Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
whats wrong with Comer? Does he have an expected return date?
Comer was named to play at the weekend when the teams were submitted Thursday morning but got hamstring injury at training Thursday and not available to line out.
McHugh was in the same boat in terms of being named but then out with reoccurrence of his hamstring injury also. Galway had a mix up with the medical exception list and only had a panel of 24 as they weren't replaced in time for the squad.
No word on possible return for next weekend for any inured players but it's do or die so who knows, Comer has been risked in similar situations before and it's just made things worse so if he's in bother Galway should just leave him out of the squad and let someone else try to step up. Comer was badly missed at the weekend to be honest and if Kelly is also absent I'd say they could be fatal blows, certainly it turns the dial much more in favour of Mayo.
Both comer and Kelly will line out Sunday , sin e .
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
The championship is still very open. Kerry and Dublin have not justified betting odds to date. It's one step at a time, same as 2001.
Mayo are very inconsistent. They followed up an impressive dismantling of Kerry with an unconvincing day against Louth and a poor display against Cork.
There isn't a lot of quality in the competition. Hopefully injuries will not define the year.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
Wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The winner of the game on Sunday will get good momentum for going into the quarter finals and while they will get a difficult game in quarters a win next weekend and I would expect last weekends results will be largely forgot about. As things stand, the winner of the groups would like to avoid the winners of this one.
Quote from: statto on June 20, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
Wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The winner of the game on Sunday will get good momentum for going into the quarter finals and while they will get a difficult game in quarters a win next weekend and I would expect last weekends results will be largely forgot about. As things stand, the winner of the groups would like to avoid the winners of this one.
Not enough recovery time for Galway (assuming the favs win ) to get right for a qf against a top side . Galway had a very good chance of all Ireland glory this year but I'd be surprised if they followed through now simply because they didn't win their group .
I don't know anyone who is confident as regards the result in regards to this game - pretty much everyone I've been talking to has said either could win it and will come down to whoever performs on the day.
In terms of whoever wins it, i think the turnaround to a quarter-final against rested opposition is likely to be a killer.
Pretty much all the teams who topped the groups will have good momentum anyway so I don't think that is going to help who wins much.
Whoever wins this will have had a kick in the hole followed by an analysis of weaknesses followed by a win. That will probably stand to them more than a weekend off.
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 20, 2023, 02:55:30 PM
I don't know anyone who is confident as regards the result in regards to this game - pretty much everyone I've been talking to has said either could win it and will come down to whoever performs on the day.
In terms of whoever wins it, i think the turnaround to a quarter-final against rested opposition is likely to be a killer.
Pretty much all the teams who topped the groups will have good momentum anyway so I don't think that is going to help who wins much.
My thoughts before the championship started and looking at the schedule was that it would be one of the 4 group winners to take Sam and I think that even more so now. It will be really tough on the prelim winners to get ready for another tough game against top opposition with no recovery time. I can't see Galway beating Mayo and then being able to take out a rested Derry, Kerry or Dublin 6 or 7 days later. I would give Mayo some slight chance as they can avoid Kerry in the draw and don't seem to have as many key players injured as Galway but really I think the 4 teams that have the feet up this weekend have a massive, massive advantage.
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
Whoever wins this will have had a kick in the hole followed by an analysis of weaknesses followed by a win. That will probably stand to them more than a weekend off.
I would disagree, recovery and player availability are key now, there's only 5 weeks left in the IC season, be hard enough to win 3 must win games against good opposition without adding another must win match against a Div One team on top of that. Teams know what they are about at this stage. Really Galway and Mayo totally sabotaged their seasons last Sunday, it genuinely felt like the year was gone last Sunday after Walsh missed that free, the odds are really stacked against Galway now.
The odds would be stacked against Galway if Paddy Joe's All Stars hadn't drawn with Dublin and Kerry hadn't been beaten by Mayo and depended on a dubious penalty to beat Cork.
Maybe none of the other provincials will go all the way.
That may prove to be so in time but at this juncture I'm only worried about Galway seafoid and I think we've made it far harder than necessary by lumping another match and less recovery time for the key injured players we have currently.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 03:19:13 PM
That may prove to be so in time but at this juncture I'm only worried about Galway seafoid and I think we've made it far harder than necessary by lumping another match and less recovery time for the key injured players we have currently.
Of course we have but it's still all to play for. The standard may not be as high as people think.
It's not 2019 any more.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 20, 2023, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: statto on June 20, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 20, 2023, 01:09:57 PM
Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
Wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The winner of the game on Sunday will get good momentum for going into the quarter finals and while they will get a difficult game in quarters a win next weekend and I would expect last weekends results will be largely forgot about. As things stand, the winner of the groups would like to avoid the winners of this one.
Not enough recovery time for Galway (assuming the favs win ) to get right for a qf against a top side . Galway had a very good chance of all Ireland glory this year but I'd be surprised if they followed through now simply because they didn't win their group .
How much will you lose on them Larry when they go out? You'd a hefty all Ireland bet hadn't you?
I only backed them to help finance drowning my sorrows , it's a win win of sorts , I'll frame the docket if they don't pull it off .
It's a bit like 95-99
Sudden death
Galway or Mayo
2 good teams capable of getting to the semi final and beyond
But only one can proceed
Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
Whoever wins this will have had a kick in the hole followed by an analysis of weaknesses followed by a win. That will probably stand to them more than a weekend off.
In the qualifier years yes, in the current set up, I don't think so.
Hammy injuries are the worst to try and manage, no way Comer is 100% for this weekend but I still think Galway win. Mayo went from a team in transition back to AI contenders in the blink of an eye, I dont see it myself. Being Championship fit for the league may have glossed over the weaknesses. Still capable of winning this obviously.
The three Connacht Counties got a hefty kick in their respective holes on the weekend.
Mayo thought they had only to fall over the line after beating Kerry.
Galway probably thought the same.
Given how both were positioned last week the loser of this will feel a right mug Sunday evening.
For the week that's in it. Will Galway beat Mayo?
It has to be done........
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Quote from: larryin89 on June 20, 2023, 02:41:11 PM
Both comer and Kelly will line out Sunday , sin e .
Well you would say that wouldn't ya
Without Comer (and I mean a fit Comer not a half fit version thrown in which has never worked in the past) - we are goosed.
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Quote from: larryin89 on June 20, 2023, 02:41:11 PM
Both comer and Kelly will line out Sunday , sin e .
Well you would say that wouldn't ya
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I'm only going by what John divily told me this morning . Perhaps he was telling lies I dunno
Quote from: galwayman on June 20, 2023, 04:48:54 PM
Without Comer (and I mean a fit Comer not a half fit version thrown in which has never worked in the past) - we are goosed.
Slowing them down is kryptonite for Mayo. Forwards need to improve productivity if Damo is out. It could buy him another week.
Anyway, thank god the Tippy- Tappy stuff is over.
We have been at this recycling since Sunday April 9th and god has it dragged on.
Every result up to this has had relatively no consequence.
On Sunday one or the other will be out and there will be no more B*llshit speculating about that losing team.
The Arse has been worn out of this multiple chance championship.
Looking forward to a real game.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 20, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
Whoever wins this will have had a kick in the hole followed by an analysis of weaknesses followed by a win. That will probably stand to them more than a weekend off.
In the qualifier years yes, in the current set up, I don't think so.
Hammy injuries are the worst to try and manage, no way Comer is 100% for this weekend but I still think Galway win. Mayo went from a team in transition back to AI contenders in the blink of an eye, I dont see it myself. Being Championship fit for the league may have glossed over the weaknesses. Still capable of winning this obviously.
We don't have past data to tell us what 3 weekends in a row mean or what percentage of first seeds win their quarterfinals or whether momentum is superior to rest.
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
The winner of this game will be back on the horse however not topping their groups from promising positions will make reaching the All Ireland semi final all the more difficult now and All Ireland semi final I'm sure was bare minimum target for the year for both Galway and Mayo.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that
real championship?
This one does have the feeling that an injury/knock or two will be the decisive factor. Mayo would seem to have been trying to nurse a handful of players all season in readiness for the knockout stages. Galway's powerful core would seem to be hanging by a thread.
If it turns into all-out warfare for 70 mins, neither team will have much to give the following weekend.
Gotta live championship football.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
In Armagh case have a better opportunity of reaching a rare All Ireland semi final than they would if finished 2nd or 3rd in the group.
Same can be said about provincial championship since 2001 however even this year produced some good games. What any supporter wanted to see in the group stages was teams going hammer and tongs. Everything you want to see from any championship match is that it's played with an edge, hunger, desire, passion and both sides having a focus on the now than what's to come and all of that was seen in all of the games I've named last weekend.
Four games this weekend that are knock out will do well to match the drama.
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Quote from: cornetto on June 21, 2023, 07:22:56 AM
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Everytime Galway have risked injured players its ended in tears, Galway won't Mayo without Kelly, McHugh & Comer but no point in playing either if their not fit. Its certainly not do or die for Joyce (although a huge opportunity will have been missed), apart from Conroy there is nobody else in danger of retiring.
Quote from: cornetto on June 21, 2023, 07:22:56 AM
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Would not be surprised to find out when Galway exit that there is something off injury wise with Walsh, not taking any frees/45s off the ground in warm ups or during games is a huge red flag at the minute.
I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle turnarounds on injuries giving that you are taking days and not weeks in this championship format, the consequence of not having the week break to better facilitate getting players back on the pitch for a knock out match is huge.
Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Galway will have enough to beat Mayo with those key players out and Walsh out of form, probably couldn't pick two lads it would be worse to be without than Kelly and Comer to be honest, but they will have to go with whoever is fit and it's up to them to take their chance and show that they can win a match for their county, if they aren't good enough then so be it but go down swinging at least.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2023, 08:03:39 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Agree completely with this, I was fuming leaving Carrick on Shannon Sunday, I felt that whatever chance Galway had of getting back to the final had been lost for the year.
The bar for both Galway and Mayo was making a semi-final this year and seeing where it might go from there. Both have made it far harder than it could, and should, have been. The ask has gone from winning one match against a team coming in for their 3rd week on week game (remember that they changed the Munster and Leinster hurling round robin structure to avoid any team having to play 3 weeks in a row because those teams were all underperforming and getting pasted in the 3rd game) to having to beat another Division 1 team that was in this year's league final and then beating a rested Derry, Dublin, Kerry or Armagh. Just to even get to the semi-final. Those games last weekend were huge.
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Darragh Ó Sé: Mayo have got themselves in a sticky mess and Galway can end their championship
I saw them beat Kerry in Killarney and thought they were major contenders, but they've lost their way since
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Mayo have managed to get themselves into a sticky old mess, somehow. Even by their own standards of making life hard for themselves, this takes the biscuit. How do you go from being six points up in the 57th minute against Cork and cruising to an All-Ireland quarter-final to needing to beat Galway in Salthill to stay in the championship? That's just not a serious way to manage your affairs.
I wouldn't mind but they had done the hard bit. I was in Killarney when they beat Kerry a month ago and like everybody else, I was impressed with them that day. There was a marked improvement on what they had been like over the past few years. They were full of running and physicality, which you would expect of any Mayo team. But it was the small technical improvements that really stood out to me.
For example, their shooting had come on leaps and bounds. A big part of that was their shot selection. I often think that when you see a report that says a team kicked 16 wides, your first question has to be: how many of them shouldn't have been shots in the first place? That doesn't just mean shots from bad positions or angles – it means shots taken by players who haven't set themselves properly.
Go back to the All-Ireland final they lost against Tyrone in 2021. Think of all the wides they kicked in the second half. None of them were potshots from distance or hero efforts from out on the wings. They were all shots from the places you're supposed to shoot from. But how many times were they shooting a bit off-balance? How many times were they hurrying their shot to get it away before a block came in? Too many.
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The Mayo team I saw in Killarney did very little of that. They missed a good share of goal chances, fair enough. But they scored 1-19 and only had seven wides. Better again, they had 11 different scorers. The likes of Ryan O'Donoghue, James Carr and Jordan Flynn were steadying themselves before shooting. They weren't snapping at chances. If a shot wasn't on, they moved it around until it was.
So I came away from that game thinking they were serious contenders. I know it was early yet – you don't win the Grand National in February – but they hit all the marks you'd be looking for. They bullied Kerry and could have won by seven or eight in the end. They finished with their best team on the pitch, on top of it all. Paddy Durcan, Eoghan McLaughlin and Enda Hession all came off the bench. That's some firepower to throw in to see out any game.
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Mayo needed to put manners on the Cork comeback last week. They didn't and now look where it's got them
Now, in my defence, I presume I wasn't the only one who got fooled. The big thing about this format of the championship is that it's very hard for any team to stand out from the others. You can't really get definitive formlines because you're talking about teams from Division One and Two, who all fancy a crack off the next crowd they come into contact with.
