Leinster Senior football championship 2024

Started by Blowitupref, April 01, 2024, 09:25:11 PM

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JoG2

Quote from: highorlow on May 13, 2024, 09:48:37 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 12, 2024, 03:23:04 PMWhat a shift from the Louth men. Will give the qualifiers a serious rattle

It's just Louths turn on the Leinster merry go round to try and try and burst a gut and still fail and then support wains and the team dies just like Meath, Kildare and Laois.

The pick of the other teams in Leinster wouldn't beat Dublin, that's the reality.

Aye, maybe so, but I was talking about the qualifiers. Louth will give a good account of themselves imo. Could finish 2nd and get 'home' advantage against a beatable team. A potential q/f (top 8) finish at least

Hound

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2024, 03:21:44 PMDublin senior club football full of money,  nearly a professional setting, hence better pick than anybody else
That's certainly more to do with it than the GDOs and Croke Park.
The GDOs are a complete red herring. They have nothing to do with elite players in clubs, never mind county level.
Empirical evidence suggests there is almost no such thing as home advantage in GAA as most matches are between 60-40 to 40-60 supporter levels. Since Super 8 came in and then round robin, results have shown no advantage to playing at home. Likewise when you examine Connacht and Ulster championship. There are as many away wins as home wins.

Now, if there are games where Dubs (or anyone else) have 70-80% of the crowd, then absolutely that's an advantage. But that never happens at AI semi and final level. And only started happening at Leinster final level when Kildare and Meath fans gave up the ghost.

At minor and U20/1 level, there is rarely anything between Dubs, Kildare and Meath. The current pick of all three senior teams comes from lads who played in those games. Dublin club levels doesn't really increase the pick for the Dubs, in that if you haven't played minor and/or U20 you're not getting picked by the Dubs (with very very rare exception) but it's huge in bridging the gap from underage to adult. Week-in, week-out high quality football. That for me has to be one of the key reasons Dublin players seem to improve after U20 (and we probably retain more in the game too) than many other counties.

There are other advantages we have, such as everyone living in the county and less wasted travel time to training etc (esp compared to the likes of Mayo).

People who spout on that the games development funding is even remotely anything to do with how the Dubs go from being one of many counties that regularly produce decent underage teams to being so outstanding at senior intercounty are way off base. Either just ignorant or deliberately misleading

ClubScene13

Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2024, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2024, 03:21:44 PMDublin senior club football full of money,  nearly a professional setting, hence better pick than anybody else
That's certainly more to do with it than the GDOs and Croke Park.
The GDOs are a complete red herring. They have nothing to do with elite players in clubs, never mind county level.
Empirical evidence suggests there is almost no such thing as home advantage in GAA as most matches are between 60-40 to 40-60 supporter levels. Since Super 8 came in and then round robin, results have shown no advantage to playing at home. Likewise when you examine Connacht and Ulster championship. There are as many away wins as home wins.

Now, if there are games where Dubs (or anyone else) have 70-80% of the crowd, then absolutely that's an advantage. But that never happens at AI semi and final level. And only started happening at Leinster final level when Kildare and Meath fans gave up the ghost.


At minor and U20/1 level, there is rarely anything between Dubs, Kildare and Meath. The current pick of all three senior teams comes from lads who played in those games. Dublin club levels doesn't really increase the pick for the Dubs, in that if you haven't played minor and/or U20 you're not getting picked by the Dubs (with very very rare exception) but it's huge in bridging the gap from underage to adult. Week-in, week-out high quality football. That for me has to be one of the key reasons Dublin players seem to improve after U20 (and we probably retain more in the game too) than many other counties.

There are other advantages we have, such as everyone living in the county and less wasted travel time to training etc (esp compared to the likes of Mayo).

People who spout on that the games development funding is even remotely anything to do with how the Dubs go from being one of many counties that regularly produce decent underage teams to being so outstanding at senior intercounty are way off base. Either just ignorant or deliberately misleading

If you can't see the advantage in playing in the same venue 10-15 times a year, in your county, when other teams play in it 2 or 3 times if they're lucky, I don't know what to tell you.

I also would not agree that its a 50/50 split at AI semi final and finals. The ticket distribution might say that, but it isn't. Not to mention kicking into a sea of blue behind one of the goals, you're just bias, and that's fine.

Hound

Yep, that's why Monaghan are unbeatable at Clones,  Mayo unbeatable at Castlebar, etc.
Or is it only Croke Park where home advantage counts?
15 times a year 😁

Totally agree that no Leinster quarters or semis should be played in Croke Park, but that's Leinster Council

From the Bunker

Quote from: Hound on May 13, 2024, 09:06:01 PMYep, that's why Monaghan are unbeatable at Clones,  Mayo unbeatable at Castlebar, etc.
Or is it only Croke Park where home advantage counts?
15 times a year 😁

Totally agree that no Leinster quarters or semis should be played in Croke Park, but that's Leinster Council

In nearly 14 years Dublin have lost only 4 Championship games at home.

Mayo 2012
Donegal 2014
Mayo 2021
Kerry 2022

seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2024, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2024, 03:22:21 PM42 wins in a row
14 titles in a row.

"Thoroughly enjoyable win.
Time for the Meaths and Kildares to get up to Dublin's pitch" says John Casey


If a small county like Louth can run the Dubs as close then Meath and Kildare should be able to do the same.
Dublin needs to be split into as many counties needed to get the leinster championship competitive again

From the Bunker

Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 09:20:51 PMDublin needs to be split into as many counties needed to get the leinster championship competitive again

Would you do the same with Kerry to make Munster competitive?

seafoid

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 13, 2024, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 09:20:51 PMDublin needs to be split into as many counties needed to get the leinster championship competitive again

Would you do the same with Kerry to make Munster competitive?
only if they win 6 in a row

The Hill is Blue

Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2024, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2024, 03:22:21 PM42 wins in a row
14 titles in a row.

"Thoroughly enjoyable win.
Time for the Meaths and Kildares to get up to Dublin's pitch" says John Casey


If a small county like Louth can run the Dubs as close then Meath and Kildare should be able to do the same.
Dublin needs to be split into as many counties needed to get the leinster championship competitive again

How many counties would you need to create from Mayo, Galway and Roscommon to give Leitrim and Sligo a shout at winning a Connacht title?
I remember Dublin City in the Rare Old Times http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7OaDDR7i8

Blowitupref

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 13, 2024, 10:45:08 PMHow many counties would you need to create from Mayo, Galway and Roscommon to give Leitrim and Sligo a shout at winning a Connacht title?
Sligo were mighty close to beating the eventual connacht winners Galway a few weeks ago.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Quote from: The Hill is Blue on May 13, 2024, 10:45:08 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2024, 09:20:51 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2024, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2024, 03:22:21 PM42 wins in a row
14 titles in a row.

"Thoroughly enjoyable win.
Time for the Meaths and Kildares to get up to Dublin's pitch" says John Casey


If a small county like Louth can run the Dubs as close then Meath and Kildare should be able to do the same.
Dublin needs to be split into as many counties needed to get the leinster championship competitive again

How many counties would you need to create from Mayo, Galway and Roscommon to give Leitrim and Sligo a shout at winning a Connacht title?
How many counties other than dublin have won 19 out of 20 titles?

From the Bunker

Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2024, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2024, 03:22:21 PM42 wins in a row
14 titles in a row.

"Thoroughly enjoyable win.
Time for the Meaths and Kildares to get up to Dublin's pitch" says John Casey


If a small county like Louth can run the Dubs as close then Meath and Kildare should be able to do the same.

Louth population 139,703
Mayo population 137,970

Louth is not a small county.....