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« Reply #18930 on: January 14, 2022, 03:42:18 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.
Only playing devils advocate here, but has he not got the vaccine? The anti vaxxers will blame it on that.

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« Reply #18931 on: January 14, 2022, 03:51:26 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.

Like that idiot Joe Rogan the other day - https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916

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« Reply #18932 on: January 14, 2022, 03:54:46 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.

Like that idiot Joe Rogan the other day - https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916
idiot ? Guy has biggest podcast out there , when are you starting your podcast.   keep it low in ardboe

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« Reply #18933 on: January 14, 2022, 03:57:43 PM »
Yes - that idiot Joe Rogan

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« Reply #18934 on: January 14, 2022, 04:03:28 PM »
Yes - that idiot Joe Rogan
Thankfully he had a guest that not only called him out on his nonsense, but proved it straight away!

Joe's a typical anti-vaxxer, in that he believes all the stats about vaccine side effects, but believes none of the stats about vaccines working and the negative effects of Covid, even when the stats all come from the same place!

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« Reply #18935 on: January 14, 2022, 04:04:53 PM »
Yes - that idiot Joe Rogan

Complete and utter clown

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« Reply #18936 on: January 14, 2022, 04:09:40 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.

Like that idiot Joe Rogan the other day - https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916
idiot ? Guy has biggest podcast out there , when are you starting your podcast.   keep it low in ardboe

Plenty of people voted for Borris or listen to NolanÖÖ doesnít make either of them less of an idiot.

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« Reply #18937 on: January 14, 2022, 04:25:06 PM »
Yes - that idiot Joe Rogan

Complete and utter clown
Thats a bit over the top lad. He takes a position that he is always prepared to change his opinion if with presented with a better argument and be nice to people. His show certainly is not an echo chamber.   

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« Reply #18938 on: January 14, 2022, 05:18:48 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.
Only playing devils advocate here, but has he not got the vaccine? The anti vaxxers will blame it on that.

Youíd be a very stupid advocate then. He got his vaccine pre season in July. Heís played all season without a problem with all the regular checks and monitoring they do at top level professional clubs. He got Covid in December and when he tried to return to playing and training he was getting pains in his chest.

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« Reply #18939 on: January 14, 2022, 06:12:34 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.
Only playing devils advocate here, but has he not got the vaccine? The anti vaxxers will blame it on that.

Youíd be a very stupid advocate then. He got his vaccine pre season in July. Heís played all season without a problem with all the regular checks and monitoring they do at top level professional clubs. He got Covid in December and when he tried to return to playing and training he was getting pains in his chest.

Probably mixture of vaccine and Covid then lol

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« Reply #18940 on: January 14, 2022, 06:15:59 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.

Like that idiot Joe Rogan the other day - https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916
idiot ? Guy has biggest podcast out there , when are you starting your podcast.   keep it low in ardboe

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« Reply #18941 on: January 14, 2022, 07:54:05 PM »
Omnicron was unknown a month ago but now with ICU numbers falling in many countries it's much less of a worry.
The problem is that Covid is well established in poorer countries where public health is weak and will be back again with more iterations.

Nah - very unlikely.

At this point, it'd essentially be a new virus if it were to cause a significant disruption to the current trajectory.

Omicron will over the next month or two give almost everyone immunity - including the anti-vax hold outs.
That immunity will be close enough to be effective* against any other SARS-CoV-2 variant.
Furthermore, since it seems to come back on people fairly quickly - like a cold - the constant reserve of it in the community will by and by large keep immune systems fresh with it.

Get the NHS out of the woods (by flattening peak), then get rid of all local restrictions. At that point, they'll do more harm than good - we want to keep Omicron circulating in some shape/form when everyone has a good immune response to it. Probably prudent to keep an eye on international gateways, but not likely to be an issue.


*effective in this case = bringing down rates of serious illness/fatalities to those of similar infections.

Have followed your comments from the start Radio and to be fair you have been there or thereabouts on most things you have said.

Good enough for me.

So the home straight is in sight?

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« Reply #18942 on: January 14, 2022, 08:32:56 PM »
I see Alphonso Davies from Bayern has had to take time off from playing as heís got myocarditis after getting Covid in December. This was probably only picked up because heís a footballer and getting regular checks. The anti vaccine brigade keep pushing this as a major side effect of the vaccine but they donít like getting it pointed out that itís at least 4 times more likely to happen if you get Covid.
Only playing devils advocate here, but has he not got the vaccine? The anti vaxxers will blame it on that.

Youíd be a very stupid advocate then. He got his vaccine pre season in July. Heís played all season without a problem with all the regular checks and monitoring they do at top level professional clubs. He got Covid in December and when he tried to return to playing and training he was getting pains in his chest.

Aubamayang out too with heart issues after Covid.

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« Reply #18943 on: January 14, 2022, 08:54:54 PM »
Sounds brilliant and I hope it works out like that. I was reading something the other day though which makes me think it is unlikely. The problem is that Covid doesnít work in the same way as the flu. Each iteration of the flu evolves from the last one. With Covid itís not working out like that. Variants are emerging around the world but not necessarily as an iteration of the previous one eg omicron didnít evolve from delta. What that means is that the next variant to come along could be a lot more lethal than omicron and just as infectious or it could be even less dangerous. At this stage nobody knows and it will basically come down to luck.

There are four other (7 known in total, leaving aside SARS1 and MERS for now) coronavirus that transmit in humans, these are:

HCoV-NL63   
HCoV-229E
HCoV-OC43
HKU1

SARS-CoV-2 will go the same way as the above. Its what they do. The above 4 will all have variants being produced all the time, but luckily our immune system is largely able to recognise, adapt to any variations and deal with them.


Its probably worth bearing in mind that evolutionary pressure is on the virus to move up out of our lungs and reside more in our throat/nose - Omicron case in point - several reasons. Two of which are:
(i) a cough or sneeze will see more particles spread better if its only travelling from the back of our throat rather than from deep in the lungs - which would tend to line our airways with most of the viral particles.
(ii) someone who is not badly affected is in a better position to socialise and encounter other people to pass the thing onto.
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« Reply #18944 on: January 14, 2022, 09:20:50 PM »
So the home straight is in sight?

Hopefully.

(Very) far from infallible of course, so you could all be laughing at my stupidity in a few weeks.

Well... prob not laughing as it'll mean we'll have more of the f**king restrictions to deal with.
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