The Official Tennis Thread

[Boycey]

Guys, it's clear as water Nadal is the greatest.

Greatest what?

Tennis player of all time.

Arguably greatest sports person of all time.

Ah hell damn it we'll go the whole hog, greatest ever human....

Before any of yis take to debating this with Angelo, Nadal is his specialist subject. He will produce loads of 'facts' and ignore all your points

[Angelo]

Guys, it's clear as water Nadal is the greatest.

Greatest what?

Tennis player of all time.

Arguably greatest sports person of all time.

Ah hell damn it we'll go the whole hog, greatest ever human....

Before any of yis take to debating this with Angelo, Nadal is his specialist subject. He will produce loads of 'facts' and ignore all your points

Yes. I will produce facts and people like you who want to remain ignorant like you will make the mistake of trying to debate facts.

[nrico2006]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

[Angelo]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

There are.

Not to mention Nadal is

- the only one of the big 3 to complete the golden slam
- the only one with multiple slam titles on every surface
- has a superior head to head record with the other two in slam meetings (10-6 against Djokovic and 10-4 Federer)
- reached 20 in 19 less slams than Federer
- 5x Davis Cup Winner


He's been written off time and time again, overcame multiple injury setbacks and now has 6 slams in his 30s. He has completely adjusted his game in the past 5 years, he's far more aggressive now, his serve is much more of a weapon. Who would have seen this after the nightmare run he had in 2015/16?

Not only is he the greatest tennis player of all time, there's a great case to be made for him being the greatest sportsman of all time.

[Milltown Row2]

Nadal is level on Slams with Roger, having won 13 on one specific tournament he's the GOAT of the French open.

Is he the better player? That depends on the type of player you like.

The main facts are simple. 20 each is easy to work out. If Nadal goes on and wins again in France he'll be the GOAT. But at the minute you can't split them no matter what that clampit posts.

65% of Nadal's slams have been in one surface.

[nrico2006]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

There are.

Not to mention Nadal is

- the only one of the big 3 to complete the golden slam
- the only one with multiple slam titles on every surface
- has a superior head to head record with the other two in slam meetings (10-6 against Djokovic and 10-4 Federer)
- reached 20 in 19 less slams than Federer
- 5x Davis Cup Winner


He's been written off time and time again, overcame multiple injury setbacks and now has 6 slams in his 30s. He has completely adjusted his game in the past 5 years, he's far more aggressive now, his serve is much more of a weapon. Who would have seen this after the nightmare run he had in 2015/16?

Not only is he the greatest tennis player of all time, there's a great case to be made for him being the greatest sportsman of all time.

None of those are a specific fact that cements him as the greatest ever - there are as many statistics out there that will have the other 2 ahead of him.  Additionally, there will still be an argument as to who is the greatest irrelevant of who wins the most major titles.  Its a debate and as I said, purely subjective.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

Nadal can't be the best sports person of all time, those spots are reserved for Pavel nedved and Shevchenko 

[Angelo]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

There are.

Not to mention Nadal is

- the only one of the big 3 to complete the golden slam
- the only one with multiple slam titles on every surface
- has a superior head to head record with the other two in slam meetings (10-6 against Djokovic and 10-4 Federer)
- reached 20 in 19 less slams than Federer
- 5x Davis Cup Winner


He's been written off time and time again, overcame multiple injury setbacks and now has 6 slams in his 30s. He has completely adjusted his game in the past 5 years, he's far more aggressive now, his serve is much more of a weapon. Who would have seen this after the nightmare run he had in 2015/16?

Not only is he the greatest tennis player of all time, there's a great case to be made for him being the greatest sportsman of all time.

None of those are a specific fact that cements him as the greatest ever - there are as many statistics out there that will have the other 2 ahead of him.  Additionally, there will still be an argument as to who is the greatest irrelevant of who wins the most major titles.  Its a debate and as I said, purely subjective.

If you want to base whose the best of your favourite then it's subjective.

If you want to look at the stats and data then it's Nadal.

[Milltown Row2]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

There are.

Not to mention Nadal is

- the only one of the big 3 to complete the golden slam
- the only one with multiple slam titles on every surface
- has a superior head to head record with the other two in slam meetings (10-6 against Djokovic and 10-4 Federer)
- reached 20 in 19 less slams than Federer
- 5x Davis Cup Winner


He's been written off time and time again, overcame multiple injury setbacks and now has 6 slams in his 30s. He has completely adjusted his game in the past 5 years, he's far more aggressive now, his serve is much more of a weapon. Who would have seen this after the nightmare run he had in 2015/16?

Not only is he the greatest tennis player of all time, there's a great case to be made for him being the greatest sportsman of all time.

None of those are a specific fact that cements him as the greatest ever - there are as many statistics out there that will have the other 2 ahead of him.  Additionally, there will still be an argument as to who is the greatest irrelevant of who wins the most major titles.  Its a debate and as I said, purely subjective.

If you want to base whose the best of your favourite then it's subjective.

If you want to look at the stats and data then it's Nadal.

It doesn't, it shows 20 Slams each for Nadal and Roger, it shows 65% of Nadal's slams on on one court. Its says currently its tied. It's show Novak has been NO.1 the longest followed by Roger then Nadal. these are facts, not preferences

[Angelo]

There is no fact that puts Nadal as the greatest of all time though, it's purely subjective.

