The ulster rugby trial

[seafoid]

The trial has thrown up a number of unwelcome insights into the nocturnal habits of Belfast people in their 20s
I'll never be able to look at the BelTel's "nightlife" photos in the same light again.
Filthy McNasty patrons can get really filthy.

[Keyser soze]

Really can't see how Harrison can be convicted. I wouldn't want him organising a cover up story for me if I was charged with an offence.

So he shouldn't be charged because he did it badly? Is that what you're saying?

You cannot even understand a simple sentence. 

Maybe you should give up again [that didn't last too long the last time unfortunately] as you are becoming as hysterical as that other buffoon.

I'm perfectly able to understand sentences that make sense. The evidence above suggests you're not always capable of constructing them.

You clearly cannot even understand the difference in the words 'charged'  and 'convicted'.

Par for the course for you to make some stuff up and call it evidence though.

[magpie seanie]

Really can't see how Harrison can be convicted. I wouldn't want him organising a cover up story for me if I was charged with an offence.

So he shouldn't be charged because he did it badly? Is that what you're saying?

You cannot even understand a simple sentence. 

Maybe you should give up again [that didn't last too long the last time unfortunately] as you are becoming as hysterical as that other buffoon.

I'm perfectly able to understand sentences that make sense. The evidence above suggests you're not always capable of constructing them.

You clearly cannot even understand the difference in the words 'charged'  and 'convicted'.

Par for the course for you to make some stuff up and call it evidence though.

Go on so. More examples please.

Allow me to correct the above so. I should have said - So he shouldn't be convicted because you wouldn't want him to organise a cover up if you were charged?

[Syferus]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

[Taylor]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

After what experience?

She has said she was raped. The boys have said she wasnt.

Question (which I doubt you will answer).....if you slept with a woman and you believed all was fair, she said you raped her and you were found innocent - would you say she was a hero?

[NAG1]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

Wow your incomprehension of this whole debate really knows no bounds.

[Keyser soze]

Really can't see how Harrison can be convicted. I wouldn't want him organising a cover up story for me if I was charged with an offence.

So he shouldn't be charged because he did it badly? Is that what you're saying?

You cannot even understand a simple sentence. 

Maybe you should give up again [that didn't last too long the last time unfortunately] as you are becoming as hysterical as that other buffoon.

I'm perfectly able to understand sentences that make sense. The evidence above suggests you're not always capable of constructing them.

You clearly cannot even understand the difference in the words 'charged'  and 'convicted'.

Par for the course for you to make some stuff up and call it evidence though.

Go on so. More examples please.

Allow me to correct the above so. I should have said - So he shouldn't be convicted because you wouldn't want him to organise a cover up if you were charged?

So you corrected one of your original mistakes but You have again inserted a 'because' in a place where I had a fullstop .

Why on earth would you do that...completely change the meaning of my post and then take issue with something I never said.

And why am I even engaging with a fool like you 

[north_antrim_hound]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

Wow your incomprehension of this whole debate really knows no bounds.

I use to think Syfres was a the Lagan courtroom every day, now Imm starting to think he was in the room that night. Wait a minute maybe he's just an idiot and has made up his mind prior to the case procedures and would hang innocent parties regardless of the verdict.

[Avondhu star]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The jury doesn't have to be beyond all doubt just beyond reasonable doubt. I know some of the legal eagles here cannot fathom the difference but it is the difference between a guilty verdict and a not guilty vetdict

[Tony Baloney]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

NURSE!

[magpie seanie]

Really can't see how Harrison can be convicted. I wouldn't want him organising a cover up story for me if I was charged with an offence.

So he shouldn't be charged because he did it badly? Is that what you're saying?

You cannot even understand a simple sentence. 

Maybe you should give up again [that didn't last too long the last time unfortunately] as you are becoming as hysterical as that other buffoon.

I'm perfectly able to understand sentences that make sense. The evidence above suggests you're not always capable of constructing them.

You clearly cannot even understand the difference in the words 'charged'  and 'convicted'.

Par for the course for you to make some stuff up and call it evidence though.

Go on so. More examples please.

Allow me to correct the above so. I should have said - So he shouldn't be convicted because you wouldn't want him to organise a cover up if you were charged?

So you corrected one of your original mistakes but You have again inserted a 'because' in a place where I had a fullstop .

Why on earth would you do that...completely change the meaning of my post and then take issue with something I never said.

And why am I even engaging with a fool like you 

So the two sentences were unrelated. This is helping. So here we go:



1. No way should he be convicted of doing a cover up.
2. I wouldn't want him to do a cover up for me if I was charged.

Why would you not want him to organise a cover up for you. Happy to take your medicine or somehow do you think he'd be rubbish at cover ups?

Still not making sense to me.

Looking forward to the list of stuff I've made up. Try to avoid the name calling. You could get a suspension or ban here for that.

[Avondhu star]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The woman is a fûcking hero if she helps convict two rapists.

She's a winner in my eyes either way for having the balls to bring this to trial irrespective of the verdict. Far too many women are cowed into silence after experiences like this.

Wow your incomprehension of this whole debate really knows no bounds.

I use to think Syfres was a the Lagan courtroom every day, now Imm starting to think he was in the room that night. Wait a minute maybe he's just an idiot and has made up his mind prior to the case procedures and would hang innocent parties regardless of the verdict.

Just another benefactor of the Care in the Community approach to village idiots. Give them a lap top and a few sandwiches and they will entertain themselves at less cost to the Exchequer

[Taylor]

After the first few weeks I was swaying towards innocent given the perceived holes/inconsistencies/uncertainties in the IP story and teh evidence of speacialists etc.

After the boys evidence Im not so sure now.

The beyond all doubt is the key here as someone has said.

They may well be guilty but are they guilty beyond all doubt? There are still doubts in my mind given my limited knowledge of the case.

All of the lives have been ravaged by this case irrespective of the outcome and in reality when there verdict is read out there are no real winners.

The jury doesn't have to be beyond all doubt just beyond reasonable doubt. I know some of the legal eagles here cannot fathom the difference but it is the difference between a guilty verdict and a not guilty vetdict

Apologies - beyond all reasonable doubt.

Points still stand though

[AQMP]

The trial has thrown up a number of unwelcome insights into the nocturnal habits of Belfast people in their 20s
I'll never be able to look at the BelTel's "nightlife" photos in the same light again.
Filthy McNasty patrons can get really filthy.

[Syferus]

Every single person who equates a not guilty verdict with the rape victim lying is telling the rest of us how utterly ignorant they are about rape and rape trials.

Does it make those people feel better to ignore the evidence of wrong-doing and blame the woman in that eventuality? What exactly would it be making them feel better about, I wonder?