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Title: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on February 23, 2022, 10:18:43 AM
Election nerds ASSEMBLY ASSEMBLE!!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on February 23, 2022, 11:20:03 AM
Its PR so use yer preferences wisely.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on February 23, 2022, 11:51:37 AM
The DUP nightmare election aka the Taigs take over.

When you consider the old Norn Iron Parliament in Stormont that always had a UUP majority and never had a nationalist representation in decision making , May will be significant.

"In its 50-year history, only one piece of legislation was passed that was introduced by a Nationalist member, the Wild Birds Protection Act.[which?][4] In October 1971, as the Troubles worsened, Gerard Newe had been appointed as a junior minister at Stormont, in an attempt to improve community relations. Fifty years after it came into existence, Newe was the first Catholic to serve in a Northern Ireland government, but because he was neither an MP nor a Senator, his appointment could last only six months."

The chart under "General Elections" shows how things were pre 1972

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Northern_Ireland
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on March 28, 2022, 01:58:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on March 28, 2022, 02:16:01 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Jamie Bryson says its fake news and skewed towards nationalists, despite Lucidtalks excellent track record at predicting election results here.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2022, 03:26:15 PM
I believe it when I see it, Dup got more lives than a cat.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 28, 2022, 03:39:27 PM
Register to Vote https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Have you any friends or family that have recently moved house?  - Make sure they are registered to vote

Have you any friends or family that are living in student accomodation - Make sure they are registered to vote

Then on the day, vote early and transfer your vote.  A great slogan doing the rounds on social media the last time was 'Vote til you boke'.  So obviously keep going down the list until you hit DUP/TUV/Conservatives.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on March 28, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
I believe it when I see it, Dup got more lives than a cat.
Long may it continue!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“


Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on March 28, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.   
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Jamie Bryson says its fake news and skewed towards nationalists, despite Lucidtalks excellent track record at predicting election results here.
What matters are how those poll numbers translate into seats won,  what are the seat predictions?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 28, 2022, 09:42:52 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 28, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 08:15:47 AM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.

Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..

The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 29, 2022, 08:18:57 AM
19% for the DUP is a long way from where they want to be. Brexit really was suicidal.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 29, 2022, 08:57:21 AM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.

Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..

The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..

Is there a nationalist seat in Strangford JC?

Outwith the Ballycran, Ballygalget and Portaferry areas, is there any other nationalist area around Newtownards etc.?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 09:42:27 AM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.

Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..

The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..

Is there a nationalist seat in Strangford JC?

Outwith the Ballycran, Ballygalget and Portaferry areas, is there any other nationalist area around Newtownards etc.?

Not really, a handful in Newtownards would be it, hence why local Camog, Kellie Armstrong (Nee McGrattan) gets over the line with moderate unionist votes for Alliance but former Dall man Joe Boyle was just pipped to the post last time out for the SDLP and I'd say the local man aspect was a big thing for him to get that many. Not sure how the new candidate will do, I don't know him and I'm not sure the SDLP brand would be strong enough just to put anyone with their rosette in and get the same vote, but time will tell.
Shinners put up a young lad from Ards who used to hurl with us up for the GE, he may have picked up the young vote from the lads who's know him from hurling with and against him but they've no real traction with the older generations down here.

My money would be on two Alliance getting in rather than Alliance and SDLP one each, DUP to hold two but lose the other one, Hamilton was a big winner for the DUP and he's gone but Nesbitt should get in again for the UUP.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 09:43:55 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rois on March 29, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Probably a good few 'nationalists' going to the Alliance party I'd say especially in areas east of the Bann.

Plenty of nationalists in Strangford will vote Alliance as the most viable option of ousting a DUPer..

The SDLP came close last time with Joe Boyle, a local candidate, not sure how this new lad will fare with the usual SDLP voters..
He’s in everything but the crib. Professional committee member. But a North Down kinda guy. Sylvia Hermon for nationalists.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on March 29, 2022, 10:37:54 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)

Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 10:46:48 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)

Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?

Well you will be waiting along time for a United Ireland if your just relying on SF with 26%. The sooner nationalists stop knocking each other and work together a bit more the better. Unionists tear shreds out of each other but look how they get cosy with each other come election time.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: NAG1 on March 29, 2022, 10:55:23 AM
I dont think this election is going to matter in the short/ medium term. The DUP have backed themselves into such a corner that making up an executive with a SF FM is really a red line for them.

So SF may return as the largest party but chances are there wont be an executive so we will be back where we started. That's unless Alliance can make big gains, but my reading of that is to form an executive they would have to nominate themselves as Unionists to make the joint rule work?!

It is going to be a mess all summer unfortunately and with the LCC stirring up all sorts of tensions could make for an intense marching season.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 29, 2022, 11:05:15 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)

Kellie talks shíte a lot of the time, but that's a family trait  ;) and doesn't take kindly to my jibs about it'll be great to see all those kids in integrated education playing a bit of hurling during PE lessons as evidently that's an after school activity in an integrated school but not timetabled...

The Assumption Grammar has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
SDLP have missed an open goal here several times. Nationalists should rally behind SDLP and not get behind Alliance as you will get a muppet like Kellie Armstrong who I will never forget on TV saying that the Republic had a long way to catch up with UK regarding diversity, that when Leo was Taoiseach. Not sure who was the last gay person of ethnic minority background PM of the UK ::)

Why would anyone vote for the SDLP?

Well you will be waiting along time for a United Ireland if your just relying on SF with 26%. The sooner nationalists stop knocking each other and work together a bit more the better. Unionists tear shreds out of each other but look how they get cosy with each other come election time.

In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:

"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."


And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:

"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 11:15:27 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 11:26:24 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk

Alliance may get one of those nationalist seats in South Down
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:35:48 AM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I’d say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 11:50:17 AM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 12:03:29 PM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I’d say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.

What Shinner will get ousted then if he gets in
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
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Empty vessels make the most noise, he's not really caring what comes out of his trap as long as it makes the news and keeps his fat paycheck coming in
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: oakleaflad on March 29, 2022, 12:09:59 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Us vs Them suits Nolan
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 12:14:30 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?
Us vs Them suits Nolan

Because most of those who complain about Nolan, continue to listen to him on a daily basis in huge numbers, instead of doing the responsible thing and boycotting him and his toxic sewer of a show.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on March 29, 2022, 12:15:57 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on March 29, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
The problem is enough listen for it to influence people - and the wrong kind of people at that. I wouldn't go anywhere near it but it's clear it is not having a positive influence on society in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on March 29, 2022, 12:50:11 PM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Alliance are targeting South Down, but if a few drift to SDLP from SF the SDLP may hold their seat. The Unionist side is interesting, with the former UU candidate up for the TUV and a new DUP face who might appeal to some more than Wells.
You can't beat a PR election.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 29, 2022, 01:05:01 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life

Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
South Down might see a drop in the vote for the shinners due to Emma Rogan non-attendance and Sinead Ennis social media crap. But Cathy Mason is a sound girl and I expect 2 sf, 2 stoops and one unionist to get the seats. It will be interesting to see who will get the unionist vote as Harold McKee is now TUV and would be well known and respected in the Kilkeel area. Will the offical unionists follow him?

Newry and Armagh should be interesting with independent Gavin Malone throwing his hat into the ring. He seems to be well got in the area and it could put an sf seat in that area at risk
Malone be a near cert I’d say. Seems a decent enough skin but probably better suited to local issues.

What Shinner will get ousted then if he gets in
Hard to say. You’d think Boylann and Murphy are certs but Liz Kimmins would be fairly well got  around Newry as well.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 01:42:34 PM
Hoax bomb targeted at Simon Coveney sanctioned by UVF. Brick put through Doug Beatties office window. Loyalist intimidation of nationalist candidates putting up posters and other posters being burnt. The loyalist election strategy propping up the DUP is in full swing.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 29, 2022, 01:43:40 PM
In South Down there is a lot of talk about the SDLP seat being at risk from Paddy Brown Alliance, but at the last Westminster election a low profile SDLP candidate almost caught Chris Hazzard SF.  This is natural SDLP territory and SF have a very poor and unlikeable candidate in Sinead Ennis who I think could be more at risk of losing out.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on March 29, 2022, 01:59:17 PM
I think McGrath has done enough in the area since the last election to warrant a seat, Paddy Brown is a good worker as well. Mason is also a good worker but people are not happy with how SF handled the Rogan not attendance.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:17:31 PM
I’m in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 29, 2022, 02:34:34 PM
I’m in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers.  Maybe a long shot but not impossible
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 29, 2022, 02:54:09 PM
I’m in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers.  Maybe a long shot but not impossible

Thought that might be the case. He’ll need to pick up a lot of the Newry vote to stay in the race as I can’t see him picking up too many votes in the Armagh/Keady areas.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: tbrick18 on March 29, 2022, 03:04:29 PM
LucidTalk poll for Belfast Telegraph at the weekend:

SF 26% (+1 from Jan)

DUP 19% (+2)

Alliance 16% (+2)

UUP 13% (-1)

SDLP 11% (-)
 
TUV 9% (-3)

Have the Nationalist parties peaked? 37% is hardly an endorsement for a border poll. Obviously it's only an opinion poll but I thought the two of them combined has circa 43% at one stage?

Not sure we could equate this to what the results of a border poll would be.
There are Nationalists now who will be voting Alliance. There will be unionists who would vote for a UI as a means to return to the EU. The non-hardline-unionist.
Brexit has probably been the single biggest driving factor in making people who would never have entertained it, now consider a UI as a viable option.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 29, 2022, 03:06:56 PM
I’m in Newry & Armagh and have never heard of Gavin Malone. Where is he based? I still go for 3 shinners, one stoop and one DUP, if Willie Irwin is running.
He's a very popular Independent Councillor from Newry. He's Newrier than a Friar Tucks boorger and a Timoneys ice cream.
I'd say he will get a lot of votes round Newry and if he can stay ahead of the low profile Liz Kimmins SF he could benefit from Alliance party transfers.  Maybe a long shot but not impossible

Thought that might be the case. He’ll need to pick up a lot of the Newry vote to stay in the race as I can’t see him picking up too many votes in the Armagh/Keady areas.

I think the presence of Malone is a threat to the 3rd SF seat in more ways than one.  If he doesn't make it, his transfers could help Jackie Coade Alliance slip through.  Again a long shot but not impossible and you would have to imagine that Liz Kimmins SF would be the one in danger of losing out.  However if I was going to the bookies I would say 3 SF, 1 SDLP, 1 DUP.  ( No change)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on March 29, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.

Cant stand her
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on March 29, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life

Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV

That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on March 29, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.

Cant stand her

Huge if true
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Shamrock Shore on March 29, 2022, 07:04:39 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life

Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV

That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...

Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 29, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.
It's worse.
The Assembly has around 100 MLAs with 1/3 of the population of the South and 1/40th of the UK.
For quality control if should only have about 50 MLAs.
The DUP infantry are awful.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on March 29, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
It is a bit of a carve up of money. Nowhere near as many needed.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: angermanagement on March 29, 2022, 09:09:56 PM
I think McGrath has done enough in the area since the last election to warrant a seat, Paddy Brown is a good worker as well. Mason is also a good worker but people are not happy with how SF handled the Rogan not attendance.

What’s the story with Rogan?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on March 29, 2022, 09:13:47 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life

Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV

That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...

Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!

Bump
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 09:23:15 PM
Is Bryson running?

Why does Nolan give him so much oxygen?

Rumour is Jamie knows something about Nolan’s private life

Sure didn't even Gregory Campbell semi threaten Nolan with the big reveal of the world's worst kept secret on live TV

That particular 'secret' is not the one Nolan is worried about being revealed...

Do tell...........or allude. I don't think he posts here!

Are there photos involved?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 29, 2022, 09:36:58 PM
The DUP surely can't win first place so they would then have to concede the position of First Minister.
This would presumably be followed by months of political theatre.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on March 29, 2022, 11:20:04 PM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are. 

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 30, 2022, 12:37:36 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.

Yeah, that's my take on it this past 6 months or so.  The DUP haven't committed to it and I don't think, afaik, that Beattie hasn't said he'd go in a dfm to a nationalist.

That's unionism at its core value - not wanting or recognising nationalists as equals. Everything else is a sideshow.

That's what, whern everything is stripped back, is what it's all about.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:54:50 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 08:59:10 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on March 30, 2022, 08:59:42 AM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.

Cant stand her

Huge if true

BREAKING: Fear does not like Mary-Lou.

More on this developing story as we get it...
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 30, 2022, 10:02:43 AM
Watching some footage on the news about the day Stormont was prorogued.A crowd of 100,000 marched on Stormont and in Belfast City centre. 2 guys were interviewed ‘they’re just giving into the IRA, them’uns get everything’. ‘We’ve been sold out. Sold down the river’.

 50 years on the rhetoric is the same, but the marchers now number less than 1,000
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 10:22:47 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
A SF FM in 2022 would be highly significant considering there was only ever 1 Nationalist minister in the old Stormont.
The Unionists were the big losers in the following years.
A hurl should be added to the Carson statue.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 30, 2022, 10:46:29 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
A SF FM in 2022 would be highly significant considering there was only ever 1 Nationalist minister in the old Stormont.
The Unionists were the big losers in the following years.
A hurl should be added to the Carson statue.

Was up that way on Saturday after taking the kids to the Mo Mowlan play park and former Trinity hurler Carson would look well with a sliotar and hurl in those outstretched hands..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Dougal Maguire on March 30, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
Such an image exists. O’Neills issued a lovely jersey featuring Carson holding a Hurley the time the Poc Fada was at stormont
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 30, 2022, 04:05:47 PM
Such an image exists. O’Neills issued a lovely jersey featuring Carson holding a Hurley the time the Poc Fada was at stormont
Poor old Carson's Protestant State for a Protestant people didn't last as long as he thought it would
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on March 30, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
Susan McKay kicks the DUP up and down the road in this Guardian piece: https://t.co/h8v6FFn4mQ
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on March 31, 2022, 01:36:37 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Orior on March 31, 2022, 06:54:31 AM
The state of NI politics with the DUP and Shinners dominant is interesting and reminds me of an Adlai Stevenson quote.
During the session in the Assembly to remember Christopher Stalford  the more erudite speeches came from the SDLP, Alliance and UUP benches.
Some of the Shinner and DUP MLAs were atrocious.

https://quotepark.com/authors/adlai-stevenson/?msclkid=2bffcc4baec711ec8f40b9148e2a3d31
The supposed response to a woman who called out to him: "Governor, you have the vote of every thinking person!" during one of his presidential campaigns. T
„That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!“

The standard of politician across the board in the 6 counties is definitely not great. Very few of them could hold their own in a serious debate hence the reason why the same politicians are wheeled out time and time again. On the other hand when it comes to social media presence there are plenty of charlatans about.

It's about as good as the standard in Westminster or in the south.
Very poor political leadership in this part of the world currently.
But in saying all that, I think Mary-Lou is a credible politician.

Cant stand her

Huge if true

LOLZ
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 08:27:42 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.

I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date. 

I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: NAG1 on March 31, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.

I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date. 

I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.

You would actively think they are trying to play into SF hands at this stage.

What perfect ammo for them in the run up to an election, the British Government still breaking promises to the people of the north.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on March 31, 2022, 09:21:26 AM
I have long thought this DUP stunt in bringing down the Assembly was more out of fear that SF are on course to be the largest party and claim the FM post. The protocol is a convenient smokescreen which gives them cover to not appear to be the bigoted undemocratic dinosaurs they are.
A feeling of superiority over the Taigs is the only thing a lot of DUP voters have. Plus the party is happy to scare the shit out out of them regularly.
If the Shinners get First Minister the psychological losses are significant.
The Protocol has been whipped into a frenzy even though the Brits have given up on it.

With that ballbag Lewis's announcement re: the irish language act, the protocol will be second fiddle to the DUP not wanting to form an executive.

The Torys certainly don't want a SF First Minister so legislating for the Irish Language Act or whatever the overarching legislation would have been seen as a win for SF so it was never going to happen in the mouth of this election.

Tory's gonna Tory.
You have to admit though that the Tory government has already introduced progressive constitutional changes in NI, ignoring the squeals emanating from unionists/creationists. It's not wise to introduce divisive legislation before an election such as the language act, even though opposition to it is baseless and purely sectarian.

I think the issue is that he promised it back in October '21, well before the election date. 

I'd say Lewis will not be back in post after the election.

You would actively think they are trying to play into SF hands at this stage.

What perfect ammo for them in the run up to an election, the British Government still breaking promises to the people of the north.

The ILA was lose lose for the DUP even though they agreed it and Ian O'g trying to spin it that the Shinners had an issue with the word "British" for the Ulster Scots/British Culture Commissioner is the reason for the hold up.

Lewis pushes it through WM, it's deemed to be to the Shinners favour as they "delivered" it even though they have always kinda had it on the back burner for long enough and by not legislating for it before this Assembly election it'll invigorate the nationalist vote to come out and bloody the nose of unionism by having a SF first minister.

If the DUP are the so called experts of strategy then they're hiding it well or we're in for a huge surprise in May..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 31, 2022, 09:52:42 AM
The DUP are paying for Brexit. The Protocol cannot make up the difference.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 12:25:43 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.

Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper.  If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.


Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 12:41:36 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.

Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper.  If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 12:47:01 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.

Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper.  If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Yeah have heard plenty of examples of that myself, try and put as many numbers down as possible (obviously none to DUP/UUP/TUV)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on March 31, 2022, 12:58:48 PM
I gave 10th or 11th preference to Buchanan the DUP candidate in mid ulster who wasn't Mccrea. I thought the DUP will have 1 seat no matter what, might as well not be mccrea.
Buchanan beat McCrea by a handle of votes and hasn't been seen since.

It pays to go right down the ballot folks.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 31, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
Susan McKay kicks the DUP up and down the road in this Guardian piece: https://t.co/h8v6FFn4mQ
Good article

Reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY2FgX6dhCc&t=7s
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: dec on March 31, 2022, 01:35:52 PM
Upper Bann could be interesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Eoin Tennyson takes a seat at the expense of Diane Dodds.

Upper Bann is a classic case of why everyone should vote down the ballot paper.  If you are a SF or SDLP voter you must give a lower preference vote to Alliance, because there is a good chance that the Alliance candidate could knock out the execrable Diane Dodds of the DUP.
Even if you are not a fan of Alliance, your transfer will only go to them after your preferred candidate is either elected or eliminated.

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that you should go all the way down the paper and give a preference to the candiates you like/agree with and then stop at the people who you're not giving a preference to.
Yeah have heard plenty of examples of that myself, try and put as many numbers down as possible (obviously none to DUP/UUP/TUV)

I always went all the way down, including expressing a preference between themmuns. I once took great pleasure in giving Paisley the last preference in a European election. If you go all the way down, including DUP/TUV, that will never hurt one of your more preferred candidates, because the candidates at the bottom of your list will not get your vote until all your more preferred candidates have either been elected or eliminated.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:08:23 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 02:17:16 PM
I gave 10th or 11th preference to Buchanan the DUP candidate in mid ulster who wasn't Mccrea. I thought the DUP will have 1 seat no matter what, might as well not be mccrea.
Buchanan beat McCrea by a handle of votes and hasn't been seen since.

It pays to go right down the ballot folks.

Yeah, I think the premise of it is you are pushing the people who don't give a preference to further and further away.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: tintin25 on March 31, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 02:28:22 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

Big turn out that at over 70%.

You'd think that Elliot will get enough to get over the line - with two candidates there, I'm sure it'll be a dogfight over areas etc. especially when they both realise there"ll be more than likely only one seat.

Be interesting to see how the TUV do overall - will they get anybody else than wee Jim elected? He still seems to be big buddies with the DUP. I thought a few months ago that he'd be full on blaming them for the Brexit/Protocol mess but he hasn't - still cosying up to them.

Hard to know how Alliance will do, especially west of the Bann and also, if the UUP will take some of their votes not Beattie has distanced himself from the rabble rousing platforms.

I didn't know that Emma De S. is standing as an independent in tbat area. Can't see her getting much traction without being in a party. She'd be high profile enough.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 31, 2022, 02:57:43 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)

you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo???  ::)

neverneverland incoming again on may 5th
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 03:12:53 PM
If you give someone a very low preference they could still get your vote on a transfer.
Leave those you don't like blank and they can never get it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on March 31, 2022, 03:25:28 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)

you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo???  ::)

neverneverland incoming again on may 5th

They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on March 31, 2022, 03:42:43 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

Good constituency Profile Pub Bore.  But I don't think Alliance can win here.  There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: sensethetone on March 31, 2022, 04:11:49 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

Good constituency Profile Pub Bore.  But I don't think Alliance can win here.  There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP

Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 04:20:08 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)

you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo???  ::)

neverneverland incoming again on may 5th

They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do
Certainly would. I wonder would they end up like Labour on Brexit and fall to shite with no clear policy one way or the other.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Pub Bore on March 31, 2022, 04:56:45 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

Good constituency Profile Pub Bore.  But I don't think Alliance can win here.  There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP

Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.

