The Many Faces of US Politics...

[muppet]

Wised up = tone down the rhetoric.  It doesn't mean a change in policy. Their victory in IL says more about the corruption and ineptitude of the Democratic party and that candidate there than it does about the GOP.

As for Obamacare,  the constituent parts are popular,  so popular in fact that the GOP didn't campaign on it anywhere near as much as two years ago. Sure, Fox News and Limbaugh and his clones rail against it constantly,  scaring the f**k out of the old white b**tards who constitute their main, dependable base, but the component parts are popular.  It was a Republican idea from 20 years ago FFS.

Jaysus you have all the MSNBC talking points down to a tee.

Wait until next years premiums are published in the nex month or so and well soon see how popular it is

I can't stand cable news, but go ahead if you think that strengthens your point.

But anyway, you don't think coverage of kids till 26, prohibition of previously existing conditions denial etc are popular?  Are you disputing that the mandate was a Republican idea prior to Obama co-opting it and the GOP opposing it for purely political reasons?

Theres some good elements of the plan but the implementation has been a disaster. I live in Massachusetts, and we had already Romney care, which was passed by a Republican Governor.  The disastrous rollout of the ACA exchange has since cost the taxpayers, of which I am one, a cool $1B.

I have included a link that addresses your assertion that this was originally a Republican idea:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

Wow! $1 billion!!!!

If I were you I wouldn't check the US national debt or indeed the cost of bailing out Wall Street.

So don't look at this:

[J70]

Wised up = tone down the rhetoric.  It doesn't mean a change in policy. Their victory in IL says more about the corruption and ineptitude of the Democratic party and that candidate there than it does about the GOP.

As for Obamacare,  the constituent parts are popular,  so popular in fact that the GOP didn't campaign on it anywhere near as much as two years ago. Sure, Fox News and Limbaugh and his clones rail against it constantly,  scaring the f**k out of the old white b**tards who constitute their main, dependable base, but the component parts are popular.  It was a Republican idea from 20 years ago FFS.

Jaysus you have all the MSNBC talking points down to a tee.

Wait until next years premiums are published in the nex month or so and well soon see how popular it is

I can't stand cable news, but go ahead if you think that strengthens your point.

But anyway, you don't think coverage of kids till 26, prohibition of previously existing conditions denial etc are popular?  Are you disputing that the mandate was a Republican idea prior to Obama co-opting it and the GOP opposing it for purely political reasons?

Theres some good elements of the plan but the implementation has been a disaster. I live in Massachusetts, and we had already Romney care, which was passed by a Republican Governor.  The disastrous rollout of the ACA exchange has since cost the taxpayers, of which I am one, a cool $1B.

I have included a link that addresses your assertion that this was originally a Republican idea:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2013/nov/15/ellen-qualls/aca-gop-health-care-plan-1993/

Ok, split hairs if you want... the mandate was still supported by SOME republicans, including the likes of Gingrich and Romney more recently.

The point is it is hardly the epitome of Soviet - style totalitarianism that the GOP hype would have one believe.

And yeah, the roll-out was appalling,  but that is a separate issue.

BTW, why do conservatives always need to proclaim themselves as tax-payers?

Big swing. We all pay taxes. Those taxes are used to pay for stuff some of us are bound to dislike.

Split hairs???   LOL...keep digging.

"Policy differences aside, health care scholar and former Clinton adviser Paul Starr at Princeton University said the Affordable Care Act is distinct in one other important way.

"The Chafee plan did not spell out how increased coverage would be financed," Starr said. "It was more of a symbolic bill than an actual piece of legislation."

What part of "it was a Republican idea" do you not understand?

How a mandate would be financed is a completely separate matter. And one that another republican, Romney,  tried to address.

I could propose, purely on health grounds, updating all the obsolete OSHA regs on chemical exposures today. Just because i don't address the details on how to pay for it doesn't make it any less my idea.

[deiseach]

Some people seem to think that both sides are equally bad. Well, if you can find any example of barefaced lies and cheek on the American 'left' as bad as this offering from conservative website Breitbart.com (no need to read the whole article, the headline and correction at the bottom will do) . . .



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[whitey]

Some people seem to think that both sides are equally bad. Well, if you can find any example of barefaced lies and cheek on the American 'left' as bad as this offering from conservative website Breitbart.com (no need to read the whole article, the hedline and correction at the bottom will do) . . .



[source]

Anyone who takes their information from only one side in my opinion would be a "low information" voter. Satellite radio is great...listen to all sides, then make up your own mind as to who is telling the truth

[J70]

Some people seem to think that both sides are equally bad. Well, if you can find any example of barefaced lies and cheek on the American 'left' as bad as this offering from conservative website Breitbart.com (no need to read the whole article, the headline and correction at the bottom will do) . . .



[source]

Are you f**king serious!!! 

They leave the article and all its bullshit and implications up, but put a tiny disclaimer at the bottom saying that "this is in fact a different loretta lynch"!!

The unfunny part is that they probably can get away with this, legally, and their smear will work as the average reader probably will not even see the "correction".

[whitey]

Some people seem to think that both sides are equally bad. Well, if you can find any example of barefaced lies and cheek on the American 'left' as bad as this offering from conservative website Breitbart.com (no need to read the whole article, the headline and correction at the bottom will do) . . .



