Silent Justice/ Internet Interceptors

[bennydorano]

All liberals are liberal until something shitty lands at their own front door.

[seafoid]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

I'd arrest or detain the individuals and call the police not do what these scum bags did and detain them, beat them with an iron bar, call the police, then abuse the police you just called whilst they arrest the men you've just assaulted whilst your mate videos it.

That's not a ethical conundrum. It's not even close, there's no excuse for taking the law into your own hands beyond detaining an individual.

Whilst we're in the region of creating hypothesis of" what would do?" Etc. I'll put this to you. What if one of these fella was horribly abused as a child from a young age by a priest or in an institution? What if his father was a raging alcoholic and regularly beat him as a young boy? What if his mother died when he was born or upped and left him with a father who regularly abused him sexually and physically? what if he's reared in some shit hole council house and spent most of his early life being abused in juvenile detention centres? What if he has the mental age of a 14 year old? Would you still be as zealous to see a crowd of tupenny republicans beat them about with an iron bar? Would you be as keen to see street justice doled out regularly in Northern Ireland?

Everyday you hear  sc**bag behaivour being apologised for, even regularly on here. There was that mood and wink attitude to those c***ts who broke into the Lidl in Tallaght that it wasn't really stealing because Lidl make more money than your average corner shop. Then there was the attitude that the people who assaulted that girl in Larne were from poor estates and always had it tough and sure the victim was a tr**p too. It's like being a w**ker is grand so long as someone can weasel up an excuse for you.

The paedos should be arrested and get whatever is coming to them. Whether it's hard jail time, mental assessment or drug treatment. It shouldn't be street justice though.

Very well put trileacman.

In my view those who beat and abused the men are no better than those who they abused. If they're willing to meat out justice on their terms then they're prepared to attack innocent people inc children who they feel have wronged them. They're nothing more than common criminals themselves.

Very few would complain about those boys getting a hammering though most people wouldn't be the ones to do it. White's record is horrific... not sure about the other man.

What was done was not legal. It doesn't matter what people feel about it.

a lot of things are not legal but doesn't mean they are immoral. When I was skint and with family to feed I went on red diesel for a while, had to be done... sorry it was illegal but I lived with it ok. Giving a child rapist a few slaps and public humiliating...

Red diesel usage doesn't warrant a prison sentence whereas attacking someone with an iron bar might

[tonto1888]

I've no problem with what happened those two. And to he person who said the people who caught and beat them are no better than them? Catch yourself on

[omaghjoe]

All liberals are liberal until something shitty lands at their own front door.

Had to be liberals as they got a fairly liberal hiding

[longballin]

The way they walked to the police car can't have been too much of a hiding. Issue is that authorities let them go under the radar. White turned up in Tyrone a few years ago as a van driver and had a 15-Y-O teenage boy as a helper.. after having served a jail sentence for the rape of a boy. True. That's the real issue here. God knows what those two together were capable of.

[Eamonnca1]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

All well and good, but how would you feel if you or a family member were wrongfully accused of child abuse? The criminal justice system has some checks and balances to separate the innocent from the guilty. Vigilante justice seldom does.

It's an awful crime to be a victim of but it's also an awful crime to be accused of if you didn't do it. By all means throw the book at them and lock them up, but not before a fair trial. And if there's a policing vacuum, then the solution is to fill it with actual policing, not pitchforks and torches.

Let's not forget what happened to that pediatrician in England who ended up having to move house because the mob though "pediatrician" was the same as "paedophile."

[longballin]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

All well and good, but how would you feel if you or a family member were wrongfully accused of child abuse? The criminal justice system has some checks and balances to separate the innocent from the guilty. Vigilante justice seldom does.

It's an awful crime to be a victim of but it's also an awful crime to be accused of if you didn't do it. By all means throw the book at them and lock them up, but not before a fair trial. And if there's a policing vacuum, then the solution is to fill it with actual policing, not pitchforks and torches.

Let's not forget what happened to that pediatrician in England who ended up having to move house because the mob though "pediatrician" was the same as "paedophile."

Any idiot doesn't know the difference between pediatrician and paedophile shouldn't be allowed out on their own anyway. If justice system was doing it's job those two wouldn't be roaming around unchecked. Not first time White went from under the radar of authorities who are supposed to be closely monitoring him.

[brokencrossbar1]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

All well and good, but how would you feel if you or a family member were wrongfully accused of child abuse? The criminal justice system has some checks and balances to separate the innocent from the guilty. Vigilante justice seldom does.

It's an awful crime to be a victim of but it's also an awful crime to be accused of if you didn't do it. By all means throw the book at them and lock them up, but not before a fair trial. And if there's a policing vacuum, then the solution is to fill it with actual policing, not pitchforks and torches.

Let's not forget what happened to that pediatrician in England who ended up having to move house because the mob though "pediatrician" was the same as "paedophile."

These men are convicted sexual predators who have a history of hiding from authorities. They were on ten run from police for bench warrants and break the licence under which they were released from prison. They were stalking local schools and play parks and mad  at least on attempt to lift a child with a puppy as an incentive. Trust me there scum are not innocent victims in this and are not likely to be falsely accused.

