So the final everyone wants to see Mayo V Tyrone is still on the cards. Mayo must feel invincible at this stage. Imagine they were nearly beat by Derry!!!
Teams that gave mayo a game this year. Galway, Derry, Clare, Roscommon. Itll be some story if they win it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 27, 2017, 07:36:06 AM
Teams that gave mayo a game this year. Galway, Derry, Clare, Roscommon. Itll be some story if they win it.
Clare only for one half. Replace them with Cork.
Seeing as kerry took them to a replay they surely gave them a game too...
When will the replay be on ?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
Seeing as kerry took them to a replay they surely gave them a game too...
I think his point was to name teams that gave Mayo a game when few thought they would.
Mayo adjust playing levels accordingly to whatever team they play it's seems. More entertaining anyway.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 27, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
Seeing as kerry took them to a replay they surely gave them a game too...
I think his point was to name teams that gave Mayo a game when few thought they would.
Yeah. I didn't read the thread properly :-[
Hard to know what to expect now. As per most of the rest of the country i would love to see mayo win it. Think loftus should start for doc in the final.
Will be an interesting final now....Are mayo fans feeling any less confident after today?
I'd be more confident of a Mayo win after today.
Mayo will take Dublin on. The way Tyrone set up would allow junior club footballers look good. Mayo have a great chance.
Mayo will fear the Dubs.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
I'd be more confident of a Mayo win after today.
On what basis?
Mayo are very strong where Tyrone were very weak today.
If you let a team with decent forwards dominate the middle third and stroll up to your 45m line, you're on a hiding to nothing.
Dublin didn't have to defend today.
Mayo have demonstrated that they can physically go toe-to-toe with Dublin over 70 minutes.
Tyrone stood off Dublin and let them play.
Dublin will have to go up two gears in the final.
I'm not saying they won't be able to do that, I'm just saying that they are now massive favourites for the final.
That suits Mayo down to the ground.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2017, 06:08:54 PM
Mayo are very strong where Tyrone were very weak today.
If you let a team with decent forwards dominate the middle third and stroll up to your 45m line, you're on a hiding to nothing.
Dublin didn't have to defend today.
Mayo have demonstrated that they can physically go toe-to-toe with Dublin over 70 minutes.
Tyrone stood off Dublin and let them play.
Dublin will have to go up two gears in the final.
I'm not saying they won't be able to do that, I'm just saying that they are now massive favourites for the final.
That suits Mayo down to the ground.
Last year Mayo matched Dublin who weren't playing that well. This year I'm not sure they have the same ability with McCaffrey back and McCarthy in the middle.
I think if Cooper can take care of Andy Moran that will win the game for Dublin.
Dublin haven't been great this year either. They lost their league title and could have found themselves level against Kildare with 20 to go if Kildare took their easy goal chance. Dublin will be favourites of course but Mayo will take them on and play a few forwards up front.
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Dublin haven't been great this year either. They lost their league title and could have found themselves level against Kildare with 20 to go if Kildare took their easy goal chance. Dublin will be favourites of course but Mayo will take them on and play a few forwards up front.
Yet they have won every single match pulling up.
Sin é. The curse isn't ending in 2017.
Whilst mayo will play different to Tyrone I don't see a different outcome to today's result. Coc is off form from play and more so frees this year and Moran is carrying the ff line. Dublin will give him none of the room Kerry afforded him so that will shut down the mayo ff line. Mayo have more quality defenders to pick up the dub ff line but keegan is struggling since the ros replay and Aos doesn't usually have barnstorming finals.
Mayo struggled with Kerry kick outs the first day and Dublin do kick outs better than any team I've ever seen so it's hard to see them upsetting dublins possession
Cant see past a dublin win
Mayo have a great chance. They are significantly better than Tyrone at the moment and unlike Tyrone, they'll ask the Dublin players questions by taking them on. They'll defend players and not simply fill space. If I was a Tyrone man I'd be disgusted today because you had a chance today if you didn't tie yourself to a system that never had a chance of being successful.
The majority of Dubs subs would walk into the mayo team
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Mayo have a great chance. They are significantly better than Tyrone at the moment and unlike Tyrone, they'll ask the Dublin players questions by taking them on. They'll defend players and not simply fill space. If I was a Tyrone man I'd be disgusted today because you had a chance today if you didn't tie yourself to a system that never had a chance of being successful.
The only reason mayo are still in it is that they haven't played this dublin team yet. I'm coming round to the idea that this is the best team i've seen in the flesh ever (and i'm no spring chicken). Tactically it will play out different the next day but the outcome will be a comfortable dublin win
mayo have taken this team twice to replays in recent years
It'll be a better game than today anyway although that wouldn't be hard. Very difficult to pick against Dublin though. I think they are playing better than last year. McCaffrey is back. O'Callaghan is a huge plus for them. Their bench is ridiculous, Connolly, Brogan, McManamon, MDMA, etc.
