Messi or Ronaldo - Who's best

[Tony Baloney]

Surely David Healy deserves a mention in this company.

Good shout he's done more on the International stage than Messi surely!!!

Peter Crouch should also be in the mix here.. better goals per game ratio (at international level) than Shearer, Rooney, Charlton and Owen.

Franny Jeffers. Played one, scored one. Get him into the poll.

[Itchy]

Surely David Healy deserves a mention in this company.

Good shout he's done more on the International stage than Messi surely!!!

Peter Crouch should also be in the mix here.. better goals per game ratio (at international level) than Shearer, Rooney, Charlton and Owen.

Good call, crouch also is twice as tall as Messi and once scored a bicycle kick which useless Messi never did.

[Angelo]

https://twitter.com/TomasORuanaidh/status/1299655314485149696?s=09

His balance is sublime. The balance allows him to do what he wants with his feet. He's at the very least the best for a generation - I don't know how it is an argument. Sheva isn't even part of the same conversation! You'll not find 9 mins of Sheva.

Here's 10 and a half mins of Sheva.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehcubdd_0XE

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

[ONeill]

Messi's celebrations were nowhere near world class. Crouch raised the bar celebrating, and alongside his goals-per-game ratio, he's up there with Eusebio, Socrates and Di Stefano.

[thewobbler]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Which is why David Healy MUST come under consideration

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Which is why David Healy MUST come under consideration

A pity Healy didn't get to pad his records with hat tricks against Haiti and Guatemala in friendlies.

[From the Bunker]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Yes he scored against the likes of N. Ireland, Armenia, Wales (2001 version), Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Albania, Luxembourg, Andorra - would Messi get to play against countries as weak as that in WC and Copa America qualifiers?

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Yes he scored against the likes of N. Ireland, Armenia, Wales (2001 version), Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Albania, Luxembourg, Andorra - would Messi get to play against countries as weak as that in WC and Copa America qualifiers?

Yes.

Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Venezeula.

And Messi plays for 14x Copa America winners and 2x World Cup Winners Argentina.

[nrico2006]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Evidence?

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Evidence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Lionel_Messi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_goals_scored_by_Andriy_Shevchenko

36 goals for Messi in competitive games, 34 goals in friendlies
40 goals for Sheva in competiitve games, 8 goals in friendlies

[nrico2006]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Yes he scored against the likes of N. Ireland, Armenia, Wales (2001 version), Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Albania, Luxembourg, Andorra - would Messi get to play against countries as weak as that in WC and Copa America qualifiers?

Yes.

Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Venezeula.

And Messi plays for 14x Copa America winners and 2x World Cup Winners Argentina.

Those South American countries would be better than the European ones. Dont see what Argentinas past achievements have got to do with it, their squads in Messi's era were not to the standard that had gone before.

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Yes he scored against the likes of N. Ireland, Armenia, Wales (2001 version), Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Albania, Luxembourg, Andorra - would Messi get to play against countries as weak as that in WC and Copa America qualifiers?

Yes.

Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Venezeula.

And Messi plays for 14x Copa America winners and 2x World Cup Winners Argentina.

Those South American countries would be better than the European ones. Dont see what Argentinas past achievements have got to do with it, their squads in Messi's era were not to the standard that had gone before.

Would they?

On what basis would the likes of Bolivia be better than N. Ireland, Armenia or Albania?

[Angelo]

The Messi fanboys don't like context being added to the statistics.

Shevchenko scored more competitive goals at international level for Ukraine than Messi did for Argentina in about 30 less games.

Yes he scored against the likes of N. Ireland, Armenia, Wales (2001 version), Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Albania, Luxembourg, Andorra - would Messi get to play against countries as weak as that in WC and Copa America qualifiers?

Yes.

Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Venezeula.

And Messi plays for 14x Copa America winners and 2x World Cup Winners Argentina.

Those South American countries would be better than the European ones. Dont see what Argentinas past achievements have got to do with it, their squads in Messi's era were not to the standard that had gone before.

Were they not?

Jam packed with Champions League Winners and players whom huge transfer fees were paid for, their whole squads had players who played for the top teams in Europe.

Guys like Zanetti, Samuel, Cambiasso, Tevez, Di Maria, Mascherano, Ayala, Aguero, Crespo, Veron, Milito, Heinze, Pastore, Higuain, Riquelme, Gago, Banega, Heinze, Burdisso, Otamendi, Sorin, Dybala, Aimar, Maxi Rodriguez etc etc and there's loads more I've missed out on.

The difference was the Argentina squads of old had guys like Kempes and Maradona and this one had Messi. The former rose to the occasion and the latter floundered. Saying that the squad around Messi was poor is utterly preposterous, they were all regulars in some of the biggest club sides in Europe, CL, Serie A, EPL, La Liga winners and regulars in winning teams.

[Ed Ricketts]

You're a weird guy, Angelo.

The guts of a hundred pretty detailed posts in the last three days, virtually all of which aggressively pushing various unpopular opinions.

It almost seems like practice for something. Or some sort of bizarre performance art. Or just something not very healthy.

Is the time spent on this discussion board a positive influence on your life?