FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

Started by CĂșig huaire, November 19, 2009, 01:34:00 PM

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AZOffaly

Quote from: mouview on November 23, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 22, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
Seems we're getting Mick McCarthy back.

If he signs today, does he come with a Black Friday discount?

You get a free Bacon Slicer.

BennyCake

Quote from: mouview on November 23, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 22, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
Seems we're getting Mick McCarthy back.

If he signs today, does he come with a Black Friday discount?

The squad will get a free set of training bibs. Probably the same ones that got lost in 2002.

Capt Pat

It looks like it is confirmed, McCarthy is back according to the RTE web site. It looks like he was lined up before O'Neill was out the door. I would have preferred if they had taken their time with the selection process and interviewed some high profile candidates before selecting whoever they wanted. But it looks like money was a key consideration in selecting McCarthy.

I like him and I wish him the best but heading into the qualifying for the last successful world cup qualifying he had Roy Keane, Damien Duff, Robbie Keane, Richard Dunne, Shay Given, Steve Staunton, and other premier league players. He will have nothing like that in his next qualifying campaign.

BennyCake

Oh dear. I thought you had some sense, Mick.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: BennyCake on November 24, 2018, 12:48:21 AM
Oh dear. I thought you had some sense, Mick.
He has plenty of sense, the money he will get off the Irish FA will be far greater than what he got from Wolverhampton Wanderers,Ipswich Town,Sunderland. A nice retirement package you can call it.

Applesisapples

Well Big Joe;s second coming with Armagh worked out well, so who knows.

BennyCake

Quote from: Applesisapples on November 24, 2018, 09:27:05 AM
Well Big Joe;s second coming with Armagh worked out well, so who knows.

Joe was coming into a far different setup than Mick is.

From the Bunker

Quote from: BennyCake on November 24, 2018, 12:48:21 AM
Oh dear. I thought you had some sense, Mick.

He has nothing to lose. He's not trying to build up a his reputation as a Manager at this stage. He is on good money and International Football suits an older Manager as a lot of your time is free time as games only come in pockets during the year. He knows the Irish international setup and how it works. Expectations are at the lowest in years.  This will take the pressure of initially. If he fails the ''Sure we don't have the players line will be rolled out''!

Despite what people think. Marin O'Neill did quiet well during his tenure. Just the slide toward the end was ''Tsunami' like. Between results, style of play, leaked stuff, player management with Arthur and Rice.

BennyCake

Quote from: From the Bunker on November 24, 2018, 10:08:29 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on November 24, 2018, 12:48:21 AM
Oh dear. I thought you had some sense, Mick.

He has nothing to lose. He's not trying to build up a his reputation as a Manager at this stage. He is on good money and International Football suits an older Manager as a lot of your time is free time as games only come in pockets during the year. He knows the Irish international setup and how it works. Expectations are at the lowest in years.  This will take the pressure of initially. If he fails the ''Sure we don't have the players line will be rolled out''!

Despite what people think. Marin O'Neill did quiet well during his tenure. Just the slide toward the end was ''Tsunami' like. Between results, style of play, leaked stuff, player management with Arthur and Rice.

We all know Ireland lack players, but that didn't save O'Neill.

To be honest, two big defeats was all O'Neill had in the last year. Goals were an issue, but the team has changed a lot in the last 18 months or so.

I hope Mick does well, but I fear this will severely damage his reputation. Ok so he won't get a top 4 to manage, but his last stint and decent enough club reputation could be tarnished after this.

Itchy

Quote from: Maroon Manc on November 22, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: trailer on November 21, 2018, 05:10:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2018, 04:54:20 PM
No one on here believes Ireland have great players but do we have players good enough, for example, to threaten the defence of N Ireland. N Ireland should have scored 3 and their two forwards are playing in League 1. We have as poor a squad as we ever had but for god sake we still have player to be a relatively solid 3rd tier team at the moment.

