The ulster rugby trial

[johnnycool]

I honestly believe that Jackson and Olding would be really foolish to take the stand. Once up there they leave themselves wide open to be caught out in cross examination. Also they would be crucified for their 'lad' behaviour and will come across as even bigger scumbags than they already are. It's one thing to type 'top shagger' but to be made say it....and the Prosecution would have them repeating those types of statements. Your decision making process is influenced mostly by what you hear.

People say how she has been consistent but it's easy for one person to have a straight story. All the defendants may have differing versions of the same set of facts but can all be telling the truth.  Her reaction the next day is unusual. Their reaction the next day is similar to that of many shit heads. I simply think that to get this above reasonable doubt there needs to be stronger independent evidence and that is not there in my opinion.

Conversely any good prosecution team can use them not taking the stand to savage them in the closing arguments. The reason they're in a no-win situation is because they're very likely guilty of a crime.

Asal Mor's open contempt for movements like MeToo that has exposed systematic levels of sexual assault in western society really highlight what sort of person he is.

While the #metoo movement was largely positive, it did see an abdication of personal responsibility from plenty of women(some of whom were leading lights in the movement), who made a conscious decision to further their careers and fatten their bank accounts in exchange for giving sexual favours to powerful men.
It's bullshit.

I have no issue with prostitutes, who do the same thing, but take personal responsibility for their decisions.

The problem with that statement is that these powerful men abused their positions of power to obtain sexual favours.
I'm sure the women in question knew only too well that not giving in to the advances would mean the end of their careers and probably before they got a foothold in the acting game.
I'd bet established actresses were not targeted by these dirty fucks.

A prostitute takes part in sex for the financial reward, there is no expectation beyond that. These girls were not prostitutes but put in a compromising position with a stark choice to make not related to their skillset on audition and I can't see how you could draw parallels with both.

[AQMP]

@David McKeown, David, in your experience does deleting texts and similar amount to destroying evidence?

Did he delete them though? Or was his phone memory "wiped"?

Indeed.

[GetOverTheBar]

Juror sick, so jury sent home for the day.  A decision to be made later today about how to proceed.  Jury has been asked to sit next Saturday morning.

Not be long before certain gents in here accuse the Jury of purposely delaying the trial in some sort of plot to delay their verdict...of course these same gents have declared them guilty from day one, so it shouldn't really matter that the defence case was supposed to start today.

[gallsman]

While the #metoo movement was largely positive, it did see an abdication of personal responsibility from plenty of women(some of whom were leading lights in the movement), who made a conscious decision to further their careers and fatten their bank accounts in exchange for giving sexual favours to powerful men.

The absolute f**king state of this. You are an embarrassment.

[AQMP]

Juror sick, so jury sent home for the day.  A decision to be made later today about how to proceed.  Jury has been asked to sit next Saturday morning.

Not be long before certain gents in here accuse the Jury of purposely delaying the trial in some sort of plot to delay their verdict...of course these same gents have declared them guilty from day one, so it shouldn't really matter that the defence case was supposed to start today.

I'm thinking maybe Olding takes the jurors out for a couple of drinks in order to incapacitate them!

[Milltown Row2]

Juror sick, so jury sent home for the day.  A decision to be made later today about how to proceed.  Jury has been asked to sit next Saturday morning.

Not be long before certain gents in here accuse the Jury of purposely delaying the trial in some sort of plot to delay their verdict...of course these same gents have declared them guilty from day one, so it shouldn't really matter that the defence case was supposed to start today.

I'm thinking maybe Olding takes the jurors out for a couple of drinks in order to incapacitate them!

Did they say on the news they dont know when the case wil resume?

[GetOverTheBar]

Juror sick, so jury sent home for the day.  A decision to be made later today about how to proceed.  Jury has been asked to sit next Saturday morning.

Not be long before certain gents in here accuse the Jury of purposely delaying the trial in some sort of plot to delay their verdict...of course these same gents have declared them guilty from day one, so it shouldn't really matter that the defence case was supposed to start today.

