Is the Micko hype Justified or just a page filler...?

[highorlow]

At the risk of sounding contradictory I'm just interested to here peoples views on this? 3 pages dedicated to him in today's indo and the weekend's papers all have a full report.

I think it was the late late Micko was on last year and came across as liking the limelight. After this w/end i think this is all the man is after. The final whistle had just blown on Saturday and Micko was ready for an interview from Setanta.

Maybe its just the time of year and the journo's have to fill pages?

No offence to Wicklow supporters hope ye do well this year, hope the hype doesn't end in disaster that's all.

[man in black]

At the risk of sounding contradictory I'm just interested to here peoples views on this? 3 pages dedicated to him in today's indo and the weekend's papers all have a full report.

I think it was the late late Micko was on last year and came across as liking the limelight. After this w/end i think this is all the man is after. The final whistle had just blown on Saturday and Micko was ready for an interview from Setanta.

Maybe its just the time of year and the journo's have to fill pages?

No offence to Wicklow supporters hope ye do well this year, hope the hype doesn't end in disaster that's all.

Usual ass kissing shit from the indo. Micko should have quit when cork gobbed them in 87. He had his day.

[laoislad]

In fairness Micko is a great manager he brought Laois from getting beat by 12 points by Meath in the qualifiers one year to winning Leinster the next..
Right some might say thats all he did..yeah we lost 2 more finals and only got as far as All Ireland 1/4 in the four years he was with us but if it hadn't been for him we still would be a lowly team instead of one of the country's top 5/6
With Laois though as  with Wicklow now there was an awful amount of hype and after the inital honeymoon period i don't think the hype was good for the players and i think he stayed a year or two too long with Laois
For instance you would be hard pressed to find anything about Laois in the papers at the moment and i think that is better for the team right now
As for Wicklow i think the hype can only do them good as it will build their confidence and isn't it good they are in the papers for the right reasons ie winning rather than the usual shite we hear about fighting and players not wanting to play etc etc and i for one hope to hear more from Wicklow as Leinster needs it, I sincerly hope they do well this year

[tayto]

It'll be interesting to see how Laois get on this year without him.

[man in black]

It'll be interesting to see how Laois get on this year without him.

Unless they spend the winter lifting weights i'd predict a run in the powder puff Leinster championship and then a spanking when they meet anyone half decent. Good talent there but lightweight.

[magpie seanie]

Laois will do well this year.

[laoislad]

It'll be interesting to see how Laois get on this year without him.

Unless they spend the winter lifting weights i'd predict a run in the powder puff Leinster championship and then a spanking when they meet anyone half decent. Good talent there but lightweight.

Hard to disagree with ya MIB about Laois being lightweight and from what i know the weight trainning has been on going since november,but it's not Laois's fault they are in the Leinster Championship either and i for one would be happy if they won that
And as for getting a spanking? was this the same spanking Tyrone and Mayo were going to give them last year coz the only one who beat them by a big margin in last years championship were Dublin who are a Leinster team
Mayo were lucky to get away with it the first day and they hardly demolished us in the replay

[man in black]

It'll be interesting to see how Laois get on this year without him.

Unless they spend the winter lifting weights i'd predict a run in the powder puff Leinster championship and then a spanking when they meet anyone half decent. Good talent there but lightweight.

Hard to disagree with ya MIB about Laois being lightweight and from what i know the weight trainning has been on going since november,but it's not Laois's fault they are in the Leinster Championship either and i for one would be happy if they won that
And as for getting a spanking? was this the same spanking Tyrone and Mayo were going to give them last year coz the only one who beat them by a big margin in last years championship were Dublin who are a Leinster team
Mayo were lucky to get away with it the first day and they hardly demolished us in the replay

You and i both know that the Tyrone team you beat was not at full strength (not laois fault i know), and as for mayo well we know how good they are. Laois are probably 8-10 points a game behind any serious all-ireland contender.

[Mike Sheehy]

Usual ass kissing shit from the indo. Micko should have quit when cork gobbed them in 87. He had his day.

Unless they spend the winter lifting weights i'd predict a run in the powder puff Leinster championship and then a spanking when they meet anyone half decent. Good talent there but lightweight

You and i both know that the Tyrone team you beat was not at full strength (not laois fault i know), and as for mayo well we know how good they are. Laois are probably 8-10 points a game behind any serious all-ireland contender.

Another mouthy Tyrone fan. Brilliant. I was almost getting bored with the recent lack of bombast from the red hands.

[ross matt]

With the greatest of respect to the man the press coverage he's getting at this stage is totally out of proportion and a wee bit patronising. I totally admire his enthusiam not just for football but for life in general and I understand how he would be a great motivator in the dressingroom but the amount of credit he gets is just rooted in lazy journalism.

His record as a player is phenomenal in terms of achievement and longetivity (still playing senior club at 48!). Obviously his management cv (the Kerry part) is also impressive but it must be put in some sort of perspective regarding both the quality of players at his disposal and the opposition he faced. With Kildare he won 2 Leinsters in two long spells that very few modern managers would be allowed have. I'm amazed that a Laois contributor is content with the silverware that he gained for them. After winning a series of minor and u-21 titles one senior Leinster is a very poor return.