Who are these players? Granted this last while I've watched very little of the ROI but Shane Long, O'Dowda, O'Brien are not these players.
MON & Keane did a wonderful job. They constantly over achieved. They will be very hard acts to follow. FAI should consider a statue in honour.

Here are some premier league players,  not saying they are top class but they are with premier league clubs none the less...

Coleman
Duffy
K Long
S Long
Hendrick
Arter
Obafemi
Christie
Brady
Ward
Cunningham
Clarke
Doherty

Mcclean, Randolph were recently also in premier league.

I also think o dowda and Stevens are capable of being premier league too. Now no doubt there are no world beaters there but is it unreasonable to expect us to be able to string a few passes together and make some chances? I don't think so.

Come of it Itchy, most of those lads are very average and of their clubs got relegated this season there wouldn't be a Premier League side beating down their door to sign them. Only Coleman, Hendrick & Brady are genuine Premier League players and perhaps Duffy is on his way to be being one too. Shane Long is nearly 32 and this is probably his last year in the PL. Its the worst squad Ireland have ever had.

I never said they were anything but average and I also said in a previous post that its probably the weakest ever Irish panel. However I still think we are 3rd tier and should be very competitive at that level. The N Ireland game is a perfect barometer. We did not threaten their goal and they dominanted the possession. Lets look at their team...

Peacock-Farrell - Leeds (Championship)
M Smith - Hearts (scotland)
Cathcart - Watford (premier)
J Evans - Leicster (premier)
Lewis - Norwich (championship)
C Evans - Blackburn (championship)
Whyte - Oxford (league 1)
Davis - Southampton (premier)
Saville - Middlesboro (championship)
Dallas - Leeds (championship)
Boyce - Burton (League 1)

Subs
Jones - Kilmarnock (scotland)
McNair - Middlesboro (championship)
Lafferty - Rangers (scotland)
Ward - Charlton (league 1)


Darren Randolph - Middlesboro (championship)
Seamus Coleman - Everton (premier)
Darragh Lenihan - Blackburn (championship)
Shane Duffy - Brighton (premier)
John Egan - Sheffield Utd (championship)
James McClean - Stoke (championship)
Glen WHelan - Villa (Championship)
Hendrick - Burnely (Premier)
Brady - Burnley (Premier)
O Dowda - Bristol (championship)
Robinson - Preston (championship)

subs
Christie - Fulham (premier)
Stevens - Sheff Utd (championship)
Hourihane - Villa (championship)
Curtis - Portsmouth (league 1)
Maguire - Preston (championship)
Hogan - Villa (Championship)

So not a huge difference in quality of the players on display in terms of the level they play at, I would argue the republic slightly stronger. Yet the stats show

North had 60% possession
North had 11 shots versus 8 at goal
North had 11 corners versus 3

If you watched the game you would have seen that only one team was playing football. So how can that be? Management is the answer.


Capt Pat

So Stephen Kenny is to replace Mick McCarthy after the 2 year contract expires according to the rte rugby commentator.

SHEEDY

Stephen kenny has left dundalk to take over ireland u21's and will then take over from mick mcarthy after the 2020 euro finals. Did anyone see that scenario unfolding?
nil satis nisi optimum

Itchy

What a stupid thing to do, promise a man a job 2 years out. A lot can happen in 2 years. Really stupid from Delaney but no surprise really.

From the Bunker

Quote from: SHEEDY on November 24, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
Stephen kenny has left dundalk to take over ireland u21's and will then take over from mick mcarthy after the 2020 euro finals. Did anyone see that scenario unfolding?

No!

Have to say it's the best compromise of a way of giving Kenny the job. He get's to see and work with the youth, gets to know the workings of the FAI a bit closer up, can influence players that might declare for Ireland. For once the FAI might have got something right.

Boycey

I'm pleased for Kenny I kind of hoped he'd get the big job now but personally I think its a hairbrained idea, this two year succession thing. I know Southgate graduated through England in the same manner but that was accident more than design?

What if Mick does really really well (however unlikely that looks at present) and wants to stay on? Will he be forced out?