I see the delightful Kevin Myers is in some hot water as he published an article in the Sunday Times claiming that the BBC's best paid female presenters were paid more as they were Jewish. The Sundays Times has now pulled the article. This might or might not be a major thing, but he denied the Holocaust in the Indo 8 years ago, that article has now disappeared also.
And let me say that I have no time people critical of Isreali policies being regard as "anti-Semitic", that is bollix, but as the recent thread on concentration camps indicated you cannot deny the basic events in WW2.
Slap it up the ballix. Him, Ugly Edwards, Harris, O'Hanlon and O'Doherty are the unflushable turds of Irish journalism, one trick ponies droning on about the same subjects ad infinitum ::)
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2017, 03:04:29 PM
I see the delightful Kevin Myers is in some hot water as he published an article in the Sunday Times claiming that the BBC's best paid female presenters were paid more as they were Jewish. The Sundays Times has now pulled the article. This might or might not be a major thing, but he denied the Holocaust in the Indo 8 years ago, that article has now disappeared also.
And let me say that I have no time people critical of Isreali policies being regard as "anti-Semitic", that is bollix, but as the recent thread on concentration camps indicated you cannot deny the basic events in WW2.
The important point of this incident lies beyond Meyers in that the Times published the article on its website and only removed when noticed by others. Editors were happy to have an idiot produce the story and then blame him when they got their anti BBC and anti Semitic point across. The site has a pay wall hence not noticed earlier. Easy to apologise for mistake in publishing when the seed has been planted in the minds of many willing to think it might be true.
It's in today's Sunday Times paper version so wiping the website isn't going to achieve much, unless it's a different version.
According to RTE, Sunday Times has sacked the clown
Yep sacked.
Same as mackenzie you have to question the whole paper setup for letting the article through.
Scumbags will write what they are allowed to write.
Sack the author, fair enough. What about the editorial team that ran it ffs?!
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Are you Kevin Myers?
Quote from: armaghniac on July 30, 2017, 03:04:29 PM
I see the delightful Kevin Myers is in some hot water as he published an article in the Sunday Times claiming that the BBC's best paid female presenters were paid more as they were Jewish. The Sundays Times has now pulled the article. This might or might not be a major thing, but he denied the Holocaust in the Indo 8 years ago, that article has now disappeared also.
And let me say that I have no time people critical of Isreali policies being regard as "anti-Semitic", that is bollix, but as the recent thread on concentration camps indicated you cannot deny the basic events in WW2.
Taken down but not exterminated.
https://twitter.com/SamDiss/status/891594833298685953/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/SamDiss/status/891594833298685953/photo/1)
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Spot on. Jews in particular.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Spot on. Jews in particular.
Anything about jews and money?
You're a pair of right dimwits. :D
Exactly what did Myers say about Jews and money that was right?
Can't stand the Cnut. However I read the famous article where he claims to be a holocaust denier. It's not as bad as it sounds, he was just being pedantic about the language. Today's article was much worse. How does the editor escape with his job?
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Spot on. Jews in particular.
Anything about jews and money?
You're a pair of right dimwits. :D
Exactly what did Myers say about Jews and money that was right?
Well, re: holocaust. Why is it a crime in certain countries to deny it? Even if you're not cynical, that speaks volumes.
Myers implying that the two highest paid ladies on the BBC list and their Jewish inclination for being not shy for asking for a few more shekels had proven to be his downfall, who knew!
Good enough for the odious p***k.
Myers in now 70 . He should retire . Fwiw the article today was broadly right . He was silly to bring the Jewish aspect in to it. I would think at this time of the year editorial standards slip a bit .
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 30, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 30, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 30, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 30, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Astonishing the stuff we wrote week after week that was putrid nonsense. Who also can forget his writings about his time in Belfast in the 70s riding the wives of on-the-run IRA lads.
Complete and utter ballbag.
Myers is obnoxious and offensive but it is interesting that it was an article about Jews that brought him down. Not something about Muslims or women or itinerants. You can't say anything about Jews and money. Even if it is true
Spot on. Jews in particular.
Anything about jews and money?
You're a pair of right dimwits. :D
Exactly what did Myers say about Jews and money that was right?
Well, re: holocaust. Why is it a crime in certain countries to deny it? Even if you're not cynical, that speaks volumes.
The question is, exactly what did Myers say about Jews and money that was right?
It might help you if you read the quotes from the Myers article that Seafold is referring to.
Myers was wrong about Iraq. He was very wrong. He reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson.
Netanyahu was recorded recently saying that the EU will fall apart if it doesn't respect Israels right to run apartheid. Judaism has problems with quality control.
The money thing is very dangerous when economic systems collapse. Ordinary Jews pay the price. Hidden in thunder is a book about how Orthodox Jews deal with the holocaust.
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2017, 12:45:16 PM
Myers was wrong about Iraq. He was very wrong. He reminds me of Jeremy Clarkson.
hes entitled to be wrong ,in a free free country , myeras in my opinion was wrong in almost everything he wrong. especially about the money grabbing Irish traitors who fought for england
BUT
it show the sad way the world is gone that it was not a holocaust denial article that brought him down 8 years ago but one in which he stated that Jews are very good at getting what they are worth .
