Another Kerry player fails a doping test

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GalwayBayBoy

Quote from: gallsman on May 31, 2017, 12:22:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
If they would name the contaminated supplement it could put a stop to a lot of the innuendo.

It could be innocent enough, but the whole episode gives the appearance of there being something to hide even if there wasn't.

Precisely - as I said, I'm keen to know whether a clean supplement was contaminated, or whether the supplement actually contained the MHA as an ingredient. An important distinction.

While all of it might be an innocent mistake, the actions of all parties involved so far give the impression that it was anything but.

For what's it's worth the former head of British cycling was on Twitter yesterday saying that the whole "contaminated supplement" argument is a load of nonsense and the amount of supplements that are truly contaminated is negligible.

Jinxy

You can buy supplements online from god knows where that contain god knows what.
The idea that it's regulated like the food industry is nonsense.
It's like the wild west so the former head of British cycling is talking out his hoop.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Ball Hopper

What really needs to be brought to the fore is the possible effects of these substances/chemicals or whatever they are best called. 

This is from wikipedia, although the quantities taken are unknown, it makes me wonder if a life might have been saved here.

"The US Food and Drug Administration has stated that methylhexanamine "is known to narrow the blood vessels and arteries, which can elevate blood pressure and may lead to cardiovascular events ranging from shortness of breath and tightening in the chest to heart attack." 

Numerous adverse events and at least five deaths have been reported in association with methylhexanamine-containing dietary supplements."

gallsman

Quote from: Jinxy on May 31, 2017, 02:03:22 PM
You can buy supplements online from god knows where that contain god knows what.
The idea that it's regulated like the food industry is nonsense.
It's like the wild west so the former head of British cycling is talking out his hoop.

That doesn't necessarily mean it's "contaminated".

If you buy a supplement and MHA is listed as one of the ingredients, you can't complain that your supplement was contaminated (and thus your plea of innocence is stronger). You simply bought a supplement containing a banned substance.

However - there is a simple solution to anyone worried about what supplements from dodgy online retailers contain. Don't f**king buy or use them!

GalwayBayBoy

 Ian O'Riordan ‏Verified account @ianoriordan 2h2 hours ago

1/2 Of all the amateur reactions to Brendan O'Sullivan's doping positive, and there are many, is the idea the supplement was 'contaminated'
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2/2. no supplement is 'contaminated'; methylhexaneamine (MHA) was deliberately/purposely added. Name the product please @sportireland

Jinxy

He's another one talking out his hoop.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2011/05/02/exposed-the-contaminated-supplements-including-diet-pills-implicated-in-multiple-drug-test-bans/

The four rugby players had all taken USN's Anabolic Nitro. Mensing, a footballer in Scotland's top division, had taken USN's weight loss product, Xedra-Cut.

Mensing's case was heard at the end of January and he had served his ban by the end of February.

However, a spokeswoman for USN has confirmed the product recall on Xedra-Cut was not made until 18 March, claiming USN did not know of a contamination risk until 17 March.

On 1 March, knowing there was a contamination issue with Anabolic Nitro, USN put out a press release linked here. It doesn't actually mention professional athletes failing drugs tests. At the time of writing it hasn't been updated to include any warning about Xedra-Cut.

Rather it states, as of 2 May 2011: "USN ensures that all risks for elite athletes are reduced by conducting product screening."

And later in the release it says: "USN does not include methylhexaneamine in any of its product formulations." (This is absolutely true – but does neglect to make any reference whatsoever to at least five professional sportsmen who took USN products and then tested positive for MHA, coincidentally or otherwise).
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Owen Brannigan

The issue is that supplements are endemic in all sports and among young lads who want to improve their physique.  The attitude to supplements needs to change.  If you don't take supplements you can't take a contaminated substance.  If you believe that supplements are necessary and work towards improving your ability to compete, does the next step become to difficult for some to avoid.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2015/05/11/news/protein-bulking-is-the-whey-of-the-sporting-world-127818/

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-captain-michael-murphy-defends-use-of-nutritional-supplements-1.1465636

http://www.kineticasports.com/gaa-t11

DJGaliv

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0531/879358-more-drugs-tests/


"I'm not naive enough to think that there aren't people cheating and taking drugs to improve their performance in our sports and nor do I think it's a widespread problem. But we won't know one way or the other unless there is a much more far-reaching testing programme."
From Philip Jordan.

