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« Reply #35325 on: October 13, 2021, 07:30:28 PM »
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009
This is why I feel Laverty would be better staying with the U20s for another couple of years and then making the transition to senior with that group of players.

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« Reply #35326 on: October 13, 2021, 08:38:44 PM »
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009

The 08/09 team wouldnít lace the boots of the 05 U21s team..

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« Reply #35327 on: October 13, 2021, 09:26:54 PM »
Honest question here and I don't know the answer. Do people really think Down have the players to get to division 1 and complete with the big boys.
No. Could be a top division 2 team and maybe dip our feet in div 1 the odd time. The new crop of u20 fills us with a bit of hope but it can be hard to integrate them into a senior set up without upsetting the balance of the squad plus you are only as strong as the new group of players coming behind you. Dublin especially benefitted from about 5 years of real strong u21 teams coming through the ranks and i can't see Down having that many strong squads come through in succession considering our last great u21 team was 2008-2009

The 08/09 team wouldnít lace the boots of the 05 U21s team..

Yes that 05 team was excellent, though I don't think very many players from either side went on to have long or distinguished careers at senior level (if you believe that shows greater quality I don't know). Both very good sides, but both losing All Ireland finals through leaking goals. The late goal in 2009 was a brutal end to a great game.

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« Reply #35328 on: October 13, 2021, 11:10:22 PM »
From the 05 team, Colgan, Rogers, Laverty, Carr, Mark Poland, McGovern and Clarke all went on play senior championship football. The 09 team produced Turley, Hanna, Fitzpatrick, Murphy, Maginn, O'Reilly, Devlin, McComiskey and Conor Poland who did likewise. Those are excellent returns from underage squads, and both sides were full of quality.

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« Reply #35329 on: October 14, 2021, 12:39:38 AM »
Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front- vacancy
Bryansford - no vacancy rebuilding and club committee understanding of that
Ballyholland - obviously no vacancy
Kilcoo - Micky Moran retiring , vacancy but not an attractive one as team on way down. They are turning on themselves at the minute , difficulties off pitch re sponsorship from the community and more.
Carryduff - Cahal Murray and D Morgan gone ,there too long and no progress .DJ Kane being pursued to come in.Also talk was James McCartan as his cousin is the power broker there. Maybe a DJ James McCartan combo- vacancy.
Burren - obviosly no vacancy
Mayobridge - Lots of old guard not happy with McKeever and want Benny back but issue is £ as club will not pay club member to manage so it is over to Benny on this one .Plenty of ways to get round this I'd say so Benny return on cards is £ issue sorted - vacancy
Clonduff - obviously no vacancy.
Warrenpoint - Things not good at all here.An internal power struggle at play here ,lots querying influence of Rose of Tralee man. Management were very weak all year and older players calling the shots, young Poland just not up to it apparently as trainer and management like a cheap fizzy wine all bubble and no substance.- vacancy.


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« Reply #35330 on: October 14, 2021, 01:37:30 AM »
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

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« Reply #35331 on: October 14, 2021, 06:32:32 AM »
From the 05 team, Colgan, Rogers, Laverty, Carr, Mark Poland, McGovern and Clarke all went on play senior championship football. The 09 team produced Turley, Hanna, Fitzpatrick, Murphy, Maginn, O'Reilly, Devlin, McComiskey and Conor Poland who did likewise. Those are excellent returns from underage squads, and both sides were full of quality.

All good players no doubt. As for distinguished senior careers, you could remove a lot of those names. Not trying to discredit any if those men, more an observation on longevity and achievements with regards to their senior careers.

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« Reply #35332 on: October 14, 2021, 06:36:03 AM »
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.

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« Reply #35333 on: October 14, 2021, 08:41:06 AM »
I think Bundy Mason should be given a shout at management. Good loughinisland man and gets the boys onside. Young team once the old player/manger finally hang up boots.


Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front-

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« Reply #35334 on: October 14, 2021, 08:46:12 AM »
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.

LMFAO you believe that crap, unless spewtree has access to every committee minutes in the county that is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read since the scums newspaper coverage of the Hillsborough disaster!

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« Reply #35335 on: October 14, 2021, 08:55:53 AM »
With all due respect for Bernie he will not be back with us
The semi final game against Kilcoo will tell a lot about a Ballyholland
Loughinisland agree they need a change as do Bredagh who should be doing a lot better
Donít think you are correct about the Glenn situation players want change
McKeever seems to be a favourite amongst the Mayobridge ones
Darragh Cross bottom of Division 2 this year Liatrom beat them
An Riocht brilliant intermediate run they have beaten 3 division 3 teams
Saul with Fegan to take over u did say he was the brains behind this squad so why so pooor?
Rostrevor do need a change they are very poor
Bryansford rebuilding? The men managing them have not improved them 1 bit


Why is anyone reading into what is possibly the weakest intermediate ever

Such a poor standard

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« Reply #35336 on: October 14, 2021, 09:29:31 AM »
With all due respect for Bernie he will not be back with us
The semi final game against Kilcoo will tell a lot about a Ballyholland
Loughinisland agree they need a change as do Bredagh who should be doing a lot better
Donít think you are correct about the Glenn situation players want change
McKeever seems to be a favourite amongst the Mayobridge ones
Darragh Cross bottom of Division 2 this year Liatrom beat them
An Riocht brilliant intermediate run they have beaten 3 division 3 teams
Saul with Fegan to take over u did say he was the brains behind this squad so why so pooor?
Rostrevor do need a change they are very poor
Bryansford rebuilding? The men managing them have not improved them 1 bit


Why is anyone reading into what is possibly the weakest intermediate ever

Such a poor standard


Intermediate is at a poor standard because the senior championship is as poor as it's been for a long time. No relegation for a couple of years has left teams in false positions too.