So Mayo beat Kerry and Kerry beat Cork and Cork beat Mayo. Galway beat Tyrone and Tyrone beat Armagh and Armagh beat Galway. Kildare could only draw with Sligo the day Roscommon drew with Dublin but when they eventually met, Kildare were the better team. Donegal got well beaten by Derry who drew with Monaghan, who lost to Donegal.
This is maybe an aspect to the new championship that has sort of snuck up on everybody. Nothing is set in stone. There are landmines waiting around the corner for all the teams. Mayo were 15 minutes away from doing a clean sweep of their group games and now they're fighting for their lives.
Cork's Tommy Walsh in action against Mayo's Aidan O'Shea at TUS Gaelic Grounds, Limerick. Photograph: Evan Treacy/Inpho
What has changed? That's the problem they need to work out. They haven't had any big injuries. The weather conditions are the same now as they were then. Their marquee players haven't suddenly lost their form – the likes of Aidan O'Shea, Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor and O'Donoghue have all played reasonably well in the last two games. So what is it that has gone wrong?
A couple of things jump out at me. The first is that even when they were playing well and winning games, they still had a habit of giving the opposition a chance coming down the stretch. Even go back to the league final, they were pretty well on top for most of that game but Galway got it back to a point late on before Mayo saw it out.
There was a bit of that against Louth a couple of weeks ago too – that late goal was total carelessness. So you could say the signs were there and Cork would have had it in their heads that if they were able to get within touching distance in the closing stages, they'd be in with a shout. You can be guaranteed John Cleary and the rest of the Cork management were drilling that into them.
The second thing feeds into the first thing. There seems to be a lack of leadership in the Mayo ranks. When games are in the melting pot, they haven't had enough players standing up and going, "Wait a minute here, fellas. This thing is slipping. Give me the ball and let's take a hold of the situation." They needed to put manners on the Cork comeback last week. They didn't and now look where it's got them.
They have a huge task on their hands going to Salthill. A lot will depend on Galway's injury situation. If Seán Kelly can't play, that's a major blow for Pádraic Joyce. He's been their best player in this championship and their biggest leader. If Damien Comer is out too, that's a lot for Galway to do without.
Ultimately though, Galway have fewer doubts in their head than Mayo do. They're at home, they're settled and they'll be delighted to have a local derby. When I heard the draw, I thought of being on the Kerry bus coming out of Tullamore after a poor performance against Antrim in 2009. We were cranky with ourselves, our season was limping along. Then we heard we'd been drawn against Dublin and let a big cheer out of us. Now it's on, lads. Now it's championship. I can see Galway getting over their Armagh defeat the same way.
The only thing for sure is that the happiest men in Ireland are Jack O'Connor and Dessie Farrell. Not only do their two closest rivals in the All-Ireland betting have to play an extra game, they have to play it against each other. And only one of them will be still going after Sunday.
Whoever wins, the big winners are Kerry and Dublin.
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Quote from: cornetto on June 21, 2023, 07:22:56 AM
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Would not be surprised to find out when Galway exit that there is something off injury wise with Walsh, not taking any frees/45s off the ground in warm ups or during games is a huge red flag at the minute.
I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle turnarounds on injuries giving that you are taking days and not weeks in this championship format, the consequence of not having the week break to better facilitate getting players back on the pitch for a knock out match is huge.
Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Galway will have enough to beat Mayo with those key players out and Walsh out of form, probably couldn't pick two lads it would be worse to be without than Kelly and Comer to be honest, but they will have to go with whoever is fit and it's up to them to take their chance and show that they can win a match for their county, if they aren't good enough then so be it but go down swinging at least.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2023, 08:03:39 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Agree completely with this, I was fuming leaving Carrick on Shannon Sunday, I felt that whatever chance Galway had of getting back to the final had been lost for the year.
The bar for both Galway and Mayo was making a semi-final this year and seeing where it might go from there. Both have made it far harder than it could, and should, have been. The ask has gone from winning one match against a team coming in for their 3rd week on week game (remember that they changed the Munster and Leinster hurling round robin structure to avoid any team having to play 3 weeks in a row because those teams were all underperforming and getting pasted in the 3rd game) to having to beat another Division 1 team that was in this year's league final and then beating a rested Derry, Dublin, Kerry or Armagh. Just to even get to the semi-final. Those games last weekend were huge.
Par for the course, AFA. Imagine Statler and Waldorf in maroon jerseys transported to Pearse Stadium. At least you are consistent.
This is a huge challenge for Galway but if they get over it the path is clear. I wouldn't write them off on the basis of last Sunday.
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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 21, 2023, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: cornetto on June 21, 2023, 07:22:56 AM
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Would not be surprised to find out when Galway exit that there is something off injury wise with Walsh, not taking any frees/45s off the ground in warm ups or during games is a huge red flag at the minute.
I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle turnarounds on injuries giving that you are taking days and not weeks in this championship format, the consequence of not having the week break to better facilitate getting players back on the pitch for a knock out match is huge.
Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Galway will have enough to beat Mayo with those key players out and Walsh out of form, probably couldn't pick two lads it would be worse to be without than Kelly and Comer to be honest, but they will have to go with whoever is fit and it's up to them to take their chance and show that they can win a match for their county, if they aren't good enough then so be it but go down swinging at least.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2023, 08:03:39 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Agree completely with this, I was fuming leaving Carrick on Shannon Sunday, I felt that whatever chance Galway had of getting back to the final had been lost for the year.
The bar for both Galway and Mayo was making a semi-final this year and seeing where it might go from there. Both have made it far harder than it could, and should, have been. The ask has gone from winning one match against a team coming in for their 3rd week on week game (remember that they changed the Munster and Leinster hurling round robin structure to avoid any team having to play 3 weeks in a row because those teams were all underperforming and getting pasted in the 3rd game) to having to beat another Division 1 team that was in this year's league final and then beating a rested Derry, Dublin, Kerry or Armagh. Just to even get to the semi-final. Those games last weekend were huge.
Par for the course, AFA. Imagine Statler and Waldorf in maroon jerseys transported to Pearse Stadium. At least you are consistent.
This is a huge challenge for Galway but if they get over it the path is clear. I wouldn't write them off on the basis of last Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
;D I'm old enough to get that reference at least. Sure we'll see, hopefully you're right.
In terms of where Galway are likely to be at, I would take the base as the 2014 Connacht final where in the preview Maughan and Casey were plamasing Galway and Mayo subsequently hammered them. Most of that great Mayo team has since retired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9In3bD0D4n8
Kevin Walsh pointed out a lot of the aspects that Galway were missing, especially intensity and low turnovers. It has been a long road but Galway eventually became a football team. Most of the improvements will still be there at the weekend, Comer notwithstanding. So they have a decent chance.
It's a sellout ?
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 21, 2023, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: cornetto on June 21, 2023, 07:22:56 AM
Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Would not be surprised to find out when Galway exit that there is something off injury wise with Walsh, not taking any frees/45s off the ground in warm ups or during games is a huge red flag at the minute.
I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle turnarounds on injuries giving that you are taking days and not weeks in this championship format, the consequence of not having the week break to better facilitate getting players back on the pitch for a knock out match is huge.
Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Galway will have enough to beat Mayo with those key players out and Walsh out of form, probably couldn't pick two lads it would be worse to be without than Kelly and Comer to be honest, but they will have to go with whoever is fit and it's up to them to take their chance and show that they can win a match for their county, if they aren't good enough then so be it but go down swinging at least.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 21, 2023, 08:03:39 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 20, 2023, 10:13:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2023, 06:39:01 PM
Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Agree completely with this, I was fuming leaving Carrick on Shannon Sunday, I felt that whatever chance Galway had of getting back to the final had been lost for the year.
The bar for both Galway and Mayo was making a semi-final this year and seeing where it might go from there. Both have made it far harder than it could, and should, have been. The ask has gone from winning one match against a team coming in for their 3rd week on week game (remember that they changed the Munster and Leinster hurling round robin structure to avoid any team having to play 3 weeks in a row because those teams were all underperforming and getting pasted in the 3rd game) to having to beat another Division 1 team that was in this year's league final and then beating a rested Derry, Dublin, Kerry or Armagh. Just to even get to the semi-final. Those games last weekend were huge.
There is definitely something going on.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
It's a sellout ?
Is this the first real knockout game between Galway and Mayo since the back door qualifiers were introduced?
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2023, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
It’s a sellout ?
Is this the first real knockout game between Galway and Mayo since the back door qualifiers were introduced?
There was the COVID years 20 and 21 where Mayo knocked Galway out on both occasions plus a qualifier in 2019
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2023, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
It's a sellout ?
Is this the first real knockout game between Galway and Mayo since the back door qualifiers were introduced?
Not a sellout as ticketmaster have put them on sale again . Odd balls
I think it's the first knockout game in Connacht where supporters could go since Ciaran Mac come on in tuam 99 , never forget that roar when he sailed one over , there were people on top of the roofs of houses lookin in . Glorious days of a very special fixture .
Is Finnerty struggling with injury? Comer certainly a miss, but a forward line of Cooke, Heaney, Tierney, Burke, Finnerty, Walsh is still full of quality. That added to Mayo's troubles with the beating the packed defence I would still give a hesitant nod to Galway with home advantage. Wouldn't rule out ET/penos in this one.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 22, 2023, 12:49:47 PM
Quote from: lenny on June 22, 2023, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 22, 2023, 11:06:45 AM
It's a sellout ?
Is this the first real knockout game between Galway and Mayo since the back door qualifiers were introduced?
Not a sellout as ticketmaster have put them on sale again . Odd balls
I think it's the first knockout game in Connacht where supporters could go since Ciaran Mac come on in tuam 99 , never forget that roar when he sailed one over , there were people on top of the roofs of houses lookin in . Glorious days of a very special fixture .
Larry,
I was there, that was the only glorious thing about the day, as it absolutley pissed rain from the early am.
Place was jammed. The path between sitting and the terrace across from the stand side was unnegotiable, there were puddles of water 4-6 inches that people had to walk thru to get to a place on the terrace.
crazy stuff, if memory serves me right, there was such a backlash that it ended Tuam stadiums days as a connacht final venue.
it was a great win, David Nestor goal in first half the decisive score in the end.
Quote from: statto on June 22, 2023, 01:58:34 PM
Is Finnerty struggling with injury? Comer certainly a miss, but a forward line of Cooke, Heaney, Tierney, Burke, Finnerty, Walsh is still full of quality. That added to Mayo's troubles with the beating the packed defence I would still give a hesitant nod to Galway with home advantage. Wouldn't rule out ET/penos in this one.
This is one fixture whereby playing at home hasn't been much of advantage in recent years. Last ten years Mayo have beaten Galway in Pearse Stadium in the championship 3 times and in the same time period Galway have beaten Mayo 4 times in MacHale Park.
Home "advantage " doesn't really exist in Connacht.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2023, 05:56:21 PM
Home "advantage " doesn't really exist in Connacht.
Definitely not. I'd say Galway probably have a better record in Castlebar and The Hyde than they do in Salthill.
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 22, 2023, 05:56:21 PM
Home "advantage " doesn't really exist in Connacht.
Definitely not. I'd say Galway probably have a better record in Castlebar and The Hyde than they do in Salthill.
Tuam was different
Sean Kelly,Damien Comer named to start remains to be seen if they'll play.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzQd3DwWwAM-cqL?format=jpg&name=medium)
Fancy Galway for this one.
I really don't understand the fuss over Sean Kelly all week , it was a bit of a contact injury , I certainly knew he would be available . Comer is not even injured.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 06:29:46 AM
I really don't understand the fuss over Sean Kelly all week , it was a bit of a contact injury , I certainly knew he would be available . Comer is not even injured.
Stop talking shite like a good lad.
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 06:29:46 AM
I really don't understand the fuss over Sean Kelly all week , it was a bit of a contact injury , I certainly knew he would be available . Comer is not even injured.
Stop talking shite like a good lad.
Excuse me ?whats shite about stating he is available when he is or are you going to persist with personal insults ?
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 06:41:27 AM
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 06:35:47 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 06:29:46 AM
I really don't understand the fuss over Sean Kelly all week , it was a bit of a contact injury , I certainly knew he would be available . Comer is not even injured.
Stop talking shite like a good lad.
Excuse me ?whats shite about stating he is available when he is or are you going to persist with personal insults ?
How do you know he's available chief?
You just stated he's not even injured when he clearly has been.
We only togged 24 players last week ffs.
Kelly also clearly picked up an injury last week.
You have no idea whether either of them will play or not (and nor do I) so I repeat quit the shite talk
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 06:29:46 AM
I really don't understand the fuss over Sean Kelly all week , it was a bit of a contact injury , I certainly knew he would be available . Comer is not even injured.
Mayo psy ops
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Just one thing to clarify from last week as it seems to keep getting mixed up and as I've seen numerous people say that Comer would have played only for a medical note delay. McHugh or Comer could have played against Armagh, but after the team sheet was submitted Thursday morning, they picked up what sounds like hamstring strains at that Thursday evening training. Galway management obviously wanted to give them as much time as possible to potentially recover but then made a bags of getting the doctor statement to say they were unfit to play submitted in time so that they could be replaced in the squad by two of the named standby players when they didn't recover. Galway then played with a squad of 24 players against Armagh.
