Premier League 2019/20

laoislad · December 27, 2019, 09:43:45 PM

Happy enough with that result.

Hound · December 27, 2019, 10:01:53 PM

Wolves are a great bit of stuff.

There's a lot of manu and gooner supporters totally disillusioned with the game because of their owners sucking the life out of the club, and then players on massive money only putting in effort now and again.

Wolves have a super attitude and a super manager. They'd be the team to turn to for anyone looking for an English club to support, certainly won't let you down in terms of effort and application.

They'd probably be higher in the league too but for their very early start to the season with the europa prelims. Be very interesting to see how they go in the upcoming almost back to back games with Liverpool

Hound · December 27, 2019, 10:07:07 PM

Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the ref's initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?

imtommygunn · December 27, 2019, 10:18:12 PM

Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??

Main Street · December 27, 2019, 10:50:02 PM

Quote from: Hound on December 27, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the ref's initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?

Red card all day long, no debate.

Hound · December 27, 2019, 11:16:20 PM

Thanks MS

Quote from: imtommygunn on December 27, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??

Mendy was poor, but I probably would have given the free. If he'd gone down, it's likely the ref would have blown

cadhlancian · December 28, 2019, 02:13:31 AM

True, ironically staying on his feet cost him. If he'd went over , 💯 it would have been a free out . Rare to see that on the defensive side of the ball . If Mendy had been the attacker and Traore the defender you'd have put the house on Mendy then falling over for a penalty ...

Main Street · December 28, 2019, 01:30:07 PM

But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

J70 · December 28, 2019, 01:48:52 PM

Quote from: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.

Main Street · December 28, 2019, 06:01:59 PM

Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.

What I described re "defenders using their body to shove attacking players away" is illegal and unintentionally you have confirmed it.

"Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees"
"Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offense as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."

And referees have been very flexible in their interpretation of this guideline in favour of the defender.

Boycey · December 28, 2019, 06:06:59 PM

VAR

mouview · January 02, 2020, 02:41:45 PM

Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

lurganblue · January 02, 2020, 02:59:09 PM

The absolute state of that VAR decision in the Burnley Villa game fs. Ruling goals out because the back of your heel is millimetres offside. I celebrated that Grealish goal but really the seed of doubt was then planted in my head that took the enjoyment from the next two legit goals.

Then Mee absolutely snaps Wesley with a scissor tackle (looks like its a season ender for him). No free, no booking, no VAR. Bin it. It's pointless.

J70 · January 02, 2020, 05:18:55 PM

Quote from: mouview on January 02, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Aughafad · January 02, 2020, 05:47:53 PM

Quote from: mouview on January 02, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

I shouldn't really bite, but feck it anyway.

If you bothered your arse actually watching the champions league final you'd know that the Ref awarded the penalty in the final not VAR, but hey that doesn't really suit your agenda.

Man city lost out due to Pep's cautious approach to the first leg at Spurs similar to the first leg at Anfield the previous year.

VAR is not the problem, people implementing it are.