[Eamonnca1]

In that case the failure was in letting them escape. It's okay for citizens to step in and hand them into the authorities, but it's not their place to dispense punishment.

[Milltown Row2]

In that case the failure was in letting them escape. It's okay for citizens to step in and hand them into the authorities, but it's not their place to dispense punishment.

If your son was being raped and you were able to 'step in' as you say and detain him. You would batter him? Weirdo

[brokencrossbar1]

In that case the failure was in letting them escape. It's okay for citizens to step in and hand them into the authorities, but it's not their place to dispense punishment.

I agree but sometimes fear and circumstances make certain things happen. My friend was in court today and saw them. They were walking fine and had no visible injuries so I reckon they'll be ok.

[OgraAnDun]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

All well and good, but how would you feel if you or a family member were wrongfully accused of child abuse? The criminal justice system has some checks and balances to separate the innocent from the guilty. Vigilante justice seldom does.

It's an awful crime to be a victim of but it's also an awful crime to be accused of if you didn't do it. By all means throw the book at them and lock them up, but not before a fair trial. And if there's a policing vacuum, then the solution is to fill it with actual policing, not pitchforks and torches.

Let's not forget what happened to that pediatrician in England who ended up having to move house because the mob though "pediatrician" was the same as "paedophile."

These men are convicted sexual predators who have a history of hiding from authorities. They were on ten run from police for bench warrants and break the licence under which they were released from prison. They were stalking local schools and play parks and mad  at least on attempt to lift a child with a puppy as an incentive. Trust me there scum are not innocent victims in this and are not likely to be falsely accused.

If the bit about stalking out a primary school and trying to lift a child is true, I'd say they're lucky enough they only got a few smacks with a bar and a bit of paint.

[seafoid]

I'll throw this out for you all.....if you had 6-7 year old children and you knew that there were 2 convicted sexual offenders actively and openly trying to target children in your area what would your reaction be?  These men were prowling round the palypark and the school where family memebers of mine go to school and live and play. The police were not doing a whole pile to catch them despite them being informed. The was a palpable sense of fear among the community. Maybe they overstepped the mark but when fear and anger builds things can sometimes get out of hand. They had paint thrown over them and were hit a few times. How many stags before their weddings have had the same amount of shit poured over them 'for the craic' in the back of a trailer?  These men were not seriously hurt but their intentions were to do untold damage to some poor child. In the vacuum that is policing in our area forgive me for having no faith in the authorities to do anything. They got caught and their injuries will heal. Thankfully some poor child doesn't have to endure the pain the young lad from Navan did.

All well and good, but how would you feel if you or a family member were wrongfully accused of child abuse? The criminal justice system has some checks and balances to separate the innocent from the guilty. Vigilante justice seldom does.

It's an awful crime to be a victim of but it's also an awful crime to be accused of if you didn't do it. By all means throw the book at them and lock them up, but not before a fair trial. And if there's a policing vacuum, then the solution is to fill it with actual policing, not pitchforks and torches.

Let's not forget what happened to that pediatrician in England who ended up having to move house because the mob though "pediatrician" was the same as "paedophile."

These men are convicted sexual predators who have a history of hiding from authorities. They were on ten run from police for bench warrants and break the licence under which they were released from prison. They were stalking local schools and play parks and mad  at least on attempt to lift a child with a puppy as an incentive. Trust me there scum are not innocent victims in this and are not likely to be falsely accused.

"Are not likely to be falsely accused" is not good enough.

Local kangaroo courts don't work. They are still looking for bodies from the 70s.

The NI legal system maybe has fewer miscarriages of justice than the RoI because of changes post GFA but Patsy and Co working off gut feel and mainlining public anger have not moved on.

[omaghjoe]

Children complicate things infinitely.

If I was asked what would I do if this was my child? My instinct is to say.... "No problem doing it myself, and doing the time for it". That will teach them a lesson about doing it and give them the message this is what you get around here to them and any others who are contemplating similar action. Which will most likely work very well...... but.....

But then is a father in jail really the best thing for my children? even if it was a "noble crime". Id have to say even tho it may protect them in the short-term no... Id loose my job have difficultly getting another one when released, putting a financial burden on my family, I'd be giving them an example of violent vigilante justice which they might take it as ok to do for other circumstances that arent viewed as "noble". I may get away with it of course but is the risk worth it? The police are obligated to investigate crimes especially when they are attached to a high profile case so its a higher risk.
Detaining them and handing them over to the police would be by far the best for my family, there is no question.


In saying that the two boys IMO deserve everything they got, given their records I dont think there is too much doubt about their guilt.
And I also dont buy this nonsesne of what is their personal history that leads them to commit such a crime? At the end of the day they know right from wrong, what the law is, the consequences of their crime, and with all this knowledge they had a choice to make as to whether to go out and purse these crimes.

That last sentence tho could also apply to the vigilantes.

[haranguerer]

Its pointless discussing individual examples. The law has to be universal.

BC1, you said earlier you didn't condone the violence but have condoned it in every post I've seen on the matter (including the one you said you didn't condone it in). I'm guessing from other posters comments you are involved in the legal profession, and you've always seemed measured and reasonable - it makes it an even greater wonder you ignore the bigger picture here.