Yes, more than 33% of the SDLP transfers that day went to Rosemary Barton (UUP).  This actually led to Maurice Morrow of the DUP failing to get elected.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on March 31, 2022, 05:06:04 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

Good constituency Profile Pub Bore.  But I don't think Alliance can win here.  There should be 1 DUP, 1 UUP, 2 SF and the final seat will be between the 3rd SF candidate and the SDLP

Not certain but i think the UUP got in the last time due to the vote for Colm get Mike campain.

Yes, more than 33% of the SDLP transfers that day went to Rosemary Barton (UUP).  This actually led to Maurice Morrow of the DUP failing to get elected.

Not a problem for that bigot. They just gave him a wee ermine cloak so he could join Lady Ritchie at the British Establishment's top trough.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:29:14 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)

you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo???  ::)

neverneverland incoming again on may 5th

They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do

Yeah, Alliance will have to go one way or the other.

I think Long was quizzed on this a few times re: would they be in favour of a border but didn't commit.  Or maybe their designation?

They'll have to do it sometime soon - can't keep going on. Only get so far like that.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 06:35:54 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 06:49:56 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?

Cop out.

They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.

Need to let voters know where they stand.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fionntamhnach on March 31, 2022, 08:54:22 PM
Wes' Tyrone

Result in 2017 Assembly election: 3 Sinn Fein, 1 SDLP & 1 DUP

Back then, Sinn Fein managed to scoop up three seats with a 48.1% share of 1st preference votes - however in the last UK General Election in the West Tyrone constituency, Orlaith Begley was re-elected on a 40.1% share in an election that saw Sinn Fein receive significant vote percentage losses in most of the north (at least in their main heartlands). If SF can't get their 1st preference votes up to near the same levels as in 2017, then their third seat is in jeopardy.

Tom Buchanan is the sole DUP representative in the constituency and should have no problems getting re-elected back to Stormont. The SDLP's Declan McCrossan is also looking for re-election here (again his party's only candidate) and it would be a significant shock were he not to be, having built up a steady vote share tally over the years in Assembly & UK General Elections though he might have plateaued by this point at around 17-18%.

So very likely at least 2 SF, 1 DUP & 1 SDLP. The 5th seat is likely to be a battle between a third SF seat, Alliance with the UUP as outsiders. For Alliance, Omagh-based councillor Stephen Donnelly is the party's sole candidate whom has managed to steadily grow his vote share over the years - back in the 2016 Assembly election he secured under 1.3% of 1st preference votes, going up to 2.82% in the 2017 poll, and in the 2019 General Election he managed to secure a major jump up to 9.7% of the vote. If Donnelly can at least poll that share of 1st preferences in this upcoming election then he stands a pretty decent chance of taking that final seat at the expense of the last Sinn Fein candidate but he'll need a good amount of transfers to do so - also, if SF & AP are neck and neck in the respective counts there's a small chance that the UUP's Ian Marshall (former Irish Senator) just might be able to sneak up from behind them, though unlike Fermanagh the UUP isn't that strong in West Tyrone, and it would take all the stars to align correctly for him to take it IMO. I suspect that for many local unionist voters, Stephen Donnelly taking the final seat instead of a third SF candidate will be at least slightly more palatable for them and transfer accordingly, and I think if it comes to the crunch if SF don't get at least 45% of 1st preference votes or Donnelly has a below-expected showing, then Alliance will likely gain their first MLA in West Tyrone.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 08:59:02 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?

Cop out.

They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.

Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on March 31, 2022, 09:02:02 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?

Cop out.

They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.

Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
There probably won't be a border poll until a large enough majority of 26 county voters are in favour and the thing has been properly planned and costed.
Brexit shows how not to do it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 10:00:47 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?

Cop out.

They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.

Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.

Do they not? Not get a lot of tranfers in next few elections unless they commit to say where they stand. Quite simple really.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on March 31, 2022, 10:07:11 PM
Presumably they will wait till SofS calls such a poll?
Then let their members vote as they see fit?
Then accept the result?

Cop out.

They were against Brexit and voted accordingly.

Need to let voters know where they stand.
They don't really as there is no proposal for a "Border poll" and only the SofS can call it.
There probably won't be a border poll until a large enough majority of 26 county voters are in favour and the thing has been properly planned and costed.
Brexit shows how not to do it.

Definately no chance if MM and LV keep spouting their usual waffle about...it' was divisive 2 years ago, it was divisive 6 months ago and it'll be divisive in 12 months time.

Planned properly and costed....the Children's Hospital anybody?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 09:20:08 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner  ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 01, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner  ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.

Why would they come out either way?

They'll stick with the fence sitting stuff for as long as possible.

SDLP wanted a border poll after Brexit, are they still wanting one?

Shinners want one every week FFS..

Timing is key and as someone else rightly pointed out Brexit was a blueprint for what not to do albeit those pushing the Brexit poll knew only too well to keep the truth well out of the way and go with lies and nationalistic slogans based on lies.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: screenexile on April 01, 2022, 09:32:48 AM
SF want to get rid of South Belfast now??!!

Read the room lads jesus!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 01, 2022, 09:56:11 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner  ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.

Could rossfan be FF/FG?

As stated previously, Alliance will have to state where they stand - can't sit on the fence forever.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 09:59:16 AM
Could Marty be a Shinner  ;D :D
Alliance say nothing about a "Border poll".... they'll get transfers from all sides.
Alliance come out and say they're in favour of a "Border poll " they'll lose out on about 60% of transfers.

Could rossfan be FF/FG?

As stated previously, Alliance will have to state where they stand - can't sit on the fence forever.
They will have to at some point if a poll is called, but for now I’d say their best strategy is to sit on the fence and pick up transfers from both sides.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: oakleaflad on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 10:46:13 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.

I can’t imagine they will get to wait for that. There’s a election coming. If you think this won’t be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union. 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 01, 2022, 10:49:38 AM
SF want to get rid of South Belfast now??!!

Read the room lads jesus!

Saw that had to laugh at Murphy saying you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm sure he wouldn't be saying that if a SF seat was for the axe. Any proposal is difficult but the eastern unionist seats have much smaller populations so start there. If SB did go the one plus side is it would almost certainly end the chance of any Unionist holding one of the remaining 3 Belfast seats
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 11:04:49 AM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.

I can’t imagine they will get to wait for that. There’s a election coming. If you think this won’t be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They’ve managed to avoid it so far and I’d say this time they’ll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we’ll solve everything.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".


Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 11:48:13 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
How do you think your FF/FG mates will fare out in this election? Oh wait…..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 01, 2022, 11:57:31 AM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".

Why is that "interesting"?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 01, 2022, 12:20:47 PM
As always Fermanagh & South Tyrone will be interesting to watch.  Currently 3 SF, 1 DUP, 1 UUP on a 71.5% turnout in 2017.

Arlene Foster isn't running this time and I'd expect that Deborah Erskine who was coopted into Foster's seat should pick that up.  Paul Bell who resigned from the DUP live on TV is the other DUP candidate but with current polling it's hard to see him pick up the seat that Maurice Morrow lost in 2017.  The TUV is running Tom Elliott's cousin Alex and it'll be interesting to see how he does (780 1st prefs in 2017) For SF, big hitters Michelle Gildernew and Sean Lynch aren't running this time, but I'd expect Michelle's brother, Colm, to take that seat.  He was coopted in 2017 after she became an MP and he has fairly high profile being the health spokesperson and the Gildernew name brings a load of votes with it.  Jemma Dolan was a surprise package in 2017 benefitting from the 'surge' to SF on the day and I'd be surprised if she's not elected.  Newcomer Aine Murphy is hoping to take the 3rd seat but will be under pressure.  Nationality campaigner Emma DeSouza is running as an independent and former SF now Socialist councillor Donal O Cofaigh is running.

Alliance is hoping to nick a seat here with Matthew Beaumont and there was a surprise move from the UUP to field two candidates here for one seat and I'd say Tom Elliott will probably win a seat at the expense of sitting MLA Rosemary Barton who was elected by SDLP transfers in 2017.

Hard to predict what'll happen here.  If SF can hold the 3 seats then they've had a very good day.  But I've a feeling that Alliance will take a seat in front of SF and SDLP.

Prediction: 2 SF, DUP, 1 UUP, 1 All.

I'd love to see Alliance get a seat but I just can't see it - hope I'm wrong

FST is certainly somewhere where Alliance should be pushing for more exposure though, as having lived there for many years I found most people I encountered to be fairly moderate when it comes to politics and things of that nature

Cute hoors.  They elected 3 SF and 1 DUP last time. ;)

you all know that alliance are unionists and committed to the status quo???  ::)

neverneverland incoming again on may 5th

They are getting quite a big pale green vote these days but I agree they are essentially pro status quo or unionist. A border poll would certainly be interesting to see what Alliance do

Yeah, Alliance will have to go one way or the other.

I think Long was quizzed on this a few times re: would they be in favour of a border but didn't commit.  Or maybe their designation?

They'll have to do it sometime soon - can't keep going on. Only get so far like that.

My original general message about Alliance.

Rossfan manages to turn it into a SF rant.

#obessed
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 12:37:23 PM
Most of the 6 Co posters here agreed with me that Alliance don't need to say anything about a hypothetical "Border poll".
2 posters say they have to take a position.
Only 1 party that I'm aware of talking a lot about a "Border poll".
I see Joe Brolly throwing his spake in.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 01, 2022, 12:40:40 PM
Interesting that only the 2 obvious Shinners here are calling for Alliance to declare where they stand on a hypothetical "Border poll".
Who were the two?

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 12:48:55 PM
Most of the 6 Co posters here agreed with me that Alliance don't need to say anything about a hypothetical "Border poll".
2 posters say they have to take a position.
Only 1 party that I'm aware of talking a lot about a "Border poll".
I see Joe Brolly throwing his spake in.
I agree that it’s not the most pressing issue in this election. But the day is fast approaching where it will be an issue, surely unless anyone but a totally blinkered Jim Allister style clown can see that. They’ll have to take a side then I reckon or be torn to bits because a border poll will be the biggest issue in 100 years on this island. Anyway all immaterial to this election.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 01, 2022, 12:59:53 PM
If they state a position it will rule out us ones or them ones so others are trying to draw them out. They don't have to state their position but it would be interesting to hear them open up about it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 01:06:46 PM
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems. When excately would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 02:12:43 PM
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems. When excately would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
What do you propose then? A border poll next year would be very, very close!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 01, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
These people calling for a border poll, if one occurred and we obviously lose, cause no-one on Sinn Fein passed maths it seems.
That's just a misrepresentation. SF aren't calling for a border poll to happen today. Or tomorrow. They are lobbying for the governments, particularly the southern one, to plan for the eventuality of the an inevitable poll.

When exactly would the 2nd one be? Or are u in the Scotland situation where they gearing to go again if allowed 10yrs after the last, only the situation changed and they lose again. If we won the poll on 2nd attempt, is there another poll down the line after that one to rejoin the UK, if we don't like the pup we been soon and discovered it was all Boris like promises?
The next one will be no less than 7 years after the first. As per the GFA. I don't think it will come to that myself. The Brits wont grant a border poll until they can't credibly deny that the result is a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 01, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.

I can’t imagine they will get to wait for that. There’s a election coming. If you think this won’t be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They’ve managed to avoid it so far and I’d say this time they’ll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we’ll solve everything.

Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.

If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Taylor on April 01, 2022, 03:50:26 PM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.

I can’t imagine they will get to wait for that. There’s a election coming. If you think this won’t be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They’ve managed to avoid it so far and I’d say this time they’ll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we’ll solve everything.

Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.

If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.

Given the way this place surely that should be the first priority?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 01, 2022, 04:14:38 PM
I know a comparison is to compare Alliance to Labour who sat on the fence too long regarding Brexit, but it may be in Alliance's best interests to sit on the fence and accept the result of a poll. They could lose too many voters one way or another declaring on either side.
They’ll have nowhere to hide if a borderpoll does happen, they’ll be torn to shreds by both sides if they sit on the fence.

I can’t imagine they will get to wait for that. There’s a election coming. If you think this won’t be a key discussion in the run in to it for Alliance, your crazy. Both SF and DUP will be pushing them on this in the hope they pull back voters. The DUP in particular. They can try and sit on the fence but I think that would certainly lose them voters from the Unionist side who will want to see a commitment to the Union.
They’ve managed to avoid it so far and I’d say this time they’ll dismiss any talk of a border poll fairly easily by saying voters care more about the state of the health service and by the disgustingly high cost of living and play to the narrative of look at the DUP and Shinners arguing over the same Orange vs Green shite, vote for us and we’ll solve everything.

Alliance can afford to sit on the fence in relation to a border poll as it's not having any traction either way with its support base. They'll keep pushing the jobs, education, health comes first mantra as that works for them.

If there is indeed a border poll IMO they don't have to commit either way and could sit it out so to speak and hope to gather up the pieces post border poll outcome.

Given the way this place surely that should be the first priority?

In any normal society yes, most definitely, but then you've lunatics like the DUP making a fuss over the NI Protocol and pull down the Assembly because they now feel less British than Finchley and hinder said priorities as well as the Orange/Green question is never far away when these politicians are being interviewed by the local media..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 04, 2022, 04:14:16 PM
The Shinners are deluded about a Border Poll, the DUP are deluded about the Protocol and NI meanwhile needs a new economic model and a hurling plan.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 04, 2022, 07:02:53 PM
would a lost border poll mean dissidents become bigger would people say we cant achieve it democratically so we need to go back to force also with conspiracy culture big these days the losing side will accuse the other side of vote fraud we could see a situation where the likes of sammy say electon is rigged to stir up paramilitary forces.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 04, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 04, 2022, 07:10:49 PM
They probably wont agree with go into stormont anyway so its a ghost election you could say.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 04, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
would a lost border poll mean dissidents become bigger would people say we cant achieve it democratically so we need to go back to force also with conspiracy culture big these days the losing side will accuse the other side of vote fraud we could see a situation where the likes of sammy say electon is rigged to stir up paramilitary forces.
Scotland had a very tight independence poll which was won by the Unionist side in 2014.
There hasn't been a rerun since.

Brexit was won 52-48 and has been a clusterfuck
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on April 04, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

+1 but will NEVER change.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 09:23:13 AM
The Shinners are deluded about a Border Poll,

How so? They're not asking for one tomorrow. They're essentially only asking for the government in the south to plan for the eventuality.

OK maybe it's deluded to expect FF or FG (AKA "The Republican Party" and "The United Ireland Party") to actually do carry out some responsible pre-plqnning ahead of what is an inevitable border poll; but it's only a matter of time until SF are in government and saud planning can begin.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

+1 but will NEVER change.

If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?

Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?

Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 09:52:33 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

+1 but will NEVER change.

If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?

Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?

Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?

Yeah, these people who moan about politicians: they should stand themselves.

Instead of moaning about it or saying nobody represents them.

I think there's never been as much choice in terms of different political parties and independents etc.

And yet people still complain.  I'd say the the people who moan the most are usually the people who don't vote.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 10:20:23 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

Being a Unionist/ Nationalist does not make you sectarian.

Alliance voters need to realise this.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 10:30:55 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 10:42:48 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

+1 but will NEVER change.

If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?

Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?

Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?

But do they - my son is voting for the first time, he said and I quote - "Take it I just vote Sinn Fein" , I am sure that view is representative within nationalist and unionist areas!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 10:55:20 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites

+1 but will NEVER change.

If someone gives first preference to the party they feel best represents his/her views on achieving an end to partition, does that make him/her sectarian?

Ditto for someone who wants to vote for the party that they believe best represents/is best placed to maintain union with Britain, does that make them sectarian?

Or, perish the thought, could it actually be entirely legitimate to vote for the party that best represents your views on a massively important political question?

But do they - my son is voting for the first time, he said and I quote - "Take it I just vote Sinn Fein" , I am sure that view is representative within nationalist and unionist areas!

Isn't that just a youth thing? Voting is often traditional within families across the world. Or are you arguing that your son is sectarian?lol

Maybe he knows enough politically to know that he wants a united Ireland and as such assumes that he should be voting SF?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:21:48 AM
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!

Not sure about that.  It'd be interesting to see what percentage of U20's say, vote?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Average Score on April 05, 2022, 11:27:55 AM
In fairness most youth couldn't give a damn, he's more concerned about getting a house in the holylands!

Not sure about that.  It'd be interesting to see what percentage of U20's say, vote?

I would say it is very high, I was replying to that statement below, first time voters will vote in numbers but just as snapchat says how their parents vote, there will be no political insight.



Maybe he knows enough politically to know that he wants a united Ireland and as such assumes that he should be voting SF?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 11:28:30 AM
I see an opinion poll saying only 1 in 3 of ye would vote for re unification!!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 11:28:38 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.
Don’t know an awful pile about them tbh, the issue they were big on (abortion) doesn’t really get many headlines these days. Don’t think they will do a big pile to be honest.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 05, 2022, 11:46:26 AM
I see an opinion poll saying only 1 in 3 of ye would vote for re unification!!

You forgot to mention that the poll question was how you'd vote if the referendum was held tomorrow. Imagine how many would vote for it with a plan in place, and with every party in the south actively campaigning for a 'yes' result throughout the referendum.

Remove the 'don't knows' from the equation and 40% of the population who do know how they'd vote, would vote for unity tomorrow.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on April 05, 2022, 11:55:53 AM

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Aontú are not right wing, they favour giving people free money just as much as many more, they are just not woke.
But there is a touch of the one man band about them, I cannot think of another Aontú person other than Tóibín.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 11:57:58 AM
Sinn Fein are a woke party these days.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:01:36 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Man Marker on April 05, 2022, 12:08:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.

agreed we will.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:24:21 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.

agreed we will.

Aontú Abú
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:26:17 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"










"
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:27:59 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?

Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:29:17 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Really? Do people in this country actually understand difference between right and left
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:29:31 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"

SF could get 50 seats and they won't get the FM role because there is not a chance in hell of Unionists electing a deputy. The house of cards falls and then who knows what happens next.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:31:32 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"

SF could get 50 seats and they won't get the FM role because there is not a chance in hell of Unionists electing a deputy. The house of cards falls and then who knows what happens next.

Very possible
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 12:32:28 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?

Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.

Further west you go in Ulster more people are  turned off it
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 12:45:39 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.
For what reason? Abortion?

Mostly over the very liberal abortion framework in place in the North that was cheered on by SF. Moves like that might play well in Belfast and Dublin but not in rural areas.

Further west you go in Ulster more people are  turned off it
Fair enough. Not something I really would be bothered by one way or another but can see why its a big issue for people on either side.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 12:52:51 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.

All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote? 

Has Aontú's time come and gone?  Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there  but it's a slow build.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 12:56:49 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.

All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote? 

Has Aontú's time come and gone?  Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there  but it's a slow build.

I'm nearly sure Kerr was openly pro life last time out. He won 17% in Michelle Oneills electoral ward which is impressive.

Haven't seen much electioneering by the Aontú candidate in mid ulster though.

Tóibín claims their membership has doubled in the north in recent weeks. Who knows.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 01:11:17 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"










"

And your preferences after no1.?
It's a PR Election
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
For what reason? Abortion?

I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:29:13 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 01:30:39 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

Yes. Proving my point for me there lad, i am prepared to vote on principle and policy rather than "to make sure we get FM and they dont"










"

And your preferences after no1.?
It's a PR Election

TBC
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
For what reason? Abortion?

I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.

I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.

Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..

PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.

The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
For what reason? Abortion?

I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.

I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.

Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..

PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.

The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.

Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
Sectarian politics. Stupid eejits voting for these gobshites
Do you not support Aontu?

How will they do?  The TUV of the green side?

With Toibín, like Jim Allister, they seem to be a one man band. They haven't really progressed and polling very low in the opinion polls recently. 

Big election for them but they're not getting their message across or maybe people not interested in their right wing type politics.

Watch this space.

With regards Mid Ulster they got 8% in Carntogher in 2019.
Dan Kerr in Torrent got nearly 17%, costing SF a council seat. He is not Aontú of course but I believe alot of that vote will go to Aontú this time as the pro-life lobby will have nowhere else to go to give SF a bloody nose. These numbers will need to be improved to get a seat but I think they may be closer than what alot of people think.

Haven't looked at other constituencies yet so couldn't comment.

I will say I have been talking to people who voted SF their whole life who are voting Aontú this time.

All this is good but not showing in the opinion polls so far. You'd think it'd show up. Is Kerr not an independent republican? So it it not more of an anti SF vote moreso than a pro Aontú vote? 

Has Aontú's time come and gone?  Obviously they might pick up a council seat or two here and there  but it's a slow build.

I'm nearly sure Kerr was openly pro life last time out. He won 17% in Michelle Oneills electoral ward which is impressive.

Haven't seen much electioneering by the Aontú candidate in mid ulster though.

Tóibín claims their membership has doubled in the north in recent weeks. Who knows.

I find it strange that they double their membership a few weeks before an election. They've been about this past 3 or 4 years now.

Really standing on one issue.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 05, 2022, 02:41:20 PM
For what reason? Abortion?

I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.

I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.

Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..

PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.

The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.

Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.