I'm thinking maybe Olding takes the jurors out for a couple of drinks in order to incapacitate them!

Not be too many stick the pace with him on his regular night out!

[AQMP]

Juror sick, so jury sent home for the day.  A decision to be made later today about how to proceed.  Jury has been asked to sit next Saturday morning.

Not be long before certain gents in here accuse the Jury of purposely delaying the trial in some sort of plot to delay their verdict...of course these same gents have declared them guilty from day one, so it shouldn't really matter that the defence case was supposed to start today.

I'm thinking maybe Olding takes the jurors out for a couple of drinks in order to incapacitate them!

Did they say on the news they dont know when the case wil resume?

According to Frank Greaney "The situation (about the jury) will be assessed later today and a decision will be made whether the court will sit tomorrow"

[Syferus]

While the #metoo movement was largely positive, it did see an abdication of personal responsibility from plenty of women(some of whom were leading lights in the movement), who made a conscious decision to further their careers and fatten their bank accounts in exchange for giving sexual favours to powerful men.

The absolute f**king state of this. You are an embarrassment.

The fact he ignores how widespread sexual assault is is a perfect example of his bias. I know a lot of every day women who have shared their stories that don't get headlines in The Guardian that are probably more shocking in many ways because of how mundane the scenarios are. It happens in most nondescript offices up and down the country, nevermind public places. This is not a problem that is in any way exclusive to situations where the man has power over the woman and to even think that shows such an incredible lack of understanding about what is happening.

That he would try to reduce it down to women furthering their careers and then comparing them to prostitues is absolutely despicable.

[Tony Baloney]

While the #metoo movement was largely positive, it did see an abdication of personal responsibility from plenty of women(some of whom were leading lights in the movement), who made a conscious decision to further their careers and fatten their bank accounts in exchange for giving sexual favours to powerful men.

The absolute f**king state of this. You are an embarrassment.

The fact he ignores how widespread sexual assault is is a perfect example of his bias. I know a lot of every day women who have shared their stories that don't get headlines in The Guardian that are probably more shocking in many ways because of how mundane the scenarios are. It happens in most nondescript offices up and down the country, nevermind public places. This is not a problem that is in any way exclusive to situations where the man has power over the woman and to even think that shows such an incredible lack of understanding about what is happening.

That he would try to reduce it down to women furthering their careers and then comparing them to prostitues is absolutely despicable.

"Every day women."

Sly and The Family Stone should write a song about it.

[RedHand88]

Adjourned until further notice according to Q Radio there. What a c**k-up.

[Taylor]

This is turning into a complete mess.

Any of the legal experts (only seems to be 2 people here who actually know how the legal system works) know what is normal procedure when this type of thing happens with jurors sick/missing etc?

[AQMP]

Adjourned until further notice according to Q Radio there. What a c**k-up.

They're waiting to hear from the juror to see if she'll be well enough to sit tomorrow...or not

[Syferus]

While the #metoo movement was largely positive, it did see an abdication of personal responsibility from plenty of women(some of whom were leading lights in the movement), who made a conscious decision to further their careers and fatten their bank accounts in exchange for giving sexual favours to powerful men.

The absolute f**king state of this. You are an embarrassment.

The fact he ignores how widespread sexual assault is is a perfect example of his bias. I know a lot of every day women who have shared their stories that don't get headlines in The Guardian that are probably more shocking in many ways because of how mundane the scenarios are. It happens in most nondescript offices up and down the country, nevermind public places. This is not a problem that is in any way exclusive to situations where the man has power over the woman and to even think that shows such an incredible lack of understanding about what is happening.

That he would try to reduce it down to women furthering their careers and then comparing them to prostitues is absolutely despicable.

"Every day women."

Sly and The Family Stone should write a song about it.

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[brokencrossbar1]

This is turning into a complete mess.

Any of the legal experts (only seems to be 2 people here who actually know how the legal system works) know what is normal procedure when this type of thing happens with jurors sick/missing etc?

Basically I'd say they'll assess what happens with the sick juror, as they did with the first one. The trial can continue with 10 in the jury but getting close to mistrial territory.