French Terrorist Attacks

[seafoid]

A neighbour of mine (a family from Islamabad) who are very well educated, couple of houses good jobs and with children who have worked really hard , in great universities in London (all A star results).

The son was at college doing well but having   been a top student to a normal student with other lads better than him in his class, he felt as if he was underachieving... While at the college during that time he was being picked on, lets say by radicals within this top London college... His father got wind of this and took him home... He's been home ever since and dropped out...

My point is that none educated no money kids and educated and plenty money kids is not the issue, if the timing is right then anybody can be enlisted

I think they go for  a particular type of punter looking for meaning in life and that they can spend many days coaxing them onside.

[haveaharp]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

Is it just the Islmaic veil you think should be banned? What about beards or anything else that might change one's appearance?

Not at all. Im unlikely to be able to carry out my daily business wearing a balaclava all day so i think anything that only leaves the eyes visible shouldn't be tolerated. No problem with the head scarf thing if they want as the face is at least visible. But overall the whole modesty thing its a load of old nonsense, it's not for the womans benefit no matter what she is told to believe.

[lickthem]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html



Written 2005.

[Edit] A friend sent me this on.

If that is real its pretty amazing.

[give her dixie]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html



Written 2005.

[Edit] A friend sent me this on.

10 years later, and he isn't too far off the mark. A very enlightening read.

[NAG1]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html



Written 2005.

[Edit] A friend sent me this on.

10 years later, and he isn't too far off the mark. A very enlightening read.

Except the fact that Al Qaida has been subsumed by IS and are now on the periphery of this drive for a territorial state.

[Franko]

There will be no elimination of anything. There never is. Eventually the doves on both sides will have to talk, it might take 20 years of bombing and killing but that's what will happen. Anyone who thinks they can fight a war to victory is not learning from history in this type of conflict.

I agree about not learning from history but this scenario is unprecedented.

There are no doves in ISIS itchy with respect. That's the crux of the problem. There will be no negotiation with anybody of any stature in ISIS. They wont want to talk anyway and anyone captured alive will be tried for mass murder/'war crimes'

I used the word unprecedented and no doubt somebody will have a precedent but this movement is driven by an interpretation of a religion. It is not about resources, imperialism etc. It is driven by religious dogma.

if this is nurtured and allowed to continue for 20 years, expect a lot of bombing in cities near us. History has also taught us that you cant allow a cult (like the Nazis were) to fester and get momentum.

It's a byproduct of Sunni grievances as well.
These have to be addressed.

In the north the Brits eventually understood that it was required to spend lots of money on infrastructure and social stuff to defang the paramilitaries. Same in Syria/Iraq.

This is on a completely different level.  The indoctrination of these people has happened.  These beliefs are now ingrained and a few roads and hospitals will not remove them.  Even during the worst of the troubles there was still some semblance of social order in the north.  In Syria the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

It is Franko but if you whack the IS mole another will pop up because of the grievances.

What are these grievances?

Anything seafoid?

In Iraq, Shia brutality (eg death squads) against the Sunni minority which for years was in power. Now the Shia run the show.

In Syria, lack of access to power and all the goodies that go with it. Assad is a Shia so most of the most powerful jobs and associated patronage go to his cronies.

You can only go about addressing grievances if they are in any way legitimate.  During the Saddam (Sunni) years the Sunni minority were infamous for the atrocities inflicted upon the Shiites.  Just as there is a natural reaction to western brutality, that has been beaten to death on this thread and others, this was the only natural response by the Shiites to years of brutalisation at the hands of Saddam and his militias.

Surely the fact that they now HAVE all the power and control in Syria would mean that this 'grievance' has now been addressed??

I don't accept that these have anything to do with the indiscriminate brutal attacks on innocents by ISIS.  More like lame excuses.

[screenexile]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

[haveaharp]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

Draw the line at full faced veils maybe, as the moderate largely Islamic state of Senegal have done. You mention a free society, the very act of wearing burkas/full veils etc is an act of repression against women in my opinion.

[whitey]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

It's a public safety issue........EVEYONE needs to be indetifiable when in public.

What abut the rights and safety of the 99.9% of people who don't wear face coverings???

[seafoid]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

Draw the line at full faced veils maybe, as the moderate largely Islamic state of Senegal have done. You mention a free society, the very act of wearing burkas/full veils etc is an act of repression against women in my opinion.

It depends on the women really. Some of them just might not want any hassle.  Or it might be a personal choice.

[Milltown Row2]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

Draw the line at full faced veils maybe, as the moderate largely Islamic state of Senegal have done. You mention a free society, the very act of wearing burkas/full veils etc is an act of repression against women in my opinion.

It depends on the women really. Some of them just might not want any hassle.  Or it might be a personal choice.

I'm all for it in fairness... Was driving down the Falls earlier today and there could be a case for some of the Muppets I seen!!

[haveaharp]

Attacks in Bamako Mali today. Radisson hotel attacked. Body count climbing.

[JimStynes]

Attacks in Bamako Mali today. Radisson hotel attacked. Body count climbing.

Didn't happen in Europe. We don't care.

[muppet]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

It's a public safety issue........EVEYONE needs to be indetifiable when in public.

What abut the rights and safety of the 99.9% of people who don't wear face coverings???

Shouldn't we condier the NRA line of argument?

1) Everyone should be armed;
2) Everyone should wear face coverings;
3) If people die after we introduce 1) & 2) then they are doing it wrong so go back to 1) and start again.

[whitey]

Meanwhile Procol Harum raise their ugly heads again.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34852971

Interesting move by Senegal one that should be adopted everywhere in Europe imho.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34854939

That's ridiculous!! How can our society be free if we're not allowed to wear the clothes that we want?!!

I think that even more so than we are having our privacies/freedom's encroached on now it is going to get worse. We are going to have to sacrifice a lot of freedom and privacy for the sake of our security but where do we draw the line?

It's a public safety issue........EVEYONE needs to be indetifiable when in public.

What abut the rights and safety of the 99.9% of people who don't wear face coverings???

Shouldn't we condier the NRA line of argument?

1) Everyone should be armed;
2) Everyone should wear face coverings;
3) If people die after we introduce 1) & 2) then they are doing it wrong so go back to 1) and start again.

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