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#901
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
April 10, 2015, 02:29:40 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 10, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 02:11:31 PM
Who is on the CCC? I can not see there being any starred fixtures this year and for that alone I praise the 5 that dropped off the squad. They made the correct choice.

Great to see the clubs wrestling a bit of power back from the CB.

In what way are they doing this?  What do you mean by this?

I have to ask the same question,  Clubs have wrestled nothing from the county board.  CCC dont have any authority to answer to they decide how things are done and dont listen to objections or questions.  Nothing will change
#902
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
April 10, 2015, 01:30:50 PM
Interesting looking at the starred fixtures and how the recent changes to the county set up have changed things.  Killyclogher and Omagh potentially now both have 5 county players and are the top contributors.  Looking at the squad named vs Kerry are Niall McKenna and Barry Tierney still on the panel?  Clonoe's Representation is now down to 2 players (possibly 1 with Micky O'neill not named in the last squad) and benefit having to play both Killyclogher and Omagh in the starred rounds.  Ardboe, Coalisland and Eglish all benefit but to a lesser extent.

Moy got royally screwed over having to play Ardboe (0), Coalisland (0), Greencastle (0), Donaghmore (1 possibly) and Strabane (1).  The way things have went this week the panel members of Donaghmore and Strabane could also drift away as they are not kicking much ball

Starred Round 1
Omagh v Clonoe
Eglish v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Dromore
Errigal Ciaran v Trillick
Strabane v Moy
Donaghmore v Ardboe
Coalisland v An Charraig Mhor
Greencastle v Augher

Starred Round 2
Eglish v Clonoe
Omagh v Killyclogher
Errigal Ciaran v Dungannon
Dromore v Trillick
Donaghmore v Strabane
Ardboe v Moy
Greencastle v Coalisland
Augher v An Charraig Mhor

Starred Round 3
Killyclogher v Clonoe
Omagh v Eglish
Trillick v Dungannon
Errigal Ciaran v Dromore
Strabane v Augher
Donaghmore v Moy
Coalisland v Ardboe
An Charraig Mhor v Greencastle

Starred Round 4
Dromore v Clonoe
Killyclogher v Trillick
Eglish v Errigal Ciaran
Dungannon v Omagh
Strabane v An Charraig Mhor
Ardboe v Greencastle
Augher v Donaghmore
Coalisland v Moy

Starred Round 5
Clonoe v Errigal Ciaran
Killyclogher v Dungannon
Eglish v Dromore
Trillick v Omagh
Strabane v Ardboe
Coalisland v Augher
Donaghmore v An Charraig Mhor
Greencastle v Moy

#903
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
April 10, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
Quote from: Moortown Spuds on April 10, 2015, 09:58:36 AM
Wait until next year when minors are stopped from playing for their clubs. If you are 17/18 and not starting for the minor county you will pull out. This will affect every county.

In Tyrone the starred fixtures will be scrapped this year. Some pressure on the remaining fringe players to pull the plug.

Your dead right... This will be discussed at every club up and down the county.  Other players will be put under pressure by not only club managers but other club players.  The players will almost feel its now their duty to follow suit.  Look at Danny McBride, hardly kicked a ball, will Micky O'Neill join the other Clonoe clan and decide im no.2 and look to what PJ nad Dwayne have done think he is left with no option.  Dungannon will look to Patrick Quinn in a big year for their club back in Senior football.  It could be a domino effect.
#904
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
April 09, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Shocking that PJ has followed suit, I heard whispers all day that this was about to happen. Cassidy must be putting serious pressure on the Clonoe lads. He has a point if their not in the first 18 he wants them available but every county needs a squad.  Continues to make a farce of the starred game set up. 2 Cavanaghs should withdraw say they want to make themselves available for Moy or the Omagh Contignent say club first see what happens next. Clonoe, Ardboe, Coalisland and Eglish all benefit
#905
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
April 08, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
Surely Tyrone CCC should now review the starred games process after the omission of four players from the county set up. If they were worked out on a balance process the balance has certainly shifted in favour of Ardboe, Eglish, Clonoe and Coalisland. While these lads are not always county starters they make a huge contribution to their clubs and their availability now makes a mockery of the starred process.

#906
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on March 04, 2015, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: winghalfback on March 04, 2015, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: W.A.G. Lover on March 04, 2015, 09:53:37 AM
Speaking to a fella recently who said a referee told him there are only approximately 40-45 referees left in the county after numerous retirements this year.
If this is the case, surely there wont be enough to cover all senior & reserve fixtures on a given Sunday where the full programme goes ahead?

I know it may be the wrong thing to do, it may not even be possible financially but would it be an enticement to pay our referees £100 per game or say £50 per youth game £100 for a senior, reserve, u21 game? It is a thankless task and a lot of people are turned away from it because its seen in such a light. I know refs already get a small expense payment as it stands and I am not advocating this idea but its an idea which may work and could be thought about, or does it take away from the amateur ethos of our games?


Does the amateur ethos still exist? We have managers getting paid and county players receiving payments from Elitest organisations. Why would the refs not be entitled to a few pound, they are after all the ones who take all the flack.

