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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 14, 2017, 01:31:21 PM »
Amazes me all these experts on here. I doubt very much a single post has been made by anyone who has been involved in a case such as this or with any experience of a similar scenario. 
Much of what I have read here is wild surmise, possibly rooted in intolerance.
I can think of several other more dangerous influences on a young school child, academic selection at the age of 11 to name but one! But that's a whole other debate.

What is wrong with academic selection?  If my kids are academic I would like them to go to a Grammar School.  If they are not I would prefer they went elsewhere and focused on the subjects and skills that suit them rather than being piled in with everyone else, probably put into a lower class in the same school (that is the alternative selection) and maybe be made feel inferior simply because they are not tuned academically when in reality is will be better for them to grow up and aim for what suits their individual strengths best.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 14, 2017, 11:31:03 AM »

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.
So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.
As you know full well, it's the people who use the word I objected to who use that implication, not me.

Use the word in a derogatory manner and see whether Travellers and will object to it or not.

Gordon D'Arcy did so the other day and got clamped on it by John Connors.

As I said not wild up to speed with Irish Law and do not watch much tv or follow much news apart from the like of these boards so thanks for that info - I take it John Connors is an Irish Traveller - in a way it is a bit sad if these people have actually accepted that the term relates to them and are into monitoring how it is used rather than ignore it or point out its literal meaning.  Is there a history of Irish Travellers with this particular profession?

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 14, 2017, 10:09:16 AM »

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.
So you do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way.

These days the word is mainly used in a derogatory, racist way against the Travelling Community and when it's used in a derogatory way against anybody, even if they're not Travellers, it becomes a racist term. Whoever the slur is made against are equated to Travellers, with the automatic implication that the Travelling Community are the lowest of the low in society.

It's a custom that members of communities that are currently or have historically been oppressed can appropriate words that have commonly been used against them and use them as they wish, while if people who are not members of that community use these words as a slur it is most certainly considered both derogatory and racist, or in the case of the gay or transgender communities, homophobic or transphobic respectively.

Derogatory in the same way as if some called those with a certain collective way of thinking a bunch of vaginas. I would not be thinking that they were literally meaning that is what they are, I would identify it as derogatory but I would not then be turning round and saying it was a sexist remark.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned I am at a complete loss to understand - are you saying people of a specific group can use a derogatory term all they want if it is a term that is in some way associated with them in a derogatory manner but when anyone else uses it it is justification for hanging, drawing and quartering?  Surely these terms are either acceptable or not full stop?

A note on Irish travellers and your 'lowest of the low in society' - do you know any Irish travellers?  From my experience they are proud, hard working people.  They have great faith and much stronger values than many in the population.  Yes there are a few rogues but not any more than society in general.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:30:42 AM »


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?
Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals?
Don't play dumb. It's more than obvious what context he was using it in.

Although, to be fair, a dead horse would be a fair description of stewpid's political beliefs.

No I am being deadly serious here.

He uses the word kn**ker, which means someone who disposes of dead animals, to seemingly describe people with a certain collective way of thinking.

I do not doubt it was meant in a derogatory way but nonetheless I do not think the travelling community need to be referenced.

Or what are these laws that allow members of the travelling community to use a word when others are not allowed to use it? That is a genuine question as well as I am not up to speed with the specifics of Irish law.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 13, 2017, 03:30:15 PM »


Why didn't you mention the fact girls/women wearing trousers was considered crossdressing before Sidley??? I get it, its like the confederate statues that so offended you after the first one was torn down by liberal knackers isn't it?
Ah, you're now going in for outright racism, I see (assuming you're not a member of the Travelling Community, who can use that word - another little  double standard as regards the ability to use a certain word that is rightly allowed when a people gets systematically discriminated against).

Of course no doubt you won't consider that word to be racist...

Interesting that you associated the word with the travelling community.

Is a kn**ker not someone who disposes of dead animals? 

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:29:30 PM »
Maybe a simple solution given the debate here about trousers being for girls as well is to stick the 6 yr old in trousers and tell him they are girls trousers, or even better go and buy him girls trousers.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 13, 2017, 01:20:12 PM »
But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?
I don't think there's any need to expressly tech kids at six about transgender issues. What there is a need for is to teach kids of all ages not to giving bully anyone because of how they look/dress/sounds/act etc.

Actually never mind kids, people of all ages need to be taught that, including some complete f**king muppets who fancy themselves as hilarious comedians on this board.

There is already an anti-bully charter for schools but while it might reduce bullying it will never eradicate it - kids, particularly primary school kids can be cruel.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:40:26 AM »
That PSG team were superb last night. It will be interesting to see how Bayern cope with them.