If he said this about any race it would not have been even commented on and hes ill informed ideas about female apy would have cause a tiny ripple of controversy amonst other who want to put a hugely complex idea into a black and white situation
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2017, 02:28:46 PM
Netanyahu was recorded recently saying that the EU will fall apart if it doesn't respect Israels right to run apartheid.
Where is that quote? Afaia, he was not recorded as saying that.
QuoteJudaism has problems with quality control.
???
Judaism is a religion which has problems with quality control?
QuoteThe money thing is very dangerous when economic systems collapse. Ordinary Jews pay the price.
???
Somewhere hidden in there is the key to explaining why the 2 ladies were the subject of the attention from the vile chauvinist Myers?
QuoteHidden in thunder is a book about how Orthodox Jews deal with the holocaust.
No it is not. It's a book about how Jews in general dealt with the holocaust during and after.
Orthodox Jews were just a small minority of the Jews around Europe at that time.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 31, 2017, 02:28:46 PM
Netanyahu was recorded recently saying that the EU will fall apart if it doesn't respect Israels right to run apartheid.
Where is that quote? Afaia, he was not recorded as saying that.
QuoteJudaism has problems with quality control.
???
Judaism is a religion which has problems with quality control?
QuoteThe money thing is very dangerous when economic systems collapse. Ordinary Jews pay the price.
???
Somewhere hidden in there is the key to explaining why the 2 ladies were the subject of the attention from the vile chauvinist Myers?
QuoteHidden in thunder is a book about how Orthodox Jews deal with the holocaust.
No it is not. It's a book about how Jews in general dealt with the holocaust during and after.
Orthodox Jews were just a small minority of the Jews around Europe at that time.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.750150
""She is also considered the Haredi community's leading scholar on the Holocaust, being best known for her monumental two-volume work, "Hidden in Thunder" – a study of rabbinic responsa that emerged from the Holocaust, shedding light on the struggles of observant Jews at the time
.For decades, the Holocaust remained mostly stuff of pious legends, used throughout the Haredi press, in weekly sermons and pamphlets, children's literature and classrooms, popular novels and memoirs, all focusing on the hand of God throughout ghettos and camps, and where those who risked their lives to observe the mitzvot were usually rewarded."
The Netanyahu quote is here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/19/eu-will-wither-and-die-if-it-does-not-change-policy-on-israel-netanyahu
I think Judaism is a mess.They never dealt with the trauma of the Holocaust. They thought God rewarded them with Israel. It doesn't work like that.
Why did you stop contributing at Mondoweiss?
http://mondoweiss.net/profile/seafoid/
Myers doesn't always do his homework. I've seen numerous pieces from him where he has gotten his facts blatantly wrong.
He makes a few interesting points sometimes, but his obnoxious and insulting tone just makes you want to punch him. Every point has a "liberal a$$holes are going to hate this but..." preamble. It's like he feels the need to get his retaliation in first for the backlash that he thinks is sure to come. I mean, who would present an argument laced with personal insults and expect that to be persuasive? I just don't understand that at all. :o
Quote from: seafoid on August 01, 2017, 04:15:33 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.750150
""She is also considered the Haredi community's leading scholar on the Holocaust, being best known for her monumental two-volume work, "Hidden in Thunder" – a study of rabbinic responsa that emerged from the Holocaust, shedding light on the struggles of observant Jews at the time
For decades, the Holocaust remained mostly stuff of pious legends, used throughout the Haredi press, in weekly sermons and pamphlets, children's literature and classrooms, popular novels and memoirs, all focusing on the hand of God throughout ghettos and camps, and where those who risked their lives to observe the mitzvot were usually rewarded."
Right so, it's a book about how orthodoxy emerged from the Holocaust experience of 'observant jews' who were not orthodox at the time of the holocaust, something changed with the experience of the holocaust.
It's not a book about how orthodox jews experienced the holocaust that you claimed it to be because orthodox jews were just a smaller part of the 'observant jews' in Europe.
QuoteThe Netanyahu quote is here
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/19/eu-will-wither-and-die-if-it-does-not-change-policy-on-israel-netanyahu
More ducking and diving.
There is no such Netanyahu quote that you attributed to him,
"the EU will fall apart if it doesn't respect Israels right to run apartheid".
It's not a quote from Netanyahu, it's your selective interpretation of what he said, yet you claimed that's what he was recorded as saying.
You're indulging in Myerism, Seafold.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 01, 2017, 06:54:10 PM
Myers doesn't always do his homework. I've seen numerous pieces from him where he has gotten his facts blatantly wrong.
He makes a few interesting points sometimes, but his obnoxious and insulting tone just makes you want to punch him. Every point has a "liberal a$$holes are going to hate this but..." preamble. It's like he feels the need to get his retaliation in first for the backlash that he thinks is sure to come. I mean, who would present an argument laced with personal insults and expect that to be persuasive? I just don't understand that at all. :o
It is not just his obnoxious tone, he's simply not a good journalist and a bad historian.
He is defective on all three levels, perception, inference and authority.
