NFL Division 1 2024

[imtommygunn]

La

You've won 2 out of 3 under 20 titles though so you're not that poor at underage.

fair enough had overlooked that.

Laverty is effective. Tbh his conduct on the field as a player wasn't great and by all accounts that continues for his club as he manages his opponents so he is going to rub people in his own county up the wrong way. He has something about him though.

[tyrone08]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

It probably is that long. Bit mad to bring in a manager to win ai when he hasn't managed to beat a top team in a very long time

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.

[Derryman forever]

A feck it we are screwed.

[93-DY-SAM]

A feck it we are screwed.

Pretty much. Win games at this stage of the league and you've peaked to early. Don't win games then Mickey has taken us backwards and we are a busted flush. Just no pleasing some people.

[statto]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.

Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.

[tyrone08]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.

Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.

The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years

[Maroon Manc]

Without knowing a great deal about it I find the lack of playing time of Darren McCurry under Harte bizare.

[trueblue1234]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.

Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.

The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years

Tbf that was a Covid year when everything was up in the air. If you look at the years since, I think it's fair to say there's been a fall off in Tyrone's level. Whether that's due to not having the players or the management I'm not sure.

[imtommygunn]

I honestly don't understand why you kept that management team - I think you need new ones. Nothing personal against them but it just doesn't look like it's working from the outside looking in. There should be very few teams in Ireland fit to beat Tyrone but unless something changes I think there will be quite a few fit to beat them. Yes you currently have a run of injuries but I'm not even sure that will matter.

[seafoid]

I don't want to win the NFL or Ulster this year.

Tailor training after the NFL to peak for the All Ireland QFs. A loss to Donegal will get the knives out for everyone about "Glen lads back too early" "no depth" "no forwards" "Mickey Harte shouldn't have taken the Derry job" etc.

Nobody better at a siege mentality than Mickey Harte.

The one problem with that is Mickey never likes to lose games ever so I imagine we'll just be flat to the mat from now until we get beat!

The other problem is mickey hasnt beaten Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in 10 years in a championship match.

Would the last time this happened not be 2008 AI final? I could be missing a game, but the big gripe towards the end in Tyrone was how long we had went without cracking these 3 in championship. I can't remember a more recent one, possibly a Mayo game I'm forgetting?

You're right, 2008 was his last Championship win in Croke Park against a genuine contender. He also struggled after going more defensive (post Donegal defeats) to find the right balance between defence and attack. Both of which made him an interesting choice for a Derry side trying to kick on by winning big games against the top teams and trying to find the right balance between defence and attack.

Is there a case to be made that Tyrone were a little off the top teams in the country at that time?Tyrone fans were spoilt from 2003 to 2008 going from never winning an all Ireland to 3 in 6 years and with that comes a demand for more success.Canavan their greatest ever player was coming to end and mulligan,mcguigan and o Neill were top class at their peak in those years.they didn't have anywhere near close to as good a forward line in the years that followed.

The year after harte left tyrone beat Kerry and Mayo and won the AI with the same team mickey had for a number of years

Tbf that was a Covid year when everything was up in the air. If you look at the years since, I think it's fair to say there's been a fall off in Tyrone's level. Whether that's due to not having the players or the management I'm not sure.

Tyrone had been doing the iterations for several years previously and had lost the final in 2018.
As Dooher said at the time you have to take your chance when it presents itself . You never get a second chance to make a first impression 

[Estimator]

Its a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve?  I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.

[tyrone08]

Its a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve?  I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.

Tyrone beaten by as follows

2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal

Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.

[tonto1888]

Its a pretty specific stat regarding beating the top 3 teams in Croke Park in a set time period. How many games does that actually involve?  I'd say Donegal beat Tyrone more times over that time frame that any of Kerry, Dublin, Mayo.

Tyrone beaten by as follows

2009 cork
2010 dub
2011 dub
2012 kerry
2013 mayo
2014 armagh I think
2015 kerry
2016 mayo
2017 dub
2018 dub
2019 kerry
2020 donegal

Its a very poor record for mickey not to have beaten one of those teams in championship football.

they got to the final in 2018. Who did they beat along the way

[square_ball]

Most notable wins in that 2018 run were Donegal in the final Super 8 game in Ballybofey and then Monaghan in the semi finals.

Beaten by Monaghan in Ulster that year and twice by the Dubs in the All Ireland series.