A good piece from Philip Jordan. Better than a lot of the nonsense being spoken by Colm Parkinson and Quirke. It's annoying about Parkinson as I really liked his podcast and offered pretty smart viewpoints, however his stance on drug taking is amateur hour.

With regard the other Kerry lads, I think the more they are debated against by the media or Kimmage or whoever, the more entrenched their views become on this issue.

This education thing is laughable too, these are grown men with third level degrees we are talking about. Having been in these set ups in the past, you would have had a team meeting with the GPA talking about anti doping, also a talk from your nutritionist, then you have the Doc and physio all giving their advice into the mix too.
What more do they want, a postgraduate diploma in pharmacy taken over 12 months?

I think Jordan has hit a nice balance with his column today, that is very hard to argue with.

Jinxy

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 31, 2017, 03:48:51 PM
The issue is that supplements are endemic in all sports and among young lads who want to improve their physique.  The attitude to supplements needs to change.  If you don't take supplements you can't take a contaminated substance.  If you believe that supplements are necessary and work towards improving your ability to compete, does the next step become to difficult for some to avoid.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2015/05/11/news/protein-bulking-is-the-whey-of-the-sporting-world-127818/

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegal-captain-michael-murphy-defends-use-of-nutritional-supplements-1.1465636

http://www.kineticasports.com/gaa-t11

Not sure if I buy this 'gateway drug' theory when it comes to supplements.
However, I do think players need to be very wary of the fat-burning stuff and 'stimulants'.
If you fail a test for a stimulant like MHA, you are in the same boat as the fella who's been guzzling steroids, i.e. you are now a 'doper'.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

longballin

Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

magpie seanie

Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

longballin

Quote from: magpie seanie on June 01, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

That's the problem, he calls out the truth and some people can't handle the truth.

tonto1888

Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 01, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

That's the problem, he calls out the truth and some people can't handle the truth.

does he though? Does he not just shout drugs at everything and then sometimes it turns out to be the truth

yellowcard

Kimmage is a rare breed among journalists, brutally honest (sometimes crudely so) but he rarely ever betrays his principles or convictions. If he questions a performance there is normally good justification for it. Too many journalists rely on access to players, management and people within the sport they are reporting on, hence they dance to their tune and fail to see things objectively. Basically fans with typewriters as David Walsh ironically once called them. It's the exact same syndrome that Parkinson is suffering from at the moment. I'm not sure if he has a career outsdie of GAA but I'd say his job relies on player access for interviews, podcasts etc therefore he chooses not to bite the hand that feeds him. That is where Kimmage is unique, he has never sold out.     

Jinxy

Quote from: tonto1888 on June 01, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 11:25:50 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 01, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
Quote from: longballin on June 01, 2017, 09:53:59 AM
Marc O'Se the cute Kerry whure and Dick GPA Clerkin flapping against Paul Kimmage on Matt Cooper show... worth a listen. https://www.todayfm.com/The-Last-Word-with-Matt-Cooper/Is-Doping-A-Problem-Within-The-GAA

I can't stand Kimmage, especially when he's right. The "spuds and cabbage" comment really shows how much he's loving this.

That's the problem, he calls out the truth and some people can't handle the truth.

does he though? Does he not just shout drugs at everything and then sometimes it turns out to be the truth

You sound a bit defensive, Tonto.
Maybe YOU are on drugs?
If you were any use you'd be playing.