Would that not make them part of the sectarian headcount as well then as much as anyone voting SF or DUP if the constitutional question trumps policy?
From the polls recently it doesn’t look like many are leaving SF. Unless they are being replaced by new SF voters. But I think the more likely is that SF are holding the majority of their voter base. Next few weeks will be interesting but I can’t see anything other than a SF FM (Whether they’ll get a chance to take up that position is another thing). And I think that’s a bad reflection on DUP in comparison who have fallen badly in the polls. Their mis-management was always going to have an impact given the scale of it this time. They are losing voters from either end of the unionist spectrum.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:43:11 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:45:16 PM
For what reason? Abortion?

I know of 2 older relatives who always voted Sinn Fein but said never again after the abortion issue. however they had never heard of Aontu and there are bound to be more like them. therefore if Aontu were to get their act together over the coming weeks they might do better than people think.

I know of a few people as well but they changed their stance straight away i.e. a few years ago and went with Aonytú ever since. Older people obviously but conversely young people new to voting will cancel that out I'd say.

Anybody voting Aontú for that one issue, should by extension, be giving a preference to the DUP and TUV etc..

PBP seem to be city based and be interesting to see how Gerry Carroll goes in WB and Fergusion in NB. I think they were for Brexit but never seem to be questioned on it.

The 4th and 5th seat in a lot of areas will be interesting. I think the DUP, as time goes along towards the election, will do grand. They've cut back on their seat numbers as such.

Not many doing that, the constitutional question is still important.

Ah, come on! That's the only reason. Are you for real?

Just take a quick glance through the last few pages re: Aontù. It's the only issue.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 04:59:05 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Aontú consistently on 2%.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: lenny on April 05, 2022, 05:31:38 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

I know a couple of Aontu supporters. They’re completely single issue ie abortion. They’re both completely nuts and vulnerable to all sorts of Qanon conspiracy theories. Not sure if that’s in any way representative of Aontu supporters in general. It’s a wasted vote in my opinion.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 05, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
SDLP tend to have better quality control.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: HiMucker on April 05, 2022, 06:34:19 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 06:37:06 PM
dup putting the protocol before people starving to death.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 05, 2022, 07:08:56 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:09:42 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.

Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.

To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain  . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless

But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 07:10:05 PM
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:10:28 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 07:12:17 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 05, 2022, 07:21:34 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.

Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.

To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain  . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless

But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
A lot of “we”s in that post. We all knew anyway but at least finally you admit to being a stooper after all.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 07:45:31 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
Well I thought it would matter quite a lot for a party trying to win voters over from another. I asked you as I was genuinely interested to know, and I thought from your post above you were more than just a voter and an active party member and would be able to tell me of any policy differences.
Regards your point about the SDLP and SF, I would see the SDLP as more light touch with regards to the constitutional question. SDLP ones might argue against that but that's how I see it as a voter. They are probably a bit more torwards the centre on other issues than SF as well.

Apologies if I picked you up wrong usually everything loaded in here.

To use your language we aren't as light as SF on our approach to Britain  . We won't be inviting the commanding officer of the paras for handshakes anytime soon.
We won't be infiltrating every community organization and bleeding them dry through fraud, nepotism and greed.
We won't be protecting sex abusers and shipping boys off to Dubai as security guards, we won't bending our knees at free Derry corner for every woke cause going. We won't be blasting coke flat out. The list is endless

But that's just ethics and culture. On policy we are of course very similar, but nothing wrong with that , I'll take a more ethical , trustworthy version of SF with few tweaks any day of the week
A lot of “we”s in that post. We all knew anyway but at least finally you admit to being a stooper after all.

Read back few posts if your able lol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: clarshack on April 05, 2022, 08:19:59 PM
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....

The time period referred to was the last 20 years. Do you think that the South is a better place to live in now than in the noughties?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 08:51:52 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 05, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.

Abortion is not a civil right.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 05, 2022, 09:14:00 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP
Fear other than the abortion stance, where does Aontú differ from SF regarding policy?

Why does that matter? Other than Westminster how does SF differ from SDLP
They want a UI? Lol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 09:15:42 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.

Abortion is not a civil right.

Sinn Féin call it women's health care
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 05, 2022, 09:16:52 PM
Clarshack another No voter in the "Border Poll" I presume?
Maybe we should go back to the mid 80s or the 1950s.....

The time period referred to was the last 20 years. Do you think that the South is a better place to live in now than in the noughties?
At least it's a more real economy now not a giant property market.
Mind you "Independent" newspapers are stoking those fures again....
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on April 05, 2022, 09:36:07 PM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.

Abortion is not a civil right.
Not according to a zealot
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 10:39:07 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 05, 2022, 11:32:41 PM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.

It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 06, 2022, 09:06:53 AM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.

Abortion is not a civil right.

Sinn Féin call it women's health care

As do millions and millions of women around the world.

We men are great at sticking in our magic stick and f**king off when we don't like the consequences of our actions but yet the onus is always with the girl to make the hard calls and whilst a lot on here will say that's not them I'm talking about they will know at least one or two other lads who they know have done similar...

I personally don't agree with abortion but then I'd don't know every poor girls circumstances and like the SDLP who offered a free vote on it, it's really up to each individual to make their own call on it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:29:04 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on April 06, 2022, 10:30:47 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?

Anyone here drink and drive? If you don't like it don't do it, but don't be telling other people what they should do.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:33:25 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:34:28 AM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.

It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Don’t have twitter any more but can imagine the sort of gobshite you’re on about. Thankfully have encountered very few in real life
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:41:58 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 06, 2022, 10:45:50 AM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.

It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language

Mistake no 1 dear Fear!  ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 06, 2022, 10:48:05 AM
It's not as if abortion has been made compulsory!
Are TUV, DUPUDA  and Aontú delighted with the Hungarian election result?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of  people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying “don’t like murder? Don’t kill anyone then.”

Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 10:50:35 AM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.

It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language

Mistake no 1 dear Fear!  ;D
Yep!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 10:57:54 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of  people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying “don’t like murder? Don’t kill anyone then.”

Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It’s about body autonomy. You as a man can’t get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn’t have that choice.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 11:18:29 AM
anti-abortion religious nuts  ???

get your own house in order comes to mind  ::)

Haven't been to mass in years mucker,lapsed

Swing and a miss Mikhail

Only time I've been to mass in the last decade is funerals and weddings.

Keep trying!

This is the problem, some folk don't know difference between morals and religious beliefs
When it comes to opposing abortion and imposing that belief onto other people denying their civil right, one is a zealot and the other a religious zealot.

Abortion is not a civil right.

Sinn Féin call it women's health care

As do millions and millions of women around the world.

We men are great at sticking in our magic stick and f**king off when we don't like the consequences of our actions but yet the onus is always with the girl to make the hard calls and whilst a lot on here will say that's not them I'm talking about they will know at least one or two other lads who they know have done similar...

I personally don't agree with abortion but then I'd don't know every poor girls circumstances and like the SDLP who offered a free vote on it, it's really up to each individual to make their own call on it.

Exactly-woke sheep ba ba. I am not agaisnt cases of medical intervention but it has gone too far, yeah the free vote was the correct way to go
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.

WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 06, 2022, 11:29:03 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of  people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying “don’t like murder? Don’t kill anyone then.”

Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It’s about body autonomy. You as a man can’t get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn’t have that choice.

Which body are we talking about? The mothers or the baby's? Because by every scientific definition the baby is a human. You may call it "tissue" or whatever but you cannot deny it is human.

I don't care if a woman wants to do something with her body, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else its none of anybodys business.
I do have an issue when you end the life of another person though. I can understand there are a tiny minority of cases where this is unavoidable when something goes wrong, but the vast vast vasssst majority of abortions involve healthy mother/healthy baby so I think any attempt to use these extreme cases to justify widespread abortions is disingenuous.

Also don't have much time for the argument that men have no opinion by virtue of the fact that they are men. Does the message need to come from a pro-life female for it to be a valid point of view? What difference does it make who says it?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 11:30:12 AM
Aontú are doing better south of border so far, up to 3%. , ahead of PBP(Brexiteers-AI party btw) and same as greens in latest poll. We have a lot of work to do north due to the battle SF v DUP

I'd say Aontú's boat has sailed in the 26 counties - it's a totally changed place this past 20 years. As can be seen from repeal and the lack of influence of the CC. Times have changed.

And not for the better.

Life moves on Clarshack, whether we like it or not.

It certainly has. Just go onto Twitter and see all the so called SF republicans congratulating Linda Ervine on her MBE. The same empire that crushed the Irish language
Don’t have twitter any more but can imagine the sort of gobshite you’re on about. Thankfully have encountered very few in real life

Paddy Barnes-too many slaps to the head there. Fergal Sharkey-couldnt believe Derry GAA twitter retweeing his stuff, Tip of the cap shite
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 11:32:19 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.

Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.

It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.

Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!

I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.

O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.

Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 06, 2022, 11:44:17 AM
One issue parties usually fade away ...remember "Renua" :D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: thebigfella on April 06, 2022, 11:49:08 AM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.
A lot of  people see abortion as taking a human life. Rightly or wrongly, thats their view. So you may as well be saying “don’t like murder? Don’t kill anyone then.”

Anyway, completely off track and irrelevant to this thread.
Again, you miss the point. It’s about body autonomy. You as a man can’t get an abortion, even if you wanted to. Yet the pro-lifers are telling women they shouldn’t have that choice.

Which body are we talking about? The mothers or the baby's? Because by every scientific definition the baby is a human. You may call it "tissue" or whatever but you cannot deny it is human.

I don't care if a woman wants to do something with her body, so long as it doesn't harm anyone else its none of anybodys business.
I do have an issue when you end the life of another person though. I can understand there are a tiny minority of cases where this is unavoidable when something goes wrong, but the vast vast vasssst majority of abortions involve healthy mother/healthy baby so I think any attempt to use these extreme cases to justify widespread abortions is disingenuous.

Also don't have much time for the argument that men have no opinion by virtue of the fact that they are men. Does the message need to come from a pro-life female for it to be a valid point of view? What difference does it make who says it?

If we are bring science into it, then it's not a baby.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 06, 2022, 12:08:48 PM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.

Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.

It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.

Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!

I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.

O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.

Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?

Emma de Souza in FST?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 12:25:29 PM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.

Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.

It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.

Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!

I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.

O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.

Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?

Emma de Souza in FST?

Interesting one alright. She did great work.  Read an article  about her locating to Fermanagh.  Seems to love it there.

Surprised a politicial party didn't approach her up as she always seems interested in the political side of things.

Be hard to see her making an impact though in such a short space of time. Maybe a council seat would be the way to go first but I suppose any PR this time round is always a help building her profile.

I think Alex Easton is in Strangford - could be wrong. He left the DUP I think. Going as an independent.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 01:10:08 PM
WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
So that would make them a male-dominated right wing party then?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 01:57:00 PM
WT actual feck. Sure Aontú have at least 40% female candidates. Gone just devalve for a wee minute
So that would make them a male-dominated right wing party then?

All men with right wing policies I imagine, but im no expert lol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 01:58:24 PM
Any of the men on here had an abortion before? If you don’t like it so much, maybe.. don’t have one?
Not something that I really care about one way or the other or that I’ve ever given much thought to but that’s a ridiculous take
Not really. The point being people most opposed to abortion are all men and are from or are supporters of male-dominated right-wing parties like Aontú, TUV, DUP etc.

Don't mention to some posters that Aontù are right wing.

It was me who brought them up in the discussion. They are a one topic party and in the south, they're consistently on 2% in the opinion polls.

Move back on election matters now. Sorry for the sidetracking!

I see the DUP had their election campaign start in a cinema. It was very strange.

O'Neill keeping everything steady in her speeches etc. not wanting to drop the ball with a clanger.

Apart from C. Sugden, any other independents in with a good chance?

naw dont, especially if you cant back it up
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 06, 2022, 02:28:10 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.

No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans  on here
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 06, 2022, 02:56:11 PM
They will probably be  6 weeks of talking again after election and nothing will happen.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 06, 2022, 03:00:32 PM
the dup are part of the global right wing alliance.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 06, 2022, 03:09:03 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.

No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans  on here

*Gulpins
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 03:18:34 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 06, 2022, 03:23:37 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.

No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans  on here

So are they socially liberal? Are they on the Left? Educate me. How do they feel about Gay marriage and same sex couples? (they oppose it)
Either way, they're a one issue party. They struggle to attract any sort of talent. A lot of anti vax conspiracy theorists and general loonies.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 06, 2022, 03:23:47 PM
The same with every incumbent in every election ever tbh. Vote for us for real change. Umm if you were doing your job right why would we need this change.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:28:55 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 06, 2022, 03:31:38 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?

I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.

The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.

*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 03:33:22 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?

I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.

The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.

*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
If that happens then hopefully Alliance are able to go in as the second largest party. Leave those other bitter bastards on the sidelines where they belong. Either that or border poll time.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.

It’s the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It’s a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 06, 2022, 03:40:10 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?

I'd imagine it's just a slogan that's been focus grouped to death by political parties the world over and found to be effective.

The alternative view is that it's a recognition of the fact that this could be the first election in the history of the state where Stormont could* be led by a party which isn't unionist. That's a seismic change in and of itself, symbolically if nothing else.

*That's if the DUP go back into the assembly with a SF First Minister - something I seriously doubt will happen.
If that happens then hopefully Alliance are able to go in as the second largest party. Leave those other bitter bastards on the sidelines where they belong. Either that or border poll time.

We won't win a border poll. It's utterly pointless calling for one.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 06, 2022, 03:48:12 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.

It’s the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It’s a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.

I would kind of agree with this. It would illustrate to nationalists that power sharing was only ever power sharing when the nationalists were second in command aka  it was never really power sharing. On the other hand their voters etc would not want a first in command sf person even if first minister and deputy first minister are really the same.

The reality is we know the dup or the TUV really don't want to power share but how much do they want the gravy train. Though the question is are they still on the gravy train if they don't go into power. I would say they are
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 06, 2022, 03:53:53 PM
They are a republican conservative party. Which makes them right wing.

No it doesnt lol. Jesus some uneducated gulpans  on here

So are they socially liberal? Are they on the Left? Educate me. How do they feel about Gay marriage and same sex couples? (they oppose it)
Either way, they're a one issue party. They struggle to attract any sort of talent. A lot of anti vax conspiracy theorists and general loonies.

So socially conservative and economically left leaning makes them right winged, they had one anti vax loony who  is thankfully gone-every party has had its loonies, paedar toibín is hardly talent-less, I cant find anything in their policy about gay marriage(if it is there, I will challenge locally), im a massive advocate for it, Im hoping to attend a close relatives wedding soon(gay marriage). Im going to guess that I am a bigger supporter of gay marriage than most on here and have more experience of it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 06, 2022, 04:03:26 PM
so the dup can get away with  being anti democratic should there not be severe consequences
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 06, 2022, 04:20:33 PM
Now this isn’t a dig at Sinn Fein, I’m genuinely curious as to why they are framing this election as a chance for “real change”, what will change ? They have been in power sharing since forever. I could understand it if it was another party that could become a power sharing partner but Sinn Fein are the establishment whether they like it or not.

So what will change ?
In fairness getting a SF First Minister would be huge. In terms of day to day? I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better regardless of who is in charge.

It’s the litmus test for Democratic Unionists. Will they accept a Nationalist FM? Or will they contrive a reason not to sit? It’s a fairly significant stage for NI. And tbh power sharing depends upon it.

I would kind of agree with this. It would illustrate to nationalists that power sharing was only ever power sharing when the nationalists were second in command aka  it was never really power sharing. On the other hand their voters etc would not want a first in command sf person even if first minister and deputy first minister are really the same.

The reality is we know the dup or the TUV really don't want to power share but how much do they want the gravy train. Though the question is are they still on the gravy train if they don't go into power. I would say they are

SF having the FM role is purely symbolic but a body blow to the hardline unionists who've been raised on elitism for decades and will have to come to terms with the new reality that this place is now in limbo.

As for the DUP, in all honesty the Protocol is a red herring as Jeffrey is saying they won't go into the executive if it's still in place, he knows fine rightly it's here to stay in some form and all along they knew they were going to lose the biggest party to SF and that's why he's using the Protocol as a reason for not forming an executive with SF.

Can't see the Alliance overtaking them as the second biggest party, can anyone else see that happening?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on April 06, 2022, 04:46:47 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 06, 2022, 04:50:48 PM
No way will alliance be second. I would agree on the pesky taigs thing. Croppy lie down attitude always finds it's way to surface.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 06, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on April 06, 2022, 05:02:28 PM
I agree it should have always been joint FM, but it wasn't so I wouldn't cede it now to suit Jeff.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on April 06, 2022, 05:16:57 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

Did you ask them or nay of the parties about cost of living pressures & how working people are going to get help, pressures on the health system and how they will go about resolving them ?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 06:02:44 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on April 06, 2022, 06:05:21 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.

How about a majority of both designations to keep NI going, after all it was always seen as temporary arrangement?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 06, 2022, 06:30:08 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.

Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 06, 2022, 06:31:49 PM
There will probably weeks of will they or wont they after this election better to ignore then all jim alistair will be on nolan every morning
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 06:39:04 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
That’ll never work.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 06, 2022, 06:46:44 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
It’s win win. I’m in favour of it. Don’t give them any excuse, call their bluffs. If they go for it, great, look at Republicans tending to the Unionist sensitivities of having to serve under a SF FM. If they refuse, the offer was there, a gesture SF weren’t obliged to give but did anyway.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 06, 2022, 07:33:17 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.

Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
 ;D ;D ;D

No, political party wise per designation in the assembly.

If majority of nationalist parties want a border poll, all well and good but unionists need a majority also.

I'd say unionists will push for this change.

Whether it can be changed is another thing.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 06, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.

Pie in the sky stuff. Who verifies whether someone is a nationalist or a Unionist? Will there be an oral where they ask you to pronounce the 8th letter of the alphabet?
 ;D ;D ;D

No, political party wise per designation in the assembly.

If majority of nationalist parties want a border poll, all well and good but unionists need a majority also.

I'd say unionists will push for this change.

Whether it can be changed is another thing.
There goes the Good Friday agreement so.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 06, 2022, 09:27:54 PM
Sure the people who never supported it say we can’t have the protocol because it is in breach of the thing they never wanted.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 07, 2022, 10:23:39 AM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:

"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."


And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:

"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"


As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:

Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.

Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's bound to.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 07, 2022, 10:35:13 AM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:

"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."


And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:

"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"


As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:

Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.

Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's bound to.

There's just a certain arrogance to him I think.

Key issue for me was the attending the 'birthday party' in Armagh - celebrating the failed statelet. I think that annoyed a lot of middle of road nationalists.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 10:37:21 AM
PBP wont be getting many votes after yesterdays antics in Dáil, put that with their stance on killing babies and Brexit. The far left would want everyone back in Russia working meitheal style economies whilst toking joints
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 07, 2022, 10:45:23 AM
I feel there will be a big push after the election to redefine the roles to joint first ministers. As I told the two SF canvassers with me last night that is they agree to this don't ever knock my door again. Maybe petty of me but it was ok to have deputy first minister to put us pesky taigs in our place.

I’m split over this tbh. I understand completely where your coming from but it gives SF and opportunity to be the bigger person. Plus for power sharing, it should have been joint posts (in name) from the get go.
The Brits are hardly likely to agree to that

I think unionists will try in the next while to push for a majority for both designations for any change i.e. border poll.

I.e. a majority of nationalists and also a majority of unionists required separately.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 07, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol

How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: sensethetone on April 07, 2022, 11:56:28 AM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol

How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.

Them and Rockall..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 07, 2022, 12:38:38 PM
And Mayo  ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 07, 2022, 01:15:29 PM
In fairness, I don't think it's a case that the two nationalist parties are constantly knocking each other - it's more a case that the SDLP are obsessive about attacking SF. SF rarely bother engaging in attacks on the SDLP. Brian Feeney recently wrote a very good column in the Irish News about this:

"It seems obligatory for SDLP speakers to attack Sinn Féin rather than promoting their own position on any matter. It's obsessive, it's repetitive, it's tedious, it's been constant for years. Sometimes its just silly, such as trying to say Sinn Féin's behaviour is the cause of the DUP threatening to pull down the executive.
Enoch Powell said never to mention political opponents in speeches because it only give them a chance to excercise their right of reply. You'll notice Sinn Féin seldom or never mentions the SDLP. They concentrate their assaults on their political enemy the DUP even though it's the SDLP that's their political antagonist for votes."


And he is right. Only last week, the Irish News was reporting on the SDLP annual conference over a two page spread. Each headline was about a speaker trying to link SF to the DUP's collapsing of the executive. You'd thing that surely SOMEONE in that party should be savy enough to know that absolutely nobody is stupid enough to fall for that and that it won't refelect well on them to be trying to take people for fools? Yet as Brian Feeney went on to say in his article:

"For some reason no-one in the SDLP seems to have realised that persistently attacking Sinn Féin doesn't work. They've been hammering away now through four leaders since John Hume. For a while they tried calling the DUP & Sinn Féin 'the problem parties'. No good. The voters didn't agree and continued to vote in increasing numbers for both.
Is relentlessly attacking Sinn Féin a strategy or has it long since become merely a reflex reaction?"


