Marc Wilson -Portsmouth

[Main Street]

Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.

.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.

So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules  but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.

The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.

FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.

Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.


EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum  here

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0

[T Fearon]

The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right

[dublinfella]

The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right

Yeah Tony, the ECHR and FIFA will take a stance on the Irish constitutional question because a footballer asked them to.

Whats the weather like on your planet?

[dublinfella]

Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.

.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.

So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules  but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.

The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.

FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.

Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.


EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum  here

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0

So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?

Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.

[Main Street]

EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum  here

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0



So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?

Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.

Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality  (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.

The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules  in June 2008 -  is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.

Single nationals with federation options  is now article 16  eg British national  with 4  football federations.

[stiffler]

Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.

.I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.

So you have no sources, no knowledge of the rules  but take the media reports as fact. You are a soft target.
You should have read the relevant discussion board threads.

The Media reported the IFA statement as they were the only ones to go public.
The IFA just can't keep their mouth shut, it's called premature ejaculation.

FIFA have stated that everything is the same as before.
The FAI have stated that everything is the same as before.
The wording of the FIFA articles support the FIFA and the FAI interpretation.
The rules were only clarified with new wording, no new rule was introduced.
There was no FIFA congress vote on new rules because there were no new rules.
These are the facts.

Three young lads from Derry have declared for the Republic since FIFA discarded the IFA's objections.


EDIT
already discussed ad nauseum  here

http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=8000.0

So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?

Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.

How the frick do you know that??

The sooner the IFA realise that 40% of the north follow the Irish team that plays in dublin, and aspires to wear their jersey, the better.

[dublinfella]

Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality  (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.

The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules  in June 2008 -  is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.

Single nationals with federation options  is now article 16  eg British national  with 4  football federations.

Much as I would love you to be right, Marc Wilson is 21 and did not have duel citizenship since birth. The GFA was signed in 1998, so at some point he 'acquired' a ROI passport.

This is not as simple as you are trying to make out. Its doubly hazy since he played for the 6 counties at underage level.

[dublinfella]

The sooner the IFA realise that 40% of the north follow the Irish team that plays in dublin, and aspires to wear their jersey, the better.

They do realise it, hence the efforts to stop them.

[Main Street]

Marc Wilson is a dual national, with citizenship from birth, he don't need no parents or grandparents born in the 26 co. to get that.
The Annex document introduced in 2003 referred to players acquiring a new nationality.
Players with dual nationality  (from birth) were not affected by that document, therefore the FAI could select players born in the North and continue to do so.

The Annex document was incorporated into FIFA rules  in June 2008 -  is now article nr 17.
Dual nationals are under article 15, Marc Wilson qualifies for the Republic under article 15.

Single nationals with federation options  is now article 16  eg British national  with 4  football federations.

Much as I would love you to be right, Marc Wilson is 21 and did not have duel citizenship since birth. The GFA was signed in 1998, so at some point he 'acquired' a ROI passport.

Have you even read the relevant rules from FIFA?
What is your level of comprehension of rule 15 and rule 16?
What is your level of comprehension about the Irish constitution?
The GFA has nothing to do with a person born on this Island being entitled to Irish citizenship.
That has been a persons birthright since the Free State was founded and enshrined in constitution of the Republic.
The GFA has nothing all to do with FIFA rules of eligibility. No bearing at all.

This is not as simple as you are trying to make out.

Nothing wrong with a simplicity arising from a a clear enough comprehension.

Its doubly hazy since he played for the 6 counties at underage level

Nothing hazy about that at all, if you understand the FIFA  rules of eligibility.
There are rules for changing federations.
Rule nr. 18

[Main Street]

The solution is for all six county players who wish to play for the FAI All Ireland team (not the "Republic") simply refuse to play for the six county unionist team, then take their cases to the European Court of Human rights a la Bosman, then FIFA will act unambiguously and do whats right

A player does not need permission from the IFA to do what he is entitled to do, i.e. declare for the Republic.
That permission is enshrined in FIFA rules of eligibility for National federations.

Fortunatly for the players, while FIFA are fronted by politicians in suits, there is a backbone of a legal department to make sure the rules are adhered to properly. That is one of the reasons the players from the North have been allowed to declare for the Republic, there is a proper legal understanding in FIFA of the rules of eligibility and the dual citizenship that is the birthright of players like Marc Wilson.

Should a player from the North be refused permission to register with the FAI then it would be up to the FAI to take it up with FIFA.
If FIFA were still not shifting then the FAI can only take it to the Sports Courts of Arbitration.
Then the ruling from that Sports Court is final. There is no going to the European Court of Human Rights.

 

[Our Nail Loney]

Apparently she was in the Sun last week, anyone see it?? I missed it 

[Our Nail Loney]

Would her name be Chelsea White by any chance??

http://www.page3.com/girl/chelsea_white/index.shtml?currentPage=7#main-image (NWS LINK)

[slow corner back]

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So FIFA didn't change the rules in light of the Quatari incident?

Like it or not Marc Wilson has never lived in the 26 counties, nor have his parents or grandparents. Having a passport is no longer enough by itself. The IFA have a technical point, despite it being petty and vindictive.
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Maik Taylor, current NI goalie has never lived in NI and qualifies due to having a GB passport which allowed him to pick whichever GB nation he wanted to play for. Since he would never get near the England team he picked NI he is not the first and will not be the last to do this.

[Main Street]

Now Maik Taylor would have to fulfill some criteria if he didn't want to declare for England, he would have to live in NI for 2 years,
therefore there won't be a rush from any players holding a UK passport   (ie those without a parent or grandparent from NI).

English born Alex Bruce declared for the Republic (unfortunatly) as he has a NI mother (fortunate or unfortunate?), that entitled him to apply for an Irish passport and qualify for the FAI..

So if Alex Bruce and any other player can qualify for Ireland just having a mother born in NI,  how can anybody still believe that it is any different for a player born in the 6 counties.

[carribbear]

What's your source for that? the IFA website? about the only place where you would find a source who actually believes that.


On Marc Wilson, he  has stated that each to his own but he is comfortable in his declaration for the Republic, he said he grew up supporting the Republic and he has been capped at all underage levels since.

Media reported at the time that Gibson got to stay a FAI player, but no further 6 county born players could play for the 26 county team. Being capped at underage level doesn't matter anymore.

I think its a bad decision, but it was the decision of FIFA. Especially if Marc Wilson does not hold a British passport he will be ineligible for the 6. But the fact remains FIFA require a player to have lived in the juristiction of his team for 5 years and Marc Wilson has not.

link please !

its unlikely to be true (as is most of what you say) as this would contravene EU law/legislation (rem bosman ?) for a start !