The ulster rugby trial

[Syferus]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Pathetic.

[johnnycool]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Have a wee read at what Weinstein was up to;

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/13/opinion/contributors/salma-hayek-harvey-weinstein.html

[seafoid]

Over a year the lads would get through a lot of women. I Wonder how popular they will be in Ollies after this.

I would say they will be able to get a woman in it regardless of the verdict.

I'd say they would feel more at home here :

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/lesbian-lust-and-catfights-in-belfast-jail-36660335.html

[David McKeown]

This is turning into a complete mess.

Any of the legal experts (only seems to be 2 people here who actually know how the legal system works) know what is normal procedure when this type of thing happens with jurors sick/missing etc?

Basically I'd say they'll assess what happens with the sick juror, as they did with the first one. The trial can continue with 10 in the jury but getting close to mistrial territory.

And do they go again then?

If so would they have a new group of jurors and how would you even go about getting someone who hasnt been following or have knowledge of the case?

I think yea its new jury, new judge etc and it all starts again. Going by social media its really a lottery as to what the verdict would be in that case. Everyone has their mind made up before it begins.

If there were to be a problem with the number of jurors then it would be up to the PPS if they wished to seek a retrial having assessed how the first trial had gone etc. That would mean starting again with a new jury but it would be unusual for the judge to change. We are a long way from that though.

[HiMucker]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Could some of them have made a different choice?  Of course they could, but that's missing the point entirely.  How many male actors were put in similar situation?  It will be miniscule in comparison.  Peter Jackson is on record that Harvey Weinstein basically stopped Judd getting a role in LOTR.  Because she stood up to him and missed out on what would have been arguably the biggest role of her career.  And you wonder why other women didn't do the same?

[gallsman]

I repeat, Asal Mor, you are an absolute f**king embarrassment.

[imtommygunn]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Ach now that is poor. Paint themselves as victims. You are coming across like fearon- that is the level of that post.

[David McKeown]

@David McKeown, David, in your experience does deleting texts and similar amount to destroying evidence?

Harrison as I understand it is charged with committing an act likely to pervert the course of justice (unlike rape etc) this is still a common law offence so it's impossible to exhaustively define what can amount to such an act but destroying evidence certainly can. That said simply deleting texts and whats apps wouldn't be enough I mean if I was to delete mine now I wouldn't have committed the offence. There needs to be more, such as he was told not to delete them as they were evidence or he should have known in all the circumstances they would amount to evidence etc. I haven't seen any evidence about when these things were supposed to have been deleted.

Moreover I'm confused by what exactly has happened, some reports I've read seem to suggest he deleted everything by wiping his phone. Other suggest he deleted individual messages but again I've no idea what the evidence for this was if he deleted his entire phone. I suppose that's the issue woth only getting synopsises of days of evidence

[Asal Mor]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Ach now that is poor. Paint themselves as victims. You are coming across like fearon- that is the level of that post.

You're equating child sex abuse victims with consenting adults there Tommy. A perfect illustration of how silly the victim culture has gone.

[Syferus]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Ach now that is poor. Paint themselves as victims. You are coming across like fearon- that is the level of that post.

You're equating child sex abuse victims with consenting adults there Tommy. A perfect illustration of how silly the victim culture has gone.

You've been found out. I knew it for a while.

[imtommygunn]

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

I'm sure most prostitutes are faced with tough life choices too. They both take the decision to sell their bodies. I don't accept that the movie industry is so small that those actresses couldn't have rejected the advances of a Weinstein type and tried to have made it somewhere else.

I bet that most prostitutes wouldn't find the comparison as surprising as you do.

Wow.

Asal Mor, folks.

I'm not talking about those women who were raped or assaulted by Weinstein types obviously.

Of course you're not.
The rest thought he was a real hunk and couldn't wait to get stripped for action in his hotel room........

He abused his position of power where he could make or break their careers and exploited these girls end off and if you can't see that then there's no hope for you.

He certainly had the power to make their careers but it's horseshit to say he had the power to break them. It's the kind of horseshit that goes unquestioned though, as it's labelled "victim blaming".  He's just one man(ok he was very powerful) in a huge global industry. If they were talented enough there's literally a whole world of opportunities and auditions for them. They took the shortcut to the high life and then try to paint themselves as victims.

Ach now that is poor. Paint themselves as victims. You are coming across like fearon- that is the level of that post.

You're equating child sex abuse victims with consenting adults there Tommy. A perfect illustration of how silly the victim culture has gone.

I meant in the controversial, unpopular and pretty ludicrous nature of your post.

Sometimes a victim is actually a victim. Yes granted not 100 percent of the time but if you think 100 % of the people accusing weinstein just suffer from victim complex then that is not a good position.

[Tony Baloney]

Come on lads lets not pretend you havent bought the missus something with a view towards a bit of filth as repayment.

[Syferus]

Come on lads lets not pretend you havent bought the missus something with a view towards a bit of filth as repayment.

Tony.. Fearon?

Surely you see this is not a topic you should be making light of?

[Asal Mor]

As I clearly stated earlier Tommy, I'm not talking about the women that Weinstein physically forced himself on. I'm talking about those who had a choice and still had sex with him.

[Milltown Row2]

Come on lads lets not pretend you havent bought the missus something with a view towards a bit of filth as repayment.

Boots! Very expensive