It's a moot point imo whether celtic could or should have done better, 5 nil was about right, the target is to finish ahead of Anderlecht who have a better squad and recent european record than Celtic.

Maybe a moot point but I would have liked us to play without fear after last seasons experience but then again first game and against a fantastic collection of footballers so hopefully shake that off a bit now as we go and start to build performances.  And yes will be up against it in every game to a greater or lesser degree but this is a competition where a lot of our young players can come of age so hopefully we can exceed our coefficient standing.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: September 13, 2017, 11:21:35 AM »
A little bit of reality is needed, Barca and PSG regularly post 5-0's against teams with better players and bigger budgets than Celtic, why in God's name do we expect Celtic to hold them to 0-0? That type of a result will only happen once in a blue moon, not Rodgers fault. Even Juve couldn't stop Messi last night and we expect Celtic to close out PSG, its like Antrim taking on Galway or Kilkenny a hiding is always the most likely outcome. Take it learn from it and move on. At least none of Celtic's players behaved like the money grabbing tr**p Neymar. Thank fcuk Barca let him go, I hope he destroys PSG with his self delusional arrogance.

I still maintain we could have performed better but even at that would probably still have been on nil points this morning so I am not going to lose too much sleep over it.  As we all know it is the two games against Anderlecht that really are our group games.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 13, 2017, 10:35:12 AM »
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.
Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

But by the same token it is inevitable that a kid will get attention for the like or should extra effort be made to teach all primary school kids that a boy wanting to wear skirts and be a girl is normal and expect that this gets through?

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 13, 2017, 10:31:47 AM »
Let him wear the dress if he wants but don't be getting all upset if he comes home saying he is getting called names.
Yes, a 6 year old child is a legitimate target for bullying if he/she wishes to wear different clothes to most of his/her peers.

It is a young child in a dress. Relax yourselves.

Yeah if you had read on down you would have seen my next comment was to explain that I did not realise it was a 6yr old.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: September 13, 2017, 08:44:43 AM »
Defeat not unexpected last night, manner of it disappointing though.  Like last season in Barcelona we changed our shape and way of playing only to suffer a heavy defeat. 

I get that the defence was down to the bare bones and the manager wanted to protect them as well as maybe seeing a backs to the wall approach best for nicking a point but like Camp Nou the tactics resulted in us taking a hiding and not laying a glove on the opposition. 

In ways it is a taste of our own medicine when the financial advantage is the other way in Scotland but Anderlecht were always going to be the two games that determined our success in the group.  As such and with the value of hindsight we maybe should just go toe to toe with PSG and Bayern as it would mean we play a game we are familiar with and could not do any worse. 

Players also looked scared last night which was disappointing.  Great thing about Celtic Park down the years is that we fear no one but hey on we go, we wanted the glamour but the glamour can be merciless these days.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: September 13, 2017, 08:37:26 AM »
But in fairness he's right. You're one if the biggest d**kheads on this Board

Up there with the knob who invaded the pitch in terms of attention seeking.

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 12, 2017, 12:45:15 PM »
I know a couple of secondary school teachers and they have had to deal with students identifying as transgender over the past few years. The unfair thing is that, with all the cutbacks to counselling services in schools in the Republic, teachers are having to deal with these issues themselves, without expert support, for them or the students.

It is a really difficult question to face. Purely from my gut, I'd like to see kids make these decisions when they are older, at least beyond the start of puberty. But I don't know enough about the issues, and I'm sure that there have been cases of gender misidentification, where, biologically, a younger child could be intrinsically female (in terms of their chromosomes) whilst being treated from birth as a boy. Sex organs are not the only signifiers of gender. Again, I'd need to do some more research, but I feel for everyone involved here. I doubt the parents of the student involved started out with the ambition of having a transgender child, given how much prejudice they could face, and as for the other parents, there is always an instinct to preserve a child for as long as possible from having to face issues of gender and sexuality.

But transgender people have always existed, they are now more visible and vocal in terms of their rights as a group, and people are going to have to deal with that.

Obviously Tony, I don't include you in "people". You, God and Nature can continue ordaining genders for people to your heart's content.

Maybe not in this case but it might surprise you....

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General discussion / Re: Cross dressing school kids on Isle of Wight
« on: September 12, 2017, 12:43:15 PM »
At my kids school they had a child called Jim last year and now in Upper 6th he's now called Laura.. huge difference in the ages of course but seems to be happening more and more

What was wrong with Jamine?

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