There was no need to do anything with medical notes or paperwork to allow them to play last Sunday. Nothing. Given the nature of the game and how it played out, I would suggest that if Comer had been able to play even ten minutes then we would have seen him substituted in before the likes of O Curraoin who hasn't played a second for Galway seniors.
I've no doubt beforehand that the thought process was not to risk him in a non knock out game with any strain and if Walsh kicks that free for a finish then it would have been fine. If there was any potential for him to play last weekend given how things panned out on the day then we'd have seen a late appearance to try and secure a draw at least and there was nothing paperwork related that stopped that.
If that Galway team starts at named and they are all fit to play then we have a really good chance of a positive result so fingers crossed it does, there's been late changes to the named team in both of the last two matches though. We've heard conflicting reports on player availability, realistically unless people are in IC setups you won't know 100% until the day, very little gets out these days.
One question for this match is will Mayo continue to persist with Loftus in defence?
Shur we shall wait and see , why wouldn't Sean Kelly play though if only a knock , doesn't strike me as a lad who'd be whinging about a bit of bruising .
Loftus will of course play in defence , mcstay has hung his hat on that one and can't see him admitting to it not working out in the potential last game of the year . My main concern is cillian tbh . We might need something left side to win this , Paddy Durcan in ff give Sean kelly something to think about , when you're thinking things like such as a supporter ya know it's not going right . It reminds me of days going in against Kerry, what will we do with donaghy , who will take gooch . It's a loser mindset we are putting too much emphasis on nullifying the opposition cause in reality we probably don't have the talent they do .
As it gets closer the confidence is starting to dwindle , will travel in hope rather than expectation.
Mayo tend to play best when the safety net is gone, we've seen inferior Galway teams manage to beat Mayo and vice versa.
Either team could win and it should be a close game if everyone shows up. How both contrived to ruin such strong positions at the top of their groups, ending up having to play each other at this stage before even the last 8 is the real problem for both.
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 07:37:05 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
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Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 07:37:05 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
Have you read 3 posts up?
I'd love to know what possible paperwork mess up can disqualify a player you named to start. Why would you submit doctors certs if you wanted to play him? The poster above mentions Barry Cullinane saying one injury is a contact injury on a pod, but fails to mention or take on board that Barry Cullinane says he doesn't think Comer or McHugh will make it on the same pod. This is what you're dealing with
Are they both not named in the team or am I missing something , surely if we are to deal in facts , the fact is Galway management have named both to start on Sunday , one side of your mouth is saying one can't rely on whisper/rumour and the other is saying we can't take team selection as truth either . Nobody from the Galway camp has said Kelly or comer won't be playing . Sin E
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 09:52:18 AM
Are they both not named in the team or am I missing something , surely if we are to deal in facts , the fact is Galway management have named both to start on Sunday , one side of your mouth is saying one can't rely on whisper/rumour and the other is saying we can't take team selection as truth either . Nobody from the Galway camp has said Kelly or comer won't be playing . Sin E
That's not the same as comments on last Sunday's squad though that are factually incorrect, I genuinely can't understand the lack of comprehension on the 24 man squad issue along with Comer and McHugh's unavailability last Sunday, it's not complicated.
That said and as you referenced there, all that matters now is whether those players named in the 26 are fit (and properly match fit) to play this Sunday. We don't want to see a repeat of the desperation stuff from Limerick in 2019 when Comer was brought into the fray and clearly shouldn't have been next nor near the pitch, desperately unfair on all the players. Accepting that some players aren't really replaceable, there is still a large squad there, if you have to rely on others now that's just the way, they will either meet the challenge or not be good enough, so be it either way.
If the Galway team plays as selected all the better.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 09:52:18 AM
Are they both not named in the team or am I missing something , surely if we are to deal in facts , the fact is Galway management have named both to start on Sunday , one side of your mouth is saying one can't rely on whisper/rumour and the other is saying we can't take team selection as truth either . Nobody from the Galway camp has said Kelly or comer won't be playing . Sin E
sure was Comer not named to play last week as well? If its hamstring injury as mentioned doubt he'll be fit for much vs Mayo. Thought at the time Kelly had been stood on when jostling for the ball with Forker and should be fine but no idea. Hopefully both are fully fit.
No bother an fhairche Abu , understand now . Grma for your reasonable reply .
The method of arriving at the position on the last day after 3 marches is arseways. In a group with 3 of similar level the probability of 3 ending up on 4 is high. Deciding based on head to head gives higher importance to one match.
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
The method of arriving at the position on the last day after 3 marches is arseways. In a group with 3 of similar level the probability of 3 ending up on 4 is high. Deciding based on head to head gives higher importance to one match.
If 3 end up on 4 the score difference is used, is it not?
Enough about Galway, when will our lads be named?
Larry, if that Loftus carry on is the brainchild of Rochford then I can see him picked at 6 but not playing there and Coen (if fit) moving back.
Callinan in for donnacha mchugh, Cillian makes the 26 , no other personnel changes .
Mayo (All-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-final v Galway, 25/6/2023): Colm Reape (Knockmore); Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites); Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels, captain); Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore), Matthew Ruane (Breaffy); Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers); Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), James Carr (Ardagh), Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet). Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Tommy Conroy (The Neale), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Fionn McDonagh (Westport), Darren McHale (Knockmore), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore, Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber), Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels).
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Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2023, 10:05:32 AM
The method of arriving at the position on the last day after 3 marches is arseways. In a group with 3 of similar level the probability of 3 ending up on 4 is high. Deciding based on head to head gives higher importance to one match.
If 3 end up on 4 the score difference is used, is it not?
Of course it is.
Seaf/Breheny ::)
Stand tickets available now. strange way of doing business
Quote from: rosnarun on June 23, 2023, 02:47:21 PM
Stand tickets available now. strange way of doing business
Can never figure out the way ticketmaster operate , is it because they are the only show in town in this field , it's brutal like .
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 05:18:48 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 23, 2023, 02:47:21 PM
Stand tickets available now. strange way of doing business
Can never figure out the way ticketmaster operate , is it because they are the only show in town in this field , it's brutal like .
agreed
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Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
Have you read 3 posts up?
I'd love to know what possible paperwork mess up can disqualify a player you named to start. Why would you submit doctors certs if you wanted to play him? The poster above mentions Barry Cullinane saying one injury is a contact injury on a pod, but fails to mention or take on board that Barry Cullinane says he doesn't think Comer or McHugh will make it on the same pod. This is what you're dealing with
there will be changes on both teams for sure.
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 11:02:11 AM
Callinan in for donnacha mchugh, Cillian makes the 26 , no other personnel changes .
Mayo (All-Ireland SFC preliminary quarter-final v Galway, 25/6/2023): Colm Reape (Knockmore); Jack Coyne (Ballyhaunis), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites); Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels, captain); Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore), Matthew Ruane (Breaffy); Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers); Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), James Carr (Ardagh), Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet). Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Tommy Conroy (The Neale), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Enda Hession (Garrymore), Fionn McDonagh (Westport), Darren McHale (Knockmore), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore, Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber), Bob Tuohy (Castlebar Mitchels).
To quote the late Padraig Pearse "O wise men, riddle me this"
How can Mayo management, who I still believe in and fully backed their appointments this year, name the selected panel for Sunday that has failed miserably to score in last four games and most likely will face a defensive wall similar to Cork game plan.
Specifically, I am talking about the exclusion of Paul Towey who can actually score from play for 30+ yards, and the continued inclusion of Jason Doherty, Kevin Mcloughlin (Both incredible servants to Mayo football since 2011), who at this points find it difficult to score. Unfortunately, Fionn McDonagh who puts in a great amount effort, is also not someone who can score as he is totally one footed
I re watched the Cork game in full two evenings ago, For Stephen Coen, every pass is a 20 yard lateral pass or a 15-20 yard pass along the sideline, the opponents know at this point that he has been instructed not to shoot, therefore he will not be getting any one-two passes to make an incision to opposing defenses, and if he does they just back off him. Coyne operating in a similar type mode, except he is way faster but twice last week, he got the ball inside Cork 30 yard line, fairly open, he turns back and recycles. Now I am not for reckless shooting but FFS you still need to score 17-18 points to win most games. Our scoring has basically centered around, O Donoughue, Flynn, AOS and conroy off the bench. None of our other forwards are consistently scoring and I mean even one point a game.
It is also very apparent that Diarmuid O Connor is not fully fit, he is a man that has ran himself into the ground for Mayo since he put on that jersey , yet 20 mins into first half he was in the middle of the field with his hands on his knees, from the second half throw him he also did not look right. He also got caught 10-15 yards away from Ian McGuire for the Cork goal. Major problem for Mayo midfield, as last week there was no plan B for that area.
I genuinely hope as I am way off on my prediction, but if Kelly, Comer and Walsh play, I cannot see how Mayo will get within five or six points of them.
I also watched the Galway V Armagh game back, the tackling of Armagh when Galway were in possession was absolutely incredible.
Can Mayo match that, to they credit they did play like that in some games this year, but at this stage to be able to regain that level of tackling intensity will be quiet the stretch.
Maybe Mayo will score 2-3 goals, only possible way I see them winning, as point scoring is obviously not our forte.
Please let me be wrong.
Going by Galway's scoring this year against div 1 opposition in league and championship you won't need you 17-18 points to win this Sunday.
2-8,0-8,0-16,1-9,1-13,1-8,1-13,0-11,1-13,0-16, and 1-12 that's an average of 14 points per game. I'd expect an slugfest of a contest where a score line of 1-11 will likely be enough to win.
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Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
Have you read 3 posts up?
I'd love to know what possible paperwork mess up can disqualify a player you named to start. Why would you submit doctors certs if you wanted to play him? The poster above mentions Barry Cullinane saying one injury is a contact injury on a pod, but fails to mention or take on board that Barry Cullinane says he doesn't think Comer or McHugh will make it on the same pod. This is what you're dealing with
there will be changes on both teams for sure.
100% I'd put money on Tommy Conroy starting
Quote from: Halfquarter on June 23, 2023, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 07:37:05 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
The paperwork mess up didn't stop Comer playing last week,
it stopped Galway from replacing him in the matchday panel.
So lf he was fit he could have started or come on later.
Quote from: jmk on June 23, 2023, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on June 23, 2023, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: galwayman on June 23, 2023, 07:37:05 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on June 23, 2023, 07:18:20 AM
How do I know ? For a starter both are named .
Sean Kelly played last week and went off with an impact/contact injury that has came from several reports including Barry cullinane on mayo news podcast last night .
All indications are Damien comer has been rested with a view to the knockout stages , all evidence points to he was good to go last week bar a bit of a fook up with paper work .
So I larryin89 of sane mind will confidently make an assessment of all available evidence and say both will be part of the Galway team on Sunday . Now if you think that is talking shite that's your opinion which you are entitled to but I beg to differ .
Absolute bullshit. That is a complete lie re Comer
Strong words there. You should back them up with some facts .
The paperwork mess up didn't stop Comer playing last week,
it stopped Galway from replacing him in the matchday panel.
So lf he was fit he could have started or come on later.
Exactly yeah - yet some are suggesting he wasnt injured at all.
It really isn't complicated
What's the story with Sean Kelly, he looked to be in a bad way in the Armagh game. If he does play, surely Mayo would try and target him by putting OShea in ff, and actually kick a few balls into him, height wise, surely it's a bit of a mismatch.
Quote from: ardtole on June 23, 2023, 09:03:22 PM
What's the story with Sean Kelly, he looked to be in a bad way in the Armagh game. If he does play, surely Mayo would try and target him by putting OShea in ff, and actually kick a few balls into him, height wise, surely it's a bit of a mismatch.
Kelly would kick about 2-4 off him lol
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2023, 07:40:02 PM
Going by Galway's scoring this year against div 1 opposition in league and championship you won't need you 17-18 points to win this Sunday.
2-8,0-8,0-16,1-9,1-13,1-8,1-13,0-11,1-13,0-16, and 1-12 that's an average of 14 points per game. I'd expect an slugfest of a contest where a score line of 1-11 will likely be enough to win.
This is a key point, Galway have been winning matches because they have only been conceding an average around 12/13 (ish) points, the problems have been up front as you've outlined.
QuoteWhat's the story with Sean Kelly, he looked to be in a bad way in the Armagh game. If he does play, surely Mayo would try and target him by putting OShea in ff, and actually kick a few balls into him, height wise, surely it's a bit of a mismatch.
Our lads are brainwashed by our management army into doing the opposite, the "stats" must say that's too risky.
It's ironic that we played some of our best football earlier in the year, v Tyrone is a good example, it's likely the lads were vying for places and playing with freedom, passion and commitment over tactics.
I'm hoping/praying the early season version of us shows up, it's the hope that kills us in Mayo, always has and nothing appears to change.