[source]

Are you f**king serious!!! 

They leave the article and all its bullshit and implications up, but put a tiny disclaimer at the bottom saying that "this is in fact a different loretta lynch"!!

The unfunny part is that they probably can get away with this, legally, and their smear will work as the average reader probably will not even see the "correction".

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

[deiseach]

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

Bollocks, and your they're-both-equally-as-bad bullshit isn't fooling anyone.

[muppet]

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

Bollocks, and your they're-both-equally-as-bad bullshit isn't fooling anyone.

Yes you Nazi-loving pedo Whitey!








Correction: May in fact be someone else.

[J70]

Some people seem to think that both sides are equally bad. Well, if you can find any example of barefaced lies and cheek on the American 'left' as bad as this offering from conservative website Breitbart.com (no need to read the whole article, the headline and correction at the bottom will do) . . .



[source]

Are you f**king serious!!! 

They leave the article and all its bullshit and implications up, but put a tiny disclaimer at the bottom saying that "this is in fact a different loretta lynch"!!

The unfunny part is that they probably can get away with this, legally, and their smear will work as the average reader probably will not even see the "correction".

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

Sorry, but that is bullshit. That story above is naked, bald-faced lying.

And Reverend Wright was covered to death for anyone who paid attention (as well as being broke by the so-called mainstream media), as was the Weathermen stuff. Even here, on gaaboard, I suspect if you look back on this thread you will find plenty of discussion led by Tyrone's Own, who was a prominent poster on US politics at the time (whatever happened to him?). People just didn't give a shit about the Reverend Wright stuff. I am one of those people. In the context that he was saying "god damn America" instead of "god bless America" (foreign policy, slavery, treatment of Native Americans, minorities), I don't find a whole lot wrong with what he said. Especially as a black man of his age.

Perhaps your real problem is that plenty of people heard about Wright, but just didn't interpret it in the "America, right or wrong" light that you did?

Its like Benghazi. How many investigations and how much Fox News and talk radio hype will it take before the right wing accepts that while things got very fucked up, nothing nefarious took place on the part of the administration?

[seafoid]

"Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have"


2 echo chambers
But the GOP one is further from reality
And it's lovely when reality comes flying in through the window
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

[whitey]

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

Bollocks, and your they're-both-equally-as-bad bullshit isn't fooling anyone.

Yes you Nazi-loving pedo Whitey!


How do you know when your losing an argument.....you start insulting people


BTW....what delights me more than anything is that the Democrats have been
pulling this shit for decades.....now that the Republicans are beating them at their own game they are apoplectic with righteous indignation.  Long may it continue





Correction: May in fact be someone else.

[Mike Sheehy]

No different to the MSM whitewashing the Rev Wright story in order to get Obama elected.  Media both left and right is extremely biased and long ago gave up reporting news. They view their role as creating he narrative and framing the paradigm for whatever agenda they have

Bollocks, and your they're-both-equally-as-bad bullshit isn't fooling anyone.

Yes you Nazi-loving pedo Whitey!


How do you know when your losing an argument.....you start insulting people


BTW....what delights me more than anything is that the Democrats have been
pulling this shit for decades.....now that the Republicans are beating them at their own game they are apoplectic with righteous indignation.  Long may it continue





Muppet still has is head stuck up Seafoids arse I see.

[heganboy]

BTW....what delights me more than anything is that the Democrats have been
pulling this shit for decades.....now that the Republicans are beating them at their own game they are apoplectic with righteous indignation.  Long may it continue

Let me stop you right there.

This is very little to do with Democrats and Republicans, nor indeed is it much to do with Politics.

The issue at stake is the very richest people in not just the United States wield a huge amount of power and they will do whatever they can to preserve it.

One of the places that we see that in practice (if we care to look) is the ever escalating influence of money in the election process.  Given the positions taken on the key issues by certain parties at the time the time the money was being brought into the process the Republican's have been the party funded by those big business interests, oil, gas, tobacco, big retailers, telecoms etc. The issue of wealth preservation and power conservatism is one that has shaped the political landscape since as long as there has been a political landscape.

This power is also the driving force behind the US tax code and its implementation, which is truly unbelievable.

Also the tax arrangements between countries have been swayed by the needs wants of the planet's richest. Preservation of wealth and conservation of power across the globe, all with the explicit compliance of the world's politicians...

Holy crap I almost sound like a socialist.

[Mike Sheehy]

BTW....what delights me more than anything is that the Democrats have been
pulling this shit for decades.....now that the Republicans are beating them at their own game they are apoplectic with righteous indignation.  Long may it continue

One of the places that we see that in practice (if we care to look) is the ever escalating influence of money in the election process.  Given the positions taken on the key issues by certain parties at the time the time the money was being brought into the process the Republican's have been the party funded by those big business interests, oil, gas, tobacco, big retailers, telecoms etc. The issue of wealth preservation and power conservatism is one that has shaped the political landscape since as long as there has been a political landscape.

How big does a business have to be before it is considered "big" business ?

[seafoid]

How are the GOP going to attract more female and latino voters in 2016 ? Mid terms will mean nothing if they lose 3 in a row.