It's Mayo's power and athleticism that allows them to hang with Dublin but the Dubs just have so much running ability and firepower in them this year. And their defence is not the Kerry defence. Andy Moran won't be in 4 or 5 yards of space every time the ball comes his way. I just don't see them being stopped to be honest.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Mayo have a great chance. They are significantly better than Tyrone at the moment and unlike Tyrone, they'll ask the Dublin players questions by taking them on. They'll defend players and not simply fill space. If I was a Tyrone man I'd be disgusted today because you had a chance today if you didn't tie yourself to a system that never had a chance of being successful.
The only reason mayo are still in it is that they haven't played this dublin team yet. I'm coming round to the idea that this is the best team i've seen in the flesh ever (and i'm no spring chicken). Tactically it will play out different the next day but the outcome will be a comfortable dublin win
Dublin may well win but I doubt it will be comfortable. Dublin didn't beat Mayo comfortably last year so why would they do it this year?
Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.
Mayo have the best defence in the country but that a serious Dublin forward line and a even more serious bench, thought Flynn showed the form of 3-4yrs ago today
I don't think you could read too much into Flynn's cameo as the game was up and some Tyrone players probably just wanted the game over.
Dublin will be favourites and rightly so but Mayo 1-9 are their equal. The Mayo forwards aren't a great scoring forward line but they are all very good footballers and Doherty and Moran are having great seasons.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Mayo have a great chance. They are significantly better than Tyrone at the moment and unlike Tyrone, they'll ask the Dublin players questions by taking them on. They'll defend players and not simply fill space. If I was a Tyrone man I'd be disgusted today because you had a chance today if you didn't tie yourself to a system that never had a chance of being successful.
The only reason mayo are still in it is that they haven't played this dublin team yet. I'm coming round to the idea that this is the best team i've seen in the flesh ever (and i'm no spring chicken). Tactically it will play out different the next day but the outcome will be a comfortable dublin win
Dublin may well win but I doubt it will be comfortable. Dublin didn't beat Mayo comfortably last year so why would they do it this year?
because they are better this year than last year and also because I think they have timed it better this year. They didnt take the league seriously at all and they have gradually ramped it up. They only started defending with intensity in the 1/4 final and again today. The discipline in the tackle was great - gave away few frees. Mayo did well from frees last year but those frees will be harder earned now. Who knows - maybe mayo will get some of the luck they haven't got in previous finals but I just can't see beyond the dubs
They'll definitely be favourites and it would be hard to back against them but today was as much about how bad Tyrone were as it was about how good Dublin were. I'm labouring the point now but the only way Tyrone had to attack was run the ball and Dublin were always be going to handle that. Tyrone's system meant Dublin weren't asked questions at either end of the field. I expect Mayo will make many of the Dublin players look a whole lot more ordinary than they did today.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 06:29:04 PM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Dublin haven't been great this year either. They lost their league title and could have found themselves level against Kildare with 20 to go if Kildare took their easy goal chance. Dublin will be favourites of course but Mayo will take them on and play a few forwards up front.
Yet they have won every single match pulling up.
Sin é. The curse isn't ending in 2017.
The oracle has spoken, given how accurate youve been all summer we may as well not turn up
The Dubs have so much firepower and experience on the bench which is huge, but the biggest plus must be O'Callaghan performing so well. They haven't needed to be so far, but they are probably better than last year.
In a strange way, although they have wobbled at times, Mayo seem to have found more inside themselves and they are set up to have one last crack at it.
Lee Keegan is due a massive game and AOS going back out the filed is almost like getting a new man back. Boyle and Higgins are flying huge and Kev McLoughlin getting on the scoreboard was another plus from Saturday.
It is Dublin's to lose considering the players they have. But, this Mayo team have proven to be absolutely insane this year so you never know.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:45:11 PM
Mayo have a great chance. They are significantly better than Tyrone at the moment and unlike Tyrone, they'll ask the Dublin players questions by taking them on. They'll defend players and not simply fill space. If I was a Tyrone man I'd be disgusted today because you had a chance today if you didn't tie yourself to a system that never had a chance of being successful.
The only reason mayo are still in it is that they haven't played this dublin team yet. I'm coming round to the idea that this is the best team i've seen in the flesh ever (and i'm no spring chicken). Tactically it will play out different the next day but the outcome will be a comfortable dublin win
Dublin may well win but I doubt it will be comfortable. Dublin didn't beat Mayo comfortably last year so why would they do it this year?
Dublin are a much better side this year . And are performing much better . Mayo have improved too. But Dublin have a higher ceiling in my view
Any chance that the GAA will abandon this year's football finals as Kerry and Dublin have the titles sewn up. Mayo and Derry supporters could be invited to a workshop on "Dealing with patronising commentary".
