Lockerbie Bomber Freed

Started by umgolaarmagh, August 20, 2009, 03:19:39 PM

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nifan

Did libya not take responsibility for the bombing several years ago?

Doogie Browser

Bad news for Libyans everywhere, diplomatic tensions have led to a major announcement from the UK Govt...Randy Andy the Grand ole Duke of Pork may not visit Libya next month  :o.
Gadaffi is distraught at this news.

Minder

Quote from: nifan on August 21, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Did libya not take responsibility for the bombing several years ago?

They did and paid each family of the deceased $8m
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

Gnevin

Anyone else find it interesting that the UK has been forgotten and its all the Government of Scotland ?
Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Gnevin on August 21, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that the UK has been forgotten and its all the Government of Scotland ?
Well they made the decision and Alex Salmond wantd to show the US/the world that little Scotland was an "independent" state and wasn't afraid to take big decisions.

Scotland will pay for that decision in the long run.

red hander

Quote from: Minder on August 21, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: nifan on August 21, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Did libya not take responsibility for the bombing several years ago?

They did and paid each family of the deceased $8m

Yeah, but there are still strong suggestions this was a purely diplomatic move to grease the wheels of Libya's acceptance back into the international fold ... Libya needed western investment to develop its oil fields + the west needed Libya's oil = deal ... Paul Foot did some great investigative stuff into Lockerbie and he was 100% convinced the Libyans were fallguys

stew

Quote from: red hander on August 21, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 21, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: nifan on August 21, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Did libya not take responsibility for the bombing several years ago?

They did and paid each family of the deceased $8m

Yeah, but there are still strong suggestions this was a purely diplomatic move to grease the wheels of Libya's acceptance back into the international fold ... Libya needed western investment to develop its oil fields + the west needed Libya's oil = deal ... Paul Foot did some great investigative stuff into Lockerbie and he was 100% convinced the Libyans were fallguys

So naturally they accepted the blame, paid off the families to the tune of millions of quid and apoligised to the families.  ::)
Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

mylestheslasher

It quite simple really. He was released so that he would not continue with his appeal. Certain states did not want the dirty truth to come out in the appeal so it is best all left buried. As for Hilary and Obama crying about the scots, they'd do well to look in their own back yard first. For example, many believe Lockerbie was revenge for the yanks blowing a passenger plane out of the sky during the iran iraq war when the US ship in the gulf (nicknamed Robocop due to its over reaction to any ship in the vicinity) mistook a passenger plane taking of for a war plane desending to bomb them! Now maybe Hillary and Obama can make sure the perpetrators of this war crime do not get early release from prison, oh wait they were never jailed and instead got promotions and medals. Americas hypocrisy is breathtaking at times.

muppet

Quote from: Hound on August 21, 2009, 01:53:21 PM
I heard some Scottish bird from a victim's group saying he was entitled under rule of law to be released given his circumstances, and other convicted murderers have been similarly released under similar circumstances. Therefore she thought it was not unreasonable.

Though she also said that if the guy did play a part in the bombing it was a relatively small part and the real offender(s) have not been brought to justice.

This is key for me. The US are happy to accept the deaths of Scottish soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq for an attack in New York, but are not happy to accept Scottish justice because it is different to their own.
MWWSI 2017

stew

Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 21, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
It quite simple really. He was released so that he would not continue with his appeal. Certain states did not want the dirty truth to come out in the appeal so it is best all left buried. As for Hilary and Obama crying about the scots, they'd do well to look in their own back yard first. For example, many believe Lockerbie was revenge for the yanks blowing a passenger plane out of the sky during the iran iraq war when the US ship in the gulf (nicknamed Robocop due to its over reaction to any ship in the vicinity) mistook a passenger plane taking of for a war plane desending to bomb them! Now maybe Hillary and Obama can make sure the perpetrators of this war crime do not get early release from prison, oh wait they were never jailed and instead got promotions and medals. Americas hypocrisy is breathtaking at times.

I was not talking about America's role, I was talking about the Lybians role.

How a military force like America has can mistake a passenger plane for a bird of war is beyond me and the way they handled it is like the way the brits handled situations in the north, it is hypocricy and it is wrong.

Armagh, the one true love of a mans life.

red hander

Quote from: stew on August 21, 2009, 06:00:58 PM
Quote from: red hander on August 21, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 21, 2009, 03:04:33 PM
Quote from: nifan on August 21, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
Did libya not take responsibility for the bombing several years ago?

They did and paid each family of the deceased $8m



Yeah, but there are still strong suggestions this was a purely diplomatic move to grease the wheels of Libya's acceptance back into the international fold ... Libya needed western investment to develop its oil fields + the west needed Libya's oil = deal ... Paul Foot did some great investigative stuff into Lockerbie and he was 100% convinced the Libyans were fallguys

So naturally they accepted the blame, paid off the families to the tune of millions of quid and apoligised to the families.  ::)

There are many people who believe that, yes ... including many of the British families of the Lockerbie victims. AFAIK, the main prosecution witness against the two Libyans charged with the attack was later found to have accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from the CIA, presumably to give the - extremely contradictory - evidence that he did give.

Capt Pat

Anyone else find it strange that the trial was carried out by the Scottish government rather than the British/London government. The plane did take off from London and more English people died than Scots. The bomb was put on the plane in Frankfurt. It was a major act of international yet it was Scottish authorities not British Authorities that carried out the trial. Scotland is a country that doesn't exist in terms of international law.

Minder

Quote from: Capt Pat on August 21, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
Anyone else find it strange that the trial was carried out by the Scottish government rather than the British/London government. The plane did take off from London and more English people died than Scots. The bomb was put on the plane in Frankfurt. It was a major act of international yet it was Scottish authorities not British Authorities that carried out the trial. Scotland is a country that doesn't exist in terms of international law.

Not that strange, it happened on Scottish airspace/soil. What country the bomb was put on the plane is irrelevant.
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

CĂșig huaire

Quote from: Capt Pat on August 21, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
Anyone else find it strange that the trial was carried out by the Scottish government rather than the British/London government. The plane did take off from London and more English people died than Scots. The bomb was put on the plane in Frankfurt. It was a major act of international yet it was Scottish authorities not British Authorities that carried out the trial. Scotland is a country that doesn't exist in terms of international law.

If al-Megrahi`s appeal had gone ahead he would more than likely have been cleared, his co-accused was found to be innocent at the original trial and it is widely believed that they were both patsies who were prepared to take a fall for others. The British/Americans cannot allow the truth to come out as it would show them up (yet again) for what they really are. In my opinion they only wanted to bring Libya in from the cold because of the untouched oil reserves, the biggest in Africa, which they want to get their hands on.
Condemnations from American politicians, including the president are merely a distraction from the truth, the Americans need oil and the British cannot be show to have conducted yet another sham trial, even under the guise of Scottish law.
It is said that we can judge a country by the way it treats its prisoners. I think the attitude shown by the American families who lost family members says a lot about that country, all they want is their pound of flesh and in this case a few barrels of oil. The Scottish victims families who were interviewed all wanted to show some compassion to a man who by all accounts has not got long to live.
Donagh, the GAA Board`s Sinn Fein PSNI spokesperson.

Rossfan

Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 21, 2009, 06:09:12 PM
. Americas hypocrisy is breathtaking at times.

Nearly as breath taking as their blood thirstiness.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM