The Many Faces of US Politics...

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whitey

Quote from: J70 on November 14, 2014, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 14, 2014, 06:17:19 AM
To even compare and protray the US healthcare system as better than the Irish or for that matter any other universal healthcare system is laughable.
The US healthcare system is about making profit and so the decisions you are relying on from the system are based on that. Its true that you can get great treatment in America - if you have the money, but half the time its the wrong treatment, just the most expensive one often requested by the patient as they think its the best but what do they actually really know. Also hospitals are built like hotels in America to try and attract customers, important for making a profit but irrelevant to actual healthcare. I could go on but I would be here all day, but my point is for profit healthcare does not do a good job.

BTW Obamacare is a farce also, how can healthcare possibility be the responsibility of an employer? Nuts!

The solution is easy, Nationalisation. It is a proven system when it comes to healthcare. America's refusal to accept this fact is an indication of preference of philosophy (Capitalism) over facts. Very dangerous territory

Employer-provided health insurance has been around for more than 60 years. Started as an employment incentive. It is simply the way most Americans get it. Nothing to do with Obama.

Quality of health benefits would be a serious consideration for many when taking a job. I remember my very first job where I was in an entry level position making crap money I had unbelievable benefits. On the rare occasion when i needed to see a doctor, I was been seen by "Head of Harvard Med School" types. It was truly incredible

heganboy

I think there is only one "head of harvard med school" be tough to have types attached to that role.

For me, whitey, the issue is not where the "in network" coverage offered is available, but rather the coverage that is not covered is awful, and indeed expensive. We have some special medical needs in our family, and 95% of the time those are covered, but if we have an emergency situation and need care locally where my insurance isn't accepted, then it is many thousands of dollars out of pocket.

I also have an issue that 15% of GDP is spent on healthcare which is nearly 40% higher than any other developed country. I happen to think that the Obamacare initiative is a very positive thing for the economy of the US and in particular for the 99%. There are definitely cases where it is not the ideal solution, but it is a significant step forward. Obviously if you work for, or have shares in large healthcare companies, Obamacare is not your idea solution...
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

whitey

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Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 01:52:33 PM
I think there is only one "head of harvard med school" be tough to have types attached to that role.

For me, whitey, the issue is not where the "in network" coverage offered is available, but rather the coverage that is not covered is awful, and indeed expensive. We have some special medical needs in our family, and 95% of the time those are covered, but if we have an emergency situation and need care locally where my insurance isn't accepted, then it is many thousands of dollars out of pocket.

I also have an issue that 15% of GDP is spent on healthcare which is nearly 40% higher than any other developed country. I happen to think that the Obamacare initiative is a very positive thing for the economy of the US and in particular for the 99%. There are definitely cases where it is not the ideal solution, but it is a significant step forward. Obviously if you work for, or have shares in large healthcare companies, Obamacare is not your idea solution...

Hence my use of the word "type"-one guy I met was former head of Harvard Med School-another guy I met became the head several years later. It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.


heganboy

Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

OK, lets say there are 5 (generous) former or current heads of Harvard Medical School practicing medicine. Let's say each has 3,000 patients on their roster ( again very generous) and that none of those overlap (generous even though you have proven that they do overlap) that's 150,000 patients.

There are 316 million (documented) people in the US, so that is one in 2,100 who have that access. Entirely up to you as to whether you would describe that as an accurate generalization.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

whitey

Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 02:56:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

OK, lets say there are 5 (generous) former or current heads of Harvard Medical School practicing medicine. Let's say each has 3,000 patients on their roster ( again very generous) and that none of those overlap (generous even though you have proven that they do overlap) that's 150,000 patients.

There are 316 million (documented) people in the US, so that is one in 2,100 who have that access. Entirely up to you as to whether you would describe that as an accurate generalization.


You obviously have no idea how health insurance works if you're willing to make a statement like that.


heganboy

Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
You obviously have no idea how health insurance works if you're willing to make a statement like that.

again - your opinion and that's entirely up to you, others may disagree.

Thats the thing about opinions, like assholes, everybody has one, but not everyone should be exposing theirs in public.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

seafoid

the Irish health system is far more humane

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11027923/Robin-Williams-obituary.html

(Robin Williams )...became good friends with his fellow student Christopher Reeve, and the two remained close until Reeve's death in 2004, nine years after the riding accident that had left him paralysed from the neck down. Their relationship demonstrated the loyal, decent side of Williams's character. When Reeve's medical insurance ran out, Williams picked up the tab for many of the bills
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whitey

Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 03:06:27 PM
You obviously have no idea how health insurance works if you're willing to make a statement like that.

again - your opinion and that's entirely up to you, others may disagree.

Thats the thing about opinions, like assholes, everybody has one, but not everyone should be exposing theirs in public.

Not an opinion-fact (that you're wrong)

The 30000 people who worked at this ONE company in Boston all had the same insurance.

Remember I'm talking about specialists/consultants that you may see once, not a GP.

heganboy

Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
Not an opinion-fact (that you're wrong)

The 30000 people who worked at this ONE company in Boston all had the same insurance.

Remember I'm talking about specialists/consultants that you may see once, not a GP.

QuoteIt was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

so your amended version of your statement is now:
QuoteIt was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee  in my 30000 person company in Boston with good insurance would receive.

Which is, I hope you are aware, statistically a very, very different statement. Carry on with explaining how I'm wrong, I'm not sure I get that from your notes above but it is very possible...
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

whitey

Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
Not an opinion-fact (that you're wrong)

The 30000 people who worked at this ONE company in Boston all had the same insurance.

Remember I'm talking about specialists/consultants that you may see once, not a GP.

QuoteIt was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

so your amended version of your statement is now:
QuoteIt was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee  in my 30000 person company in Boston with good insurance would receive.

Which is, I hope you are aware, statistically a very, very different statement. Carry on with explaining how I'm wrong, I'm not sure I get that from your notes above but it is very possible...

Thats fair...I thought we were just discussing and exchanging ideas on a general level...hence me painting in broad strokes....I didn't realize I was testifying under oath

heganboy

Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
Thats fair...I thought we were just discussing and exchanging ideas on a general level...hence me painting in broad strokes....I didn't realize I was testifying under oath

Quote from: whitey on November 12, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.

good job you didn't pull that on a client just on a discussion board.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

whitey

Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
Thats fair...I thought we were just discussing and exchanging ideas on a general level...hence me painting in broad strokes....I didn't realize I was testifying under oath

Quote from: whitey on November 12, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.

good job you didn't pull that on a client just on a discussion board.


You're right, chit chatting with low information posters about politics on a public board wouldn't fall into that category of offense

dec

Is whitey Tyrones own? Because the debating style is very similar.

J70

Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 05:15:07 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: whitey on November 14, 2014, 04:53:05 PM
Thats fair...I thought we were just discussing and exchanging ideas on a general level...hence me painting in broad strokes....I didn't realize I was testifying under oath

Quote from: whitey on November 12, 2014, 12:19:21 PM
I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.

good job you didn't pull that on a client just on a discussion board.


You're right, chit chatting with low information posters about politics on a public board wouldn't fall into that category of offense

What's with this "low information" poster shite?

Its the sort of thing you see on US newspaper websites comment sections or other places where hyper-partisan people gather to hurl abuse or look for intellectual reinforcement from like-minded people.

If you disagree with a point, then make your case. This is not FreeRepublic, The Daily Caller or Daily Kos.

J70

Quote from: dec on November 14, 2014, 05:49:00 PM
Is whitey Tyrones own? Because the debating style is very similar.

Lacking smiley icons though!