I think there are similarities between himself and Paudi. Both men undoubtedly have genuine credibility as players and managers. But sadly now both have become media legends who like the limelight and give good copy and are plying their trade with counties that have little or no chance of success. I would think both of them would much prefer to be managing their native green and gold. But there is now a world of difference between them and the low profile, efficient modern manner in which the likes of the excellent Jack O'Connor steered the Kerry ship these last few seasons. Roll on the spring and summer when journalists get some meaningful material to write about.

[two man tackle]

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[laoislad]

With the greatest of respect to the man the press coverage he's getting at this stage is totally out of proportion and a wee bit patronising. I totally admire his enthusiam not just for football but for life in general and I understand how he would be a great motivator in the dressingroom but the amount of credit he gets is just rooted in lazy journalism.

His record as a player is phenomenal in terms of achievement and longetivity (still playing senior club at 48!). Obviously his management cv (the Kerry part) is also impressive but it must be put in some sort of perspective regarding both the quality of players at his disposal and the opposition he faced. With Kildare he won 2 Leinsters in two long spells that very few modern managers would be allowed have. I'm amazed that a Laois contributor is content with the silverware that he gained for them. After winning a series of minor and u-21 titles one senior Leinster is a very poor return.

I think there are similarities between himself and Paudi. Both men undoubtedly have genuine credibility as players and managers. But sadly now both have become media legends who like the limelight and give good copy and are plying their trade with counties that have little or no chance of success. I would think both of them would much prefer to be managing their native green and gold. But there is now a world of difference between them and the low profile, efficient modern manner in which the likes of the excellent Jack O'Connor steered the Kerry ship these last few seasons. Roll on the spring and summer when journalists get some meaningful material to write about.

Never said i was content but you have to remember Laois had not won a Leinster for 57 years and im fairly certain if it wasn't for Dwyer we still wouldn't have
Of course i would have loved more and really the two we lost Westmeath 04 Dublin 05 we should have won both
Anyway despite what some are sayiong the best is not behind us and hopefully there will be more silverware to come

[Josey Whales]

i think that's a load of rubbish matt to be honest.
Cast your mind back if you may and ask yourself how often did kildare win anything prior to him being there and the same for Laois. As i pointed out in a prior thread laois never won an u21 all-ireland they played in one final- 80% of their players on the minor teams never cut it at senior level simply because they were made celebrities at a ridiculously young age. Micko even said that himself. u21 is the gauge for success in my view because the players will come through at that stage- minor means little or nothing in the general scheme of senior inter county football- that's why maughan hasn't brought any of the roscommon players on. I thought he raised laosi to a level they hadn't made previously and their failings was more down to the attitude of some of the players like Parkinson for example who is a case study of a star underage player who thought he was something he wasn't.
I know myself as a Dub - we viewed laois and kildare as absolute cannon fodder- one ex-dub said to me a good team to get the scoring averages up against. That doesn't exist anymore and that whether you like it or not is down to Micko.
We don't particularly like Kerrymen in Dublin but you can't argue with the facts-success follows him. Even if he wins nothing with wicklow- he's raised the profile of the county and kids in Wicklow will start following the team. He's given Wicklow players something to aspire to - how that can be a bad thing is beyond me? He's gone to a footballing backwater and is trying to bring them up a level- i disagree entirely with what you're saying.

[laoislad]

i think that's a load of rubbish matt to be honest.
Cast your mind back if you may and ask yourself how often did kildare win anything prior to him being there and the same for Laois. As i pointed out in a prior thread laois never won an u21 all-ireland they played in one final- 80% of their players on the minor teams never cut it at senior level simply because they were made celebrities at a ridiculously young age. Micko even said that himself. u21 is the gauge for success in my view because the players will come through at that stage- minor means little or nothing in the general scheme of senior inter county football- that's why maughan hasn't brought any of the roscommon players on. I thought he raised laosi to a level they hadn't made previously and their failings was more down to the attitude of some of the players like Parkinson for example who is a case study of a star underage player who thought he was something he wasn't.
I know myself as a Dub - we viewed laois and kildare as absolute cannon fodder- one ex-dub said to me a good team to get the scoring averages up against. That doesn't exist anymore and that whether you like it or not is down to Micko.
We don't particularly like Kerrymen in Dublin but you can't argue with the facts-success follows him. Even if he wins nothing with wicklow- he's raised the profile of the county and kids in Wicklow will start following the team. He's given Wicklow players something to aspire to - how that can be a bad thing is beyond me? He's gone to a footballing backwater and is trying to bring them up a level- i disagree entirely with what you're saying.

Couldn't agree more exactly what i was trying to say only with more feeling,looks like we argee on something josey

[tayto]

Of course i would have loved more and really the two we lost Westmeath 04 Dublin 05 we should have won both

Could have won both, I'm not too sure about should have.

anyways, well said Josey!