If the sight of that maroon jersey can't get us off our arses on Sunday then the future is bleak.
Still think it's Mayo year to take Sam across the Shannon..
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/24/endgame-frailties-a-source-of-real-concern-for-mayo/Mayo's most pressing issue has been their tendency to fade out of games in the latter stages.
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Both teams probably threw away any chance of getting to the AI final last Sunday given the road left to travel now, hard to know which was the worse butchering of the prime position each team was in to top their groups, Mayo's probably a more spectacular collapse but Galway's just as bad really given the context.
we got the worst team out of the hat anyway, Mayo are a really good team and Galway are in serious bother with the injury situation.
If Comer and Kelly are unavailable I don't see how Galway can get a result, they are just too important to the team, along with the underrated McHugh. If Comer plays last Sunday and I think we have the feet up this . Mayo's record in knock out matches between the two counties when it's do or die as well is formidable. Hopefully this match will see Galway making a real stand and not a 2019 like situation.
Regardless, the eternal question remains "will Galway bate Mayo?".
Wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The winner of the game on Sunday will get good momentum for going into the quarter finals and while they will get a difficult game in quarters a win next weekend and I would expect last weekends results will be largely forgot about. As things stand, the winner of the groups would like to avoid the winners of this one.
Not enough recovery time for Galway (assuming the favs win ) to get right for a qf against a top side . Galway had a very good chance of all Ireland glory this year but I'd be surprised if they followed through now simply because they didn't win their group .
the winner of the all ireland will come from the group of teams already through to the QF. it's the least risky route and the easiest route. no matter who wins today between galway or mayo, either will be beaten the following week.
I wouldn't be so sure. Let's say Mayo win then they could beat Armagh. I don't think they will win though but if Galway win then if they get players back they could beat most teams. I certainly would have Galway favourites to beat Derry. (I think any of the ulster teams are pro a top eight but not necessarily four)
I don't think it's 50/50.
Mayo are missing something. They lose the plot in the last 10 minutes.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/24/endgame-frailties-a-source-of-real-concern-for-mayo/When they come under pressure in the last 10 minutes of games, when the other team has to go for it and put on a full-court press, Mayo don't react well," says Billy Joe Padden. "They don't protect a lead the way they should. They haven't operated very efficiently in that scenario.
"They haven't been physical enough around the middle of the field. They haven't got their kick-outs away, they haven't been clinical enough taking their chances to knock the other team out of their momentum. They haven't had the know-how to hold possession for long periods of time and take the sting out of the game."
This isn't something that has just come to light in the past couple of games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 25, 2023, 12:15:05 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. Let's say Mayo win then they could beat Armagh. I don't think they will win though but if Galway win then if they get players back they could beat most teams. I certainly would have Galway favourites to beat Derry. (I think any of the ulster teams are pro a top eight but not necessarily four)
galway already carrying a couple of knocks and you can be sure the two teams will knock the shite out of each other again today and then go into next week's match trying to manage possibly sore bodies and psychological come down from a big game like this, while whoever is waiting will be well rested. i struggle to see either team get through next week's game tbh
Mayo with four changes Mattie Ruane, Conor Loftus, Padraig O'Hora, James Carr. And replaced by Eoghan McLaughlin, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty and Tommy Conroy in.
Sean Kelly and Damien Comer still set to start for Galway but some journalist reckons changes could still be made.. Sean Fitzgerald in for Ian Burke the only change thus far
Mayo by 4. Mayo have the better forwards and bench. Galway are overrated.
Tommy ran home with it there.
Can't understand Mayo urgency against the wind?
The intensity to this game makes yesterdays games look like Tailteann Cup!
They trying to build up ahead of steam.
Well it's 2 of the top 4 with local rivalry bite, of course its gonna be way above anything from yesterday.
Comer makes some difference to Galway, sorta put Armagh win in perspective last week.
Durcan a tad fast.
Where is Padraig O'Hora, injured? Massive loss to any team although Mayo have improved depth this year
Mayo man looked fouled there.
Hoping for a Mayo win more of a chance they beat the Dubs than Galway I reckon, more entertaining style usually
Mayo can't get a break ball.
With that breeze Galway would be as well just pumping everything into Comer and work off him then. He's winning everything at the minute.
Walsh ::)
Mayo getting decimated in midfield.
Galway will likely rue not pushing ahead here.
Wondering how hard the breeze is here, to I see the ball blowing off the tee.
DOC lucky not to get a Black there!
Where's all the Mayo lads standing for the kickouts, it like 4 on 2 there steady.
Galway are clearly the better team.
Shane Walsh having a mare. 4 wides.
All Ireland winners ain't playing in Salthill today, poor all round.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 25, 2023, 03:36:40 PM
All Ireland winners ain't playing in Salthill today, poor all round.
This isn't the Tippey-Tappey stuff of the previous weeks.
This is a highly intense knockout derby with a monster of a breeze disrupting everybody.
Poor that Mayo only realised they need to slow the game down with 10 minutes to go.
Galway made a mess of that. They played throughout like a team protecting a lead rather than one with midfield dominance and a gale blowing behind.
They'll have 15 behind the ball from now.
I expect we will see COC early this half, playing in a withdrawn role.
Game a hundred miles an hr but plenty of mistakrs
Would expect Mayo to rack up a big tally in second half with that breeze. Walsh not in game and Galway would get much against that breeze. Mayo great value now at 10/3. Conor Gleeson the Galway goalie is an accident waiting to happen.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 25, 2023, 03:31:27 PM
Galway are clearly the better team.
Good value for their 5 point lead. Mayo's with the wind advantage 2nd half might improve.
Mayo & Donegal, 2 teams that don't know how to play with a wind, expect Galway to win.
Serious amount of bad wides both team.Walsh gone off the boil very badly. Going from been as good as Clifford to not even in the top 10 forwards form wise.
Mayo poor, even allowing for the wind, bu they've surprised us before.
BTW, yet again, two teams with dark jerseys + white shorts.
More consideration needed for the elderly and visually-impaired, more contrast needed in the colours (esp without HD on RTE1)
There's an amnesty for steps in Salthill, it's a steps paradise. Just when you think you have seen it all, Aidan O'Shea went full walkabout after winning that late throw ball.
Quote from: Main Street on June 25, 2023, 03:47:54 PM
There's an amnesty for steps in Salthill, it's a steps paradise. Just when you think you have seen it all, Aidan O'Shea went full walkabout after winning that late throw ball.
about 12 at least ;)
Its a foul but no need for the theatrics from mayo. His face wasn't touched
Quote from: befair on June 25, 2023, 03:47:25 PM
Mayo poor, even allowing for the wind, bu they've surprised us before.
BTW, yet again, two teams with dark jerseys + white shorts.
More consideration needed for the elderly and visually-impaired, more contrast needed in the colours (esp without HD on RTE1)
I think it should be possible for one team to wear coloured shorts easily enough.
Mayo may need Ruane, Loftus, Carr on soon. Even C O'Connor if fit.
Comer off with hamstring at half time supposedly.
Even by his own standards, thus is an exceptional display of selfless football by Diarmuid O'Connor
Mayo have this now.
Excellent goal from Mayo to level it. Only one winner now.
Galway haven't beaten Mayo in knockout championship game since 98.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 25, 2023, 03:36:40 PM
All Ireland winners ain't playing in Salthill today, poor all round.
Wouldn't be so sure of that!
Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 04:08:59 PM
Galway haven't beaten Mayo in knockout championship game since 98.
Ah Jez, how many knockout games have they met in since 1998?
Galway shitting the bed as usual against Mayo.
Eoghan McLaughlin is living proof that being good at football is nowhere near as important as being athletic. Even when it's impossible to make the wrong decision, he finds a way.
McLaughlin didn't know what to do there, easy point easy option,
There like 30 over carries on this game,
John Daly could really shut up. Never stops mouthing .
No Galway forward scored from play in second half.
That Mayo goalkeeper very poor kicking the ball out.
Eoin McLaughlin be better off on the bench, total liability
Mayo tackling has been excellent in second half. Turning over some amount of ball.
McDaid be a better No. 11
Colm Reape save from Matthew Tierney is winning of the game for Mayo.
McLaughlin made another mistake, brutal.
Absolutely shocking from Mayo mgt to keep giving Eoin McLaughlin chances to ruin their year.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2023, 04:16:35 PM
Eoghan McLaughlin is living proof that being good at football is nowhere near as important as being athletic. Even when it's impossible to make the wrong decision, he finds a way.
Again!!! 🤦🏼♂️
Will ODonoghue be cited for the stamp on Kelly?
Imagine the outrage if Tyrone or Armagh player who done it.
Mayo need go forward.
Why go for a goal with over 2 mins left to play and only 2 points down
Big loss for Galway, had the best panel of players, but even with that, injuries caught up with them. Mayo blow very hot and cold.
Exciting game. Lots of mistakes but that Mayo goal was a brilliant move. Mayo probably just about deserved it. Kelly and Comer at half fitness was too much to overcome.
An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Mad game of football.
Galway similar to Roscommon yesterday. Too much interest in systems, shapes and damage protection. A lack of positive intent and it cost them dearly.
Mayo looked like they were going to motor ahead 10 mins into second half but they fell victim to the same fear of losing. That and getting destroyed at midfield.
No matter who Mayo draw next they need Ruane back. Galway probably bigger than any team they might face in a QF, but I don't think I've ever seen a Mayo team so comprehensively slaughtered at midfield. They also need do put Eoin McLaughlin on ice somewhere. He seems like a genuinely brilliant lad, but he's the living embodiment of Donal Vaughan and Mayo don't need that self exploding disadvantage going to Croke Park.
Both teams had themselves to blame being in this situation.
The Kelly and Comer injures would not be issues if Galway were not here today.
Shane Walsh needs to keep away from the media circuit and get back to basics. His misses cost Galway today.
Mayo have got over the line today, but remember they have a stiff test again in a week, after a bruising game today.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Did you think so? I thought he was inconsistent and didn't apply the rules. Two clear black cards he gave yellows for (the hand trip and the dissent). Also when his own county can be impacted by the result in the next round he shouldn't have been refereeing.
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Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Did you think so? I thought he was inconsistent and didn't apply the rules. Two clear black cards he gave yellows for (the hand trip and the dissent). Also when his own county can be impacted by the result in the next round he shouldn't have been refereeing.
So was he on the phone to Logan/Dooher this morning to check which team they wanted to win? Jesus wept.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 25, 2023, 04:38:43 PM
Why go for a goal with over 2 mins left to play and only 2 points down
Turned out to be near enough 3 mins, not including the long last kickout. In any case, points against that wind were a rarity. Some poetic justice I suppose in that Galway were outdone by the Salthill swirling wind.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
Mad game of football.
Galway similar to Roscommon yesterday. Too much interest in systems, shapes and damage protection. A lack of positive intent and it cost them dearly.
Mayo looked like they were going to motor ahead 10 mins into second half but they fell victim to the same fear of losing. That and getting destroyed at midfield.
No matter who Mayo draw next they need Ruane back. Galway probably bigger than any team they might face in a QF, but I don't think I've ever seen a Mayo team so comprehensively slaughtered at midfield. They also need do put Eoin McLaughlin on ice somewhere. He seems like a genuinely brilliant lad, but he's the living embodiment of Donal Vaughan and Mayo don't need that self exploding disadvantage going to Croke Park.
I'd agree Mayo play with more freedom and are better for the neutral. Galway are a very regimented side, not as free flowing. Also agree Ruane needs to be back next time.
If Shane turns up today we win the game.
You simply can't miss 20m frees in front of the posts.
And he barely touched the ball in open play.
Comer going off was obviously a disaster.
Ian Burke did nothing when he came on.
Would the hand trip not been accidental, I thought he was going down on the ball and Maher kicked through it, and he then tapped the ankle.
Galway were actually stronger last year.
Maybe what ails Walsh will be demystified.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 23, 2023, 07:40:02 PM
Going by Galway's scoring this year against div 1 opposition in league and championship you won't need you 17-18 points to win this Sunday.
2-8,0-8,0-16,1-9,1-13,1-8,1-13,0-11,1-13,0-16, and 1-12 that's an average of 14 points per game. I'd expect an slugfest of a contest where a score line of 1-11 will likely be enough to win.
Turned out as I expected. Comer today going off didn't help but Galway next year will have to change their system to get more scores out of their team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 04:55:27 PM
Galway were actually stronger last year.
Everyone was fit and available last year. Apart from Cooke who came back.
Silke and Molloy missing before a ball was kicked this year. Comer, Finnerty, McHugh, Patrick Kelly have been battling knocks all year. Sean Kelly on one good leg today. Unfortunately it caught up with us eventually. Even if we had sneaked a win today we would have been struggling next week.
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2023, 04:58:15 PM
Maybe what ails Walsh will be demystified.
These things are cycles.
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Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Did you think so? I thought he was inconsistent and didn't apply the rules. Two clear black cards he gave yellows for (the hand trip and the dissent). Also when his own county can be impacted by the result in the next round he shouldn't have been refereeing.
