What is everyone's take on this? I personally think that we should change back to the old way. The gap from u17 to senior is massive and let's be honest about it, u19 competitions are a joke. In Down, it was run off like a go games blitz and only a handful of teams entered as your best u19s are involved in seniors. It was ok the way it was!
Would rather the 13.5 or 14.5 age groups be allowed to keep lads playing with people their same year in school.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 04, 2021, 03:12:30 PM
Would rather the 13.5 or 14.5 age groups be allowed to keep lads playing with people their same year in school.
That's worth looking at I think, it makes a big difference when they're younger.
I'm not sure it makes a big difference any more with U17 or U18. Most lads aren't breaking into senior teams until 19 or 20 because they're not physically ready. I agree the U19 wasn't run well in Down, some of our lads were playing 4 games a week at one stage with the senior league compressed as well this year. Sort of goes against the reasoning behind going to the odd numbers to reduce the demand on the players in that overlapping group.
My kids started playing soccer lately and the big advantage I see there is no crossover in ages, they've U10s, 11s, 12s etc and they're not expected to play for 2 teams, never mind across 2 ages at both codes.
Pick one setup (odd or even), stick to it, and stop f$%#ing around with it. Mayo are doing a split year which has been messy.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 04, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
I've heard a few parents saying that jump from 13 to 15 seems to be bigger than 12 to 14. It's hard to get it right unless, as you said, you have the numbers to play it at each age group. Most clubs couldn't do it.
u17 a disaster
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
its only 11 a side
Mayo used have the primary competitions as evens, with odds starting around now (u-17 the exception, tried it a few years, didn't work). Now the tables have changed with the odds played throughout the summer, and evens starting a week or two ago. I expect it'll continue on this way.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:16:20 PM
But the principle is the same? There is still a cut off date in the calendar?
A 1st year could be (almost) a year older than another first year.
I don't really think that schools have year group competitions for any other reason than that they have year groups.
Edit: Unless of course you are saying that there is a club competition for every year group and you only play your own year group.
Would clubs have the players for that? The facilities for it?
Yes that's true, but physically there won't be that huge a difference between kids in the same year group.
If you have "competitive" grades with 2nd year kids playing with and against 4th year kids then the 2nd years are not going to get much football and could also get injured against the bigger older players.
IMO, the u14, u16 age bands didn't have this as so much of an issue.
There's never going to be an ideal grouping I guess, but I think the overriding purpose of the structures should be to keep kids playing games for as long as possible and unfortunately I think the current setup doesnt do that.
There will always be clubs who don't have the numbers at every age group, which is another problem altogether.
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
u13?
From what I understand , the move from u18 to u17 was made to protect the u18 who was getting pulled and dragged between numerous teams. However the vast majority of kids just play with their club and don't play county minor + adult football at that age. As mentioned by others, the gap from minor to adult football is now bigger, for the vast majority of young lads. U19 can never be a serious grade as it clashes with adult football in a way that u18 did not. The drop off rates will surely increase. There was no need to change.
Quote from: StephenC on October 04, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Pick one setup (odd or even), stick to it, and stop f$%#ing around with it. Mayo are doing a split year which has been messy.
Mayo always did a split year even when it was evens
I know several lads in U17 who are saying this is their last year in football. U20 doesn't appeal to them. Sad situation. Should never have changed.
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Quote from: StephenC on October 04, 2021, 04:05:21 PM
Pick one setup (odd or even), stick to it, and stop f$%#ing around with it. Mayo are doing a split year which has been messy.
Mayo always did a split year even when it was evens
The BS between the divisional boards and the BnO this year has been shite. Pick an age group and let us at it for the year.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
The U14 and U16 system would have had the 2nd year/4th year problem too. The problem isn't with the school year they are in, it's due to them being 2 years older. Therefore, no matter what cut off date you go for, the exact same issue will remain.
There are currently clubs who struggle for numbers with the 2 year age bracket. They (and many others) will never be able to field at every 1 year age group.
Add in clubs trying to facilitate all of these new teams across all codes. It's a non-runner.