Perception - interpretation of the event, inference - coming to a conclusion on the basis of evidence and reasoning and authority - knowledge of objective studies and general quality research, other peoples' work.
Quote from: Main Street on August 01, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 01, 2017, 06:54:10 PM
Myers doesn't always do his homework. I've seen numerous pieces from him where he has gotten his facts blatantly wrong.
He makes a few interesting points sometimes, but his obnoxious and insulting tone just makes you want to punch him. Every point has a "liberal a$$holes are going to hate this but..." preamble. It's like he feels the need to get his retaliation in first for the backlash that he thinks is sure to come. I mean, who would present an argument laced with personal insults and expect that to be persuasive? I just don't understand that at all. :o
It is not just his obnoxious tone, he's simply not a good journalist and a bad historian.
He is defective on all three levels, perception, inference and authority.
Perception - interpretation of the event, inference - coming to a conclusion on the basis of evidence and reasoning and authority - knowledge of objective studies and general quality research, other peoples' work.
Bang on.
His understanding of history is questionable, at least his understanding of the non revised to suit the narrative that "Taigs/native Irish/anyone that did not serve under arms for the crown was filthy rebel scum that deserved a lash of the cutlass and jolly well don't do it again old chap"
He siezed upon Peter Harts -now utterly discredited work - and bastardised it with abandon to try and strengthen the canard that the War of independence was all about religion.
What is revealing is the way the establishment is circling the wagons and a full on redemption of "Kevin the good" is now underway.
I have to say I am enjoying Kevin's misjudgement immensely.
I seem to remember one time he wrote about the inferiority of native North American Indian culture and asked what names did they ever leave on anything. I felt like writing in and telling him to ask the people of North Dakota, South Dakota, and any of the other 26 states named by native Americans.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 01, 2017, 10:09:27 PM
I seem to remember one time he wrote about the inferiority of native North American Indian culture and asked what names did they ever leave on anything. I felt like writing in and telling him to ask the people of North Dakota, South Dakota, and any of the other 26 states named by native Americans.
Wouldn't surprise me , Kev wrote a stunning piece a while ago that went along the line of the following
Confederate Southern States = Good that the slave owning /selling/kidnapping & trading in slaves bit was totally exaggerated by the left and that the confederacy only wanted to mind their own business.
That Lincoln was the leader of the IRA of its time and place :o
Then finished up with calling Obama a half breed.
Lovely chap is Kev, lovely chap.
I see he's made a grovelling and rather pathetic apology. The thing is he seems to have only apologised for the Jewish comment where, in my option, the sexist remarks he made were actually much more offensive.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/kevin-myers-launches-scathing-attack-on-sunday-times-over-his-dismissal-36332616.html
He also rounded on major news outlets in Ireland and the UK for their coverage of the affair.
"It was immediately labelled in the twitosphere as [a] toxic anti-Semitic rant. That went around the world in an hour or two and by 3.30am in the morning my career as a journalist was over while I slept and you slept.
At 4am in the morning the editor of The Sunday Times was woken up and took down my column online and that pretty much was that. Anybody who knows me, such as the Jews of Ireland, knows that I am not anti-Semitic and I am and remain a firm friend of Israel.
"That made no difference to the two newsrooms - the RTE newsroom who know me and the BBC newsroom who don't know me. But I was the number one item on the news that day in Ireland and Britain.
"They were content to repeat the lies that I was an anti-Semite. Across the world that day I was the number one news story, even though North Korea had fired a missile the night before. My admittedly poor column became an excuse to destroy me."
In quotes carried by the Leinster Express, he said he was amazed by the criticism he received from fellow journalists and well-known figures.
"That day, JK Rowling, who has 15 million followers in America, joined in the internet lynch mob. One of her followers was Chelsea Clinton. She too has millions of followers. We have an exponentially growing campaign against me describing me as what I am not.
"At midday I was told I was fired by The Sunday Times. The editor of The Sunday Times made a statement to the press. Not only was I being fired but I would never ever be employed by The Sunday Times again.
This is the kind of punishment you reserve for a paedophile, for a rapist, for an unrepentant terrorist. There was, of course, no process, no due process, no enquiry, no phone conversation, nothing. I was fired for all time.
"The worst damage came from the Taoiseach [Leo Varadkar] and Tánaiste [Frances Fitzgerald]. When I thought I was steadying the ship, the Taoiseach not merely applauded my dismissal but by extension, he applauded my being banned for the rest of my life by the Sunday Times without any due process, consultation and without even a single phone call."
My heart bleeds for him.
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No sympathy for him but it's increasingly the way things are going, witch hunts all over the shop, presumed innocence is a thing of the past if you get caught up in a social media whirlwind.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 19, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
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+1
Priceless! ;D
Quote from: bennydorano on November 19, 2017, 10:35:55 AM
No sympathy for him but it's increasingly the way things are going, witch hunts all over the shop, presumed innocence is a thing of the past if you get caught up in a social media whirlwind.
Thats the price for having different opinions. People get "offended"
Kevin is a victim of people with media access using him to pursue their own agenda without much concern about the exact importance of the issue.
As a foremost exponent of this behaviour he is in no position to complain.