of total Irish exports)
United Kingdom: $16.3 billion (12.7%)
Belgium: $16.3 billion (12.7%)
Germany: $8.4 billion (6.6%)
Switzerland: $6.9 billion (5.4%)
Netherlands: $6.5 billion (5.1%)
France: $5.4 billion (4.2%)
China: $3.3 billion (2.6%)
Spain: $3.2 billion (2.5%)
Japan: $3.1 billion (2.4%)
Italy: $2.6 billion (2.1%)
Australia: $1.6 billion (1.3%)
Israel: $1.6 billion (1.3%)
Poland: $1.5 billion (1.2%)
Mexico: $1.5 billion (1.2%)

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1385 on: September 13, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland

Totally agree.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1386 on: September 13, 2017, 06:37:24 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland
We want to be an outgoing cosmopolitan part of the great big world and not glued to an insular right wing xenophobic shower of hoors.
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1387 on: September 13, 2017, 06:59:53 PM »
So why is it averse to leave the EU? Would seem the logical to do to follow Britain out given the close trading links,and to ensure no physical border in Ireland
We want to be an outgoing cosmopolitan part of the great big world and not glued to an insular right wing xenophobic shower of hoors.

That's no way to talk about your EU masters.

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« Reply #1388 on: September 13, 2017, 07:36:59 PM »
That's no way to talk about your EU masters.

The EU are not our masters, it is an organisation in which we are partners.
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1389 on: September 13, 2017, 07:44:44 PM »
Ahhh Armaghniac you're bringing facts into things ;D
As for the bailout - that was a serious of loans which have to be PAID BACK WITH INTEREST!!!!
Our great "friends" in Westminster loaned us some money as prte of the bailout at 8% interest, reduced to 6% when rates dropped.
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1390 on: September 13, 2017, 07:57:28 PM »
Bullshit it was EU subventions that built up the infrastructure of the South.There is no sovereignty,all EU laws,no control over immigration etc

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1391 on: September 13, 2017, 08:02:23 PM »
Bullshit it was EU subventions that built up the infrastructure of the South.There is no sovereignty,all EU laws,no control over immigration etc

NI is in the EU as well, why is your infrastructure so far behind the south?
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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1392 on: September 13, 2017, 08:33:42 PM »
Our infrastructure has been way ahead of the South since our motorways were built in the 1960s

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1393 on: September 13, 2017, 08:54:55 PM »
That's no way to talk about your EU masters.

The EU are not our masters, it is an organisation in which we are partners.

That's what they tell you. In reality, it's an organisation where it's members bend over and take it up the jacksie.

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #1394 on: September 13, 2017, 09:06:09 PM »
Bullshit it was EU subventions that built up the infrastructure of the South.There is no sovereignty,all EU laws,no control over immigration etc

Au contraire:

"The expansion of the EU’s structural funds after the Maastricht treaty of 1992 was helpful, but even then transfers never exceeded 5% of Irish GDP, a far smaller proportion than, say, west German transfers to east Germany. The most authoritative studies suggest that EU subsidies may have added around 0.5% a year to growth during the 1990s—useful, but modest in the context of average growth of 6.9%."

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