As if to prove Brian Feeney's point:

Yesterday, Colum Eastwood accompanied Nicola Mallon as she handed in her papers to the electoral office and he gave an interview to the Irish News. The first TEN PARAGRAPHS of the interview are attacks on SF.

Meanwhile, under his watch, the SDLP is polling at it's lowest ever in successive polls. One day the penny will drop with him. Surely. It's bound to.

There's just a certain arrogance to him I think.

Key issue for me was the attending the 'birthday party' in Armagh - celebrating the failed statelet. I think that annoyed a lot of middle of road nationalists.

He doesn’t come across well at all. If sdlp really want to progress they need hanna, Mallon or o’toole to be in charge.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 01:31:01 PM
I think we should just go for a 30 county republic lol

How dare you leave Derry and Antrim within the UK.

antrim and yousans although id feel bad for yous the fight would go on. Border campaign 2023-29
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 07, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on April 07, 2022, 05:14:44 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

Aye, and FF and the Blueshirts don't attack Shinners on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of your hypocrisy. Met any piemen going to the fair recently?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 07, 2022, 05:59:31 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

Big cry a babies
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 07, 2022, 10:54:30 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon “made Casement happen”.  Ok?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 10:48:28 AM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 11:45:58 AM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon “made Casement happen”.  Ok?

Should never be going ahead
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 11:48:41 AM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 08, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.

From the lad who says Aontú are not right wing!!!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: nrico2006 on April 08, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Kidder81 on April 08, 2022, 01:05:24 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.

Both main parties prefer a “themmuns” approach, neither are capable of dealing with big issues like health, education or cost of living or making tough decisions. If it’s not dishing out money from an endless pot they aren’t interested. Why do you think neither took the health portfolio after the last elections ?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 08, 2022, 01:16:58 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon “made Casement happen”.  Ok?

I'm surprised Colum hasn't mentioned he stopped Brexit.

His advisers need to tell him to tone it down a bit. Not a good look all the time.

I wonder does he want to get to the assembly instead of being a stooge in London, away from all the 'action'.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Antrim Coaster on April 08, 2022, 01:31:05 PM
Colm telling BBC The View that Nichola Mallon “made Casement happen”.  Ok?

Horseshit.

At the hearing recently, the MORA residents who are campaigning against the building of Casement requested more time to prepare their case - ie a stalling tactic. Refused by the judge who wants the Casement issue sorted as it has been dragging on for years.

Nichola Mallon's department will be in court again in the near future when the judge will decide the outcome.

If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 01:34:00 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

I dont care about my representatives challenging the DUP, I want my representatives to fix the everyday issues that we all face.

Isn't it a given that people want their politicians to fix every day issues? Does that mean we should pretend that politicians don't engage in political arguments between each other? Or are you living in a pie in the sky fantasy land where you think it's possible for political parties to no longer challenge one another?

No "everyday issues" can/will be fixed while the DUP continue to boycott power sharing and continue their campaign to wreck the GFA. As it stands, their supremacist mindset is so entrenched that they are refusing to say if they will work the institutions (ie accept the result of a democtaric election) if they aren't in a dominant position over the fenians after it? Is it not fair to say that the nationalist community would prefer the SDLP challenge the DUP on all that, instead of yapping at SF?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on April 08, 2022, 02:08:34 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.

The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: themac_23 on April 08, 2022, 02:19:40 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

1. On your first part: SF are climbing in the polls, while the SDLP are slumping. I don't think it's a case of a bee in the bonnett. I think it's more a case of sheer bewilderment that the penny hasn't dropped with the SDLP that nationalists want their representatives to challenge the DUP, not other nationalists. Brian Feeney pointed out as much - noting that SF rarely as much as mention the SDLP. They focus their attacks on the DUP.

2. On your point re the south, what sort of halfwitted parallel are you trying to draw? Of course they focus their attacks on FF/FG in the south. What do you expect them to do? Not challenge any other parties? They are their direct political opponents, and closest electoral challengers in the south, in the same way as the DUP are their direct political opponents and closest electoral challengers in the north.

And the winner of this years "Tieing myself up in knots" trophy goes for the second year running to Snapchat.

From the lad who says Aontú are not right wing!!!

Im most certainly not right wing but il be voting for Aontu in the election. ive voted SF my whole life but how they spun the abortion vote, how they dealt with Covid as one of the main parties and how their complete mandate seems to be stop the DUP. I seen Michelle O'Neills flyer the other day 'time for real change' given how long SF have been trying to do anything its a bit of a stretch to think that anything other than buzz words. Also, they completely take my vote for granted, they clearly have my house down as a SF house so never actually call at my door when canvassing. I like many others are sick of the 2 main parties here and their strategy of lets say and do the opposite of the other side.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: NAG1 on April 08, 2022, 02:43:04 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.

The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.

I'm not sure enticed was the correct choice of words there Armagh, there is a word for it but enticed definitely wasnt it. Maybe take a look at a reshuffle in UC shortly after and who was no longer part of the set up and start to ask why that would maybe be the case.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 03:33:07 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.

The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.

The arrogance is astounding and this patter that they are speaking for the Gaels of Ulster is ridiculous
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 08, 2022, 03:38:25 PM
Those of you "voting for Aontú"....
Who will ye give preferences to or are ye going to be silly "Plumpers"??
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 08, 2022, 03:46:53 PM
Those of you "voting for Aontú"....
Who will ye give preferences to or are ye going to be silly "Plumpers"??

Exactly having multiple nationalist parties can actually be great for nationalist turnout but it only works if voters transfer down the list
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 08, 2022, 04:05:42 PM
If the judge rules against the building of Casement, the Antrim County Board are left without a county ground as a result of the bastards on the Ulster Council and their vision of a 38,000 stadium in West Belfast.

The Ulster Council have not come out well out of this. But Antrim should not have agreed to decommission Casement until work was ready to proceed, they too were enticed by a free stadium which they did not have to contribute to.

I'm not sure enticed was the correct choice of words there Armagh, there is a word for it but enticed definitely wasnt it. Maybe take a look at a reshuffle in UC shortly after and who was no longer part of the set up and start to ask why that would maybe be the case.

Mr Feeney perchance?

Antrim handled this very badly and I suppose they were led by the nose by the UC who ultimately will own Casement at the end of all this..

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 08, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 08, 2022, 06:30:01 PM
Yep, poor little Maryloo was almost crying in the Dáil the other day when An Taoiseach made some uncomplimentary remarks about SF, she took it so personally.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 08, 2022, 06:45:29 PM
same with their foot soldiers get criticized at the doors they go into a state of shock
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 06:50:03 PM
I'm going 1 Aontú Doyle 2 McLaughlin IRSP 3 Durkan

Doyle pro life republican, mcgocks republican working for Galliagh were I'm from, big durky sound man and only real gaa man on council and openly pro life
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 08, 2022, 07:18:37 PM
Afterall Durkan was the first person to “deliver Casement”.

Yeah hopefully seen error of his ways, he's been through a very tough life ,nice lad, playing GAA in city when it wasn't flavour of the month and doesn't blow horns and party poppers to celebrate killing unborn babies. Done enough for a vote for me.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 08, 2022, 07:31:16 PM
Afterall Durkan was the first person to “deliver Casement”.

Yeah hopefully seen error of his ways, he's been through a very tough life ,nice lad, playing GAA in city when it wasn't flavour of the month and doesn't blow horns and party poppers to celebrate killing unborn babies. Done enough for a vote for me.

Durkan is as civil and as hard a working man as you will meet.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 08, 2022, 08:58:14 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.

Way to miss the point. No issue with parties attacking SF. That's politics. I've merely pointed out how self-harming it is for the SDLP to base their entire political strategy on not being SF. They don't have a real identity beyond attacking SF, and that's entirely their own doing.

When the world and it's dog can see that the DUP are the problem party, the SDLP persist on pushing the "as bad as eachother" line. I honestly believe the electorate are punishing them for trying to take them for fools with that strategy, and yet they can't help themselves.

Sorry to keep labouring the point, but as Brian Feeney said, it's worth noting that SF rarely attack the SDLP. They rarely even mention them, but focus their attacks on the DUP instead. Not hard to see why that's a better strategy for winning nationalist votes. The SDLP, bizarrely, still haven't worked that out for themselves.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 09, 2022, 10:26:00 AM
Jeffrey and co taking stage at a protocol rally where there was a poster of doug Beattie with a noose round his neck. Classy.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 09, 2022, 10:30:10 AM
Showing their true ugly colours alright.
How many thousands at the "rally"?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 09, 2022, 10:46:58 AM
Jeffrey and co taking stage at a protocol rally where there was a poster of doug Beattie with a noose round his neck. Classy.

Dougs running mate in Upper Bann was at the rally.

Unionism is hilarious.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 09, 2022, 10:50:59 AM
Anything that attaches itself to an individual like Bryson has absolutely lost the run of itself.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 09, 2022, 11:38:57 AM
Is Bryson standing for Election?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 09, 2022, 12:25:26 PM
Is Bryson standing for Election?
No chance. Think he stood before and got about 7 votes
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 09, 2022, 11:50:46 PM
it goes beyound wanted to stay in union its about imposing right wing ideology on people they are right wingers before unionists
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 10, 2022, 02:56:35 AM
who was the guy with the cowboy hat was it some guy rusty thomas
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2022, 11:55:38 AM
Are the two Elliots standing for different Unionist parties (UUP and TUV) in FST related?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on April 10, 2022, 12:25:13 PM
Are the two Elliots standing for different Unionist parties (UUP and TUV) in FST related?

Cousins I believe
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 10, 2022, 06:26:45 PM
SF have a real bee in their bonnet about SDLP "attacking" them, yet they do the exact same to FF and FG on an almost daily basis in the South. Another example of their hypocrisy.

As I've said elsewhere, the shinners are some of the thinnest skinned people in politics. Can't stand being attacked by their political opponents whose job it is to attack them. Good at dishing it out, not so good at taking it.

Way to miss the point. No issue with parties attacking SF. That's politics. I've merely pointed out how self-harming it is for the SDLP to base their entire political strategy on not being SF. They don't have a real identity beyond attacking SF, and that's entirely their own doing.

When the world and it's dog can see that the DUP are the problem party, the SDLP persist on pushing the "as bad as eachother" line. I honestly believe the electorate are punishing them for trying to take them for fools with that strategy, and yet they can't help themselves.

Sorry to keep labouring the point, but as Brian Feeney said, it's worth noting that SF rarely attack the SDLP. They rarely even mention them, but focus their attacks on the DUP instead. Not hard to see why that's a better strategy for winning nationalist votes. The SDLP, bizarrely, still haven't worked that out for themselves.

Why would you need to attack the party well off in polls, jesus sur work it out
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 10, 2022, 08:01:00 PM
I think the thing is his constant attacks are not working.  Somebody in his PR needs to point it out to him and tell him to tone it down a bit...or stop it completely.

Since Eastwood has took over, he has lost his party suppprt in percentage terms.

As I've already stated the parties, outwith the DUP, will work and do work with each other and are willing to.  The DUP is the problem. This 'they're as bad as each other' is casually threw out but the other parties do work together - maybe not to everyone's satisfaction but they try.

Saw a good few posters today. Aontú are similar to SF and vice versa while the SDLP's are similar colour and layout etc. to PBP or vice versa.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on April 11, 2022, 11:59:18 AM
There seems to be some controversy after nearly all of these anti protocol events, the latest being a picture of Beattie with a noose around his neck and some crackpot called Rusty Thomas speaking from the platform. Its almost like a boy band going on tour with Bryson, Allister and Donaldson and one other every week. Donaldson in his desperation to shore up DUP votes is losing more credibility as a serious politician with each event. But he is afraid to rock the boat in the lead up to an election so he will continue to attend these mini hate fests.   
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 11, 2022, 12:26:30 PM
Quote
some crackpot called Rusty Thomas

Just what the mix needed!

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 11, 2022, 12:34:24 PM
It's getting more like a parody comedy every day that passes!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 11, 2022, 09:56:42 PM
Apparently Donaldson has now said if the protocol isn’t removed they’re not going into government. Great  >:(

Well tbh they never really were going into government anyway.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on April 11, 2022, 11:26:33 PM
Apparently Donaldson has now said if the protocol isn’t removed they’re not going into government. Great  >:(

Well tbh they never really were going into government anyway.

As with all the major decisions since he took the leadership he will do whatever he is told by his superiors.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on April 11, 2022, 11:53:48 PM
Quote
some crackpot called Rusty Thomas

Just what the mix needed!

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725 (https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/pastor-rusty-thomas-anti-protocol-23654725)
Perhaps a united Ireland ain't such a good idea, seeing as the current border status keeps the lunatics corralled north of the border, (apologies to any Tyronies who take offense where none was intended).
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 12, 2022, 04:37:14 AM
We will probably have weeks and weeks boring talks after election
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Walter Cronc on April 12, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on April 12, 2022, 10:14:11 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers

SF take the piss with them. I counted 22 in Hilltown village at the weekend.

Jim Wells has left the DUP
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 12, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 12, 2022, 10:30:52 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers

Yeah, in this day and age, posters should be a thing of the past. 

Must be expensive. I'd say each poster would be £5 - £10 each?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on April 12, 2022, 10:42:39 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers

Yeah, in this day and age, posters should be a thing of the past. 

Must be expensive. I'd say each poster would be £5 - £10 each?

Totally agree, such a waste of time and money not to mention the eyesore from having to look at them for weeks on end every time you stop at a junction. 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 12, 2022, 10:45:29 AM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JohnDenver on April 12, 2022, 12:05:35 PM
I see Arlene having a dig at Jim Wells today after his resignation and support of the TUV candidate.  Basically confirming what everybody already knew, but only when he leaves the party. There are plenty like him still in the DUP.

https://twitter.com/ArleneFosterUK/status/1513812264977113088?s=20&t=cHdklgdr9bOfgnmGe74pGA
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 12, 2022, 12:18:27 PM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 12, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
Presumably that same system will be brought in again till Unionism realises the GFA remains the only show in town?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 12, 2022, 12:26:38 PM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.

The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 12, 2022, 12:42:51 PM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.

The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.
Can’t see it but Christ wouldn’t it be brilliant if DUP were the 3rd biggest party
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 12:45:54 PM
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2022, 01:06:06 PM
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.

Arlene going in two footed on Well's but asks the question as when she was leader did she not do more if he's such a misogynist and self serving bollox, but then again that seems par for the course with that particular party.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 12, 2022, 01:19:54 PM
Does joint rule kick in if the Assembly doesn't work? Or direct rule from London?
Direct Rule I'd say but through whatever numpty gets landed with the Secretary of State punishment role.
Not necessarily. Direct rule is a controversial step and isn't just automatically triggered in the event of an assembly collapse. During the last suspension, while the budget was set by Westminster, the allocation of the budget, as well as the day-to-day governance, was carried out by the civil service.

The current ministers stay in situ and run the departments. Which is a completely undemocratic and provides us with shite government.
The DUP have to go in to government, they are committing the biggest act of self sabotage since Brexit if they don't.

The DUP think Brexit was a good thing.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 12, 2022, 01:22:15 PM
What about the distasteful tweet by the clown John Taylor?

Obviously I don't want to put it up but it was nasty.
 
He's another Wells.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2022, 01:26:04 PM
She wasn't so mouthy against the ginger ninja the other day.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 12, 2022, 01:28:04 PM
The Wells thing and Arlene Foster out with the knives is pretty big too. They are a mess. It will be a sad reflection of our society if they are still the biggest party or anything next to near it.

Arlene going in two footed on Well's but asks the question as when she was leader did she not do more if he's such a misogynist and self serving bollox, but then again that seems par for the course with that particular party.

Correct Johnny - she had, as boss, chances to pull him up over these kinds of issues but never did - kind of, ah, sure isn't that our Jim' type of thing.

DUP in a real mess - the party must be badly split still since the Poots' leadership bid etc.

Wtf is the Pastor Rusty thing about? It really is a wtf moment thing. I saw a photo of him with Allister at Stomont yet Allister denies knowing who brought him to the Lurgan rally.

They are really heading to the Trump style political side shows now.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 12, 2022, 03:01:41 PM
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on April 12, 2022, 03:13:14 PM
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.

The DUP leader no matter who is in position, is merely a puppet figurehead ever since Paisley retired. You only have to look at Jeffrey Donaldson standing on a public platform with dignitaries such as Jamie Bryson and Rusty Thomas to know what lengths he will go to in order to try and shore up votes. He will do whatever OO and LCC tell him to do, the same as Arlene before him. Doug Beattie has already admitted that he has received threats in relation to him pulling his support for the anti protocol rallies. At least Beattie is leading his party whereas with Jeffrey Donaldson it is hard to know what exactly he stands for, he would fit in well with the current Tory party.   
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2022, 04:11:26 PM
It also indicates what we really know - the leader of the party is really just a figurehead an not actually a leader at all. If she led Wells would be out. If Jeffrey really led then Wells would have been out and arguably Poots.

Tim Cairns had a bit of a nibble back at Arlene there on Twatter. Need to keep an eye on that one.

In relation as to who is actually running the DUP, there's evidently two factions vying for power, Poots was the leader of one as he narrowly beat Jeffrey to the first leaders election after he'd run Arlene out of town.

Jeffrey got his second bite when Poots was undermined when he evidently agreed to the ILA being passed in WM to get Givan in the hotseat.

But ever since there's been leaks from both sides, Jeffrey talking to the UUP about defecting and Poots having to move to South Belfast as he wasn't wanted in South Down must have been a kick in the balls for him...

This will get nasty if things really go pear shaped in May and it will be interesting who takes what side in the battle within the DUP shíthouse.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 12, 2022, 11:30:11 PM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: clarshack on April 13, 2022, 08:28:40 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.

won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 13, 2022, 08:33:26 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
.

Heard about this. Anyone got a video of it?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 13, 2022, 08:39:35 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.

won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.

Will they do well enough to get a candidate over the line anywhere else other than North Antrim?

I don't think they will but they'll probably give the DUP quite a lot of transfers which in all fairness were probably DUP first preference voters in the past anyway,,
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 09:07:22 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.

won't be shocked to see the TUV do well either as there are still loads of bitter loyalists here.

Will they do well enough to get a candidate over the line anywhere else other than North Antrim?

I don't think they will but they'll probably give the DUP quite a lot of transfers which in all fairness were probably DUP first preference voters in the past anyway,,
Yeah I’d say that’s most likely but wouldn’t be overly surprised if they nick a seat somewhere else ahead of the DUP.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 09:08:17 AM
Loyalists are starting to get restless. SF election posters in Portadown has them up in arms, likewise the sight of SDLP posters in south Belfast has them riled - even confronted by the brave, female candidate who they then assaulted. 5th of May will be a hard one for them to swallow
TUV ad was on tv last night. Got a great laugh out of it, pure and utter bigotted propaganda.

Fun drinking game would be take a shot every time Sinn Fein is mentioned. Says a lot about the state of the North that they’ll probably get a decent chunk of votes.
.

Heard about this. Anyone got a video of it?
Nope but I’m sure it’ll be repeated this evening. Brutal stuff.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 13, 2022, 09:26:17 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)

DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)

SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)

SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 13, 2022, 10:00:03 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)

DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)

SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)

SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)

They usually are a big cringe fest. Not being bias but I thought Eastwood and Finucane spoke the best. The TUV peb was what you would expect even managed to squeeze in a stormoUnt for laughs. The Alliance peb was pretty dull but did well to keep Naomi out of some if it because she can be quite irritating. The Dup production wise was actually ok if you just ignore the lies about the protocol
You missed the uup peb. Just checked it out on iPlayer the most blatant tick box for diversity you will ever see even managed to crowbar in a girl playing camogie ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: bogball88 on April 13, 2022, 10:10:08 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)

DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)

SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)

SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
TUV marginally edge out DUP on the number of times Sinn Fein is mentioned, 5 v 4
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 13, 2022, 11:02:01 AM
TUV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpAJQ_cjmo)

DUP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XqlmfMWoY)

SF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZhI8Br64hE)

SDLP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2dY2lY9vU)
TUV marginally edge out DUP on the number of times Sinn Fein is mentioned, 5 v 4

Do these broadcasts really make a difference?

TUV is a bit mad alright - worse actually than I thought it'd be.  I suppose that's their game - appealing to that type of loyalism and with Allister at the wheel and getting loads of PR on Nolan this past 18 months, then it'll get them plenty of votes.

Be interesting to see the lie of the land on the 6th/7th of May.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
The TUV are bonkers. I don't even know how many realistic candidates they have but it is a worry they will get more votes.

It is going to be interesting to see where the DUP sit and if the UUP can step up. Tbh I don't think from a nationalist standpoint huge amounts will change but it really will be interesting to see whether unionism rejects the shit stirring bile you get on Nolan or whether on the whole they want to shift to more moderate UUP / Alliance.

