Anastasia Kriegel

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seafoid

Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2019, 02:50:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 19, 2019, 01:55:59 PM

I have to say the guards can get a hard time in the press (and rightfully so when required) but they seem to have put together a really good case here and well covered by the IT article.

The Gardai did an amazing job in stitching up the case on Boy B.

Boy B may have been a stooge of Boy A, who was bigger, stronger, into martial arts, etc. Or he may have been the mastermind behind the plan (or at least very willing voyueur to it). The pure text of his interviews and the fact he actually called to her house and saw her father would give some doubt that he knew what was going to happen. But apparently his demeanour, tone, body language during all the interviews where he consistently lied, led the jurors to conclude that he was fully aware of what would happen to poor Ana.

If he'd taken Boy A's approach to dealing with the Gardai (say nowt) then he probably wouldn't even have been charged, never mind convicted.

They weren't very sophisticated

Left behind a body
CCTV everywhere
Couldn't open a bra

Porn isn't real
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Main Street

Boy B picking the girl up at her home puts a spanner in most theories about his level of culpability in the planning and knowledge of what was going to happen.



Hound

Quote from: Main Street on June 19, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
Boy B picking the girl up at her home puts a spanner in most theories about his level of culpability in the planning and knowledge of what was going to happen.
Yep.
Although only 13 at the time, known to be very smart, but that's smart for a 13 year old, so maybe not as smart as he thinks he is.
Reports suggested that he did appear very cool and calculating and even callous in the police interviews. And the jury saw all the interviews and all 12 were convinced he knew.


Rossfan

I have an uneasy feeling over the murder  conviction of " Boy B".
It just doesn't sit right somehow.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Main Street

Quote from: Hound on June 19, 2019, 04:07:42 PM
Quote from: Main Street on June 19, 2019, 03:06:50 PM
Boy B picking the girl up at her home puts a spanner in most theories about his level of culpability in the planning and knowledge of what was going to happen.
Yep.
Although only 13 at the time, known to be very smart, but that's smart for a 13 year old, so maybe not as smart as he thinks he is.
Reports suggested that he did appear very cool and calculating and even callous in the police interviews. And the jury saw all the interviews and all 12 were convinced he knew.
The clinical psychologist had a different take on boy B's level of smartness than the detective's
The jury were denied the evidence from the clinical psychologist of why the boy told stories (instead of coming clean) and what it meant.
The judge denied this expert evidence, claiming that the jury did not not need to be told that a 13 year old would be shocked to witness a murder,  something he called an "ordinary human reaction". Did the judge assume these were 2 normal humans?
Is the judge an expert in child clinical psychology? If the judge accepted that the boy experienced shock he should have allowed a clinician's explanation of how this trauma affected this boy's behavior in the interviews, seeing as 99% of the case against boy B were the interviews.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ana-kriegel-verdict-psychologist-said-boy-b-was-a-pleasant-nice-lad-suffering-from-ptsd-931434.html


gallsman

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2019, 11:13:13 AM

No surprises there...sourced no doubt from a leak from AGS....

Ah come off it. Everyone around leixlip and Lucan knows who they are and what they look like. You don't think any of their fellow students might have thought "jaysus look, boy a and boy b have both left school this year, and Ana's dead. Isn't that weird?"

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2019, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2019, 11:13:13 AM

No surprises there...sourced no doubt from a leak from AGS....

Ah come off it. Everyone around leixlip and Lucan knows who they are and what they look like. You don't think any of their fellow students might have thought "jaysus look, boy a and boy b have both left school this year, and Ana's dead. Isn't that weird?"

No dispute about that but don't be under any illusion....this is a great 'victory' for AGS.

armaghniac

Conviction of murderers is a victory for AGS and all of us.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

general_lee

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2019, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 19, 2019, 07:35:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 19, 2019, 11:13:13 AM

No surprises there...sourced no doubt from a leak from AGS....

Ah come off it. Everyone around leixlip and Lucan knows who they are and what they look like. You don't think any of their fellow students might have thought "jaysus look, boy a and boy b have both left school this year, and Ana's dead. Isn't that weird?"

No dispute about that but don't be under any illusion....this is a great 'victory' for AGS.
Surely giving themselves more work to do?

manfromdelmonte

nothing surprises me anymore with children and parents

nothing

RIP to the girl and condolences to her family

moysider

Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
I have an uneasy feeling over the murder  conviction of " Boy B".
It just doesn't sit right somehow.

How's that Rossfan?

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Norf Tyrone

Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2019, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
I have an uneasy feeling over the murder  conviction of " Boy B".
It just doesn't sit right somehow.

How's that Rossfan?

I agree. There's not much evidence against him.
Owen Roe O'Neills GAC, Leckpatrick, Tyrone

moysider

Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 20, 2019, 12:14:34 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 19, 2019, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
I have an uneasy feeling over the murder  conviction of " Boy B".
It just doesn't sit right somehow.

How's that Rossfan?

I agree. There's not much evidence against him.

I suspect the 14 hour jury deliberation was mostly about Boy B.
I was interested in this case - working with kids all my life - and as the trial developed I thought it became clear that 'Boy B' ' actions facilitated a murder.
No 'Boy B' and that girl would not have been murdered that evening. Maybe somebody else, or her, at another time and place.
He lured her to meet another lad in an abandoned house 3km. away. A boy that had already told him he wanted to kill the girl.
Evidence; he was on cctv footage going into the park with the girl and returning without her. Boy A was seen returning from the park ( limping according to some journalists that saw the tapes).
'Boy B' changed his story all the time. However, he admitted he was there when Boy A started the assault on the girl and watched at least some of it. The cctv footage timeline shows that 'Boy B' could have watched the whole assault.
Not only did he lead her to a killer, he probably could have saved her if he intervened when she was attacked.