So was he on the phone to Logan/Dooher this morning to check which team they wanted to win? Jesus wept.
No he doesn't have to be but he shouldn't be in a position where anyone could have that complaint. There was no need for it. I notice that all neutral venues used last week and for Kildare were from counties not involved in the All Ireland series. I understood the reason for that was to avoid suggestions that counties may benefit from playing somewhere twice. Why does the same not apply.
Quote from: 5times5times on June 25, 2023, 04:33:28 PM
Will ODonoghue be cited for the stamp on Kelly?
Imagine the outrage if Tyrone or Armagh player who done it.
Nothing in that incident.
https://twitter.com/smallerfishgaa/status/1672984041337888768?s=21&t=2GDQFdNTcwvadNcU_6zV6Q
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 25, 2023, 04:54:45 PM
Would the hand trip not been accidental, I thought he was going down on the ball and Maher kicked through it, and he then tapped the ankle.
It didn't look accidental to me but if it was accidental then why yellow?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 25, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
Mad game of football.
Galway similar to Roscommon yesterday. Too much interest in systems, shapes and damage protection. A lack of positive intent and it cost them dearly.
Mayo looked like they were going to motor ahead 10 mins into second half but they fell victim to the same fear of losing. That and getting destroyed at midfield.
No matter who Mayo draw next they need Ruane back. Galway probably bigger than any team they might face in a QF, but I don't think I've ever seen a Mayo team so comprehensively slaughtered at midfield. They also need do put Eoin McLaughlin on ice somewhere. He seems like a genuinely brilliant lad, but he's the living embodiment of Donal Vaughan and Mayo don't need that self exploding disadvantage going to Croke Park.
In the first half you mean
And the last 10-12 mins too.
Was Ruane carrying an injury? Will surely start the next day.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 05:20:12 PM
Was Ruane carrying an injury? Will surely start the next day.
he hasn't had a great year to be honest so wouldn't be surprised if he was just dropped. he's a terrible fielder of a ball.
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Quote from: Gael85 on June 25, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Did you think so? I thought he was inconsistent and didn't apply the rules. Two clear black cards he gave yellows for (the hand trip and the dissent). Also when his own county can be impacted by the result in the next round he shouldn't have been refereeing.
So was he on the phone to Logan/Dooher this morning to check which team they wanted to win? Jesus wept.
No he doesn't have to be but he shouldn't be in a position where anyone could have that complaint. There was no need for it. I notice that all neutral venues used last week and for Kildare were from counties not involved in the All Ireland series. I understood the reason for that was to avoid suggestions that counties may benefit from playing somewhere twice. Why does the same not apply.
So talk me through the various scenarios where Tyrone would be impacted by the result today? I could understand it if they could face one or Mayo or Galway but they can't.
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Galway trained in pearse stadium last night Tuesday, was only looking through the gate but no sign of the injured players and Shane Walsh did not participate in the training but was on the sideline.😳
Would not be surprised to find out when Galway exit that there is something off injury wise with Walsh, not taking any frees/45s off the ground in warm ups or during games is a huge red flag at the minute.
I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle turnarounds on injuries giving that you are taking days and not weeks in this championship format, the consequence of not having the week break to better facilitate getting players back on the pitch for a knock out match is huge.
Personally I think it's highly unlikely that Galway will have enough to beat Mayo with those key players out and Walsh out of form, probably couldn't pick two lads it would be worse to be without than Kelly and Comer to be honest, but they will have to go with whoever is fit and it's up to them to take their chance and show that they can win a match for their county, if they aren't good enough then so be it but go down swinging at least.
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Won't get many more "real" and drama weekends in this championship than last weekend. Mayo v Cork,Kildare v Roscommon,Donegal v Monaghan, Westmeath v Tyrone and Galway v Armagh producing unexpected results according by the bookie odds and their pundits.
Did any of the teams on the wrong side of each result, get knocked out of the Championship?
Did the winning teams have more to play for?
Do you consider that real championship?
They didn't get knocked out but in hindsight the Mayo and Galway games were huge at the weekend. Winnable games that should have saw them progress to the quarter finals.
Now they are faced with a really difficult knockout game and a tough quarter final the week after. They've both significantly reduced their All Ireland chances.
There has been plenty of meaningless games during the year, the ones on Sunday were far from it.
Agree completely with this, I was fuming leaving Carrick on Shannon Sunday, I felt that whatever chance Galway had of getting back to the final had been lost for the year.
The bar for both Galway and Mayo was making a semi-final this year and seeing where it might go from there. Both have made it far harder than it could, and should, have been. The ask has gone from winning one match against a team coming in for their 3rd week on week game (remember that they changed the Munster and Leinster hurling round robin structure to avoid any team having to play 3 weeks in a row because those teams were all underperforming and getting pasted in the 3rd game) to having to beat another Division 1 team that was in this year's league final and then beating a rested Derry, Dublin, Kerry or Armagh. Just to even get to the semi-final. Those games last weekend were huge.
Par for the course, AFA. Imagine Statler and Waldorf in maroon jerseys transported to Pearse Stadium. At least you are consistent.
This is a huge challenge for Galway but if they get over it the path is clear. I wouldn't write them off on the basis of last Sunday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
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Is that Seafoid guy ever right?
No but his name let's you know ahead of time!Season ended last week as was obvious to anyone, not going to win matches with lads injured and having to tog out playing due to some do or die game that we shouldn't even have been playing in. Chances like last year are hard to get for Galway, no need to make anything more difficult in terms of getting back.
If Shane Walsh isn't carrying some form of injury then he needs to take some time to consider where his head is at, his missed frees have put Galway out of the championship, today and last week. Not kicking anything off the deck into that wind was bananas unless he just can't do it.
Galway made a bags of a great position in the group, the danger was always there when the feet weren't up this weekend. Even if we somehow scraped through there then would have been beaten next week given the direction of travel and the lads out, feel bad for Kelly having to go out there today and clearly nowhere near fit.
Goal was always going to be the key score, Mayo finished their chance and Galway didn't, sin é.
I don't think there's a Sam in that Mayo team either but if they get a good draw you wouldn't write them off going on a run, have the pace for CP anyway.
Have to laugh when Mayo pull a big victory off , the revert to "there's no all Ireland in Mayo " by the opposing supporters is ridiculous. We just knocked ye out of the championship for goodness sake
Well I tell ya this much we'd win an all Ireland if we had to play your lot in the final .2019, 2020 , 2021, 2023 and some still say the tide has turned out west .
Well I didn't think there was one in Galway looking at that performance and there was f**k all in that match, didn't see some seismic brilliance in Mayo today but also said I wouldn't write them off going on a run in CP either, which you chose to ignore of course.
I'd say best of luck to Mayo but I wouldn't mean a bit of it.
There is one thing you can't take for granted and that is building on a good previous year.
There is a lot of luck involved in getting to an AI final.
Galway have been as good, if not better than Mayo in their last two encounters.
But they have looked laboured and disjointed in trying to put Mayo to the sword.
Mayo are where they always end up, They know how to consistently get to these places.
But falter when the proper deal should be done.
Luck in needed in the quarter-final draw for Mayo progress further.
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An Enjoyable game. Well done to Mayo and refereed excellently by Sean Hurson.
Did you think so? I thought he was inconsistent and didn't apply the rules. Two clear black cards he gave yellows for (the hand trip and the dissent). Also when his own county can be impacted by the result in the next round he shouldn't have been refereeing.
So was he on the phone to Logan/Dooher this morning to check which team they wanted to win? Jesus wept.
No he doesn't have to be but he shouldn't be in a position where anyone could have that complaint. There was no need for it. I notice that all neutral venues used last week and for Kildare were from counties not involved in the All Ireland series. I understood the reason for that was to avoid suggestions that counties may benefit from playing somewhere twice. Why does the same not apply.
So talk me through the various scenarios where Tyrone would be impacted by the result today? I could understand it if they could face one or Mayo or Galway but they can't.
Well the odds now make it that Tyrone have a 50% of playing Kerry. Had Galway won then Tyrone would have had a 33.3% of playing Kerry. I could go through all the permutations if you like but the point is that the result of this game directly impacted on the chances for all other counties as to who they could draw.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
There is one thing you can't take for granted and that is building on a good previous year.
There is a lot of luck involved in getting to an AI final.
Galway have been as good, if not better than Mayo in their last two encounters.
But they have looked laboured and disjointed in trying to put Mayo to the sword.
Mayo are where they always end up, They know how to consistently get to these places.
But falter when the proper deal should be done.
Luck in needed in the quarter-final draw for Mayo progress further.
mayo were the better team in the league final, no doubt.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
There is one thing you can't take for granted and that is building on a good previous year.
There is a lot of luck involved in getting to an AI final.
Galway have been as good, if not better than Mayo in their last two encounters.
But they have looked laboured and disjointed in trying to put Mayo to the sword.
Mayo are where they always end up, They know how to consistently get to these places.
But falter when the proper deal should be done.
Luck in needed in the quarter-final draw for Mayo progress further.
Luck needed? Who do you want, Armagh i assume?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
There is one thing you can't take for granted and that is building on a good previous year.
There is a lot of luck involved in getting to an AI final.
Galway have been as good, if not better than Mayo in their last two encounters.
But they have looked laboured and disjointed in trying to put Mayo to the sword.
Mayo are where they always end up, They know how to consistently get to these places.
But falter when the proper deal should be done.
Luck in needed in the quarter-final draw for Mayo progress further.
Luck needed? Who do you want, Armagh i assume?
Armagh would do, they are behind Dublin and Derry, but only slightly.
This AI stuff is still new to them.
You always want to avoid the Dubs who are playing at home and know the score at AI competition level.
But mainly because I don't think this Mayo team are that great.
Quote from: seafoid on June 25, 2023, 04:58:15 PM
Maybe what ails Walsh will be demystified.
I think it's simply that he has reverted to his norm. He has had one outstanding display on the national stage and a few glimpses here and there throughout his career. Outrageous display that day, but apart from that??
As I recall there weren't too many on here who even thought he'd get an all star ahead of AIF last year.
Quote from: befair on June 25, 2023, 03:47:25 PM
Mayo poor, even allowing for the wind, bu they've surprised us before.
BTW, yet again, two teams with dark jerseys + white shorts.
More consideration needed for the elderly and visually-impaired, more contrast needed in the colours (esp without HD on RTE1)
Even with HD it was very hard to make out who was who
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Mayo poor, even allowing for the wind, bu they've surprised us before.
BTW, yet again, two teams with dark jerseys + white shorts.
More consideration needed for the elderly and visually-impaired, more contrast needed in the colours (esp without HD on RTE1)
Even with HD it was very hard to make out who was who
Yes there was a lot of guessing when player came out of a ruck of players with the ball.
Another fine margin contest the 3rd of the 4 preliminary Quarter finals this weekend.
Galway v Mayo was always going to be a low scoring match I felt, Galway haven't been scoring high against Div 1 teams all year and Mayo probably a little unsure about themselves after letting a healthy lead slip to Cork a week ago. The team that did best and was most accurate with the wind advantage won and clearly in a game like that a goal was going to be key. Interesting McStay said after the game that none of his late changes was injury related and that 3 of his late changes was because of the wind, O'Hora out with an Illness and needed players with the most energy on the field for the 2nd half.
Galway messed up the most last week by not topping the group but reaching the AI final last year and not even reaching the last 8 now is a big regression. Mayo of 2013 to 2017 would have loved the schedule ahead of them but I'm less sure about the current crop though a win next weekend would be achievement in itself when you take into account it will be their 3rd game in 14 days and up against a rested Armagh,Derry or Dublin.
Feel sorry for Galway had a 100 percent record, prior to last weekend. Beaten by a mediocre Armagh team who were having a poor year. Really should have gotten a result in Carrick. Should have had the feet up this weekend, looking at potential opposition for next weekend. Instead Mayo were knocking them out in the worst venue for football in the country. Galway are to good to be out at this stage.
I cant see Monaghan or Armagh making much of an impact. Tyrone dark horses, came within an inch of being knocked out by Westmeath. Decent even enough championship ahead, the winners this weekend should get an extra week to recover. Really interesting to see how Cork get on. They dont have to many stars, but look very fresh.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2023, 09:51:30 PM
Another fine margin contest the 3rd of the 4 preliminary Quarter finals this weekend.
Galway v Mayo was always going to be a low scoring match I felt, Galway haven't been scoring high against Div 1 teams all year and Mayo probably a little unsure about themselves after letting a healthy lead slip to Cork a week ago. The team that did best and was most accurate with the wind advantage won and clearly in a game like that a goal was going to be key. Interesting McStay said after the game that none of his late changes was injury related and that 3 of his late changes was because of the wind, O'Hora out with an Illness and needed players with the most energy on the field for the 2nd half.