When it's all over there probably won't even be a stormont anyway  >:(
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 11:16:27 AM
Unionism is in a state of chaos. Brexit and demographics have changed everything.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:08:55 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Hereiam on April 13, 2022, 02:18:57 PM
Got a TUV leaflet in the post there......12 times Sein Fein are mention in it.
Its now in the fire where it belongs
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 02:24:58 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election

Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 13, 2022, 02:32:39 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election

Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?

https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll (https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 13, 2022, 02:36:02 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election

Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?
Haven’t seen this anywhere sorry, unless it’s buried in that wiki article somewhere!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on April 13, 2022, 03:31:10 PM
where can you find the nominations for candidates in the 6 counties?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election

Sorry I meant the signatures of the people who nominated the candidates, does this be online?

https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll (https://www.eoni.org.uk/Elections/Information-for-candidates-and-agents/Statement-of-Persons-Nominated-and-Notice-of-Poll)

Thank you
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 04:21:18 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mary-lou-now-a-bigger-problem-for-unionism-than-mcguinness-and-adams-1.4761968

unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on April 13, 2022, 05:40:34 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 13, 2022, 06:09:28 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mary-lou-now-a-bigger-problem-for-unionism-than-mcguinness-and-adams-1.4761968

unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.unionists cannot rely on helpful circumstances and benign outcomes. They have been caught on the hop far too often since 2016. They need to be prepared for every outcome and have thought-through strategies for every eventuality.

I think it was Jim Molyneaux who stated after the ceasefire that it was the worst thing to happen to unionism.

He understood that they had no more excuses and equaliry would be a problem.

Re: fm and dfm, it rings true about not accepting nationalists  as equal.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 13, 2022, 06:19:04 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 13, 2022, 06:39:42 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.

I think you are bang on  :(
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on April 13, 2022, 07:28:50 PM
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.

Sounds like the West of Ireland.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on April 13, 2022, 11:11:28 PM
The bastards have been broken with equality.
And emigration. All the best ones left. There is a very high gobshite quotient amongst the ones remaining.

I think this is undoubtedly true. There has been a massive brain drain within political unionism over the last few decades as most of their sharpest minds are all near retirement age. Whether you like them or not Allister, Dodds, Robinson and Foster were probably 4 of their smartest operators politically.

The Union itself will come under jeopardy over the course of the next generation and there is no incentive for young Protestants to enter political life when you see the treatment doled out to their politicians by loyalists. Beattie stood up to it and has been vilified whilst Donaldson is playing along with it but is a lame duck. This vacuum in unionist leadership has been filled by dimwits like Bryson and Holmes who will take unionism further into the gutter.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 14, 2022, 07:51:33 AM
Time to ban election posters. Waste of money and sick looking at the f**ckers

SF take the piss with them. I counted 22 in Hilltown village at the weekend.

Jim Wells has left the DUP

Agree with the posters, was driving with the missus into Enniskillen and SF had posters up on every lamp-post. Must be 10 of Jemma Dolan for half a mile.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Ghost on April 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 08:25:18 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.

Absolutely zero issue with the SDLP posters in the North West  ;)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 08:34:28 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.

I doubt that one in ormeau park was staged but it is odd they seem to be targeted more than SF. Tbh what I think is possible is that they are just the only ones highlighting it. I am sure it goes on for plenty of parties.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on April 14, 2022, 08:50:15 AM
I don’t know too many people that would change who they are voting for because a party had their posters taken down. Posters are a waste of time now with the various social media channels out there
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 08:57:13 AM
Absolutely. I dunno who would change a vote based on a poster.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 14, 2022, 09:05:37 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.

I doubt that one in ormeau park was staged but it is odd they seem to be targeted more than SF. Tbh what I think is possible is that they are just the only ones highlighting it. I am sure it goes on for plenty of parties.
It happens to all parties, I know for a fact that majority of SF posters around Armagh City were ripped down and have seen DUP ones half ripped from lamp posts in a few other places.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on April 14, 2022, 09:15:01 AM
Saw quite a few Alliance reports and then with the obligatory “it is an attack on democracy but will not deter us……” etc etc

Probably depends how active they are on social media
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
I just saw a TUV election leaflet. Aside from the SF stuff the two tier policing stuff is laughable. Did he watch what were basically paramilitaries march through newtownards road being watched by the cops on the newtownards road and then watch how a couple of families tried to commemorate their dead on the ormeau road on the anniversary of the sean graham shooting and get arrested? That's not to mention constant threats by loyalist paramilitaries and then very suspicious circumstances around the likes of that poor wee fella Donohue. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 14, 2022, 09:26:51 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!!  On a similar vein, it’s interesting that there hasn’t been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 14, 2022, 09:33:43 AM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!!  On a similar vein, it’s interesting that there hasn’t been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
95% chance that anything done to that was Willie and his mates. Know someone who more or less caught him red handed defacing a different memorial to an IRA victim many years ago
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 09:36:35 AM
Jesus imagine that boy was about at the minute.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 14, 2022, 10:50:06 AM
Jesus imagine that boy was about at the minute.

I miss him and LAD, he never failed to give them plenty of material
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 10:53:07 AM
LAD have cleared out to dublin. Death threats etc galore.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 14, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 14, 2022, 12:58:12 PM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.

Doug Beattie had a noose put round his neck on a stolen poster but yeah its an SDLP thing they're making up.

What a f**king take.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 01:05:07 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

I think their stance on nhs workers having to get the vaccine or else they lose their jobs may detrimentally impact sdlp tbh.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 01:24:03 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 14, 2022, 01:26:48 PM
Saw quite a few Alliance reports and then with the obligatory “it is an attack on democracy but will not deter us……” etc etc

Probably depends how active they are on social media

the north is not a democracy so all this is hardly a surprise  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 14, 2022, 02:39:33 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 02:49:35 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 14, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Do any of the other parties seem to be having as much trouble with election posters as the SDLP? The cynic in me nearly thinks they're doing it deliberately to gain sympathy from voters.
The old double bluff!!  On a similar vein, it’s interesting that there hasn’t been a single act of vandalism carried out at the Kingsmill Monument since the late Willie Frazer passed away
The original Kingsmills memorial, was there for over 30 years, and was never vandalized once, not once.  When Willie and his mates were plastering the new one, they took a 30 minute lunch break and when they came back there was IRA scratched into the plaster!!  Did they plaster over it? Did they f**k, they rang every newsagency in the North who descended in their droves.  He even went over to Bessbrook and brought over the poor elderly wife of one of the victims to show her in his words, "What the people of Whitecross thought of innocent victims'
The SDLP when asked about it, couldn't state the obvious that Willie done it himself because they would have been roasted by the media for victim blaming.  SF for obvious reasons couldn't comment on it either.  But of all the shit that Willie got up to , this was one low act that was amongst the worst of his career.  Anyway f**k him, he's dead.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 14, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co

There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JoG2 on April 14, 2022, 05:26:17 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co

There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.

Hopefully Tommy
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 14, 2022, 11:06:52 PM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

Jog2 she had not come out as anti vax or at least I dont think as openly when she last stood, people did not vote for her on that basis. Aontú will hopefully keep some votes away from her but she might pick up others elsewhere.

She has a very big on the ground following in Shantallow through her years working out of Shanty Clinic
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 15, 2022, 08:15:48 AM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co


so is  she now a war expert i think the man from strabane is going about claming to a war expert aswell
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 15, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
is being vaccine zealot going to come back to haunt eastwood

Don't think so, we'll not much, vast majority understand the need for vaccines. The ones who don't can find a like minded individual in Anne McCloskey, she'll poll 3k approx = the number of folk (small but very vocal) she took down her particular rabbit hole

You reckon she'll get 3000 votes?

Prob not, 3k upwards is the number of followers she has on social media, depending on what percentage continue to follow her and vote. Though I think it's all about Ukraine and climate change these days with McCloskey and Co

There are people who will follow her to see the bonkers shit she comes out with. Voting would be a fraction of that I imagine.

Hopefully Tommy

I follow George Galloway for an alternative version of reality to see what different people think. I would guess many would do the same here.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 15, 2022, 09:31:09 AM
i think some people follow people they dont like like some labour voters probably follow boris johnson.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 15, 2022, 09:34:43 AM
i wonder if mccloskey   will scream election was rigged if they lose those types seem to do it a lot look what happen with trump there is already people in ireland saying election will be rigged against le pen.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 15, 2022, 06:59:45 PM
I’d like to vote for the next candidate I hear do an interview who says “yeah, that’s a fair point, I think we got that wrong”.  But it just never happens, maybe Doug Beattie the exception. 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: knockitdown on April 15, 2022, 08:57:58 PM
Jim Wells is some clown, walking about rathfriland with a ladder at half 8 on a Friday nite putting up TUV posters. Anything to keep a woman out of a job
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on April 15, 2022, 09:45:58 PM
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangers?src=hashtag_click
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 16, 2022, 09:02:23 PM
There are quite a lot of independent candidates in this election, and I was trying to work out which are Independent Unionist, Independent Nationalist or others.  I obviously don't have local knowledge of every area, so if anyone can shed more light, please do

Independent Nationalists
Mid Ulster - Conor Rafferty.
Foyle   - Anne McCloskey.
West Tyrone - Paul Gallagher.

Independent Unionists
North Antrim - Laird Shingleton
North Down - Alex Easton
North Down - Ray McKimm
Lagan Valley - Gary Hynds
East Derry   - Claire Sugden
Upper Bann - Glenn Beattie


Others
North Belfast - Stafford Ward
South Belfast- Elly Odhiambo
West Belfast - Gerard Burns
West Belfast - Declan Hill
West Belfast - Tony Mallon
Mid Ulster - Patrick Haughey
South Antrim - Andrew Moran
North Down - Chris Carter
South Down - Patrick Clarke
FST - Derek Blackhouse
FST - Emma DeSouza
East Derry - Niall Murphy
East Derry - Stephanie Quigley
East Derry   - Billy Stewart
Newry & Armagh - Gavin Malone
Strangford   - Ben King
West Tyrone - Barry Brown


Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 16, 2022, 09:06:24 PM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on April 16, 2022, 09:21:29 PM
Gavin Malone a Nationalist from Newry.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on April 16, 2022, 09:44:32 PM
Gavin Malone a Nationalist from Newry.

Topped the poll in Newry in the last local government elections, outpolling the combined vote of the two SDLP candidates and will poll heavily again in Newry. Will be a nuisance to both SF and SDLP, but unlikely to have sufficient votes in the rest of the constituency to be elected.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 16, 2022, 09:45:35 PM
I haven't counted Gavin Malone because he isn't standing as a Nationalist candidate.  He standing on a 'Man of the people's 'Save the Hospital ' 'Build the Park ticket. I've never heard him mention constitutional or identity issues.
McCloskey on the other hand was until very receive deputy leader of Aontú
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 16, 2022, 10:00:23 PM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...

What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 16, 2022, 10:03:24 PM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...

She was in sinn Féin a lifetime so we would have to assume safely enough she is nationalist
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2022, 10:19:12 PM
Quigley be very Good in East Derry, was in SDLP, so not sure what happened there.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 17, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
will eastwood be gone if sdlp do bad.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 17, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...

What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?

Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet.  :o
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on April 17, 2022, 10:10:33 AM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...

What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?

Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet.  :o

She seems very self important
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 17, 2022, 10:38:46 AM
I haven't counted Gavin Malone because he isn't standing as a Nationalist candidate.  He standing on a 'Man of the people's 'Save the Hospital ' 'Build the Park ticket. I've never heard him mention constitutional or identity issues.
McCloskey on the other hand was until very receive deputy leader of Aontú
He’d definitely be a nationalist, he’ll get a lot of the hardline republican vote around Newry. Seems a decent fella too in fairness
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on April 17, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
will eastwood be gone if sdlp do bad.

Should have been gone long ago.. Clean useless, used the mother and baby homes enquiry findings down south as reason to attack Sinn Fein over stuff in the North, classless person.

Sooner Claire Hannah gets made leader the better, be a party worth voting for again
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 17, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
Fully agree with this. Hanna Mallon and O'Toole are very good. Eastwood useless. SF this and SF that - they will go nowhere with him.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 17, 2022, 11:53:28 AM
Hard to know if independents will make any impact apart from Sugden and Easton?

Any others?

But could take votes away from the maon parties to make a difference in them not getting the fifth seat.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: drillsergeant on April 17, 2022, 02:34:48 PM
Hard to know if independents will make any impact apart from Sugden and Easton?

Any others?

But could take votes away from the maon parties to make a difference in them not getting the fifth seat.

A lot of momentum behind the Easton campaign in North Down, But would he return to the DUP if they ended on equal seats with SF?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 17, 2022, 10:48:27 PM
Backhouse in FST seems to have mainly Nationalist subscribers on the EONI website. https://www.eoni.org.uk/getmedia/ff10dbab-957d-458c-b8cf-f836a1b270ac/Statement-of-Person-Nominated-Fermanagh-and-South-Tyrone
However from his Twitter feed @backhouse_derek he is an anti-mask pro-Trump South African preacher who thinks the war in Ukraine is faked as Zelensky once appeared on a show on Netflix and who doesn’t understand percentages. He is shocked that more people who are vaccinated have died than unvaccinated despite there being more people vaccinated.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 17, 2022, 11:05:10 PM
I think desouza is nationalist.

Not sure Mccloskey should count as nationalist...

What is she standing for? What issues? Does anyone know?

Distressed sheep according to her pinned tweet.  :o

She seems very self important
I just looked at her website. She seems to be very pro good things and anti bad things in a nice woolly cost free way.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 19, 2022, 07:28:28 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: nrico2006 on April 19, 2022, 07:45:19 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?

He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal.  He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago.  Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: sensethetone on April 19, 2022, 11:10:47 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?

He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal.  He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago.  Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.

Think he's trying to save Greencastle from the gold mine as part of his campaign.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 21, 2022, 09:13:56 AM
The TUV and DUP fail in their request to get postal ballots reopened for the Assembly Elections due to Rangers fans travelling to a game in Europe, I kid you not....

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
 ;D

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 21, 2022, 10:12:45 AM
When I heard this first, I thought it was a wind up.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: thewobbler on April 21, 2022, 10:28:55 AM
When I heard this first, I thought it was a wind up.

Their entire role in this life, when not busy trying to stomp on catholic heads, is to wind things up.

And people will always vote for this.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 21, 2022, 10:29:33 AM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?

He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal.  He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago.  Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.

He is a councilor in Strabane and Derry and has shook things up a bit. He's definitely getting a lot of support on the ground. Sinn Fein reckon he'll do them no harm. I think he'll take some first pref votes but the transfers will go to SF.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 21, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?

He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal.  He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago.  Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.

Who or what is the Strabanimal?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: the_daddy on April 21, 2022, 12:55:52 PM
Any Tyrone people on here know who Paul Gags Gallagher is standing in West Tyrone?.  Is he a disident republican candidate or what is the craic with him?

He comes from a prominent family in Strabane that includes both senior IRSP member Willie Gallagher as well as the Strabanimal.  He was an IRSP candidate before but started running independently a few years ago.  Seems to get things done for people in the area and is well respected.

Who or what is the Strabanimal?
The poundshop Conor McGregor.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: smelmoth on April 21, 2022, 01:22:15 PM
Saw a group of cultural attachés out collecting pallets for the bonfire today. Is it a bit early for that or are some post election events already in the planning?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 21, 2022, 01:52:49 PM
I thought it was never too early...

Though there may be some MON effigies if SF get top party...
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 21, 2022, 10:44:58 PM
so does it look like johnson is going to install a hardborder in ireland to bring in chaos to distract people
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 21, 2022, 11:06:17 PM
Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability.  I’ve said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 22, 2022, 02:18:36 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 22, 2022, 08:10:19 AM
The gp situation is much worse in Scotland than it is here. I don’t think the gp thing is specific to here.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 22, 2022, 08:33:04 AM
Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability.  I’ve said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
whats this one?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: haranguerer on April 22, 2022, 09:12:51 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.

Why don't you run?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 22, 2022, 09:25:22 AM
if he is running as independent but has very strong connections to the irsp does that means hes an irsp proxy did he drop  the irsp from his campaign to get more votes from moderates maybe.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: smelmoth on April 22, 2022, 09:25:35 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.

Just a thought but might resourcing not be an issue? A dentist can just refuse to take on a NHS patient and stick to their private customers. You wouldn’t want GPS to go that route would you?

How about asking your candidates what they would do for healthcare provision across NI as opposed to just their own area. We could have a much better Heath system for the same money if was truly organised across NI and local squabbles were parked. Not to say we don’t also need more money/resources.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 22, 2022, 09:31:47 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone.  A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry.  He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry,  he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins.  If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected,  If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat.   If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 22, 2022, 09:35:02 AM
if he is running as independent but has very strong connections to the irsp does that means hes an irsp proxy did he drop the drop the irsp from his campaign to get more votes from moderates maybe.

Not sure IF he became a MLA but his work as a Councillor has been very broad and fixing the general items on the ground. People in Strabane (like me) have massive issues with D and S council and their treatment of Strabane as a whole.
He has gone in and asked awkward questions of council and not towed the line as he has no party loyalty.

For example Strabane pays the highest rates in the north, we've no public park, roads are rubbish and services in general are s***e.

https://www.finance-ni.gov.uk/articles/poundages-2021-2022

His manifesto is broadly similar to what he is doing at council.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 22, 2022, 10:03:10 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone.  A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry.  He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry,  he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins.  If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected,  If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat.   If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Harold Disgracey on April 22, 2022, 11:40:52 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone.  A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry.  He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry,  he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins.  If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected,  If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat.   If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.

There is a very real danger of Malone splitting the vote and handing a second seat to unionists. How popular would he be if this happens?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 22, 2022, 11:45:01 AM
A potential shock is on the cards in Newry and Armagh, Lots of people that I have spoken to are going to vote for Independent candidate Gavin Malone.  A lot of people are writing him off saying that he won't get any votes outside of Newry.  He doesn't actually need that many votes outside of Newry,  he just needs more first preferences than Newry SF candidate Liz Kimmins.  If he can stay above Kimmins, then he will almost certainly be elected,  If she is eliminated her transfers will be from Newry people which should boost Malone above Alliance and the UUP for the final seat.   If he doesn't stay above Kimmins then he's out.
Yeah I said he could do damage round Newry, very popular in the town.

There is a very real danger of Malone splitting the vote and handing a second seat to unionists. How popular would he be if this happens?
Can’t see it. It’ll be Irwin, Boylann, Murphy, McNulty then either Kimmins or Malone.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 22, 2022, 12:04:15 PM
Another scandal, this time with DAERA vets and once again no accountability.  I’ve said it many times, Stormont are a bunch of amateurs.
whats this one?
Whistleblower vet called out the system for not recording animal movements, but she was ignored and harassed.  Tribunal found in her favour but her boss was nevertheless promoted to deputy chief vet, and the chief vet was found to have given evidence which was not candid. Just like RHI, civil servants getting promoted no matter how incompetent.  Sam McBride asking all the right questions again.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 23, 2022, 11:20:38 AM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.

Just a thought but might resourcing not be an issue? A dentist can just refuse to take on a NHS patient and stick to their private customers. You wouldn’t want GPS to go that route would you?

How about asking your candidates what they would do for healthcare provision across NI as opposed to just their own area. We could have a much better Heath system for the same money if was truly organised across NI and local squabbles were parked. Not to say we don’t also need more money/resources.

yes, you should pay for healthcare if you can afford it  ::)

unless you value money over your health that is

neverneverland will just vote the same puppets regardless

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 23, 2022, 03:12:29 PM
But what do you expect, out of the no of people called at my door, am more qualified than them work wise by a country Mile, so if we gona vote then in, can we expect no less than. A place run like a mess. How no one addressed the f**k up set up of the doctors current call at 8:30 for a appointment is a joke. Been trying to get a appointment from middle of last week, always booked out and u can't book for a date later in the week. My pet cat gets better f**king care at the vets. And the dentists are seeing people so Doctors have no Excuse.

Doctors are seeing people too. What makes you think that they aren't?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 01:49:30 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 24, 2022, 08:23:58 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 24, 2022, 10:27:53 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 24, 2022, 11:57:06 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.

What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.

Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: nrico2006 on April 24, 2022, 12:00:23 PM
Dentists have been getting it handy throughout the pandemic, don't think my place is even taking regular check-ups now.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 24, 2022, 12:05:03 PM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.

What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.

Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
My issue is priorities. Surely a better system rather than this if your a lucky caller you get an appointment. If not you try again in the morning. There should be a system where all problems are recorded and dealt with on a priority basis.
You could be calling for weeks and not get an appointment. Then someone else could call and get in on first call. That system is broke.
On an aside the swimming lessons for kids are done the same way and it’s a joke of a system. Record people’s interest. If they don’t get in this time, then they get priority next time. Rather than the current system of continuously having to start from scratch and it’s a case of being lucky. 😡
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 03:49:08 PM
Previous we had 2 full time doctors, 1 part time, you could book a appointment within 3/4 days, and they saw you. Now they got 8 Doctors more than half 2/3 days a week. Only maybe 3 full time. Previous you could book a appointment within a few days, now you can't do this, that's not right.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 24, 2022, 04:16:54 PM
Previous we had 2 full time doctors, 1 part time, you could book a appointment within 3/4 days, and they saw you. Now they got 8 Doctors more than half 2/3 days a week. Only maybe 3 full time. Previous you could book a appointment within a few days, now you can't do this, that's not right.