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« Reply #35337 on: October 14, 2021, 09:32:47 AM »
Division 2 -
St Johns - Rebuilding with Gilmores McMullan but underperformed to be in  relegation position .Queries over fitness and general conditioning of players, not a happy club.Result v Shamrocks last straw- vacancy
Annaclone -as above but run in championship covering the cracks as in relegation position .Committee already have knife out. Won't beat Darragh Cross in semi final - vacancy.
Saul - Very poor season after maiden IFC win, an extremely costly £££ management team which has committee not happy. Won 2 League games all year and one point from relegation. Issues regards player commitment and management commitment too but not happy with management overall .Only for the real brains in this management team John Fegan they would have been gone in August .As a result looks like John Fegan to be appointed with Peter McGrath junior , a very good combo.
Bredagh - With the numbers this club has, the last 2 years have been very poor. Brendan Mason was on borrowed time from club committee and then with the players reaction to  his decision to bring Frank Dawson in hastened his exit. Very poor year finishing 2 points from relegation. Promotion was committee expectation. - vacancy. Talk was Danny Hughes has been lined up for Bredagh.
Darragh Cross -A  great year under DJ and getting better.If he goes to Carryduff , maybe Enda Gormley could step up . - vacancy but possible Enda Gormley appointment.
An Riocht -Mid Table but great championship run Bernie Ruane working his magic. All happy with him but might we see Bernie Ruana being tempted backed to Warrenpoint - no vacancy unless Bernie Ruane goes back to Warrenpoint.
Glenn - no vacancy but expectation is to push on 2022.Players love Brendan Grant and Bagnall.
Longstone - club in decline and players not happy with Benny after not securing promotion, not saved by his negative championship night ! - vacancy.
Castlewellan - promotion and unlucky in championship.Promotion was the goal and only acceptable outcome . They will struggle in Division 1 in 2022, hence Danny moving on. Smart move.But think Danny Hughes has worked his magic and now he moves on.
Downpatrick - Great year and whole club revitalised by a very innovative and strong committee , unlucky v The Yellas and promotion back to Division 1 - very happy with Micky Walshs know how - no vacancy.

You certainly seem to have your ear to the ground. Not be long now until the merry go round kicks off.

LMFAO you believe that crap, unless spewtree has access to every committee minutes in the county that is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read since the scums newspaper coverage of the Hillsborough disaster!

There was a hint of sarcasm in my response.....

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« Reply #35338 on: October 14, 2021, 03:38:33 PM »
I think Bundy Mason should be given a shout at management. Good loughinisland man and gets the boys onside. Young team once the old player/manger finally hang up boots.


Coming into the business end of the year year , predictions are -
SFC - Burren
IFC - Darragh Cross
JFC - Aughlisnafin

Some games the last while and a few crackers to look forward to.Finally Kilcoo are going to be dethroned  and it won't be by Burren who will win Frank O'Hare , Ballyholland will beat an aging side.Ballyholland are probably the toughest team in this championship and will bully Kilcoo.But come final Burren class will see them over the line.
In IFC I'd love to see Drumgath do it aith a very shrewd combination of wee fry and Jackie Lynch but can't see past Darragh Cross .Drumgath beat a Leitrim team fancied by some but just not up to it and a very costly management set up I'm led to believe .Darragh Cross have the inspirational hero of the 90s DJ in charge and feel his know how and experience will guide them over the line.
Delighted to see DJ back patrolling the sideline and talk is after IFC and Ulster All Ireland  series over he may well be taking over Carryduff as he has been approached.
Now a lot of clubs looking new managements for 2022
Division 1 -
Rostrevor - Peter McGrath gone to be confirmed - presumed vacancy
Loughinisland - Jodi£ Gormley gone ,players not happy with his training and older player influence , Dan Gordon was real manager and Gormley front-

Was going to let it go by but what utter shite about Loughinislnd, Jody was the manager full stop in trainings and team talks, thought spewtree had forgot his password because itís been ages since heís be on talking shit

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« Reply #35339 on: October 14, 2021, 04:11:43 PM »
Hmmm not sure the language is needed. Seemed to be he was putting players into exile in a small club. Apparently he was the acting chairman and Dan and Co't were telling him what to do. Not my words, but no someone in the club (cannot name names).Think the club needs a reset and bundy back in hopefully.