Galway messed up the most last week by not topping the group but reaching the AI final last year and not even reaching the last 8 now is a big regression. Mayo of 2013 to 2017 would have loved the schedule ahead of them but I'm less sure about the current crop though a win next weekend would be achievement in itself when you take into account it will be their 3rd game in 14 days and up against a rested Armagh,Derry or Dublin.
Galway and Mayo messed up. Mayo winning today means the have another week to rectify the mess they have got into. But they'll have knocks, bruises and injuries. They'll also be less fresher than their opponents and this will tell in the closing stages next week.
They have also done the Dubs and Kerry a favour by knocking out a major threat to their season.
I think Mayo have the best panel of all of the teams left, problem is management just dont seem to know how to use them properly.
Have the best management team left as well, see above
I think Dublin might be the best draw for Mayo, two things for sure, cant handle any sort of blanket and cant handle being favourites against an underdog and based on the odds would be favourite versus Armagh or Derry, who will both
If Mayo get Derry then I think Derry have a great chance, I think Mayo will get Derry, just a feeling.
And on the Ryan O'Donoghue furor, you cant see him actually make contact with anything so if thats some sort of ban then its going to be CCCC and the high court a la Dublin and the peak Diarmuid Connolly days.
People losing their shit on social media on it, its turned into a "stamp" now apparently, mainly because of Parkinsons leading comment posting the tweet.
We dont do this sort of thing in GAA despite lads getting thumps and belts in the opening moments of championship matches week in and week out up and down the country.
Would O'Se be calling this if a lad from his own county was involved?
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/tomas-ose-mayo-galway-560902?fbclid=IwAR14YBL-r3rGt5h6nMOpjGpNA0ZzWDjdZwJ3HQTPnI9v10zNZOlBxOkIpi8
At some stage in the match, not sure when, McDaid did something similar to AOS, exact same as the ROD incident, hopefully someone can dig that one out to even up things. In any case Putting that shite up
On Twitter is childish, always looks worse in slow motion, it was handbags
Happened right in front of us. Seán Kelly was roughing up the smaller lighter Enda Hession before start of 2nd half, O'Donoghue goes in to make life a bit more awkward for Kelly as his team mate getting the bully treatment. Kelly was fine.
I really enjoyed the game, thought Mayo a tad fortunate to get over the line, but as a Dub I'd definitely fear them more than Galway, especially with injuries. Highlight of the match was Cillian's point with his first touch. He may be a little over the hill now, but still top class and while a part of me would hate to see him win Sam, I also believe he fully deserves a Celtic cross.
Paddy Durcan is awesome. Bar scoring forwards, he is the best player in the country, or as the yanks might say, the best half back in the world!
Don't understand this pulling and dragged crap before each half, zero point in it. Another thing the ref should be calling fouls on players blocking of men contesting a clean throw up.at the start of each half. Finally, there too much cheating going on in Gaelic football. Don't know how any them lads could associate with each at events like the all_stars, how u respect a player lying down trying get you send off or some particular insults in a game.
Quotethought Mayo a tad fortunate to get over the line,
100% if Tierney (I think) got the goal, (great save again by Reape) then we were dust again. We got Galway at a great time (unfortunate for them to be fair) and even at that their star performers didn't perform.
We have loads of improvement needed to win next weekend, no matter how the draw goes.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2023, 07:05:13 AM
I really enjoyed the game, thought Mayo a tad fortunate to get over the line, but as a Dub I'd definitely fear them more than Galway, especially with injuries. Highlight of the match was Cillian's point with his first touch. He may be a little over the hill now, but still top class and while a part of me would hate to see him win Sam, I also believe he fully deserves a Celtic cross.
Paddy Durcan is awesome. Bar scoring forwards, he is the best player in the country, or as the yanks might say, the best half back in the world!
Well you'll get to test your theory and only one team will survive out of two contenders for Sam.
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
I remember a lot of Galway championship exits but none down to injuries. With matches every week there is no recovery time. In 2001 there was a 2 week break between matches.
There will be a lot of variability year to year under the new system. Next year with most of the injuries healed they could be unbeatable.
Thought it was a proper championship match, ferocious tackling at times, a bit of needle and a decent atmosphere. It proved that the proper gauge for measuring the quality match does not have to be loads of scores as long as the contest is tight with a bit of physicality. I don't buy the theory about teams getting an extra weeks rest being in a better position either. Mayo will be battle hardened going into next weeks games and 7 days is the ideal turnaround. We often hear soccer managers talk about getting match rhythm and I think the same can apply to gaelic football.
Shane Walsh looks as though he has dined out on one good performance in last years AI final. No doubting his ability but he failed to deliver yet again in a big match and has had a very poor season. That free kick routine would drive you bonkers, just put the ball down and kick it over the bar and less of the theatrics.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
The best thing for Galway now is a bit of time, for the injuries but also for players who need a reset and for the search for more players. Next year another county could get the injuries.
There isn't any hegemonic team like Dublin 2015-20. There are going to be All Irelands available.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
The best thing for Galway now is a bit of time, for the injuries but also for players who need a reset and for the search for more players. Next year another county could get the injuries.
There isn't any hegemonic team like Dublin 2015-20. There are going to be All Irelands available.
it's been hit at Armagh all year however Galway were too focused on their defensive system making them a low scoring team also injuries happen especially in the congested season and you need to trust your bench did Galway management do that? starting injured players yesterday suggests not.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 26, 2023, 10:37:29 AM
I don't buy the theory about teams getting an extra weeks rest being in a better position either. Mayo will be battle hardened going into next weeks games and 7 days is the ideal turnaround.
Not just a 7 day turnaround but for Mayo a 3rd game in 14 days against a rested Dublin. In Mayo's favour they don't seem to have got any injuries and should have conditioning to be competitive and cope better than some of the others 4 winners at the weekend.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
Galway forwards are the reason we're out, the less heralded defence held the opposition to a fairly reasonable score in every match this year, certainly to the level that an attack that is functioning correctly would have been able to get the job done and Galway have had the chances, it's not like the system didn't allow them to create (although it could be a lot better in this respect certainly) at all, there was more than enough chances available to win that match yesterday and against Armagh last week. If nothing was altered bar the return from frees then we were fine. This is why we made the final last year, a good shot conversion ratio from play and Shane Walsh nailing nearly every single free and 45. Our goal conversion ratio from shots has been absolutely terrible and so costly, couldn't even convert a peno, those free misses from Walsh in the first half yesterday were beyond shocking, an U15 would have kicked them over wind assisted.
Midfield destroyed Mayo from restarts yesterday for large parts of the game so really the appalling standard of shooting throughout was the undoing.
McHugh's importance to the team and how he assists scores with runs into opposition territory was only highlighted by his absence in the Armagh and Mayo matches, but if lads are injured (even the players you can't do without really) you have to trust the bench and see how it goes, Maher and McGrath really stepped up this year when they got opportunities. Sean Kelly shouldn't have been out there.
Should have been some changes up front as well really. Johnny Heaney has been a great player for Galway but has been well down on his usual levels this championship, Tierney hasn't made the leap that he looked to have in him from the league, should have converted his goal chance. Burke is done, nice cameo in the Rossie game but his return was overstated. Cooke improved throughout the year but no guarantee he'll be back next year due to work. We need to find a few new lads up front, will be difficult.
It's fairly clear that up front Galway go as Comer's health goes at this stage, there's no focus up there whatsoever without him. Shane Walsh, well it's been said already but he doesn't need to hit the AI final performance every day, just be middling good is enough, couple of points from play, occupy a few defenders to give space elsewhere at least and just kick all the frees. He was miles off it for whatever reason.
Don't know what Paul Conroy will do but he was better yesterday than a lot of his younger team mates who have way more in the legs, I don't know how he'd have faired out in CP at this stage but you couldn't fault the application and effort for Galway, he's 15 years plugging away and a lot of that time in terrible Galway teams, I can recall a day that we'd have been knocked out of the championship to Waterford only for him.
Didn't see SG but I hear PJ was moaning about the ref again, absolutely crazy stuff, Hurson had no bearing on the result yesterday at all from what I saw and I wouldn't give the officials much blame over missing the tr**p that targeted Kelly's ankle with a kick, was off the ball prior to throw in, very hard to see everything in fairness.
PJ's comments to the press corp directly after the game that I did hear were more like it, said it was Galway's own fault, didn't score enough which is entirely accurate and leave it at that. I get that he is a bad loser, which is fine to a point, but yesterday wasn't a match impacted by the officials, there was no huge incident that they got wrong, it wasn't some total incompetent like Jerome Henry out there.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 10:52:58 AM
The best thing for Galway now is a bit of time, for the injuries but also for players who need a reset and for the search for more players. Next year another county could get the injuries.
There isn't any hegemonic team like Dublin 2015-20. There are going to be All Irelands available.
You keep saying that as if it's a guarantee they will get back there, we didn't even make a Q final this year after throwing away a commanding position in the group, the best thing for Galway was to build on last year and try to become a more consistent championship team. Other teams will improve as well, it's only Kerry and Dublin that can think like this about available All Irelands. Galway got a few decent new players for the squad this year out of it but up front it's been a real regression, and getting lads that can kick the ball over the bar consistently is the hardest thing to find.
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Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
Galway forwards are the reason we're out, the less heralded defence held the opposition to a fairly reasonable score in every match this year, certainly to the level that an attack that is functioning correctly would have been able to get the job done and Galway have had the chances, it's not like the system didn't allow them to create (although it could be a lot better in this respect certainly) at all, there was more than enough chances available to win that match yesterday and against Armagh last week. If nothing was altered bar the return from frees then we were fine. This is why we made the final last year, a good shot conversion ratio from play and Shane Walsh nailing nearly every single free and 45. Our goal conversion ratio from shots has been absolutely terrible and so costly, couldn't even convert a peno, those free misses from Walsh in the first half yesterday were beyond shocking, an U15 would have kicked them over wind assisted.
Midfield destroyed Mayo from restarts yesterday for large parts of the game so really the appalling standard of shooting throughout was the undoing.
McHugh's importance to the team and how he assists scores with runs into opposition territory was only highlighted by his absence in the Armagh and Mayo matches, but if lads are injured (even the players you can't do without really) you have to trust the bench and see how it goes, Maher and McGrath really stepped up this year when they got opportunities. Sean Kelly shouldn't have been out there.
Should have been some changes up front as well really. Johnny Heaney has been a great player for Galway but has been well down on his usual levels this championship, Tierney hasn't made the leap that he looked to have in him from the league, should have converted his goal chance. Burke is done, nice cameo in the Rossie game but his return was overstated. Cooke improved throughout the year but no guarantee he'll be back next year due to work. We need to find a few new lads up front, will be difficult.
It's fairly clear that up front Galway go as Comer's health goes at this stage, there's no focus up there whatsoever without him. Shane Walsh, well it's been said already but he doesn't need to hit the AI final performance every day, just be middling good is enough, couple of points from play, occupy a few defenders to give space elsewhere at least and just kick all the frees. He was miles off it for whatever reason.
Don't know what Paul Conroy will do but he was better yesterday than a lot of his younger team mates who have way more in the legs, I don't know how he'd have faired out in CP at this stage but you couldn't fault the application and effort for Galway, he's 15 years plugging away and a lot of that time in terrible Galway teams, I can recall a day that we'd have been knocked out of the championship to Waterford only for him.
Didn't see SG but I hear PJ was moaning about the ref again, absolutely crazy stuff, Hurson had no bearing on the result yesterday at all from what I saw and I wouldn't give the officials much blame over missing the tr**p that targeted Kelly's ankle with a kick, was off the ball prior to throw in, very hard to see everything in fairness.
PJ's comments to the press corp directly after the game that I did hear were more like it, said it was Galway's own fault, didn't score enough which is entirely accurate and leave it at that. I get that he is a bad loser, which is fine to a point, but yesterday wasn't a match impacted by the officials, there was no huge incident that they got wrong, it wasn't some total incompetent like Jerome Henry out there.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 10:52:58 AM
The best thing for Galway now is a bit of time, for the injuries but also for players who need a reset and for the search for more players. Next year another county could get the injuries.
There isn't any hegemonic team like Dublin 2015-20. There are going to be All Irelands available.
You keep saying that as if it's a guarantee they will get back there, we didn't even make a Q final this year after throwing away a commanding position in the group, the best thing for Galway was to build on last year and try to become a more consistent championship team. Other teams will improve as well, it's only Kerry and Dublin that can think like this about available All Irelands. Galway got a few decent new players for the squad this year out of it but up front it's been a real regression, and getting lads that can kick the ball over the bar consistently is the hardest thing to find.
The system is new for everyone. The congested timing punishes injuries. The squad next year will have to be designed with this in mind.
Not so long ago Kelly was playing in the corner until Mulkerrin got injured. We need to find a player or 2 like him who can make the step up.
All of the competitors are flawed in different ways. At the very least we should be in with a shout.