Why do you think that is the case? How would you fix it?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on April 24, 2022, 04:40:45 PM
Back to the way it was. They way its currently set up, pushes more people to go to A&E to be seen for minor stuff putting more pressure on the Hospitals
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 24, 2022, 05:36:52 PM
Back to the way it was. They way its currently set up, pushes more people to go to A&E to be seen for minor stuff putting more pressure on the Hospitals

So waiting 6 weeks for an appointment? That's before the huge increase in demand.
Doctors will deal with less people in a day if they go back to the old way.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Last Man on April 24, 2022, 09:47:49 PM
If you are lucky enough to have a good medical insurance plan through your employer or perhaps can afford your own, you won’t have any problem getting to see many of the same G.P.s who appear to be off limits to the ordinary Joe. The NHS in its current form is holed below the waterline and can no longer meet our needs in fact it has presided over a very concerning  decline in population health in the last 50 years.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 25, 2022, 10:26:48 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.

What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.

Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
More gps, more staff in hospitals? (Long term, simplistic solution I know, but I’m not claiming to be the expert lol) Honestly wouldnt mind a £20 fee to stop people going to sit in a&e with feck all wrong with them.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 25, 2022, 10:27:56 AM
Cause I haven't been fit to get a appointment in 2 weeks and still to get one, it's a total shit show. Ring every morning, booked out. They no excuse for keeping with the current set up.

Do you ever think it's booked out with people who are seeing the doctor?
Still nowhere near good enough is it? Which is the whole point.

What's the answer? Doctors are dealing with more people now in a day than before covid. A typical day is 15 in the morning and 15 in the afternoon, plus maybe 4 or 5 face to face late on. Before covid it was 12 and 12, than that was it.

Excessive waiting lists in hospitals has put an unprecedented amount of demand on primary care and they are doing the best they physically can, regardless of what Stephen Nolan says.
More gps, more staff in hospitals? (Long term, simplistic solution I know, but I’m not claiming to be the expert lol) Honestly wouldnt mind a £20 fee to stop people going to sit in a&e with feck all wrong with them.

Plus prescriptions should be means tested. They should not be free.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on April 25, 2022, 11:02:32 AM
Disgraceful what this lady has had to go through combined with a massive payout courtesy of the taxpayer which could all have been avoided.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-61212237

Money spunked up the wall and once again no one will be held to account.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2022, 11:14:04 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trileacman on April 25, 2022, 06:30:34 PM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd

All services aren't available in every hospitable. Good luck getting a neuro consultation or complicated ortho surgery in SWAH.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trileacman on April 25, 2022, 06:33:55 PM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd

Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 25, 2022, 09:38:56 PM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 26, 2022, 12:11:59 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd

All services aren't available in every hospitable. Good luck getting a neuro consultation or complicated ortho surgery in SWAH.

No but they're available in every Trust which is unnecessary and his point stands.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 26, 2022, 08:48:40 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd

Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.

It is not cruel. It will increase the chances of survival by cutting waiting times which will improve outcomes. I understand that it would be better to have all the treatments provided next door to where you live but that just isn't viable.
To clarify I meant having each service provided by every trust. 1 trust. Then specialists centres all across NI not centralised in Belfast. Sick ppl in Belfast might have to travel to Derry for specialist care and that is something we're all going to have to sign up to.
 

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 26, 2022, 09:00:25 AM
Is there less DUP posters about your areas than normal?

I didn't see any around my nearest, quaint little village which isn't as loyal as it was 10 years ago, but they'd normally have them up around the local PS which acts as a polling station but nada and I think I saw two for Weir in the staunch little village of Greyabbey and it would normally be festooned with them...

Wondering if the financial wheels are coming off the DUP!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 26, 2022, 09:01:20 AM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.

May as well wait till the Friday given the PR-STV system.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2022, 09:06:03 AM
Is there less DUP posters about your areas than normal?

I didn't see any around my nearest, quaint little village which isn't as loyal as it was 10 years ago, but they'd normally have them up around the local PS which acts as a polling station but nada and I think I saw two for Weir in the staunch little village of Greyabbey and it would normally be festooned with them...

Wondering if the financial wheels are coming off the DUP!

Definitely. For me it looks like there are plenty in the areas they're strong in. e.g. if you start driving through Comber or Ards there are plenty but south belfast there aren't that many and they are only in specific parts of south belfast - e.g. milltown / shaws bridge area and a bit on the embankment. It looks like they are just reminding people in the areas that vote for them.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2022, 09:29:04 AM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.

May as well wait till the Friday given the PR-STV system.

Probably start the next morning I'd say. Gather them all to the count centres overnight.

Regarding posters - they must be costly to make? Maybe they can be used again if same people standing etc. but still it all adds up.

Do people get paid for putting them up or just party helpers?

Funny thing is when half of them goes up, the wind blows them around and the info. can't be seen, which is ironic, as they're up for PR. You'd think they'd at least put them up right and not blow around.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 26, 2022, 09:39:50 AM
We need one health trust with regional care centres. If you have Cancer you go to the Cancer specialists hospital say Craigavon, For Ortho it is Altnagelvin say, For Neuro, the Royal etc. Having all services in every hospital is crazy. This means closing departments in certain hospitals. Families need to take on more responsibility and get patients discharged. If they can't go to a family then into a home and the family invoiced. Bed blocking in the health service is a problem.
More nurses need trained. we need to get more nurses into full time contracts and cut out the expensive agency workers. In the short term this means recruiting from abroad.
Some simple solutions but the CS is fighting this at every point. They need P45'd

Also centralising cancer services given how common and debilitating it is across the population would be a f**king disaster. Sending the elderly and infirm from Fermanagh and West Tyrone the length of the province to receive basic healthcare is a cruel suggestion.

It is not cruel. It will increase the chances of survival by cutting waiting times which will improve outcomes. I understand that it would be better to have all the treatments provided next door to where you live but that just isn't viable.
To clarify I meant having each service provided by every trust. 1 trust. Then specialists centres all across NI not centralised in Belfast. Sick ppl in Belfast might have to travel to Derry for specialist care and that is something we're all going to have to sign up to.
Don't know if that is realistic for everyone!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: bogball88 on April 26, 2022, 09:41:56 AM
Are they waiting to the friday after to start counting or will they start as soon as its over.
Correct. Verficiation of unused votes will happen on Thursday night, but the first counting of valid votes cast won't happen until Friday morning
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: bogball88 on April 26, 2022, 09:43:35 AM
Re DUP posters-in Lisburn I notice they have reused posters from previous years. Jeffrey Donaldson look about 15 years younger with a curtains haircut  ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on April 26, 2022, 10:23:26 AM
Regarding posters - they must be costly to make? Maybe they can be used again if same people standing etc. but still it all adds up.

Do people get paid for putting them up or just party helpers?

Funny thing is when half of them goes up, the wind blows them around and the info. can't be seen, which is ironic, as they're up for PR. You'd think they'd at least put them up right and not blow around.
Unionists seem to be very big into their posters, (which is understandable given their penchant for climbing lampposts and attaching things to them) so I’d say plenty of volunteers willing to help out. I drove from Portadown to Lurgan and the closer you got to Craigavon the more Unionists posters I saw. Even saw the TUV weasel’s wee face at the m1 roundabout at Lurgan. It’s funny how they are able to erect their posters in what are inherently “nationalist” areas (which to be fair they should be) but SF, SDLP and alliance are getting dogs abuse, assaulted and having their material attacked and destroyed.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 10:48:22 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:05:09 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.

I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:10:35 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.

I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.

Yeah whats good for the goose......
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 11:31:46 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.

I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.

Yeah whats good for the goose......

lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 11:48:58 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.

I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.

Yeah whats good for the goose......

lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!

Not at all, I am saying Shinners were at this shit last election-FACT!!!! It was embarrassing tbh. Take your oil
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 26, 2022, 11:49:41 AM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

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Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the generla election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

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It was literally on the radio  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on April 26, 2022, 12:15:05 PM
Just catching up on Colum Eastwood's interview on yesterdays Talkback. General gist of the one interaction where Colum brought up the subject of their recent most election performance, then regretted doing so and accused to host of being the one who brought up the subject:

Colum: If you look at the last election, people voted for us in huge numbers
William: When was that?
Colum: It was...it was 2019 in the General Election.
William: In the local election in 2019 the SDLP got the lowest number of votes in the party's history and you lost seats?
Colum: Well we....we..eh...we did well. Then in the general election we got a huge result
William: But in the general election, other partties stood aside to help you in a number of constituencies. Would you not accept that you got a bit of help? Then you had the EU elections, and you finished in fourth, you're not doing well as a party are you?
Colum: Do you want to talk about previous elections or do you want to talk about the one we're about to have?

 ::)

Isn't that the election SF had the whatsapp group going around asking people to vote Alliance to keep SDLP out.

I have no idea. Hard to comment, or indeed verify, unsubstantiated claims like that. I do know it's the election Colum was referring to when he just tried to pretend that others standing aside to aid them in certain constituencies had absolutely nothing to do with their increase in votes. I also know that in yesterday's interview, Colum refused to encourage SDLP voters to transfer to SF, but had no problem telling how he personally transferred to the UUP last time.

Yeah whats "

lol so you're backtracking on the relevance of your whatsapp tale. Well that didn't take long!!

Not at all, I am saying Shinners were at this shit last election-FACT!!!! It was embarrassing tbh. Take your oil

Well sure if you say so, it must be true. You're as impartial as they come. And sure if it's "good for the goose..." for Colum to not advise transferring to SF, then you are backtracking? If not, then what are you crying about?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on April 26, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
I’ve been dipping in and out of this.. But jeez Fear you’ve an awful obsession with Sinn Fein lol.. Who hurt you?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on April 26, 2022, 12:53:32 PM
I’ve been dipping in and out of this.. But jeez Fear you’ve an awful obsession with Sinn Fein lol.. Who hurt you?

Crooks, and I hate crooks, Im an ordinary man, nothing special nothing grand
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Truth hurts on April 26, 2022, 01:51:24 PM
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 26, 2022, 04:53:24 PM
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..

DUP shipping in the heavyweights to get behind yer one Forsythe after the lastest defections to the TUV down there, Arlene is wheeled out.

She must really despise Jim Wells.

That's one thing I agree with Arlene on then.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2022, 05:02:55 PM
Be interesting to see the DUP after the election, if they have a rough enough time.

Still the old factions battling away behind the scenes.  Once the election is over, it'll be interesting I think.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on April 26, 2022, 07:17:59 PM
Patrick Bown could poll well in South Down. But I still think it will be 2 sf, 2 sdlp and Harold McKee could get the Unionist vote..

DUP shipping in the heavyweights to get behind yer one Forsythe after the lastest defections to the TUV down there, Arlene is wheeled out.

She must really despise Jim Wells.

She had plenty of opportunities to cut him off at the knees when leader but didn't. She is full of shit.

That's one thing I agree with Arlene on then.

She had plenty of opportunities to cut him off at the knees when leader, but didn't. She's full of shit.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2022, 08:31:28 PM
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 26, 2022, 08:54:30 PM
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.

it's not a democratic vote, that's the whole point

the sick counties never has been and never will be a democracy
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2022, 08:56:33 PM
The DUP are going to lose their crown. I can't see the Brits tolerating a shutdown of Stormont because of a democratic result.

There is no guarantee on this at all. The hope would be they move down the pecking order to number three but that is highly unlikely. They could still retain number one - I don’t think they will but it wouldn’t be a shock if they did.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 27, 2022, 02:08:57 AM
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey  man to rile up right wingers.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 27, 2022, 05:37:25 AM
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey  man to rile up right wingers.
Have you been fraped by Olly?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 27, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
the tories can get away with ditching protocol what are sinn fein going to do and dissident republicans wont probably do anything either and if they did the tories will use them as an excuse to create a new bogey  man to rile up right wingers.

There's a sympathetic ear currently in Washington, the Brits would not only have to contend with a counter attack from the EU but a trade deal with the US kicked into the very long grass.

Boris is running out of road and is desperate to do anything to curry favour before the Tory's take a huge thumping in the local elections the same day as the Assembly elections here. That'll be enough to scare a lot of Tory MP's into handing in letters to their 1922 committee as they can't face going into a General Election with Boris at the helm.

I'm not even sure many in GB give a flying fudge for the NI Protocol, let alone here, all bluster IMO but he's a desperate man and nothing is beneath him.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 27, 2022, 08:29:51 AM
Johnson is using it as a stick to beat the EU with. He couldn't care less - it is just a means to try and further "negotiations" if you could call them that. His games IMO have given the likes of that LCC a voice and who knows where that will end.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 28, 2022, 11:12:53 PM
Jeffrey telling BBC The View that he didn’t pull down the Executive.  Right, ok then.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on April 29, 2022, 08:15:38 AM
Jeffrey telling BBC The View that he didn’t pull down the Executive.  Right, ok then.

And in the following breathe telling Carruthers that he showed decisive leadership by actually pulling down the Executive.

Neither of the two Unionist commentators after it felt he or the DUP were in a good position coming into the election and could lose votes to both the DUP and the UUP..

Either way Jeffrey will sulk off back to London with the more high brow clientele there.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 29, 2022, 08:26:43 AM
DUP are floundering but I think they will gain votes next week as some Unionist voters take last minute cold feet at the prospect of SF winning, and they’ll transfer well from the TUV, so it won’t be a wipeout for them.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 29, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
DUP are floundering but I think they will gain votes next week as some Unionist voters take last minute cold feet at the prospect of SF winning, and they’ll transfer well from the TUV, so it won’t be a wipeout for them.

I agree.  I think they'll get enough transfers for the TUV and the UUP to a certain extent to keep their 4th and 5 th seats in marginal areas.

Be interesting to see how they do in south Down, and Foyle and Strangford.

Ironically enough for alk the years the were saying vote DUP to keep a,SF fm out, this is actually the year where this could really be true. 

Conversely not as much talk feom the nationalist side regarding a first nationalist fm - which is significant in itself and shows how much things have changed.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 09:33:12 AM
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn’t improving. Doesn’t look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn’t disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 09:43:37 AM
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn’t improving. Doesn’t look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn’t disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.
Be interesting to see what way those Alliance voters who transfer nationalist would vote in a border poll. If you’re getting most of them voting in favour you’re flying. Out of interest, if 55% of Alliance transfer Nationalist and 18% transfer Unionist, where are the rest going?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:04:31 AM
The rest are going to greens etc or to no-one. The greens also transfer heavily in Favour of nationalist parties 40%- 18% unionist
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on April 29, 2022, 10:06:52 AM
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:33:50 AM
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??

SF voters are the most likely to transfer to no-one at 17% which is crazy.

More stats here

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/sinn-fein-remain-on-course-to-land-first-minister-position-in-latest-lucidtalk-poll-41598340.html
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:38:35 AM
These results also look more believable than the Liverpool university toilet paper poll which had at the breakdown people voting TUV 1 and SF 2 among other ludicrous findings.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 10:38:56 AM
Don't knows???
Does anyone know what percentage of actual votes only go to 1 Party with no preferences for anyone else??

SF voters are the most likely to transfer to no-one at 17% which is crazy.

More stats here

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-assembly-election-2022/sinn-fein-remain-on-course-to-land-first-minister-position-in-latest-lucidtalk-poll-41598340.html
Daft, always say you should vote right down the ballot sheet as many as you can. Will probably give 4th preference to Malone, then either Alliance or McNulty.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 10:46:07 AM
Yeah my objective is usually to vote for who I want to and then make sure the  TUV and DUP get nothing from me and everyone else is prioritised over them.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:53:15 AM
STV is the vote until you boke method
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: ardtole on April 29, 2022, 10:59:08 AM
New lucid talk poll results out. SDLP vote just isn’t improving. Doesn’t look great for nationalism at around 36-40% hoping for a border poll. The most interesting stat is the second preference votes of Alliance voters which are overwhelming in favour of nationalist parties about 55% to 18% unionist. So as mentioned before the alliance surge certainly Isn’t disillusioned Unionists but rather those from the nationalist background and would help explain why despite 20yrs of demographic change the nationalist vote has remained at around 40%.
Be interesting to see what way those Alliance voters who transfer nationalist would vote in a border poll. If you’re getting most of them voting in favour you’re flying. Out of interest, if 55% of Alliance transfer Nationalist and 18% transfer Unionist, where are the rest going?

Probably Green, followed by independent, maybe pbp. Id guess a signifigant section of alliance vote is to get away from tribal voting and out of principal dont transfer to the main parties. Only a guess though.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: screenexile on April 29, 2022, 11:47:58 AM

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 11:49:07 AM
That boy there is one of very few politicians who will really get his hands dirty. He was out in Ukraine and does a lot of work on the "ground".
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 29, 2022, 12:06:32 PM
They have a number of good candidates which makes it all the more bizarre that their vote is going nowhere.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 12:09:19 PM
It's their leader.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 29, 2022, 12:34:04 PM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on April 29, 2022, 01:27:11 PM



As what, a breadman?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Hereiam on April 29, 2022, 01:31:24 PM
Ian Og has been very quiet this election so far.....is he on his holidays
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
What's the point in him putting any effort in. He'll get in regardless.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 29, 2022, 01:53:13 PM
What's the point in him putting any effort in. He'll get in regardless.

He's not standing.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 01:59:20 PM
Oh yeah he's MP -sorry ignore me.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 29, 2022, 03:25:32 PM
will there be violence if dup lose enough seats
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 29, 2022, 03:41:59 PM
Reading on Twitter the Greens withdrawing support for their own candidate in mid Ulster?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on April 29, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
Reading on Twitter the Greens withdrawing support for their own candidate in mid Ulster?

Not make much difference.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Nanderson on April 29, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
will there be violence if dup lose enough seats
Yes i believe there will be
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on April 29, 2022, 03:56:16 PM
I don't think it's going to be an issue but I don't think there would be any more than is being stoked up at the minute.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2022, 10:31:04 AM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 30, 2022, 11:50:20 AM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?

https://vote-2012.proboards.com/board/174/northern-ireland-assembly-2022
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 30, 2022, 12:45:13 PM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?

https://vote-2012.proboards.com/board/174/northern-ireland-assembly-2022

Thanks, I'll have a look later on.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pjm on April 30, 2022, 01:31:43 PM
Anybody got a prediction by constituency for this election? Or a link to anybody who does these?

There are a series of reports by constituency on slugger
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on April 30, 2022, 01:32:53 PM
Lucid Talk have published where their poll indicates transfers will go.  Three quarters from TUV would go to DUP.  No surprise, I thought it might be higher, but that will get 2 or 3 DUP candidates over the line.
What’s really interesting is to see over 50% of Alliance transfers would go to SF and SDLP.  Alliance seem to have attracted a lot of nationalist voters.  A few years ago we would have dismissed them as posh Unionists.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 04:40:51 PM
STV is the vote until you boke method
This

Your vote will transfer whether you indicate a preference or not.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 04:53:36 PM
From my understanding….

Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.

If you care what your votes does go down the list.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: HiMucker on April 30, 2022, 05:12:10 PM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on April 30, 2022, 05:26:23 PM
From my understanding….

Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.

If you care what your votes does go down the list.
didnt know that at all. Thought if you didnt indicate a preference for a candidate your vote didnt go to them regardless
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 05:33:22 PM
It is why you see those strange stats like eg 5% of TUV votes going to PBP or SF to DUP during reallocation
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on April 30, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?

SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"

TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: dec on April 30, 2022, 06:40:43 PM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.

I always voted all the way down. In one of the European elections I took great pleasure in giving Ian Paisley my last preference.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: dec on April 30, 2022, 06:47:17 PM
From my understanding….

Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.

If you care what your votes does go down the list.


No that is incorrect

If only 4 out of 5100 express a preference then each of those 4 will be worth (4/5100) x 100 and only a very small fraction of a vote will transfer.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Feckitt on April 30, 2022, 07:17:16 PM
From my understanding….

Imagine a 5 seat constituency where SF manage their vote almost perfectly. The threshold is 5000 votes and the 3 candidates all get elected on the first vote.
Candidate 1 has 5000 votes. No excess to transfer.
Candidate 2 has 5100 votes, 100 to transfer. All 5100 votes are reviewed for next preference but 5496 votes did not express a preference beyond those first 3. 4 voters did, 2 to SDLP and 2 to Alliance. In this case the 100 votes will be allocate 50 to SDLP and 50 to Alliance.
Candidate 3 has 6000 votes. 1000 to transfer. Again the majority did not vote beyond the first 3, 2 people had SDLP at 4 and similarly 2 went with Alliance. However there was 1 family of 4 gave a 4th preference to the local TUV man. A personal vote, he came to the Fathers wake and he milked the cows when the daughter go married.
Those 1000 votes would go 500 to TUV, 250 to SDLP and 250 to Alliance.