Yeah, my 11 yo out this evening playing against lads who are 14 since January, because we can't field a U14 team from the 2 years. Numbers are what is killing small clubs.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
So you're playing with lads you already run about with in school. Especially for lads who stay on, half the year are playing minors and half can only play senior
Because of Covid my young lad ended up playing under 12 as 11 year old in 2020 and under 13 as a 12 year old in 2021 (this year) on a panel of 25. So he's had two consecutive years as the younger age. When I say he played, that is an exaggeration. He trained and sat on the bench for games with a plethora of others.
The school years made sense - granted for one season you would play against people older than you however for the second year most of the teams you met would have players from the same year at school.
For a child it is comfortable playing against kids in your own year - even though some may be bigger you will still see them as a peer.
With it being odd numbers, even if you are in your final year at that age group and seen as the 'oldest' in the group you could still be playing against players a year above you.
The confidence that kids should feel in their final year at a level never materialises. I know for a fact clubs have lost a number of kids already & this is the core reason.
It will only get worse as well unfortunately.
Has anyone actually explained why they changed the younger grades - under 11, 13 & 15
They moved u17 because of player welfare concerns. In the old system, a talented 18 year old would have been expected to player county minor hurling and football, club minor hurling and football, club senior hurling and football. Even beyond player welfare, it's a fixture chaos situation, especially at championship time. True, most people aren't dual players. But I believe it has had the desired effect.
Keeping the grades 2 years apart (17, 15, 13) of course made sense at that point.
But in retrospect the better thing to do might have been to change the age of adulthood (eligibility for adult competitions) to 19.
I'm still not sure it solves many of the concerns discussed in this thread, as some of them are clearly related to the changeover of the system rather than the new system, while some are just blathering.
80%+ of children quit Gaelic football before they're 21 years old. It's usually because they're missing one or more of the core faculties needed to excel in a sport that requires dedication to physical conditioning, and occasionally it happens because there's just nowhere for them to go (a good, dedicated player joining the adult ranks after 5-6 years of good teams coming through before him). Dropout is rarely if ever attributable to age grade cutoffs.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 05, 2021, 08:41:42 AM
They moved u17 because of player welfare concerns. In the old system, a talented 18 year old would have been expected to player county minor hurling and football, club minor hurling and football, club senior hurling and football. Even beyond player welfare, it's a fixture chaos situation, especially at championship time. True, most people aren't dual players. But I believe it has had the desired effect.
Keeping the grades 2 years apart (17, 15, 13) of course made sense at that point.
But in retrospect the better thing to do might have been to change the age of adulthood (eligibility for adult competitions) to 19.
I'm still not sure it solves many of the concerns discussed in this thread, as some of them are clearly related to the changeover of the system rather than the new system, while some are just blathering.
80%+ of children quit Gaelic football before they're 21 years old. It's usually because they're missing one or more of the core faculties needed to excel in a sport that requires dedication to physical conditioning, and occasionally it happens because there's just nowhere for them to go (a good, dedicated player joining the adult ranks after 5-6 years of good teams coming through before him). Dropout is rarely if ever attributable to age grade cutoffs.
It is a culmination wobbler - if a child is constantly playing against bigger/older players in age levels the interest wanes until the drop off is inevitable.
They might not quit when until the older age groups however the process was set in motion earlier in their career.
You cannot estimate the knock in confidence this is having in kids.
Consistently playing against your school peers brings a kid on an awful lot
I remember seeing a stat a few years ago that 70+ % of Olympic athletes were born in the first three months of their school year. The stats for premier league footballers were similar. I wonder what the stats are in GAA and does the two year age groups impact on that. The working theory was the older kids tended to bigger stronger etc earlier and therefore came to the fore sooner and got more coaching and playing time as a result.
I have yet to see an u19 competition in Ulster or Ireland that has been taking seriously? The best players are playing senior football
Quote from: David McKeown on October 05, 2021, 09:15:37 AM
I remember seeing a stat a few years ago that 70+ % of Olympic athletes were born in the first three months of their school year. The stats for premier league footballers were similar. I wonder what the stats are in GAA and does the two year age groups impact on that. The working theory was the older kids tended to bigger stronger etc earlier and therefore came to the fore sooner and got more coaching and playing time as a result.
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell covers this in detail. The figures are staggering. I can't see any reason why the GAA would be immune from this. Although the different age cut offs between club and school might actually be a good thing. The lad born in November is at a statistical disadvantage for club, but he would be one of the oldest on a school team. I was born in February, which was great for me. But was always a tougher ask making the school team than the club team on my "good" year, as there was more competition.
