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[Main Street]

Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.

You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death

Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?

Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence

"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers?
Human Rights Watch report that 50 lashes is the penalty imposed for being found guilty of a homosexual activity.

HRW also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.

You found human rights watch. Well done. I suggest searching through refworld also.
Now who is being pedantic over the use of the word literally. You know why I used it. Lashes is a punishment, I did mention that, thonit isn't the punishment for any homosexual activity. The penal code allows for the death sentence and it does get used. And no, I don't have any numbers off hand. As you are using HRW perhaps you know the actual numbers for those out to death? Didnit me toon Christian conversion?

I certainly don't use the Jerusalem Post  
You can't find anything of substance to support your claim that gays are executed for being gay in Iran.
And sarcasm is your refuge.

[Main Street]

In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

What a truly strange angle to take???

If the bullet had killed a police officer which of the 2 groups would they have fallen into?

Straw man

[smelmoth]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

I think if that interview had been broadcast to the crowd inside or outside St Anne's today O'Neill would have been rightly booed.

It's about time that SF and DUP each blaming the other might work for the mindless but even they will eventually work it out

[tonto1888]

Why are all those Nordies so against gay rights (which are human rights)?

In Ireland's marriage referendum 4 years ago, 734,300 people voted against it. That's almost 38% of voters.

Like I said before, whether in the north or south, not everyone is in favour of gay rights/marriage.

You just can't mention it in public or you would get lynched by the right on crowd and lose your job

Sounds like a better world to live in than the one where you could lose your job (or in the case of countries like Iran, your life) for being gay.

You are indulging in good old Islamophobia, gays are not killed for being gay in Iran, nevertheless, gays are at risk from the reactionary violence of homophobes/religious nutcases in many places around the world, including USA. 
In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

There are anti homosexuality laws in Iran and the sentence is death

Yes but homosexuals are not being killed for being homosexuals in Iran, as was claimed.

So what are they being killed for?

Are you afflicted with semantic confusion?
Homosexuals are not being killed for the crime of being a homosexual.
If you want information on Iran, go do some research, it has been known to help some people overcome prejudices.

I'm seeing if you know. Which you don't. Do you know anything about the penal code in Iran? People literally get put to death if they are caught having homosexual sex. Granted it is if they have been caught a few times before and have received lashes before. There are less harsh sentences which cover things like kissing but sodomy will ultimately carry a death sentence

"People literally get put to death?"  as opposed to what? non-literal?
Have you got any literal numbers?
Human Rights Watch report that 50 lashes is the penalty imposed for being found guilty of a homosexual activity.

HRW also report  "At least 283 executions including 11 in public were carried out in 2018. The real numbers were likely to be much higher as use of capital punishment in Iran is often shrouded in secrecy. Most of those executed during the period in question were sentenced to death for smuggling, narcotics, and murder."

The USA has 3 times higher incarceration rate than Iran.

You found human rights watch. Well done. I suggest searching through refworld also.
Now who is being pedantic over the use of the word literally. You know why I used it. Lashes is a punishment, I did mention that, thonit isn't the punishment for any homosexual activity. The penal code allows for the death sentence and it does get used. And no, I don't have any numbers off hand. As you are using HRW perhaps you know the actual numbers for those out to death? Didnit me toon Christian conversion?

I certainly don't use the Jerusalem Post  
You can't find anything of substance to support your claim that gays are executed for being gay in Iran.
And sarcasm is your refuge.

I didn't  use the Jerusalem post mate. Sarcasm? You're throwing sarcasm at me after your nonsense?

[smelmoth]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

[smelmoth]

In any case, unlike the state assisted murders of  Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson, Lyra was not murdered for who she was or what she stood for, she was just caught in the wrong place.

What a truly strange angle to take???

If the bullet had killed a police officer which of the 2 groups would they have fallen into?

Straw man

Not straw man. Just quoting back to you a question on a distinction that you chose to make.