Injuries finally caught up with them year. No Silke or Molloy before a ball was kicked. Dylan McHugh barely played in championship. That's half of last year's starting defence gone. Patrick Kelly another who started last year's All-Ireland final who missed the entire championship through injury. Finnerty was in and out with niggles all year. The injuries to Comer and Kelly finished them though. No team can afford to lose their best two players like that. While they both started neither was anywhere near right. Whatever chance they had went once they blew the Armagh game. Maybe a week off could have got them fitter but once they had to tog out again this week it was going to be very tough. Those two fit and I'm relatively confident they would have beaten Mayo. Whether there would have been anything left in the tank for next week is another story.
Walsh's poor form a big problem also. His free taking was excellent last year but he missed a scatter of frees this year. The two he missed in front of the posts with the wind at his back in the first half yesterday were criminal. He seemed distracted and out of sorts all year. Needs to sort his head out as he's no spring chicken any more. Heaney never really got going this year. Ian Burke looked increasingly ineffectual. His lack of physicality and pace standing out in the tougher games. All he does is recycle the ball back out the field. Not really enough these days. Tierney had his moments but very up and down. Still young though and will be a big player going forward.
On the plus side Galway have two good corner-backs for the first time in a very long time. If anything McGrath was even better than Glynn this year. He done a right job on some very good forwards and was on his way to an All-Star nomination but probably won't get one now. Maher a great find in midfield. Young Sweeney good for the most part. Cooke got better and better as the year went on. Despite a couple bad turnovers in the 2nd half yesterday. Will he even be available next year though? He's often abroad due to work. The management will definitely want him around. Our finishing was poor enough this year. Lost count of how many goal chances we butchered. I counted 6 good goal chances over last two games against Mayo and 0 goals actually scored. Combine that with a serious dip in the free taking this year and Galway have been leaving far too many scores behind them.
Joyce has had 1 good season and 3 less than impressive ones, he's definitely improved Galway football as a whole and brought the buzz back. Big vocal Galway crowd in Salthill yesterday waiting for Galway to catch fire but the 2023 version under PJ is a lot duller than previous incarnations and feels like it's their undoing.
Having +2 back in defense makes heroes out of inexperienced defenders and in reality with the dominance Galway enjoyed in middle third being outgunned by Mayo is a big role reversal to the days where in Galway broke 45/55 with Mayo they invariably won. Appreciate it's a different game these days but some habits are hard to break. PJ blaming ref once more and injuries doesn't cast him in any great light, bitter and deflective perhaps. Winning tight games is an art and one Mayo are no masters of but 3 wins and a draw v Galway this year says something.
The bitterness that has transferred to games has not avoided this fixture, some awful crap being spun on all sides. Surprised An Fhairce's finest resorting to calling out O'Donoghue as a tr**p, not many innocents out there yesterday. Kelly bravely started on the much lighter Hession and was rightly taken to task about it, Kelly was fine afterwards and the game started. Sounds like you are out for your pound of flesh.
Met many a Galway supporter yesterday and only the finest of craic and slagging, few unhappy relations but they enjoyed Shane Walsh shooting long range frees in Castlebar last summer to lead by 6 with 5 minutes remaining to fall over the line by 1.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2023, 02:54:49 PM
Injuries finally caught up with them year. No Silke or Molloy before a ball was kicked. Dylan McHugh barely played in championship. That's half of last year's starting defence gone. Patrick Kelly another who started last year's All-Ireland final who missed the entire championship through injury. Finnerty was in and out with niggles all year. The injuries to Comer and Kelly finished them though. No team can afford to lose their best two players like that. While they both started neither was anywhere near right. Whatever chance they had went once they blew the Armagh game. Maybe a week off could have got them fitter but once they had to tog out again this week it was going to be very tough. Those two fit and I'm relatively confident they would have beaten Mayo. Whether there would have been anything left in the tank for next week is another story.
Walsh's poor form a big problem also. His free taking was excellent last year but he missed a scatter of frees this year. The two he missed in front of the posts with the wind at his back in the first half yesterday were criminal. He seemed distracted and out of sorts all year. Needs to sort his head out as he's no spring chicken any more. Heaney never really got going this year. Ian Burke looked increasingly ineffectual. His lack of physicality and pace standing out in the tougher games. All he does is recycle the ball back out the field. Not really enough these days. Tierney had his moments but very up and down. Still young though and will be a big player going forward.
On the plus side Galway have two good corner-backs for the first time in a very long time. If anything McGrath was even better than Glynn this year. He done a right job on some very good forwards and was on his way to an All-Star nomination but probably won't get one now. Maher a great find in midfield. Young Sweeney good for the most part. Cooke got better and better as the year went on. Despite a couple bad turnovers in the 2nd half yesterday. Will he even be available next year though? He's often abroad due to work. The management will definitely want him around. Our finishing was poor enough this year. Lost count of how many goal chances we butchered. I counted 6 good goal chances over last two games against Mayo and 0 goals actually scored. Combine that with a serious dip in the free taking this year and Galway have been leaving far too many scores behind them.
Galway suffered more injuries then most this year, I know Mayo suffered a lot last year and Horn put that down to a mixture of issues with pitches and a new medical team. I'm sure it will be looked at internally.
McGrath has been brilliant, Glynn didn't hit the heights of last year but Silke, Molloy, McHugh and O'Flaherty will huge depth to that backline. Lets hope Cooke stays, took him a while to get going this season which is down too him been away from the setup last year.
Comer has only been fully fit for 2 of the last 6 seasons and its no coincidence they were both when Galway went very well. Desperately need a bit of new blood in the forwards and have to find a way of playing without Comer. I've always thought McDaid possesses the attributes to play full forward. Patrick Kelly too could offer something in there, huge shame he's injured as I reckon he'll improve the more football he plays at this level. I hope Culhane can kick on, still looks like he'll need to improve physically given his lack of pace; Galway certainly due to find a forward from somewhere.
Some Mayo people have lost leave of their senses defending what was a trampish act, huge difference between grappling with an opponent as opposed to what he did.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 26, 2023, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 26, 2023, 10:16:48 AM
Disappointed but as AFA states the dream died last week, when you've as many injuries as Galway they needed to top the group. Only 10 from last years final started and then add that Kelly & Comer weren't fit it was always going to difficult.
Very ironic how well Galway did on kickouts yesterday, easily the best day under Joyce considering the opposition. Galway had a lot more possession & shots but the profligacy in the first half really cost Galway which has been a familiar theme this year, so many missed easy goal chances have been missed and yesterday was no different.
Mayo were 100/30 with PP at half time which I thought was crazy, they were still even money after the goal went in. No place in the game for what O'Donoghue did and he's lucky its not been completely caught on camera, Flynn tried kicking Kelly too which is a red card offence.
Galway have nobody to blame but themselves anyway, they were unlucky with the injuries but given the amount of them I'm sure they'll take a look and see if they can do something different next year.
Galway forwards are the reason we're out, the less heralded defence held the opposition to a fairly reasonable score in every match this year, certainly to the level that an attack that is functioning correctly would have been able to get the job done and Galway have had the chances, it's not like the system didn't allow them to create (although it could be a lot better in this respect certainly) at all, there was more than enough chances available to win that match yesterday and against Armagh last week. If nothing was altered bar the return from frees then we were fine. This is why we made the final last year, a good shot conversion ratio from play and Shane Walsh nailing nearly every single free and 45. Our goal conversion ratio from shots has been absolutely terrible and so costly, couldn't even convert a peno, those free misses from Walsh in the first half yesterday were beyond shocking, an U15 would have kicked them over wind assisted.
Midfield destroyed Mayo from restarts yesterday for large parts of the game so really the appalling standard of shooting throughout was the undoing.
McHugh's importance to the team and how he assists scores with runs into opposition territory was only highlighted by his absence in the Armagh and Mayo matches, but if lads are injured (even the players you can't do without really) you have to trust the bench and see how it goes, Maher and McGrath really stepped up this year when they got opportunities. Sean Kelly shouldn't have been out there.
Should have been some changes up front as well really. Johnny Heaney has been a great player for Galway but has been well down on his usual levels this championship, Tierney hasn't made the leap that he looked to have in him from the league, should have converted his goal chance. Burke is done, nice cameo in the Rossie game but his return was overstated. Cooke improved throughout the year but no guarantee he'll be back next year due to work. We need to find a few new lads up front, will be difficult.
It's fairly clear that up front Galway go as Comer's health goes at this stage, there's no focus up there whatsoever without him. Shane Walsh, well it's been said already but he doesn't need to hit the AI final performance every day, just be middling good is enough, couple of points from play, occupy a few defenders to give space elsewhere at least and just kick all the frees. He was miles off it for whatever reason.
Don't know what Paul Conroy will do but he was better yesterday than a lot of his younger team mates who have way more in the legs, I don't know how he'd have faired out in CP at this stage but you couldn't fault the application and effort for Galway, he's 15 years plugging away and a lot of that time in terrible Galway teams, I can recall a day that we'd have been knocked out of the championship to Waterford only for him.
Didn't see SG but I hear PJ was moaning about the ref again, absolutely crazy stuff, Hurson had no bearing on the result yesterday at all from what I saw and I wouldn't give the officials much blame over missing the tr**p that targeted Kelly's ankle with a kick, was off the ball prior to throw in, very hard to see everything in fairness.
PJ's comments to the press corp directly after the game that I did hear were more like it, said it was Galway's own fault, didn't score enough which is entirely accurate and leave it at that. I get that he is a bad loser, which is fine to a point, but yesterday wasn't a match impacted by the officials, there was no huge incident that they got wrong, it wasn't some total incompetent like Jerome Henry out there.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 10:52:58 AM
The best thing for Galway now is a bit of time, for the injuries but also for players who need a reset and for the search for more players. Next year another county could get the injuries.
There isn't any hegemonic team like Dublin 2015-20. There are going to be All Irelands available.
You keep saying that as if it's a guarantee they will get back there, we didn't even make a Q final this year after throwing away a commanding position in the group, the best thing for Galway was to build on last year and try to become a more consistent championship team. Other teams will improve as well, it's only Kerry and Dublin that can think like this about available All Irelands. Galway got a few decent new players for the squad this year out of it but up front it's been a real regression, and getting lads that can kick the ball over the bar consistently is the hardest thing to find.
And it's difficult to see where those scoring forwards are going to come from.
Any stand out club forwards are in there already, apart maybe from Adrian Varley.
We are far more reliant on Damo than Shane. Damo performs the majority of the time whereas Shane is the opposite.
As you say though if he just nails his frees this year and does nothing else - then we would be resting up this weekend and already qualified for the quarter final.
We have a solid base to build on though for once which had to give us some cause for optimism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-35cMdd90&t=1140s
Quote from: fearsiuil on June 26, 2023, 03:12:15 PM
The bitterness that has transferred to games has not avoided this fixture, some awful crap being spun on all sides. Surprised An Fhairce's finest resorting to calling out O'Donoghue as a tr**p, not many innocents out there yesterday. Kelly bravely started on the much lighter Hession and was rightly taken to task about it, Kelly was fine afterwards and the game started. Sounds like you are out for your pound of flesh.
Whatever about anything else the bit bolded is completely incorrect although I can see the ironic usage which I'm sure was the intention.
No one is looking for angels or innocents on the pitch, will win nothing with that, cynicism is a fact of life for successful teams but there's degrees here, surely we must be realistic about that.
Are we really trying to deceive ourselves as to what we saw yesterday, to me a comparison of the usual jersey tugging and grabbing that we see in every single IC match with a lad looking down and clearly trying to draw a kick/stamp on a players ankle that he knows is already injured is absurd. If there was just the dunt into the back and that's all he did then obviously there wouldn't be a word about it. To me the follow action was one of a tr**p and I called it as such. Mayo people everywhere today are defending their man regardless of what happened or just saying nothing happened at all, as is the case with all of these things it seems nowadays.
If a Galway player does similar in a match and I don't call it out in the same terms and express disappointment that they would even think to do it, then by all means return here and absolutely call me out on rank hypocrisy, I will deserve every bit of it. I see no reason whatsoever to describe that Mayo player in any other fashion, that's what those actions are. If he's some hero in Mayo people's eyes for the those same actions as apparently Hession was in such mortal danger out there, then they are free to do that also.
Mayo deserved the win yesterday as they put away their chances and Galway the architects of our own destruction with a pathetic return on shots. That is the truth of it as I see it also.
Joyce was very quick to blame the officials for the defeat, felt they had no one to blame but themselves given some of the poor wides they had in first half, their dominance on the Mayo kickout in the first half and Tierneys botched goal chance were the reasons for the loss.
Quote from: statto on June 26, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
Joyce was very quick to blame the officials for the defeat, felt they had no one to blame but themselves given some of the poor wides they had in first half, their dominance on the Mayo kickout in the first half and Tierneys botched goal chance were the reasons for the loss.
His comments to the general media gave a different impression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m7CqIXwIT8&t=354s
ROD was born to run, lets leave it at that. It's time our lads got some of the old "nastiness", as Tomas O'Shea would call it, back. We were too soft up until now, but that was likely due to the nature of the fixtures more than anything.