If you care what your votes does go down the list.

This is totally incorrect.  It is nowhere near as complicated as that.

But his point is valid, in that you should vote until you boke.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on April 30, 2022, 07:32:50 PM
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trueblue1234 on April 30, 2022, 07:33:48 PM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?

SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"

TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!

SDLP shouldn’t be focusing on SF. It would be hard to look past a party that stopped Brexit and delivered Casement.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on April 30, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
are they waiting for friday morning like 8am  to count votes or will they start immediately after polling closes at 10pm
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2022, 12:21:15 AM
are they waiting for friday morning like 8am  to count votes or will they start immediately after polling closes at 10pm

They'll wait, sure their is not going to be an Executive anyway.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on May 01, 2022, 12:24:50 AM
Heard on radio Ulster on Friday that the last assembly elections they started counting 8am first results were declare at 17.15 and and done for 3am Saturday morning.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on May 01, 2022, 01:30:56 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?

SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"

TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!

Yeah, nationalists in north are going to put up with shower of Fianna Fail f**k pigs. Stoopers are a disgrace, up to their holes in those corrupt wankers. The wee croppy boy is a pathetic excuse of a politician. How's his promise to stop Brexit going? Lord Colum of Londonderry will soon join Lady Ritchie in the Establishment cesspit of the Lords. Time for real change indeed, and put those middle class wankers out of their misery.

CAPITAL LETTERS OR NOT!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 01, 2022, 01:35:04 AM
do we get exit polls at 10pm or is northern ireland assembly election too minor for that
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2022, 03:14:02 AM
Yeah, nationalists in north are going to put up with shower of Fianna Fail f**k pigs. Stoopers are a disgrace, up to their holes in those corrupt wankers. The wee croppy boy is a pathetic excuse of a politician. How's his promise to stop Brexit going? Lord Colum of Londonderry will soon join Lady Ritchie in the Establishment cesspit of the Lords. Time for real change indeed, and put those middle class wankers out of their misery.

CAPITAL LETTERS OR NOT!

That's mature analysis.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:48:13 AM
Unionists have always seemed to be a bit wiser to this than nationalists. Anyone plumping for one party is a tool
Yeah a lot of people don’t realise that you can vote all the way down I think.
Big time. We were chatting about this the other week in the house, and only my da and one of my older brothers knew to do or that you could vote more than 3. The rest all intelligent people but hadn't a clue about it. Same amongst the mates.. Might also go somewhat to explaining that stat about sf voters being the least likely to transfer. Should political reps be explaining that better?

SF don't want you to transfer. They don't want the scrutiny from another Nationalist party. Look through the posts here and all you see the SF mafia say is "all the SDLP do is attack us"

TIME FOR REAL CHANGE JUST NOT US WHO VE BEEN IN POWER FOR 15 YEARS!

LMAO way to miss the point yet again.

I have no problem with them incessantly attacking SF. It's their very own form of electoral self-harm so let them at it. From my perspective its just sheer bemusement that the penny, unbelievably, still hasn't dropped with them that nationalists want their political representatives to focus their attacks on political unionism (specifically the DUP); rather than on each other. SF worked that out for themselves years ago. They rarely ever as much as even mention the SDLP.

Remember a few months back when the Commission for Flags, Identity, Culture and Tradition released a report (as required under the terms of the NDNA) which cost £800k, and then not one of it's 44 proposals was allowed to be implemented because the DUP vetoed it? Remember? The DUP only agreed to release the report's recommendations at all on the sole condition that there would be no implementation plan. SF, meanwhile, were actively arguing for an implementation plan to be made and calling for the those who were opposed to it, to explain why. And guess what? The SDLP were straight of the the blocks trying to pin the blame jointly on "SF and the DUP". They can't seem to comprehend that people (apart from yourself Trailer) instantly see through such dishonest bull and can see when the SDLP are trying to treat people like they are stupid.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 01, 2022, 11:18:55 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 01, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking  normal people and business owners.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Last Man on May 01, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking  normal people and business owners.
Amen brother, with the current leadership they are a lame duck. SF have not impressed me either all the same. They are as easily led by cute hoot Civil Servants. Until they take these buckos on it’s more of the same shite.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 01, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

you are in dreamland chief, all of that change is impossible in the north

the vast, vast majority of the population there are happy with the status quo and that will never change no matter what party runs their glorified county council  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Wildweasel74 on May 01, 2022, 02:56:46 PM
But people aren't happy with status quo, political parties are too set on their own objectives that they can't Co operate on anything. What really has been progressed political over the past 20yrs.Some new roads in recent yrs but the Health service in a way worst state than 20yrs ago, while parties argue for a border poll which I think leave northerners worst off, or the union jack waving bridage who can't see reality of life, outside of marches, band parades, and trying to stick one to republicans
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 01, 2022, 07:46:05 PM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.

The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on May 01, 2022, 08:23:49 PM
Jeffery coming across like a Pratt on the leaders debate.. Long got a couple of tough questions there in the first part but answered them well.. Although sooner or later there opinion on Border Poll will have to come
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on May 01, 2022, 10:16:10 PM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.

The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.

Northern Ireland spends less than other parts of the UK on education (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59001739) and it has nowhere near enough university places for its students.
Who do you blame for this? SF have other priorities for spending and refuse to raise money by things like water charges.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 02, 2022, 09:33:52 AM
sdlp pissed off a lot of people with their hardcore vaccine passsport stance and im not just talking about conspiracy therorists i am talking  normal people and business owners.

Wise up
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 02, 2022, 09:39:45 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.

The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.

Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 02, 2022, 09:55:44 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.

The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.

Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?

You have google just like I do. Here's Deirdre Hargey's activity in the last year in Stormont:

Plenary Item Title   Item   Tabled As   Tabled Date   Plenary Date
Final Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/03/2022   22/03/2022
The Coronavirus Act 2020 (Extension of Provisions Related to Local Authority Meetings) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/03/2022   21/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Administration, Investment and Charges and Governance) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/03/2022   21/03/2022
Amendment 32 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 31 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 30 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 29 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 28 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 27 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 26 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 25 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 24 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 23 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 22 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 21 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 20 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 19 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 18 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 17 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 16 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 15 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 14 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 13 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 12 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 11 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 9 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Final Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/03/2022   15/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/03/2022   14/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Final Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   08/03/2022
Final Stage: Budget Bill (NIA Bill 55/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   08/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   07/03/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme   Oral Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   28/02/2022   01/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   24/02/2022   28/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   24/02/2022   28/02/2022
The Pensions Regulator (Employer Resources Test) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   23/02/2022   14/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Climate Change Governance and Reporting) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   23/02/2022   07/03/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Final Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   28/02/2022
Amendment 45 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 44 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 43 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 42 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 41 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 40 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 39 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 38 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 37 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 36 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 35 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 34 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 33 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 32 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 31 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 30 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 29 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 28 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 27 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 26 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 25 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 24 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 23 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 22 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 21 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Housing Executive Rent   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   16/02/2022   16/02/2022
Schedule 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Schedule 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Schedule 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   22/02/2022
The Gaming and Lotteries (Variation of Monetary Limits) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/02/2022   15/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Autism (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 31/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Schedule - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 16 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 15 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Integrated Education Bill (NIA Bill 23/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Final Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   25/01/2022   31/01/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Extension) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   21/01/2022   31/01/2022
Final Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   18/01/2022   24/01/2022
Double Jobbing for MPs and Members   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   18/01/2022   
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Second Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Accelerated Passage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Legislative Consent Motion: Pension Schemes (Conversion of Guaranteed Minimum Pensions) Bill   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/01/2022   24/01/2022
Keeping Schools Open and Safe   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   06/01/2022   10/01/2022
Improvements to Terms and Conditions for Voluntary and Community Sector Posts Supported directly through the Department for Communities   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   15/12/2021   17/01/2022
Housing Supply Strategy   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   08/12/2021   08/12/2021
Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   07/12/2021   14/12/2021
BIC Indigenous and Minority Languages Sectoral meeting   Oral Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   30/11/2021   07/12/2021
Second Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   30/11/2021   07/12/2021
Fairness for Caravan Owners   Public Petition   Minister for Communities   23/11/2021   06/12/2021
Accelerated Passage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   18/11/2021   07/12/2021
Support Packages for Consumers Facing Fuel Poverty   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   12/11/2021   
Second Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   09/11/2021   16/11/2021
The Local Government Auditor’s Draft Code of Audit Practice 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   21/10/2021   16/11/2021
Second Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   14/09/2021   27/09/2021
Award of Funding for Ormeau Road Concert   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   13/09/2021   
Energy Price Rises   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   09/09/2021   
Second Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   07/09/2021   13/09/2021
Guidance to Schools on COVID-19   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   06/09/2021   09/09/2021
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 02, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
But the list above not really he point, is it? You suggested the SDLP's attacks on SF are all about keeping them to account. So why is it they are generally more interested in "keeping to account" SF instead of the DUP, given that the DUP are fairly well accepted as the problem party? Why do they repeatedly, dishonestly attempt to apportion blame to SF in instances where the DUP, and the DUP alone, have been causing issues? Do you think people are too stupid to see what they are at? Are you too stupid to see what they are at?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 02, 2022, 10:18:58 AM
Opposition to the party who holds the Joint First Minister post and as a consequence helps set the agenda is normal in a functioning democracy. SF don't want scrutiny. They want a dictatorship.

Take the health service. Look at the waiting lists. Look at the absolute state of it. Do SF take responsibility? Do they shite.
Look at Education, look at housing, look at all these issues in the North, none have improved under SF and the DUP rule. Time for change alright.

lol its like something written by Colum Eastwood himself. All the ills must be laid at SFs door. Unless it's something that the DUP alone did, in which case blame gets shared with both them and SF. Laughably transparent.

The best of it is, they do it not as a noble attempt at keeping SF to account as you claim, but out of a ridiculously misguided attempt at electioneering, yet they still haven't figured out that constantly attacking SF isn't the best way of getting the SF transfers they so desperately need.

Ok, the floor is yours. What has SF done in this past Stormont mandate?

You have google just like I do. Here's Deirdre Hargey's activity in the last year in Stormont:

Plenary Item Title   Item   Tabled As   Tabled Date   Plenary Date
Final Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/03/2022   22/03/2022
The Coronavirus Act 2020 (Extension of Provisions Related to Local Authority Meetings) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/03/2022   21/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Administration, Investment and Charges and Governance) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/03/2022   21/03/2022
Amendment 32 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 31 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 30 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 29 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 28 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 27 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 26 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 25 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 24 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 23 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 22 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 21 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 20 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 19 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 18 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 17 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 16 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 15 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 14 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 13 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 12 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 11 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 9 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Period Products (Free Provision) Bill (NIA Bill 39/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/03/2022   15/03/2022
Final Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/03/2022   15/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/03/2022   14/03/2022
Amendment 10 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 8 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 7 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 6 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 5 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 4 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   03/03/2022   07/03/2022
Final Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   08/03/2022
Final Stage: Budget Bill (NIA Bill 55/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   08/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/03/2022   07/03/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme   Oral Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   28/02/2022   01/03/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   24/02/2022   28/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   24/02/2022   28/02/2022
The Pensions Regulator (Employer Resources Test) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   23/02/2022   14/03/2022
The Occupational Pension Schemes (Climate Change Governance and Reporting) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   23/02/2022   07/03/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc. (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Final Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   01/03/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   22/02/2022   28/02/2022
Amendment 45 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 44 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 43 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 42 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 41 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 40 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 39 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 38 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 37 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 36 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 35 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 34 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 33 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 32 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 31 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 30 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 29 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 28 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 27 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 26 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 25 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 24 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 23 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 22 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 21 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 3 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 2 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   17/02/2022   23/02/2022
Housing Executive Rent   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   16/02/2022   16/02/2022
Schedule 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Schedule 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Schedule 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Consideration Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   23/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   22/02/2022
The Gaming and Lotteries (Variation of Monetary Limits) Order (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   15/02/2022   
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/02/2022   15/02/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Autism (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 31/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Schedule - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 16 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 15 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 14 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 13 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 12 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 11 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 10 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 9 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 8 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 7 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 6 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 5 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   08/02/2022   15/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Integrated Education Bill (NIA Bill 23/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Final Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   01/02/2022   08/02/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   25/01/2022   31/01/2022
The draft Welfare Supplementary Payment (Extension) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2022   Motion   Minister for Communities   21/01/2022   31/01/2022
Final Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   18/01/2022   24/01/2022
Double Jobbing for MPs and Members   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   18/01/2022   
Amendment 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Amendment 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Energy Payment Support Scheme   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   13/01/2022   17/01/2022
Long Title - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 4 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 3 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 2 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Clause 1 - Consideration Stage: Charities Bill (NIA Bill 27/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   17/01/2022
Further Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Second Stage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Accelerated Passage: Welfare Supplementary Payments (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 50/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   11/01/2022   19/01/2022
Legislative Consent Motion: Pension Schemes (Conversion of Guaranteed Minimum Pensions) Bill   Motion   Minister for Communities   10/01/2022   24/01/2022
Keeping Schools Open and Safe   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   06/01/2022   10/01/2022
Improvements to Terms and Conditions for Voluntary and Community Sector Posts Supported directly through the Department for Communities   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   15/12/2021   17/01/2022
Housing Supply Strategy   Written Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   08/12/2021   08/12/2021
Consideration Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   07/12/2021   14/12/2021
BIC Indigenous and Minority Languages Sectoral meeting   Oral Ministerial Statement   Minister for Communities   30/11/2021   07/12/2021
Second Stage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   30/11/2021   07/12/2021
Fairness for Caravan Owners   Public Petition   Minister for Communities   23/11/2021   06/12/2021
Accelerated Passage: Social Security (Terminal Illness) Bill (NIA Bill 47/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   18/11/2021   07/12/2021
Support Packages for Consumers Facing Fuel Poverty   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   12/11/2021   
Second Stage: Support for Mortgage Interest etc (Security for Loans) Bill (NIA Bill 42/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   09/11/2021   16/11/2021
The Local Government Auditor’s Draft Code of Audit Practice 2021   Motion   Minister for Communities   21/10/2021   16/11/2021
Second Stage: Betting, Gaming, Lotteries and Amusements (Amendment) Bill (NIA Bill 36/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   14/09/2021   27/09/2021
Award of Funding for Ormeau Road Concert   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   13/09/2021   
Energy Price Rises   Urgent Oral Question   Minister for Communities   09/09/2021   
Second Stage: Private Tenancies Bill (NIA Bill 32/17-22)   Motion   Minister for Communities   07/09/2021   13/09/2021
Guidance to Schools on COVID-19   Motion   MLA - South Belfast   06/09/2021   09/09/2021

Proves my point perfectly.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Main Street on May 02, 2022, 04:37:49 PM
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
That's astonishing and even toxic. The simple solution is that the leading candidate at that stage should be elected despite not reaching the quota.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 03, 2022, 10:24:33 AM
I take your point about the fractional values and I will put my hands up if I am wrong but it is something that was flagged up recently by Richard Bullick as an anomaly where non transferable votes were actually transferred.
https://twitter.com/richardbullick1/status/1513857016531492871?s=21
That's astonishing and even toxic. The simple solution is that the leading candidate at that stage should be elected despite not reaching the quota.

Nicholas Whyte, who is a geek for these things, has said that's not the way it works thankfully.
People should still transfer down the ballot regardless though.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 03, 2022, 10:34:53 AM
https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/ (https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/)

A priest in Belfast(?) giving his opinion on the abortion debate and advising parishioners to vote accordingly.
Gets a round of applause, be interesting to see if this translates to votes for Aontú and the like. Though mass attenders are more likely to be prolife anyway.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on May 03, 2022, 10:47:51 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.

SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5

 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: nrico2006 on May 03, 2022, 11:04:23 AM
What is this with the Diane Forsythe video?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:07:31 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.

SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5

I would be really surprised if Alliance equal the DUP. (Your seat point is probably relevant because even if they do I'd guess less seats).
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on May 03, 2022, 11:09:29 AM
https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/ (https://m.facebook.com/DeclanAMcGuinness/videos/1131520247423357/)

A priest in Belfast(?) giving his opinion on the abortion debate and advising parishioners to vote accordingly.
Gets a round of applause, be interesting to see if this translates to votes for Aontú and the like. Though mass attenders are more likely to be prolife anyway.

Same happened in Portaferry this weekend I was told, must have been a letter from the Bishop of Down and Connor it seems..
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2022, 11:18:09 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.

SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5
Any figure for TUVUDA?
I'd imagine most of their transfers would in practice end up with DUPUDA candidates.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: yellowcard on May 03, 2022, 11:36:06 AM
The latest poll results have the Alliance Party neck and neck with the DUP which would be fairly seismic. Not too sure how this would translate in terms of overall seats though.

SF - 26.6
Alliance - 18.2
DUP - 18.2
UUP - 12.1
SDLP - 10.5

I would be really surprised if Alliance equal the DUP. (Your seat point is probably relevant because even if they do I'd guess less seats).

Well the numbers don't often lie. What is clear is that the DUP have made no ground during the election campaign, I think plenty of people just want to give them a bloody nose. 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 11:38:33 AM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!

I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 11:43:29 AM
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn’t get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won’t vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Estimator on May 03, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!

I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.

From LucidTalk's home page:

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 12:00:52 PM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!

I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.

From LucidTalk's home page:

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%
That is really good going!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 03, 2022, 12:04:48 PM
The polls do sadly or we wouldn't have Brexit!

I won't believe the numbers until Friday tbh. Polls have seemed very inaccurate this last number of years for elections.

From LucidTalk's home page:

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Westminster Election 2019 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland Assembly Election 2017 results to within 1%

LT forecast the Northern Ireland EU Referendum 2016 result to within 1%

Oh  :o. Well that's good then!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 12:24:36 PM
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn’t get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won’t vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.

Im not sure how we will do in Derry, small team, Declan McGuinness(martins brother) working hard for Doyle but McCloskey is back in as independent and I think she could cause confusion. Anyhow it is an honorable fight and thats good enough for me,
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: dec on May 03, 2022, 02:02:39 PM
Aontu will probably do rightly as the abortion thing is a big issue for a lot especially older people but it doesn’t get mentioned enough. Always have this niggly feeling that nationalists who are sick of the status quo won’t vote sf but unionists who are sick of it will still vote dup to keep the shinners out. Polls seem to be looking good though. Perfect scenario is Alliance beating the DUP and becoming the second largest party.

Even if Alliance finish ahead of DUP in votes, transfers from TUV candidates who don't get elected will probably give the DUP more seats than Alliance.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: ardtole on May 03, 2022, 02:09:45 PM
I would have thought Alliance would be very transfer friendly.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 03:31:32 PM
I would have thought Alliance would be very transfer friendly.
Yeah they would be but then most TUV voters will give second choice to DUP you’d imagine. Can see plenty TUV candidates doing rightly but just falling short of getting in. Majority of SF/SDLP and UUP voters will have Alliance somewhere on their list
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 03, 2022, 06:12:49 PM
Turns out that in 2020, SF's Declan Kearney wrote a letter to Saoradh, political wing of the 'New IRA' who murdered Lyra McKee, trying to encourage them to focus on a peaceful route to Irish Unity. Of course the letter only made it to the public domain days out from an election and at the Leaders Debate, the Unionist parties, along with the SDLP rounded on SF for speaking to dissidents.

Colum Eastwood tried to get extra political mileage out of this cynical bull in the following day or two - the same Colum Eastwood who in 2016 was arguing that it is important to talk to dissidents to talk them out of violence. Utter cynicism and hypocrisy.

Then Lyra's sister released a statement (below) yesterday in which she defended SF for the letter and criticised the "reprehensible" motivations of those attacking them for it. Needless to say, Colum has gone quiet on the story since.

Nobody told Neale Richmond about the statement though, who was tweeting today about how "extremely worrying" it is to hear of SFs letter.

Does make you wonder if he hasn't seen Lyra's statement calling out such abuse if her sisters name, or, is it the case that he did see it, but still thinks it's worth ignoring if it let's him get a dig at SF a few days before an election.


Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 09:09:54 PM
Acht na Gaeilge anois lol.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 03, 2022, 09:23:22 PM
Turns out that in 2020, SF's Declan Kearney wrote a letter to Saoradh, political wing of the 'New IRA' who murdered Lyra McKee, trying to encourage them to focus on a peaceful route to Irish Unity. Of course the letter only made it to the public domain days out from an election and at the Leaders Debate, the Unionist parties, along with the SDLP rounded on SF for speaking to dissidents.

Colum Eastwood tried to get extra political mileage out of this cynical bull in the following day or two - the same Colum Eastwood who in 2016 was arguing that it is important to talk to dissidents to talk them out of violence. Utter cynicism and hypocrisy.

Then Lyra's sister released a statement (below) yesterday in which she defended SF for the letter and criticised the "reprehensible" motivations of those attacking them for it. Needless to say, Colum has gone quiet on the story since.

Nobody told Neale Richmond about the statement though, who was tweeting today about how "extremely worrying" it is to hear of SFs letter.

