Playing Tuohy the right call?

DownFanatic · October 28, 2015, 12:11:58 PM

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Did the manager make the right call playing Tuohy over a player who has been with the panel all year?
It's a tough call that many managers face.

general_lee · October 28, 2015, 01:28:32 PM

Surely no different to a county player, who has been AWOL all year, swanning into a club team for a championship match. At the end of the day you play your strongest team available, and that would include someone like him. Unless the player missing out is a selfish immature fucktard there should be no issue.

rodney trotter · October 28, 2015, 02:09:18 PM

They have brought him back for the last 4/5 years. If they were good enough to reach the final why not start that team, and bring him off the bench.

Dinny Breen · October 28, 2015, 02:16:41 PM

This policy has been in place the last numbers obviously the panel are aware and comfortable with it. Fair play to Tuohy for making himself available.

nrico2006 · October 28, 2015, 02:25:54 PM

It depends. We had a manager this year who was like the previous few and lived by the line that to play you have to be at all sessions and showing form. Yet come the championship and final few league games we had players who were unavailable for whatever reason all year and simply turned up for the 3 or 4 weeks of the championship run and they got to start, whereas there were players playing most of the year who were now consigned to the bench. Its a hard job being a manager, but if you declare one thing then you can't contradict yourself and play boys who show up when they want. In saying that, if you want to win and the returning players are better than what you have then you have a tough call to make.

screenexile · October 28, 2015, 03:32:09 PM

He won the match. . . Right decision!

Managers these days are ruthless as f**k and it matters nothing that you weren't there all year or whatever if you are going to parachute straight in and offer something that the team's missing you can be guaranteed any manager worth his salt will do it!! As much as it goes against the ethos of the game etc. the reality is these things matter very very little in today's game!

JoG2 · October 28, 2015, 04:14:50 PM

Quote from: screenexile on October 28, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
He won the match. . . Right decision!

Managers these days are ruthless as f**k and it matters nothing that you weren't there all year or whatever if you are going to parachute straight in and offer something that the team's missing you can be guaranteed any manager worth his salt will do it!! As much as it goes against the ethos of the game etc. the reality is these things matter very very little in today's game!

For me its not as black and white as that. If the player / players in question who are being drafted in are say, abroad working or have a genuine reason, and, are historically committed club men, I wouldn't have a problem. Parachuting in an ego who is about but didnt bother his hole training, no chance. You need a good spirit, team bond (how many times have we seen teams at club / county win big when the whole is greater than it's parts) and you'll be doing it fair damage .

The bit in bold is probably true for the merry band of mercenary managers polluting counties, who only really care about the tax free cash and couldnt really give a fiddlers beyond the season or maybe 2 that they'll be at a club before following the mullah elsewhere.

JoG2 · October 28, 2015, 04:15:53 PM

PS: I'd have played Tuohy

Zulu · October 28, 2015, 04:36:35 PM

Quote from: general_lee on October 28, 2015, 01:28:32 PM
Surely no different to a county player, who has been AWOL all year, swanning into a club team for a championship match. At the end of the day you play your strongest team available, and that would include someone like him. Unless the player missing out is a selfish immature fucktard there should be no issue.

Do you really believe that? I know I'd be well pissed off it I was that player. In fact you wouldn't be much of a player if you were happy to have your place taken by Zac.

As Dinny said, this has been agreed by the club so everybody knows and, I presume, accepts it but anyone worth their salt should be very annoyed if it was them getting cut.

general_lee · October 28, 2015, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: Zulu on October 28, 2015, 04:36:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on October 28, 2015, 01:28:32 PM
Surely no different to a county player, who has been AWOL all year, swanning into a club team for a championship match. At the end of the day you play your strongest team available, and that would include someone like him. Unless the player missing out is a selfish immature fucktard there should be no issue.

Do you really believe that? I know I'd be well pissed off it I was that player. In fact you wouldn't be much of a player if you were happy to have your place taken by Zac.

As Dinny said, this has been agreed by the club so everybody knows and, I presume, accepts it but anyone worth their salt should be very annoyed if it was them getting cut.

Yes. (And if this is an arrangement that has been discussed prior then definitely).

At the end of the day all that matters is winning. You do what you have to do to win and that includes playing your best 15-20 available to you. Being displaced by a professional athlete isn't as bad as being displaced by someone of similar or lesser standard to yourself. If that is the case then yes you definitely have justification for kicking up a fuss.

rodney trotter · October 28, 2015, 07:41:10 PM

They won't have Tuohy for the next round of Leinster against Sarsfield. It's not like Portlaoise have never won the Laois Championship, they are like Crossmaglen in Laois.

Been better off starting with the lads that were there all year and use him as an impact Sub.

Syferus · October 28, 2015, 07:53:59 PM

Quote from: rodney trotter on October 28, 2015, 07:41:10 PM
They won't have Tuohy for the next round of Leinster against Sarsfield. It's not like Portlaoise have never won the Laois Championship, they are like Crossmaglen in Laois.

Been better off starting with the lads that were there all year and use him as an impact Sub.

Drawing the first game has to be factored in. Would have been looking for an extra edge.

TheClutch · October 29, 2015, 11:45:14 AM

I know if I was the player that got dropped I'd feel sick. Professional athlete or not if he has just arrived and not been there for the majority of the season from January I would not start him. I agree with the some peoples opinions that some manager are just there for money and they justify the money they earn by how many games they win. I've been on teams in the past were a couple of fairly talented players have swanned in a week before the first league game of the season and trained once or twice and the manager has started them come the league game. The mood in the changing room and the attitude towards the manager afterwards from players who had been in line to start before the late comers arrived was awful, and it set the mood for the remainder of the season....

thewobbler · October 29, 2015, 12:15:56 PM

To be honest, I don't even think this should be up for question.

For most of the season, a manager's first duty is to his players, as without their investment, the season will amount to nothing. At a bigger club, this means balancing, rewarding and cajoling the needs over 30 players.

But when it comes to the business end of a season, a manager's only duty is to the club. Ultimately he is being paid to deliver success for a club - not to babysit people - and when you're talking about Championship semis and finals, you're talking about results that can genuinely affect an entire community.

As such it might be callous, and nobody likes to hear it, but winning a championship is infinitely more important to any club than whether a fringe player's nose is being put of of joint.

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Regarding team harmony; as long as the main players in your club believe that the team is the right team, then it'll be a harmonious dressing room. Trust me, at the business end of the season, most of those main players have their eyes on silverware and not egos.

JoG2 · October 29, 2015, 12:32:49 PM

Quote from: thewobbler on October 29, 2015, 12:15:56 PM
To be honest, I don't even think this should be up for question.

For most of the season, a manager's first duty is to his players, as without their investment, the season will amount to nothing. At a bigger club, this means balancing, rewarding and cajoling the needs over 30 players.

But when it comes to the business end of a season, a manager's only duty is to the club. Ultimately he is being paid to deliver success for a club - not to babysit people - and when you're talking about Championship semis and finals, you're talking about results that can genuinely affect an entire community.

As such it might be callous, and nobody likes to hear it, but winning a championship is infinitely more important to any club than whether a fringe player's nose is being put of of joint.

- - -

Regarding team harmony; as long as the main players in your club believe that the team is the right team, then it'll be a harmonious dressing room. Trust me, at the business end of the season, most of those main players have their eyes on silverware and not egos.