No matter where you put the cut off, there will be some lads who missed it by a month. It's up to coaches to recognise this and make allowances for it.
My concern with minor being a year early is that lads will drift away as they become forcefully disengaged. I'm not talking about the lads who would have been lost anyway , but the lad who will play if he feels he has something worth playing for , but won't if he does not. There are 17 year olds who are just not physically ready for even lower division adult football. One year makes a big difference at that age.
In my experience the school year thing is most important at primary school levels as kids are inclined to stick at it if their friends at school are also on the same team. When the GAA was calendar year then you'd some of the class playing a different agegroup to their classmates and some dropped out due to it.
Down moved to the school years a few years before Croke Park started messing around with it and IMO it works for us as a club. I'd be more ambivalent to it at the older agegroups as kids are more developed and confident and can take or leave the calendar year vrs school year debate either way.
As for U19's, it patently isn't working as intended due to the overlap with adult competitions and is an end of year, in the depths of winter, box ticking competition but there were similar issues with U18's as there was an overlap with adult competitions as well but was squeezed in somewhere or other.
Moving the requirement to be over 19 to play adult competitions will be the death knell for small, rural clubs. trust me on that one.
Johnny out of curiosity, why are you thinking one more year of juvenile classification would create a death knell?
It is obviously vital to have players coming through each year. Surely the actual handover age isn't as important as the process?
By the way, I'd have no qualms with 16 year olds playing adult football myself. The problem inherent is that we are perhaps the only sporting organisation on earth in which when a player is talented enough to move up a grade, we force him to play both grades.
Quote from: thewobbler on October 05, 2021, 10:23:01 AM
Johnny out of curiosity, why are you thinking one more year of juvenile classification would create a death knell?
It is obviously vital to have players coming through each year. Surely the actual handover age isn't as important as the process?
By the way, I'd have no qualms with 16 year olds playing adult football myself. The problem inherent is that we are perhaps the only sporting organisation on earth in which when a player is talented enough to move up a grade, we force him to play both grades.
I believed you were moving it up two age groups and not the one but then U19 would still have the overlap with adult competitions with no gain for those 18yo's unless I misunderstand you.
Here's one for you. We've a 15yo who was on our U15 team this year and he plays rugby and is training with the Ulster U18 development squad yet can't play U17 intercounty hurling which he's well capable of.
Now I think the GAA are entirely right in not allowing those U15 to play U17 intercounty yet the rugby crowd have no qualms over playing a 15yo @ U18...
It would be one year up.
Currently if born in 2004 or later, you're a juvenile for all of 2021.
What I'm suggesting is that if we were to return to u18, 16, 14, then from a fixtures/burnout perspective the rule for 2021 would be better implemented as "if born in 2003 or later, you're a juvenile for all of 2021".
This would though be self-contradictory, as a lad born on 1 Jan 2003 would be an adult in the eyes of the law (and insurance makers) for an entire year before he can play senior football.
This I suppose though is fundamentally why the top brass forced in 17-15-13, for as it stands, anyone playing u17 grade this season cannot become a full adult / 18 years old during any part of the season.
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The u19 grade is utterly pointless. It will always be a shambles as the better players will be on their club's senior panel, and the less interested players will either be living it up at uni, or earning enough coin to do things that interests them more. In Down there are maybe 4-5 clubs with a big enough pick to generate a team from what's left.
The u19 grade is a disaster and I guarantee clubs have lost more players earlier than before.
Quote from: Truth hurts on October 05, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
The u19 grade is a disaster and I guarantee clubs have lost more players earlier than before.
agreed.
the lower age groups should be aligned to school year, a simple no brainer
its a farce that one lad in a given school year can play u13 or u15 and his class mate cant, yet they play on same school team etc
u13 - all 2nd years and down
u15 - all 4th years and down
change u17 - back to u18
Quote from: Onthe40 on October 05, 2021, 11:55:00 AM
the lower age groups should be aligned to school year, a simple no brainer
its a farce that one lad in a given school year can play u13 or u15 and his class mate cant, yet they play on same school team etc
u13 - all 2nd years and down
u15 - all 4th years and down
change u17 - back to u18
Only issue I'd have there is it's a big jump for a lad coming out of U15's to be playing against lads at 18 especially with the gym work a lot of fellas do. U16 then u18 is the best way I think. (Or 16.5 and 18.5 whatever the school year is)
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 05, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
Would it align across the country?
