Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

Started by bennydorano, October 07, 2023, 09:39:18 AM

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tonto1888

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 09, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 12:55:28 PMedited

this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

There are also a lot of Jews and Jewish groups who find how Israel is treating Palestine to be reprehensible

trailer

Quote from: tonto1888 on October 09, 2023, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 09, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 12:55:28 PMedited

this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

There are also a lot of Jews and Jewish groups who find how Israel is treating Palestine to be reprehensible

Ok fair enough. But Israel is literally a Jewish state for Jewish people. Referring to them as Jews is not anti-semitic.

Wildweasel74

I dislike Israel like many, but I don't know how you compare cutting the f**k out of a ton of people at a music festival compares to a, Ukraine counter offensive. For one it's mainly 2 armies facing off against each other, both heavily armed.

imtommygunn

I honestly wonder how did this happen so easily.

Is this a ploy to try and justify to the world wiping out palestine or giving it a good go anyway?

seafoid

Quote from: tonto1888 on October 09, 2023, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 01:17:39 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 09, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 12:55:28 PMedited

this below post is in reference to trailers post. not frankos


it's not the first post like that, so ignorance is not an excuse.

Explain.

Read back through the posts, you used anti semitic tropes in a previous post and were called out on it. Jews are not collectively responsible for Israel, holding Jews responsible for Israeli crimes is anti semitic. There are Jews who support Israel and Jews who don't.

There are also a lot of Jews and Jewish groups who find how Israel is treating Palestine to be reprehensible
There are also Jews who got rid of Corbyn and replaced him with Starmer so Israel wouldn't get any awkward questions. A lot of murky stuff gets covered up by calling people anti semites. I think it's really dangerous because Judaism is a minority and history shows that people scapegoat Jews in certain scenarios. It's a huge mess.

red hander

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 09, 2023, 01:56:56 PM"We are Fighting with Human Animals and we will act accordingly"



Real Nazi stuff from IDF. Cutting off water, gas and electric to Gaza is a war crime, plain and simple. They have behaved like the Waffen SS for years when it comes to the Palestinians, how ironic.

PadraicHenryPearse

Israeli Army Radio, a Station ran by the Israeli Defense Force, has stated On-Air that they will continue Airstrikes on Hamas Positions in the Gaza Strip even at the Risk of Harming the Hostages.


Franko

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 09, 2023, 04:53:57 PMI dislike Israel like many, but I don't know how you compare cutting the f**k out of a ton of people at a music festival compares to a, Ukraine counter offensive. For one it's mainly 2 armies facing off against each other, both heavily armed.

The level of barbarity is sickening, no doubt.  But take a second and think of the sheer depravity of the situation these people face (and have faced for decades).  As I said before - if you treat people like subhuman savages, that's how they're going to behave eventually.  And that's the only way to describe what you've mentioned above

Today we have an Israeli minister describing them as 'human animals'

And the Israeli government cutting off electricity, water, fuel, food and medicial supplies indiscriminately

All the while bombing civilian areas

There is no high ground in this - only a series of events which continually lower the bar

But there is no doubt as to the root cause of it all - and that's what's going to need addressed if they want to bring it to some sort of end

trailer

1000 people are dead in just one day. That's almost a 1/3 of the people killed in troubles over 25 or so years.

Nobody is coming out of this on the high ground.

PadraicHenryPearse

Al-Qassam spokesman: "Every targeting of our people without warning will be met with the execution of a civilian hostage.

between the Israeli radio announcement earlier and this now.

seafoid

Quote from: Franko on October 09, 2023, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 09, 2023, 04:53:57 PMI dislike Israel like many, but I don't know how you compare cutting the f**k out of a ton of people at a music festival compares to a, Ukraine counter offensive. For one it's mainly 2 armies facing off against each other, both heavily armed.

The level of barbarity is sickening, no doubt.  But take a second and think of the sheer depravity of the situation these people face (and have faced for decades).  As I said before - if you treat people like subhuman savages, that's how they're going to behave eventually.  And that's the only way to describe what you've mentioned above

Today we have an Israeli minister describing them as 'human animals'

And the Israeli government cutting off electricity, water, fuel, food and medicial supplies indiscriminately

All the while bombing civilian areas

There is no high ground in this - only a series of events which continually lower the bar

But there is no doubt as to the root cause of it all - and that's what's going to need addressed if they want to bring it to some sort of end
Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian
@manniefabian
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Hamas spokesman Abu Obeida says the group will execute Israeli hostages for every Israeli bombing without warning, and publish footage.

Itchy

Quote from: seafoid on October 09, 2023, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: Franko on October 09, 2023, 05:17:04 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 09, 2023, 04:53:57 PMI dislike Israel like many, but I don't know how you compare cutting the f**k out of a ton of people at a music festival compares to a, Ukraine counter offensive. For one it's mainly 2 armies facing off against each other, both heavily armed.

The level of barbarity is sickening, no doubt.  But take a second and think of the sheer depravity of the situation these people face (and have faced for decades).  As I said before - if you treat people like subhuman savages, that's how they're going to behave eventually.  And that's the only way to describe what you've mentioned above

Today we have an Israeli minister describing them as 'human animals'

And the Israeli government cutting off electricity, water, fuel, food and medicial supplies indiscriminately

All the while bombing civilian areas

There is no high ground in this - only a series of events which continually lower the bar

But there is no doubt as to the root cause of it all - and that's what's going to need addressed if they want to bring it to some sort of end
Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian
@manniefabian
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Hamas spokesman Abu Obeida says the group will execute Israeli hostages for every Israeli bombing without warning, and publish footage.

The Israelis have such a blood lust I don't think they care.

AustinPowers

Quote from: imtommygunn on October 09, 2023, 04:59:13 PMI honestly wonder how did this happen so easily.

Is this a ploy to try and justify to the world wiping out palestine or giving it a good go anyway?

It's like you read my mind

tyrone08

Quote from: AustinPowers on October 09, 2023, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 09, 2023, 04:59:13 PMI honestly wonder how did this happen so easily.

Is this a ploy to try and justify to the world wiping out palestine or giving it a good go anyway?

It's like you read my mind

It definitely has that feeling.

seafoid

The Israelis elected an annexation Govt to annex the West Bank and sideline the Palestinians. The Qataris were negotiating a deal to rebuild Gaza in return for a long term ceasefire and Israel and Saudi were going in for some heavy petting. This was the context in which Hamas went for the jugular.

Their neutralisation of the observation/submachine towers around Gaza was very professional

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1710622410628624891
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1711330417507197141

Re hostages :  Israelis really don't like anyone Israeli dying because of the occupation . They will try to get people back. It may override their bloodlust.