Teachers get it handy!

[restorepride]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas". 

[JimStynes]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.

[Kidder81]

How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

[JimStynes]

How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Jesus Christ

[delgany]

How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Based on what evidence ....nobody else  socialise? .....
Stephen nolan standard  statistical analysis as usual!

[Milltown Row2]

How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

Jesus Christ

I think at this point these are WUM's

[restorepride]

How many teachers brought it into schools through their own reckless behaviour, plenty well able to socialise and breach public health guidelines but also hysterically crying that schools aren't safe at the same time

None that I know of.  Many of the teachers on our staff have elderly parents and therefore need to be as careful outside of school as inside.  The staff in our school want to be in class teaching.  If you have evidence of above, perhaps speak to the Gardaí Síochána because that should not be happening.

[Itchy]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.

I rest my case

[Itchy]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.

[macdanger2]

Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?

What are childcare workers in crèches doing? For the small number of students involved, the unions should have been able to agree something to allow special needs kids go back to school. Plenty of other sectors are doing their part, the teaching unions are the exception here

[marty34]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

Not true, I've thought of a great idea. We are going to put the children's desks out side into the playground and just teach them out there. Sorted. Hope you get your childcare sorted.

In fairness, the amount of posts he puts up here and the amount of time that entails...he would have the kids' work sorted for the full week!!

[mrdeeds]

Unions definitely the reason the schools are closed in the North. I know the pressure they put on certain MLA's who then in turn basically used it as a political football to attack Weir. Same with the 11+. Interesting those same MLA's never once criticised the schools for using the exam which is the crux of the issue.
There is no plan to even open schools even when infections drop. It would appear schools will remain closed until Covid is completely eradicated. Answers on a postcard when that will be. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have nots gets larger.

I know of one leading Grammar school in Belfast where they'd almost 160 kids and 14 teachers out either from testing positive for Covid or isolating due to being in close contact with someone who'd tested positive in the school environment in the lead up to Christmas.

If it got any worse they were going to have to close unilaterally due to the lack of teachers but sure schools don't spread it.

How many deaths did we having in the North yesterday, just the 24 was it?

Again, these are outliers and this can happen. When it happens it is correct to close the school. However, the important thing to understand is a "school" didnt spread the covid. It was more likely than not caused by the behaviour of a person or people in that building. People are people in all walks of life they will not follow the rules. Its not a reason to shut the world down though.

And yet everywhere is shut down? This reads like guns don't kill, people do. School is third highest source of spread after home and retail setting. I know of a SNA is school in Dublin in their 40s that died of Covid over Christmas with no previous health issues.

Everywhere is not shut down, open your eyes. Let me take 2 minutes out to help teachers and cos if that is all they need here is the answer....

1- PPE. If government is not providing it (which is seriously doubt). Then each School should ask their board of management to secure it. In turn parents could then be asked to help. I am certain, 100% certain that the parents of kids would happily contribute to the purchase of PPE given that you can get a mask for a cloth mask for a euro or two and a bottle of IPA the same.
2- Definition of Close Contact - Face to Face, indoors, within 1 meter for a combined duration of 15 minutes. In my place of work we went more conservative at 2m, each school could decide based on their own areas
3- Track and Trace is part of the HSE role. In my place of work however we developed our own track and trace where we phone anyone that is off with COVID, ask them had they a close contact and if they had we phone the close contact and tell them not to come in. This is not instead of the HSE, its as well as the HSE.

Takes a bit of work, takes a bit of effort but it can be done. Better than sitting on your hole waiting for someone to do it for you. PS - we had no one from HSE or elsewhere come into our plant to tell us how to do this.

So a face bask is ok for a SNA doing personal care needs?

What are childcare workers in crèches doing? For the small number of students involved, the unions should have been able to agree something to allow special needs kids go back to school. Plenty of other sectors are doing their part, the teaching unions are the exception here

It was actually the SNAs union put a spanner in the works.

[restorepride]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.

You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now? 

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.

You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?

I do see what you are saying here, but who does everyone think is running the economy and keeping folk fed, watered and serviced atm. Surely for example if a factory our size has kept open from the start(2k workers) attempts can be made elsewhere to make workplaces  safe. We were hit bad at the start to be fair , but few sensible tweaks of practices made massive difference. We have had no confirmed cases that I know of since November

[Itchy]

Did the 14 teachers catch covid from kids at school?

Jim you lack initiative and innovation, I'd like think you picked the wrong career but probably not.

One teacher picked it up from her Form Class in which there were 3 positive students, asymptomatic; then it transferred "teacher to teacher" as 8 teachers per day used the same 'infected' room.  Ultimately there were 8 further positive cases among students in that class, also 4 parents of those students.  18 other students in the class had to self-isolate, as had 10 other teachers.  This was a first year class, Year 8.  Two weeks before Christmas, we had 300 students in total self-isolating, genuinely apparently.  The week before Christmas that rose to 500, then 700, however much of that absence was parental choice to ensure a "safe Christmas".

You don't see the problem with that description do you? As in why it should not have spread teacher to teacher.

You don't see the danger for many different teachers now having to use the same room, computer, equipment etc, as many as 8 in one day with  a number of students asymptomatic?  Note the "teacher to teacher", quite likely surface to surface, door handle to hand etc.  One main door in and out for all students in the room, out to toilet, break, lunch etc. Get the idea now?

I do get it,  you don't. I've machine's with 4 shifts in and out using them. What gave we done that the teachers in thst school didn't. Come on, think about it, it's not that hard.