What is a 4th year in the south? Is their school cut off date the same as it is in the north?
This could make a balls of Féile, Ulster championships and All Irelands.
Feíle has changed drastically and you won't be having host counties and the weekend tournaments ever again. It'll be more like county winners attention regional blitzes played off in a day and at U15.
Some of the southern contributors may be able to clarify, but is junior cert @16yo and leaving cert at 18yo?
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 05, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
Would it align across the country?
What is a 4th year in the south? Is their school cut off date the same as it is in the north?
This could make a balls of Féile, Ulster championships and All Irelands.
Feíle has changed drastically and you won't be having host counties and the weekend tournaments ever again. It'll be more like county winners attention regional blitzes played off in a day and at U15.
Some of the southern contributors may be able to clarify, but is junior cert @16yo and leaving cert at 18yo?
Junior Cert at 15/16
LC can be 17/18 or even 19 now.
Transition year is optional
with safeguarding etc there definitely won't be any more weekend Feiles!
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 04, 2021, 05:29:11 PM
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
u13?
There was no u13 here anyway....I didn't know there was such a thing.
Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting there is a competition at club level for every school year group. Only suggesting the old u12, u14, u16 groupings were better as there is less of a chance of there being huge physical differences in the kids.
I could be wrong, I'm basing it on a personal experience with my own son.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2021, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 05, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
Would it align across the country?
What is a 4th year in the south? Is their school cut off date the same as it is in the north?
This could make a balls of Féile, Ulster championships and All Irelands.
Feíle has changed drastically and you won't be having host counties and the weekend tournaments ever again. It'll be more like county winners attention regional blitzes played off in a day and at U15.
Some of the southern contributors may be able to clarify, but is junior cert @16yo and leaving cert at 18yo?
I understand the Covid present, but surely Feile was as good a lifetime experience as any in GAA terms for youth.
I just can't warm to the new system. There was nothing wrong with the old system.
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 04, 2021, 04:02:08 PM
I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
u13?
There was no u13 here anyway....I didn't know there was such a thing.
Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting there is a competition at club level for every school year group. Only suggesting the old u12, u14, u16 groupings were better as there is less of a chance of there being huge physical differences in the kids.
I could be wrong, I'm basing it on a personal experience with my own son.
We have u13 here in Tyrone.
U7.5, 9.5, 11.5 then 13, 15 and 17.
There is a smaller gap for the likes of your son. The oldest he would be up against at u13 would be someone 18 months older.
It means primary school kids play with their own class mates which encourages them to keep at it but Secondary it is aligned by the year you are born. Personally I like that split between school and club football as different players have good birthdays for school and club.
Everyone has u13
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I'm not against it but why does keeping them in school years make a big difference?
The big advantage soccer has, from what I can see, is that they don't struggle for numbers. They are able to field a few teams at every age group.
Then again, giving kids a shed load of games on a consistent and regular basis will attract them.
From my own experience, I have a wee lad who graduated from u12s to u15.5 this year as opposed to going into u14s due to the changes.
He's was in 2nd year, small-average size for his age. First night at training he was training with 4th years, some of which are touching the 6ft height and built like tanks. He was intimidated out of it but I was also worried he'd get hurt against lads so big.
As it happened he did pick up an injury which kept him out for the rest of the year and now he's very reluctant to go back.
It doesn't matter what way you look at it, a 2nd year vs a 4th year is not sensible in my mind. This is why I think they should keep it at school years.
The schools have year group based competitions for this reason.
u13?
There was no u13 here anyway....I didn't know there was such a thing.
Just to clarify, I'm not suggesting there is a competition at club level for every school year group. Only suggesting the old u12, u14, u16 groupings were better as there is less of a chance of there being huge physical differences in the kids.
I could be wrong, I'm basing it on a personal experience with my own son.
We have u13 here in Tyrone.
U7.5, 9.5, 11.5 then 13, 15 and 17.