Phone footage from the crowd of the stamp/foot rake going around. From the reverse angle. Not good. I think the intent is fairly clear. I get the desperation to win but that kind of stuff goes over the line. IMO of course. Hitting a player a hard shoulder is part of the game. Stamping on an injured body part isn't. Can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
genuinely don't get the hand wringing about the kelly thing. how many times have we seen lads fresh back from injury and they're instantly getting lined up for huge hits. literally the dogs in the street know that players carrying injuries are targeted. it's absolutely nothing new and if kelly was really that bad, he shouldn't have been on the pitch and that's on himself and his management.
It's Sean Kelly's fault for being on the pitch in the first place alright, the only logical position.
Sean Kelly lasted the full game. I'd question starting Comer more who picked up hamstring injury on Thursday 16th and nine days was not enough recovery time. Was odd that Joyce and his management chose to bring on Ian Burke for Comer while waited until the 62nd minute to bring on Rob Finnerty and Tomo Culhane not brought on until the 69th minute.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 26, 2023, 07:28:28 PM
It's Sean Kelly's fault for being on the pitch in the first place alright, the only logical position.
i mean, yes? he chose to take the risk and he's no shrinking violet himself. stuff like this happens all the time in football. i have seen countless lads with bad shoulders and bad hips being absolutely nailed even before a ball is thrown in. happens all over the country. it's pure sensationalism to act like this incident is anything new, and kelly will know it well himself.
Quote from: WhoDat on June 26, 2023, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 26, 2023, 07:28:28 PM
It's Sean Kelly's fault for being on the pitch in the first place alright, the only logical position.
i mean, yes? he chose to take the risk and he's no shrinking violet himself. stuff like this happens all the time in football. i have seen countless lads with bad shoulders and bad hips being absolutely nailed even before a ball is thrown in. happens all over the country. it's pure sensationalism to act like this incident is anything new, and kelly will know it well himself.
And he shouldn't have started the messing with Hession if he didn't want to get any "attention"
Fair enough, ye are defending the indefensible as far as I'm concerned, I'll say no more on it.
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1673408285142052881
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1673408285142052881
pure sensationalism. go look at any club match around the country and you'll see plenty like it. james o'donoghue had the best take on it today - if a top player can't take that bit of roughing up that they know they're going to get when they go into a game with a well-publicised injury, they might as well not be there. kelly and galway management made the decision to go ahead knowing full well what the story would be. it's not under 14s and this isn't kelly's first rodeo.
Pretty poor from ROD. Not one for the archives when he hangs up his boots. Would have been pissed off with this sort of carry on, if the shoe was on the other foot (to use the pun).
There will be nothing done by the multiple C's, they have grown afraid of doing anything about this kind of thing. They'll hide behind the nothing to see here motto.
Fans have become worse defending their players. I was shocked (and disappointed) by how many of my cork friends stood up for Cork's Maguires fist chop down on the back Carney head last week.
As I said earlier, Galway and Mayo both messed up. Mayo have got another week to play catch-up, but they are still paying dearly for a game against Cork they should have closed out.
That loss has transpired to see Kerry avoid Galway and Dublin. They really got out of Jail there.
Galway have a long time to think about this season. Tough decisions will have to be made to get back on track. The season failure is not the loss to Mayo, it was the loss to Armagh.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:22:22 PM
Pretty poor from ROD. Not one for the archives when he hangs up his boots. Would have been pissed off with this sort of carry on, if the shoe was on the other foot (to use the pun).
There will be nothing done by the multiple C's, they have grown afraid of doing anything about this kind of thing. They'll hide behind the nothing to see here motto.
Fans have become worse defending their players. I was shocked (and disappointed) by how many of my cork friends stood up for Cork's Maguires fist chop down on the back Carney head last week.
As I said earlier, Galway and Mayo both messed up. Mayo have got another week to play catch-up, but they are still paying dearly for a game against Cork they should have closed out.
That loss has transpired to see Kerry avoid Galway and Dublin. They really got out of Jail there.
Galway have a long time to think about this season. Tough decisions will have to be made to get back on track. The season failure is not the loss to Mayo, it was the loss to Armagh.
If they had drawn with Armagh they would be playing Monaghan at the weekend with Kelly and Comer banjaxed and Walsh out of form. The setup of the competition is not conducive to injury healing. Galway's resources were overwhelmed.
Sometimes a year has to be a write off.
Tipperary had an awful 2018. Nothing worked.
They came back the next year much improved.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:22:22 PM
Pretty poor from ROD. Not one for the archives when he hangs up his boots. Would have been pissed off with this sort of carry on, if the shoe was on the other foot (to use the pun).
There will be nothing done by the multiple C's, they have grown afraid of doing anything about this kind of thing. They'll hide behind the nothing to see here motto.
Fans have become worse defending their players. I was shocked (and disappointed) by how many of my cork friends stood up for Cork's Maguires fist chop down on the back Carney head last week.
As I said earlier, Galway and Mayo both messed up. Mayo have got another week to play catch-up, but they are still paying dearly for a game against Cork they should have closed out.
That loss has transpired to see Kerry avoid Galway and Dublin. They really got out of Jail there.
Galway have a long time to think about this season. Tough decisions will have to be made to get back on track. The season failure is not the loss to Mayo, it was the loss to Armagh.
If they had drawn with Armagh they would be playing Monaghan at the weekend with Kelly and Comer banjaxed and Walsh out of form. The setup of the competition is not conducive to injury healing. Galway's resources were overwhelmed.
Sometimes a year has to be a write off.
Tipperary had an awful 2018. Nothing worked.
They came back the next year much improved.
Tipperary had won the 2016 AI, they had the knowledge that they had done it before.
You can't compare this Galway side to them, the circumstances are completely different.
Quote from: statto on June 26, 2023, 04:53:34 PM
Joyce was very quick to blame the officials for the defeat, felt they had no one to blame but themselves given some of the poor wides they had in first half, their dominance on the Mayo kickout in the first half and Tierneys botched goal chance were the reasons for the loss.
I didn't see those comments re the ref but absolutely to me the refereeing played no part in our downfall whatsoever.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:22:22 PM
Pretty poor from ROD. Not one for the archives when he hangs up his boots. Would have been pissed off with this sort of carry on, if the shoe was on the other foot (to use the pun).
There will be nothing done by the multiple C's, they have grown afraid of doing anything about this kind of thing. They'll hide behind the nothing to see here motto.
Fans have become worse defending their players. I was shocked (and disappointed) by how many of my cork friends stood up for Cork's Maguires fist chop down on the back Carney head last week.
As I said earlier, Galway and Mayo both messed up. Mayo have got another week to play catch-up, but they are still paying dearly for a game against Cork they should have closed out.
That loss has transpired to see Kerry avoid Galway and Dublin. They really got out of Jail there.
Galway have a long time to think about this season. Tough decisions will have to be made to get back on track. The season failure is not the loss to Mayo, it was the loss to Armagh.
If they had drawn with Armagh they would be playing Monaghan at the weekend with Kelly and Comer banjaxed and Walsh out of form. The setup of the competition is not conducive to injury healing. Galway's resources were overwhelmed.
Sometimes a year has to be a write off.
Tipperary had an awful 2018. Nothing worked.
They came back the next year much improved.
Tipperary had won the 2016 AI, they had the knowledge that they had done it before.
You can't compare this Galway side to them, the circumstances are completely different.
Of course you can. It has nothing to do with all Irelands. A team can malfunction for whatever reason in a year. It doesn't mean the condition is permanent.
Even Tipperary last year. they lost 4/4 matches in Munster. This year they came third.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:50:47 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2023, 09:34:50 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2023, 09:22:22 PM
Pretty poor from ROD. Not one for the archives when he hangs up his boots. Would have been pissed off with this sort of carry on, if the shoe was on the other foot (to use the pun).
There will be nothing done by the multiple C's, they have grown afraid of doing anything about this kind of thing. They'll hide behind the nothing to see here motto.
Fans have become worse defending their players. I was shocked (and disappointed) by how many of my cork friends stood up for Cork's Maguires fist chop down on the back Carney head last week.
As I said earlier, Galway and Mayo both messed up. Mayo have got another week to play catch-up, but they are still paying dearly for a game against Cork they should have closed out.
That loss has transpired to see Kerry avoid Galway and Dublin. They really got out of Jail there.
Galway have a long time to think about this season. Tough decisions will have to be made to get back on track. The season failure is not the loss to Mayo, it was the loss to Armagh.
If they had drawn with Armagh they would be playing Monaghan at the weekend with Kelly and Comer banjaxed and Walsh out of form. The setup of the competition is not conducive to injury healing. Galway's resources were overwhelmed.
Sometimes a year has to be a write off.
Tipperary had an awful 2018. Nothing worked.
They came back the next year much improved.
Tipperary had won the 2016 AI, they had the knowledge that they had done it before.
You can't compare this Galway side to them, the circumstances are completely different.
Of course you can. It has nothing to do with all Irelands. A team can malfunction for whatever reason in a year. It doesn't mean the condition is permanent.
Even Tipperary last year. they lost 4/4 matches in Munster. This year they came third.
You are comparing a team who won an All Ireland losing form. To a team who have won f**k all, losing form. It has everything to do with All Irelands and knowing what you have to do to win them.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/?Clare are suffering the kind of injury crisis that a compressed calendar was always going to visit on somebody.
Limerick have a similar dose to the Galway footballers with key injuries and a loss of form
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/?
Sean Finn is out for the rest of the season, Cian Lynch hasn't been himself for well over a year and Declan Hannon has already been ruled out of the All-Ireland semi-final
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 06:44:22 AM
Limerick have a similar dose to the Galway footballers with key injuries and a loss of form
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/?
Sean Finn is out for the rest of the season, Cian Lynch hasn't been himself for well over a year and Declan Hannon has already been ruled out of the All-Ireland semi-final
Of all of these, I think Galway have the least amount of injury worries as the semis approach, and they also have arguably the strongest bench of the lot - a good few players to call on to make a difference when brought in IMO. (Hurling wise of course)
Quote from: mouview on June 27, 2023, 10:22:10 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2023, 06:44:22 AM
Limerick have a similar dose to the Galway footballers with key injuries and a loss of form
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/06/26/denis-walsh-everyone-left-in-the-hurling-championship-is-racing-against-time/?
Sean Finn is out for the rest of the season, Cian Lynch hasn't been himself for well over a year and Declan Hannon has already been ruled out of the All-Ireland semi-final
Of all of these, I think Galway have the least amount of injury worries as the semis approach, and they also have arguably the strongest bench of the lot - a good few players to call on to make a difference when brought in IMO. (Hurling wise of course)
Clare have huge injury issues and Kilkenny are also down a few players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-eomUpoPg&t=5655s
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
So , was Galway's depth just a myth, or was the injury list just overwhelming.
I suspect the latter
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
Has this been confirmed anywhere ?
Shane could do without playing club championship this year.
Back has also seemingly been causing issues again.
The structure of the season leaves little room for getting over knocks
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2023, 01:27:54 PM
Shane could do without playing club championship this year.
Back has also seemingly been causing issues again.
The structure of the season leaves little room for getting over knocks
will we see him play for galway again ?
Quote from: galwayman on June 30, 2023, 01:27:54 PM
Shane could do without playing club championship this year.
Shane has a similar deal to Tubs with a sponsor looking after his rent. Won't back out of that!
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2023, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
Has this been confirmed anywhere ?
Confirmed on joe.ie podcast.
https://youtu.be/pRe3F6eCpzo
Presenters mention they interviewed Walsh during the week and he was in a boot. They were sworn to silence on it and not allowed any photos below the waist.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 30, 2023, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2023, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
Has this been confirmed anywhere ?
Confirmed on joe.ie podcast.
https://youtu.be/pRe3F6eCpzo
Presenters mention they interviewed Walsh during the week and he was in a boot. They were sworn to silence on it and not allowed any photos below the waist.
There you go. That's tough. You'd think there would be a plan B with free's etc. And then there are B*llockes like me the length and breath of the country calling him this and that.
His missed frees were about lack of accuracy not lack of distance. As usual, the seemingly effortless capability he has to kick the ball miles off either foot was still there.
Remember how many minutes he played.
You'd need to be quite gullible to excuse his performance due to injury.
He wasn't at the top of his form. It happens.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on June 30, 2023, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2023, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 30, 2023, 09:17:21 AM
As many of us thought Shane Walsh was injured, got injured against Tyrone and walking around in a moon boot since; Like to think Tierney would have done better with those frees!
Hopefully lessons to be learned from playing injured players next year, a fully fit Kelly wouldn't have let that goal happen.
Has this been confirmed anywhere ?
Confirmed on joe.ie podcast.
https://youtu.be/pRe3F6eCpzo
Presenters mention they interviewed Walsh during the week and he was in a boot. They were sworn to silence on it and not allowed any photos below the waist.
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