[tonto1888]

Is the United States State Department a reputable enough source for you?

Acts of Violence, Discrimination, and Other Abuses Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity

The law criminalizes consensual same-sex sexual activity, which is punishable by death, flogging, or a lesser punishment. The law does not distinguish between consensual and nonconsensual same-sex intercourse, and NGOs reported this lack of clarity led to both the victim and the perpetrator being held criminally liable under the law in cases of assault. The law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm#wrapper

[tonto1888]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

[trailer]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

I have been an ardent critic of SF, all of their positions and policies. So I am glad someone else has said this. This "there's no one else to vote for" is clearly incorrect. There a plenty of alternatives. If the electorate continue to vote SF/DUP we'll continue to get the same level of government.

I am truly sad to see a number of services withdrawn in my area. Breakthru and Surestart just 2 examples, used by the most needy in society. The exact people who SF say they want to help. We deserve better.

[smelmoth]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present

[Eamonnca1]

Will the NYT suffice?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/opinion/iran-forty-years-revolution-moderate.html

"In 2015 the government executed close to 1,000 people, roughly double the figure of 2010. Last month, it publicly hanged a 31-year-old man on charges of kidnapping and having sex with another man; he's one of an estimated 5,000 gays and lesbians killed by the Islamic Republic."

[tonto1888]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present

I have to admit Keith is a friend from school but since coming home o have noticed him more than anyone being on the ground. Engaging with the community in various matters. And actually listening to people. I would need to read the manifestos of others who are standing to eee who I give my number 2 to

[smelmoth]

Michelle O'Neill's interview on channel 4 is an embarrassment. Saying she wants peace to work but wants the governments to sort it out. Washing her hands of the issue. Blaming DUP.
Rights, equality bullshit mantra again. What about the rights of our children's education, or those accessing the health service.

They know they can't do anything about education, health etc, so they distract people from that with this equality mantra. Divert from their own uselessness and inadequacies and point the finger at themmuns.

Sadly, most people can't see this is what they're about, and go out and vote for them again and again.

Works both ways. Who is the alternative to vote for? In the upcoming elections I will vote for Keith Haughian. He has been doing a lot of work the past couple of years in my area and deserves my vote. If there was a Stormont election I genuinely don't know who I would vote for

Here is an idea- lend your vote to Alliance. If after one electoral cycle you conclude that they are as useless as say SF or DUP then don't for them again. What do you have to lose?

In this coming election, as I said, I will vote for Keith. Based on his record he is a good option. If we ever get another Stormont election I will certainly consider the alliance candidate whoever he or she may be

I don't know the fella personally but if he came around electioneering I would look for his views on education and housing. Both devolved issues and the latter very relevant at council level. If he advocated any of this nonsense of a shared space being we need catholic housing and Protestant housing and we can have school kids sharing physical infrastructure but in different schools with different uniforms then I would regard a vote for him as a complete waste if you want the future to be any better than the present

I have to admit Keith is a friend from school but since coming home o have noticed him more than anyone being on the ground. Engaging with the community in various matters. And actually listening to people. I would need to read the manifestos of others who are standing to eee who I give my number 2 to

Well when he is next in the ground canvass his views on housing and education and post them on here

[marty34]

I think there is a big difference between council elections and Stormont. Most people deal with cllrs. moreso than MLAs.

[Applesisapples]

I see from the posts on here that many on the board are bought into the equal blame on both SF and the DUP. But lets remember that SF had a compromise agreement, which parked the issues some of you now want dropped completely. They rightly were taken top task by the Pro Choice/Irish Language/LGBT groups. Even at that the hard line DUP base couldn't wear it. If SF now go back to this deal that didn't secure rights as promised they would be slaughtered at the polls and their opponents would including the SDLP would make hay. Bottom line is and I will repeat it the DUP and UUP do not get equality or parity of esteem. Fr Magill's well intentioned remarks perpetuate the myth of parity of blame.