Does make you wonder if he hasn't seen Lyra's statement calling out such abuse if her sisters name, or, is it the case that he did see it, but still thinks it's worth ignoring if it let's him get a dig at SF a few days before an election.



Lowest of the low.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 10:01:35 PM
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on May 03, 2022, 10:11:01 PM
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest

Lol.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on May 03, 2022, 10:23:30 PM
Ffs Eastwood smashed that debate tonight if you are being honest

Him and Doug the winners for me - Doug went for Jeffery and drew blood.

Michelle done rightly only slipped on on public sector wages question IMO. Long didn’t really get much airtime, shouted over.

Jeffery was f**king clueless - fact checked by the presenter as he was talking crap
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on May 03, 2022, 10:37:54 PM
Is some food really 8-19% more expensive in Tesco, Sainsburys & Asda here compared to GB? 
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 03, 2022, 10:49:30 PM
donaldson had a nightmare i here
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: GJL on May 03, 2022, 11:09:11 PM
donaldson had a nightmare i here

Caught in the headlights. They will have a bloody nose come Saturday morning.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 03, 2022, 11:22:43 PM
donaldson had a nightmare i here

Aye lucidtalk done poll there, Eastwood won , Donaldson last
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 07:36:20 AM
Donaldson is turning out to be exactly what I thought poots would be. I can’t believe how bad a leader he is. (Unfortunately he will still get a pile of votes as he’s not “them ‘uns”.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 08:00:05 AM
Donaldson is turning out to be exactly what I thought poots would be. I can’t believe how bad a leader he is. (Unfortunately he will still get a pile of votes as he’s not “them ‘uns”.

A Machiavellian mind he certainly isn't, comes across very poorly when asked even the most basic of questions, promoted way beyond his ability, but was the obvious candidate as leader when you consider Sammy, Ian Og etc etc.

I sincerely hope they take a booting this weekend, but I've still a nagging doubt.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 08:08:16 AM
Anyone notice how TUV and Sinn Féin are using the exact same election slogan?!  ;D

"Vote for change". I hate how "change" has become a buzzword for politicians to run campaigns on, even (seemingly) by parties who are already in the executive!  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 08:09:33 AM
I have my doubts too. You drive through places like ards, east belfast, ballymena  etc and see the anti protocol stuff about. They've done enough fear mongering in key areas to pick up enough of a vote  :(

Same anywhere wrt change. The tories were running on a change policy despite being in government for 10+ years. People still fall for it!! (They changed plenty - just not for the better!!)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: 6th sam on May 04, 2022, 08:31:56 AM
Can’t say I’ve followed the election that closely but what concerns me is that loss of DUP votes to TUV may not have much negative impact on seats . TuV will get an increased vote but most will still be eliminated early and I imagine will transfer en masse to DUP. Similarly  Ulster unionists voters though attracted by Beattie’s middle ground ethos are still unionists and may favour transferring to DUP.  DUP vote may also hold up ok as their scaremongering, “protocol and keep SF out “ , approach will result in an increased unionist turnout , favouring the unionist party most likely to keep SF out  and optimising internal unionist transferring. There remains nationalist and middle ground apathy - despite demographic changes , the nationalist vote has not really increased as much as expected in recent years.
I hope DUP get a beating but It ain’t over yet.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 08:51:15 AM
Yeah I would still expect SF to be number 1 party at the end of this but I would be very surprised were DUP anything other than number 2 and probably by a decent enough margin.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 08:54:44 AM
None of this will make a difference really except symbolically
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:06:48 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

You would be very worried about here health if close to her, did she say recently she had some condition, MON flat out dieting by looks of it, mad weight loss
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 09:26:44 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 04, 2022, 09:28:49 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

You would be very worried about here health if close to her, did she say recently she had some condition, MON flat out dieting by looks of it, mad weight loss

She has. She looks a lot healthier. Politics I don't think is a career that allows for a healthy lifestyle. Late nights. Endless meetings. Food on the go. No time for the gym. Fair play to her.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on May 04, 2022, 09:48:52 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can’t declare a UDI and secede from the Union.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 04, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can’t declare a UDI and secede from the Union.

This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rossfan on May 04, 2022, 10:49:54 AM
Alliance  comprises of unionists and nationalists and neither so presumably they will have to have a major party conference  or vote of the entire membership to decide on a position when/if S of S calls the referendum/plebiscite.
1 segment of their membership will likely decamp if they plump for yes or no.
Meanwhile back to the present.....
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on May 04, 2022, 11:14:37 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)

The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven’t weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.

Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.

There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn’t beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on May 04, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
Not every election is a border poll.
These are council elections. It is about how much rates you pay, what facilities are available and maybe what language your street signs are in. Councils can’t declare a UDI and secede from the Union.

This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
It is a glorified town council that could not be trusted to do more than empty the bins.
Alliance can pick a horse if and when the time comes but for now it is about making this place workable, whatever the potential future constitutional arrangements.
They can pick a side based on the arguments for and against, when the arguments are made.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 11:56:19 AM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 12:04:20 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.

Not to keep each other out, to be king ding. We all know they are splitting the money between them at community level for years-corruption
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: balladmaker on May 04, 2022, 12:04:51 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

Can't wait!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: imtommygunn on May 04, 2022, 12:08:09 PM
His latest tweet is great.

Get out on Friday and vote  ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:11:28 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP and the SDLP whilst having some good ministers in Stormont have a terrible leader.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:17:08 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.
I get what you’re saying, but the thick unionist that sort of shit appeals to will be thinking we can’t let SF be the biggest party or all those gaa jersey wearing terrorists will take over the place etc etc.

If by some miracle Alliance were to be the second largest party behind SF I wonder would they designate as Unionist and go in.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: general_lee on May 04, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
You say it like it’s a bad thing! Personally hope the DUP clean up.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: johnnycool on May 04, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.

the biggest issue facing Stormont is if the Alliance manage to take more or as many seats as the DUP.

That would mean a possible rewriting of the St Andrews agreement and all that goes with that.

If SF do manage to take more seats than the DUP and the DUP refuse to form an executive for whatever spurious reason(s) i.e. protocol then Lewis is in a sticky position but he's a slippy bollox and will use it as leverage against the EU who should tell him to fúck off.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Rois on May 04, 2022, 12:23:17 PM

This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I’m not going to vote for a party that won’t engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he’ll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 04, 2022, 12:23:56 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP and the SDLP whilst having some good ministers in Stormont have a terrible leader.

Fixed that for you.

Thanks but last time I checked I could construct my own sentences, sound anyhow
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 04, 2022, 12:30:51 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.

the biggest issue facing Stormont is if the Alliance manage to take more or as many seats as the DUP.

That would mean a possible rewriting of the St Andrews agreement and all that goes with that.

If SF do manage to take more seats than the DUP and the DUP refuse to form an executive for whatever spurious reason(s) i.e. protocol then Lewis is in a sticky position but he's a slippy bollox and will use it as leverage against the EU who should tell him to fúck off.

the north will do what they always do, vote for sectarianism and the status quo

that is what the vast majority there want so why be surprised when they reject change, it's obvious  ::)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2022, 12:32:15 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate
You say it like it’s a bad thing! Personally hope the DUP clean up.

Haha ;D
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Snapchap on May 04, 2022, 12:42:22 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.

Nothing to stop Alliance tactically designating as unionist and taking the DFM role if they somehow became second biggest party. Remember, the designated their MLAs as unionist for tactical reasons before, back in 2001.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Armagh18 on May 04, 2022, 12:46:08 PM
Jesus that was a pile of shite last night...It pains me to say it but don't be surprised that the DUP do better than expected.

The unionist voter will be at a crossroads at the ballot box tomorrow and will be deciding on the day, that's how much I think they are clueless.

Be interesting at my voting station to see how these TUV and DUP ones operate

I think your right Milltown, as Sam Mc Bride said the other morning a lot of unionists hate the DUP but hate SF more and will hold their noses and vote of wee Jeff.

A lot of nationalists arent fussed on SF but will vote them to get at DUP

This myth that voting SF/DUP to "keep the other out" needs banished once and for all. The executive/assembly needs cross community support to operate. SF need the DUP for stormont to function.
It is not a myth and you need only look at the DUP’s mantra and probably main selling point at this stage- they are the only party who can stop a SF first minister. A SF first minister would be seismic. I think the likes of Allister and Bryson would combust.

It absolutely is a myth! SF could win 80 seats and the DUP 5 and they still couldn't form an assembly or an executive without Unionism nominating a deputy.

Nothing to stop Alliance tactically designating as unionist and taking the DFM role if they somehow became second biggest party. Remember, the designated their MLAs as unionist for tactical reasons before, back in 2001.
That’d probably be the best thing that could happen. Naomi and Michelle would work well together imo with no bigots stuck in the way.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: WT4E on May 04, 2022, 12:54:49 PM
Whats the story with the Diane Forsythe thing?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: meatsy86 on May 04, 2022, 01:24:18 PM
Apparently there were a few compromising videos of her doppelganger partaking in some X Rated stuff doing the rounds. Obviously not her but clear to see the TUV election macihne was hard at work over the weekend.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Franko on May 04, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)

The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven’t weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.

Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.

There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn’t beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.

Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'

Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:09:32 PM

This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I’m not going to vote for a party that won’t engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he’ll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.

Exactly, I said this a few weeks ago.

Alliance can't keep going on playing a defender and an attacker - it must pick one and go with it.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)

The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven’t weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.

Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.

There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn’t beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.

Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'

Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon

Either I did or I didn’t say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was ‘stupid’. Be very clear that I did not. Don’t make things up.

What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.

Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.

Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 02:13:22 PM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: smelmoth on May 04, 2022, 02:13:56 PM

This isn't a council election.
I get that for now they can say we're ambivalent to the Union or UI. But at some point they need to pick because what we need to be doing is preparing for a UI in the next 10 years. That means decisions on health and infrastructure and Education etc will need to orientate towards Dublin and not London. So for now to a point, yes they can stay "neutral" if supporting the status quo is neutral. But long term they need to pick a horse.
I agree with this. Preparation is required for a future border poll, and I’m not going to vote for a party that won’t engage with the preparations. I said this to the candidate who called to my door (Eoin Tennyson in Upper Bann) - he’ll get a third or fourth pref but not a first.

Exactly, I said this a few weeks ago.

Alliance can't keep going on playing a defender and an attacker - it must pick one and go with it.

Can you set out the steps your preferred candidate has taken to persuade the people of NI and RoI to vote for a UI?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: weareros on May 04, 2022, 02:20:34 PM
Things would love to see:

Sinn Féin comfortably emerge as largest party
Alliance beat DUP into second (although when push comes to shove some of those TUV percentage points in polling will go back to DUP)
SDLP move up a few points on Eastwood winning both debates
The Nationalist vote exceeds the Unionist vote (as Irish News poll suggests it will)
The pro-Protocol vote comfortably beats the anti-Protocol vote and puts ERG, Frost, Boris, Rees Mogg, Hoey, Habib, Allister, Bryson, Donaldson, Merv, looney American preacher back in their box, if that is even possible.
As above pro-EU parties best pro-Brexit
Alliance transfers will be worth scrutinizing too - polls are suggesting those are skewing heavily nationalist/green. Voter base now only about 20% Unionist DNA.

All in all, will be an interesting weekend as results come through. Good luck to our fellow Gaels no matter what party you support.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
Things would love to see:

Sinn Féin comfortably emerge as largest party

likely

Quote from: weareros
Alliance beat DUP into second (although when push comes to shove some of those TUV percentage points in polling will go back to DUP)

not very likely


Quote from: weareros
SDLP move up a few points on Eastwood winning both debates

not very likely.

Quote from: weareros
The Nationalist vote exceeds the Unionist vote (as Irish News poll suggests it will)

Not likely. Unionism will have a small majority over nationalism, but for the last time.


Quote from: weareros
The pro-Protocol vote comfortably beats the anti-Protocol vote and puts ERG, Frost, Boris, Rees Mogg, Hoey, Habib, Allister, Bryson, Donaldson, Merv, looney American preacher back in their box, if that is even possible.
As above pro-EU parties best pro-Brexit

Pro protocol vote will be up, not that you will know that listening to Frost et al. or the Daily Mail.


Quote from: weareros
Alliance transfers will be worth scrutinizing too - polls are suggesting those are skewing heavily nationalist/green. Voter base now only about 20% Unionist DNA.

they will be on green side, to be sure
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on May 04, 2022, 02:58:05 PM
I’d like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution  etc etc.

It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved.  I don’t mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: balladmaker on May 04, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
I’d like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution  etc etc.

It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved.  I don’t mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.

Take a first stab at it there and we'll all weigh in afterwards  :)
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Sportacus on May 04, 2022, 03:38:58 PM
I’d like someone to publish what the A-Z of a United Ireland would look like. The economic case, funding, EU support, case studies of similar sized economies, provision/funding of public services, dealing with identity and how Unionists would be part of it and respected, anthem/flag/identity, the parliamentary arrangements, constitution  etc etc.

It needs to be published in black and white so it can be debated and improved.  I don’t mean a conference here and there for Republicans, I mean a proper piece of work laid out for all to see nationally and internationally.

Take a first stab at it there and we'll all weigh in afterwards  :)
How do these Go Fund Me pages work!
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 03:44:42 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!

Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...

If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Saffrongael on May 04, 2022, 03:46:15 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!

Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...

If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?

Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can’t all be funding
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on May 04, 2022, 03:59:54 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!

Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...

If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?

Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can’t all be funding

There is a fairly simple root cause which is staffing issues. Other regions have similar issues but it is much worse here. Who in their right mind would want to work in the NHS in the North. Our doctors and nurses who train else outside the six counties have little to attract them back esp when you hear the shit show that went on during that debate last night and the night before.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 04, 2022, 04:00:22 PM
The crap yesterday in that debate about the health service was nauseating!! Why not copy a country that does it well and implement (as best you can with the budget you have available) the damn thing!!

Not one of them has a fecking clue in how to run a bath never mind the shit show that is the NHS...

If people want a proper NHS they'll have to pay for it with raised taxes.. Its a small place, how da f**k does it take so long for the basics?

Health outcomes, waiting lists etc are much worse here than the rest of the UK so it can’t all be funding

No thats why they need to copy a similar size population and ask them how are they getting it right? If it is funding then we'll have to stump up what is required. if its poor management of funds then they need to remove the balloons that are looking after it.. Someone dying on a street in Newry waiting on a ambulance is wrong, someone dying on a bed in a waiting hall in the hospital is wrong
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:11:14 PM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.


and the same people will get voted in again
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:12:54 PM
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it  it
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:19:56 PM
tho it could have the opposite effect of  people saying we are not giving into terrorism
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Eire90 on May 04, 2022, 04:30:00 PM
Does multi seat stv voting  system make it only exciting about whos going to take the last one or two seats
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Franko on May 04, 2022, 04:55:39 PM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)

The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven’t weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.

Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.

There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn’t beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.

Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'

Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon

Either I did or I didn’t say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was ‘stupid’. Be very clear that I did not. Don’t make things up.

What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.

Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.

Decent bit of reversing.

However, the position you've now reversed into doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

Plenty of people elect politicians based on a mixture of personality and policy.  IMO, to take their professed views on a lot of issues into account is a healthy thing - even if some of these bear no relevance to the activities they will undertake in the chamber.  In the days when parties control the narrative more than ever, it can be the only differentiator.

Some people consider the constitutional question to be the biggest question (personally, I don't, but I would rank it higher than swimming pools ::)).

Some people think that the solutions to the problems in many of those other areas will flow from this.

For many, it's not possible to consider this dispassionately, due to family history / grief etc etc.

You may not agree with that, but the way to change their mind is certainly not to run around with your nose in the air calling them stupid.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: trailer on May 04, 2022, 04:58:54 PM
Eastwood definitely the best performer. Skewed Jeffrey at every chance. Thought Michelle was good as well. Assured and has definitely been for coaching around her delivery. Slower and assured.
Doug doesn't perform well in these formal setups. He's the bloke next door. Looks like he put a suit on for the niece's wedding.
Jeffrey sucked up the airtime quite cleverly but was all over the shop. Unionist voters surely have to see that?
Naomi talks sense but sitting on the fence in regards to a UI isn't a tenable position in the long term. She's also got into an awful size.

I think it is for the Alliance.

If and when a border poll is in place, they just need to sit back and say they'll accept the will of the majority and work within any structure that's decided on.

No need to alienate any side of your voting base and then have a clean slate post border poll.
100%

Yiz must be joking. A border poll, when it happens, will be the most seismic political event of our lifetimes. Nobody will be able to escape partaking in the debate once the referendum is called - least of all a political party. I don't think it's credible to think that a party will willingly sideline itself from involvement in the hottest political event in it's existence. If it is foolish enough to try sitting on the fence then it will be lambasted from every side, not just from one. In Britain, Labour tried to ride two horses at once with the Brexit referendum and made an embarrassment of themselves. For now, Alliance can sit on the fence today and insist that they are not concerned with hypothetical constitutional arrangements when the health/cost of living crises etc are what people want dealt with; which is well and good, but once a border poll is called then that excuse goes out the window. A referendum campaign when it happens, will be all people will be talking about and in such a climate, Alliance will be unable to pretend otherwise. Naomi Long already stated before at Féile and Phobail that in the event of a border poll, the party will campaign. She just wouldn't be drawn on what side they will campaign on.

EDIT

She's also said on twitter a number of times, that Alliance will take a side in the event of a referendum:
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055517213879427077)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1055520603610980357)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1205491354232610816)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1198948527264677897)
https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074 (https://twitter.com/naomi_long/status/1129417742711427074)

The important thing to remember is that if the referendum ever happens it will be stocked to the gills with people who haven’t weighed it up at all. They will have decided many years before. There will be a decent spread of these idiots across both sides of the campaign.

Others will adopt an attitude something like this:
A) dispassionately weigh up the options at the time.
B) make a decision based upon the up to date analysis.
C) get on with doing their best for this place in the meantime.
D) recognise that should a UI be voted into existence that NI and power sharing will still be here and portraying everything about being firstly and maybe lastly about the constitutional question is to waste the potential of the place when we are all still have to live along side each other and share power the other side of such a referendum.

There are of course people who will bear the constitutional question first when considering who is going to make decisions about schools, swimming pools, roads, bus fares, health etc etc. But we shouldn’t beat ourselves about that as there are stupid people everywhere.

Anyone who doesn't have EXACTLY the same priorities as you is 'stupid'

Have a word with yourself, you self-important buffoon

Either I did or I didn’t say that anyone who did not have EXACTLY the same priorities as me was ‘stupid’. Be very clear that I did not. Don’t make things up.

What I did say was that it would be stupid to elect someone to a body that was going to oversee matters that would have an impact of the health, happiness, prosperity and security of all who I hold dear and wider society based upon their view on a different matter that the body was not going to decide. I am sorry that that needed explanation.

Anyway I have self important things to be getting on with.

Decent bit of reversing.

However, the position you've now reversed into doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.

Plenty of people elect politicians based on a mixture of personality and policy.  IMO, to take their professed views on a lot of issues into account is a healthy thing - even if some of these bear no relevance to the activities they will undertake in the chamber.  In the days when parties control the narrative more than ever, it can be the only differentiator.

Some people consider the constitutional question to be the biggest question (personally, I don't, but I would rank it higher than swimming pools ::)).

Some people think that the solutions to the problems in many of those other areas will flow from this.

For many, it's not possible to consider this dispassionately, due to family history / grief etc etc.

You may not agree with that, but the way to change their mind is certainly not to run around with your nose in the air calling them stupid.

You've never queued for swimming lessons in Mid Ulster then.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Franko on May 04, 2022, 05:21:29 PM
Got the family membership - great job.

You should try it
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: red hander on May 04, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it  it

The days of a minority of planted supremists on this island dictating the terms are over.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: pbat on May 04, 2022, 08:47:57 PM
Loyalist wouldn't venture to far out of Rathcoole or Portadown without the protection of the state that they had in the past, more likely to kill some young fella walking home near short strand.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn’t write it lol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: delgany on May 04, 2022, 09:35:42 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn’t write it lol

Whats this Red
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mourne Red on May 04, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn’t write it lol

Whats this Red

“ The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week.”

Brits backing away from suspending protocol
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on May 04, 2022, 10:22:57 PM
Got the family membership - great job.

You should try it

Does it include lessons?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2022, 11:12:16 PM
So the Tories have shafted the DUP again.. On the night before the election you couldn’t write it lol

Whats this Red

“ The British govt is signalling it's moving away from including plans allowing it to suspend part of the protocol in the Queen's speech next week.”

Brits backing away from suspending protocol

What's that about?

Is that deliberately timed due to the election in England?
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: restorepride on May 04, 2022, 11:15:20 PM
if a united ireland is voted for or near id expect loyalsits doing attacks inside the republic to make the south think twice if voting for it  it

The days of a minority of planted supremists on this island dictating the terms are over.
Well said.
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 05, 2022, 12:35:43 AM
My bet is there could be another election later on in the year.


and the same people will get voted in again

and again and again and again ad infinitum

it's like the voters there are stupid or something  :-[
Title: Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
Post by: LeoMc on May 05, 2022, 08:03:42 AM