There is a smaller gap for the likes of your son. The oldest he would be up against at u13 would be someone 18 months older.
It means primary school kids play with their own class mates which encourages them to keep at it but Secondary it is aligned by the year you are born. Personally I like that split between school and club football as different players have good birthdays for school and club.
Is u13 (u13.5?) a new grade then?
Maybe I've missed something completely, which is more than possible. So my lad went from u12s straight to u15.5. On that year it was my understanding that it was the first year of u15.5 and normally he'd have been going to u14s so he was never near an u13s team.
Maybe he's just the exception with how his birthday falls in that he missed the entire u13 grade and had to go to u15.5.
I must go and have a chat with some of the other coaches to see if I can work this out. Either way, he'd definately be too old for u13 now.
u13, u15 and u17 is now mandatory
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 06, 2021, 10:12:27 AM
Nobody should be going from U12 to U15.5 ffs.
yeah that's the point I was trying to make, but that's what happened my lad. I thought it was just the way of it now, but I'm starting to think now there's been a balls up somewhere along the way and he's missed a year of u13.5.
He's lost a year of football now anyway with being injured but he's reluctant to go back given his experience of making that jump straight to u15.5 even though he'd now legitimately be u15.5 as he turned 14 over the summer.
Something not adding up there.
Every county has to have u13, u15 and u17
Most counties have u11.5, u9.5 and u7.5 below that based on school ages but its not prescribed
Every county has to have one age grade above u17 to bridge to senior
Each county decides on additional grades beyond that. Big counties run the even numbered age grades also.
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
Something not adding up there.
Every county has to have u13, u15 and u17
Most counties have u11.5, u9.5 and u7.5 below that based on school ages but its not prescribed
Every county has to have one age grade above u17 to bridge to senior
Each county decides on additional grades beyond that. Big counties run the even numbered age grades also.
I think he means they were playing U12 (maybe 12.5s?) and with the restructure he went to 15s instead of 14s. Some counties went a year later than others
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Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
Something not adding up there.
Every county has to have u13, u15 and u17
Most counties have u11.5, u9.5 and u7.5 below that based on school ages but its not prescribed
Every county has to have one age grade above u17 to bridge to senior
Each county decides on additional grades beyond that. Big counties run the even numbered age grades also.
I think he means they were playing U12 (maybe 12.5s?) and with the restructure he went to 15s instead of 14s. Some counties went a year later than others
Yeah that's what I meant.....only you said it better :)
With the restructuring, i didn't realise there was an u13.5 grade, and certainly within the club at the time I was told he had to move to u15.5.
It might just be an anomaly of when his birthday is and not what happened the majority.
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Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 06, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
Something not adding up there.
Every county has to have u13, u15 and u17
Most counties have u11.5, u9.5 and u7.5 below that based on school ages but its not prescribed
Every county has to have one age grade above u17 to bridge to senior
Each county decides on additional grades beyond that. Big counties run the even numbered age grades also.
I think he means they were playing U12 (maybe 12.5s?) and with the restructure he went to 15s instead of 14s. Some counties went a year later than others
Yeah that's what I meant.....only you said it better :)
With the restructuring, i didn't realise there was an u13.5 grade, and certainly within the club at the time I was told he had to move to u15.5.
It might just be an anomaly of when his birthday is and not what happened the majority.
Are you in Armagh where I think they went the school year all the way up?
Quote from: johnnycool on October 07, 2021, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on October 06, 2021, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on October 06, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on October 06, 2021, 11:08:38 AM
Something not adding up there.
Every county has to have u13, u15 and u17
Most counties have u11.5, u9.5 and u7.5 below that based on school ages but its not prescribed
Every county has to have one age grade above u17 to bridge to senior
Each county decides on additional grades beyond that. Big counties run the even numbered age grades also.
I think he means they were playing U12 (maybe 12.5s?) and with the restructure he went to 15s instead of 14s. Some counties went a year later than others
Yeah that's what I meant.....only you said it better :)
With the restructuring, i didn't realise there was an u13.5 grade, and certainly within the club at the time I was told he had to move to u15.5.
It might just be an anomaly of when his birthday is and not what happened the majority.
Are you in Armagh where I think they went the school year all the way up?
No, but not a million miles away. Tyrone for my sins.