There are.

Not to mention Nadal is

- the only one of the big 3 to complete the golden slam
- the only one with multiple slam titles on every surface
- has a superior head to head record with the other two in slam meetings (10-6 against Djokovic and 10-4 Federer)
- reached 20 in 19 less slams than Federer
- 5x Davis Cup Winner


He's been written off time and time again, overcame multiple injury setbacks and now has 6 slams in his 30s. He has completely adjusted his game in the past 5 years, he's far more aggressive now, his serve is much more of a weapon. Who would have seen this after the nightmare run he had in 2015/16?

Not only is he the greatest tennis player of all time, there's a great case to be made for him being the greatest sportsman of all time.

None of those are a specific fact that cements him as the greatest ever - there are as many statistics out there that will have the other 2 ahead of him.  Additionally, there will still be an argument as to who is the greatest irrelevant of who wins the most major titles.  Its a debate and as I said, purely subjective.

If you want to base whose the best of your favourite then it's subjective.

If you want to look at the stats and data then it's Nadal.

It doesn't, it shows 20 Slams each for Nadal and Roger, it shows 65% of Nadal's slams on on one court. Its says currently its tied. It's show Novak has been NO.1 the longest followed by Roger then Nadal. these are facts, not preferences

I've covered all this before.

The data says Nadal is the best.

The ATP season discriminates against clay court players as there is only one clay court slam a year compared to 2 hard and one grass which both play every similar and all hinge off a big serve.

Nadal has a leading head to head with Djokovic and Federer in slam meetings.

Has the golden slam, 5 Davis Cup, best win% at slams.

Nadal is 20/61 in slams
Federer 20/79 in slams
Djokovic 18/63 in slams

Nadal is the one player who has had to reinvent his game because of his injury bother and he still came out on top.

The data is not there to argue against Nadal being the greatest.

If people remain clear and objective and follow the data then it can only be Nadal.

[johnnycool]

Guys, it's clear as water Nadal is the greatest.

Greatest what?

Tennis player of all time.

Arguably greatest sports person of all time.

Ah hell damn it we'll go the whole hog, greatest ever human....

Before any of yis take to debating this with Angelo, Nadal is his specialist subject. He will produce loads of 'facts' and ignore all your points

Does he know the name of Nadals doctor also beloved to a lot of cycling "greats"?

[Milltown Row2]

Slam's, One Grass, two hard court and one Clay.. If Nadal can't play on hard court, 65% of his wins show he's a better clay court player, should they change it just for him? Brilliant

When he started out the tours were in place and they had the courts that were available, a good tennis player will develop his game, he won't divide all his attentions on to one surface, if he does he's a limited player, That's like saying the best golfer in the world will win 65% of his tours on Links courses and may pop up every now and again and win on the other surfaces...

On top means 21 slams, at the minute they are equal, he should get by that come the French open though, then he'll be the best.

86: Career singles titles for Nadal, the fourth-most in the Open era.

103: Career titles for Federer, the second-most, behind Jimmy Connors' 109.

[Angelo]

Slam's, One Grass, two hard court and one Clay.. If Nadal can't play on hard court, 65% of his wins show he's a better clay court player, should they change it just for him? Brilliant

When he started out the tours were in place and they had the courts that were available, a good tennis player will develop his game, he won't divide all his attentions on to one surface, if he does he's a limited player, That's like saying the best golfer in the world will win 65% of his tours on Links courses and may pop up every now and again and win on the other surfaces...

On top means 21 slams, at the minute they are equal, he should get by that come the French open though, then he'll be the best.

86: Career singles titles for Nadal, the fourth-most in the Open era.

103: Career titles for Federer, the second-most, behind Jimmy Connors' 109.

You're focusing a lot there on lesser tournaments.

Does anyone consider Jimmy Connors the greatest player of his generation nevermind the greatest of all time? No.

[Milltown Row2]

Slam's, One Grass, two hard court and one Clay.. If Nadal can't play on hard court, 65% of his wins show he's a better clay court player, should they change it just for him? Brilliant

When he started out the tours were in place and they had the courts that were available, a good tennis player will develop his game, he won't divide all his attentions on to one surface, if he does he's a limited player, That's like saying the best golfer in the world will win 65% of his tours on Links courses and may pop up every now and again and win on the other surfaces...

On top means 21 slams, at the minute they are equal, he should get by that come the French open though, then he'll be the best.

86: Career singles titles for Nadal, the fourth-most in the Open era.

103: Career titles for Federer, the second-most, behind Jimmy Connors' 109.

You're focusing a lot there on lesser tournaments.

Does anyone consider Jimmy Connors the greatest player of his generation nevermind the greatest of all time? No.

Lesser tournaments? Ok we'll focus on Slams... 20 each! equal

But lets forget about the other lesser titles as they don't show anything

Jimmy Connors was a legend growing up, he was never liked too much by his fellow professionals but a damn good player

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

1. Novak
2. Nadal
3. Fed

Simples 

Nadal has also had the massive advantage of being a right hander playing left handed which because of the scoring system favours southpaws way more

It also gives him 2 forehands effectively