I'm not sure of current referee's fees per game or expenses, however it is termed. Its the clubs that end up paying for the referee through fees.  A very valid point is made lots of clubs are paying managers so surely they could dip into funds and throw the referee a few quid.  I would propose that the Home team pays £25 div3 £30 div2 £35 div1 on top of whatever referee gets from County Board, obviously this would only apply to adult fixtures.  I dont think any referee could argue this and it would push referees to look at their own performance to get the bigger games.

Might be a mad proposal just throwing it out there.
#907
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 04, 2015, 12:11:20 PM
Mickey not for budging on the RTE issue and it seems the players are backing his stance.

Backing his stance or afraid to stand up against it?
#908
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Tommo2 on March 04, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
What is the rule regarding players that received straight red cards for their club last year in the championship and their clubs lost that particular game. In other words, do the players have to miss a championship game this season?

I believe that is the case.  E.g Peter Harte will be unavailable for Errigal after being sent off last year.
#909
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 09:37:41 AM
I said before that some clubs dont want to get into the top 4, think redzone didnt agree but lets be honest if your making the top 4 your season can run on into November.  Not all club players want to do that.  Another decision agreed last night was that a trophy is awarded to the team that finishes top of the league.  I think thats a farce to be honest.  League winner is either the team that finishes top or the team that wins the playoffs.  Becasue of the starred system the playoff system is propper.

The starred system does have to be questioned though!!  Reading above I see the Moy got a raw deal, (we all know they dont win starred games).  Has there been a change in CCC in the way that starred games are matched up.  I would of thought Moy would play: Dromore, Clonoe, Killyclogher, Omagh and Trillick in starred their games.  Other possibilities are Eglish, Dungannon with 2 players starred.   It doesnt matter if there subs or starters for the county they are every bit as valuable to their clubs first teams.
#910
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 04, 2015, 09:16:59 AM
Quote from: shezam on March 04, 2015, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on March 04, 2015, 08:55:27 AM
I see the proposal for the seeded championship next year was defeated.
Personally i thought i was quite a good idea.
Im not sure what the major downside owuld have been?

Think this years Championship draw highlights the downside of the seeded championship. We wouldn't have seen first round games like Coalisland v Clonoe, Dromore v Ardboe, Errigal v Killyclogher and when you take into account either Greencastle/Eglish/Dungannon/Trillick could end up in the Semi-Final.

Fair enough, we wouldnt have had the same draw as we had this year and wouldnt have the big first round ties, but we would still more than likely get these games at some stage.
I think the championship in its current format is great, I just felt the seeded draw wouldnt ahve really taken away anything from it and would have improved the league structure.

It would make 8th place an achievement similar to how the premier league teams all race for top 4.  The seeding system would no doubt make the race for 8th interesting but the seeding system doesn't stop a team comfortably in 2nd or 3rd place dropping points to help a team climb into that top 8 or helping a team out of relegation.  We all know it happens, the seeding system may make it happen less but at the detriment of the championship.
#911
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
March 04, 2015, 09:10:03 AM
Downside for a seeded championship means it takes away from how good the championship is and can be.  Look at the 1st round draw coming up its mouth watering to say the least.  That will be all done away with.  Promoted sides get punnished for winning their league/championship by automatically being drawn against a league super power.  Clubs trying n to make the break thru maybe boosted by a championship win to drive the club on will be kept down unless they can overcome the "big club"  I do agree something has to me done to make the league games more meaningful especially towards the end of the season but to seed 8 teams isnt the answer in my opinion. 

I dont have the answer but I'd be interested in hearing other possibilities for interest.  Tyrone have a brilliant championship I would hate to see that tinkered with like other counties with back doors and round robins!! 
#912
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 25, 2015, 10:07:24 AM
I think the person that compiled those odds know little about the Tyrone Championship.  Omagh at 6/4 is madness.  Any team at 6/4 is madness, the championship is so open.  There are a few value bets there.  Ardboe will do well to get past Dromore.  I'd suggest that their odds should be greater with the draw they got
#913
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 24, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
Season ticket will have to be bought now.  Great Draw, some mouth watering ties.  Coalisland v Clonoe is a cracker.  The winner of that tie would be confident of a semi final place.  A big draw for the promoted teams and Eglish as well.
#914
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 23, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
Some loss to Clonoe alright. Colly is a great player.  Maybe wouldn't go as far as you to say he is one of the greatest players to grace the county but a great club player.  Will give whoever draws Clonoe tonight extra hope of turning them over.  Mackers is also a massive loss to Coalisland.  Don't know of others missing although this is the 1st I've heard of Colly and Mackers

Looking forward to the draw tonight.
#915
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
February 20, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
KYMI Im in total agreement with you.  Clonoe didnt value the league and didnt see the need on their championship exit to push on and win the league despite them being very capable.  Where as Killyclogher will see a league title as an unbelievable year and an outstanding achivement (which it was).  I find it hard to understnad this mentality.  At the start of 2015 clubs have 2 competitions. County League and County Championship.  To totally dismiss the league as unimportant is madness.  Im a strong believer that winning is a habbit should that be league or championship and im sure Killyclogher are hoping to push on after 2014.