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2017, 08:11:44 PM
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Dublin haven't been great this year either. They lost their league title and could have found themselves level against Kildare with 20 to go if Kildare took their easy goal chance. Dublin will be favourites of course but Mayo will take them on and play a few forwards up front.
Yet they have won every single match pulling up.
Sin é. The curse isn't ending in 2017.
The oracle has spoken, given how accurate youve been all summer we may as well not turn up
You really picked a bad weekend to pull that carrot out of the ground.
Mayo battle hardened after so many extra time dramas and replays. Hitting peak form at the right time??
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 27, 2017, 09:20:30 PM
The Dubs have so much firepower and experience on the bench which is huge, but the biggest plus must be O'Callaghan performing so well. They haven't needed to be so far, but they are probably better than last year.
In a strange way, although they have wobbled at times, Mayo seem to have found more inside themselves and they are set up to have one last crack at it.
Lee Keegan is due a massive game and AOS going back out the filed is almost like getting a new man back. Boyle and Higgins are flying huge and Kev McLoughlin getting on the scoreboard was another plus from Saturday.
It is Dublin's to lose considering the players they have. But, this Mayo team have proven to be absolutely insane this year so you never know.
They should leave him at the back. Playing through him slows it up too much
Where would you play AOS now?
I'd have him around midfield drifting back as opposed to HF drifting back.
The forwards are playing much better as a unit without him.
somebody should tell Ciaran kilkenny he still allowed to shoot for points, he had serious scoring power a few years back but seems to get applause for his possession stats most for what he takes from a Dublin man standing 5 m beside him
Maybe have AOS at 6-ish so that he is mostly facing his own goals and there is less of a tendency to play through him. That still leaves his bulk there and he also can drive forward with the ball.
McCarthy was class today along with McCaffrey and they will take serious watching.
Would it be worthwhile putting a specific man on Kilkenny as he gets on so much ball. Granted he is not as potent as other times but he is nearly always their link man and the option in terms of supporting the man on the ball.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 09:39:40 PM
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
Dublin haven't been great this year either. They lost their league title and could have found themselves level against Kildare with 20 to go if Kildare took their easy goal chance. Dublin will be favourites of course but Mayo will take them on and play a few forwards up front.
Yet they have won every single match pulling up.
Sin é. The curse isn't ending in 2017.
The oracle has spoken, given how accurate youve been all summer we may as well not turn up
You really picked a bad weekend to pull that carrot out of the ground.
Why is that? U did say Kerry would win didn't you? An you've claimed at various points in the year that Harrison, Vaughan, AOS, Keegan and Andy are either not good enough or finished, just the three all stars at least from them. You're the biggest clown on this forum (which is quiet the accolade) and you make these statements like they're gospel.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2017, 10:44:07 PM
Where would you play AOS now?
I'd have him around midfield drifting back as opposed to HF drifting back.
The forwards are playing much better as a unit without him.
He slows the forward play up something horrid. I'd throw him at 14 or else as you say at the back.
I think Kilkenny is more of a hindrance than a help to Dublin the way he's playing. The more he gets on the ball the better as far as I'm concerned, he slows it down so much, allows a team to get set up defensively
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 27, 2017, 11:29:12 PM
I think Kilkenny is more of a hindrance than a help to Dublin the way he's playing. The more he gets on the ball the better as far as I'm concerned, he slows it down so much, allows a team to get set up defensively
I'd agree. He's nothing like what he's hyped to be.
What's the match ups likely to be? Barrett on o'Callaghan, harrison on mannion, Boyle on Kilkenny, Vaughan/cafferkey on Andrews, keegan on whom? Who'll pick up Moran. Doc and coc?
I'd have the match ups as follows (assuming Dublin start Connolly & drop Scully):
Barrett on Rock
Harrison on Andrews (ideally Harrison @ FB)
Higgins on O'Callaghan
Keegan on Connolly
Boyle on Kilkenny
Durcan on Mannion
AOS drifting back into the HB line to help.
I'd target Mannion, O'Callaghan and Connolly with Mayo's best 'running' defenders in Durcan, Higgins & Keegan.
a) to keep up with them
and
b) to get them chasing back into their own half.
Keep Vaughan in reserve and see where he's needed.
Ideally he would come on for SOS in the 2nd half to partner Parsons.
Start AOS at 11 or 15 and bring him back out the field.
AOS isn't the midfielder to be dropping back. In fact he's the worst of the starting three for that role.
I'm just trying to keep him out of the way.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 27, 2017, 11:40:10 PM
I'd have the match ups as follows (assuming Dublin start Connolly & drop Scully):
Barrett on Rock
Harrison on Andrews (ideally Harrison @ FB)
Higgins on O'Callaghan
Keegan on Connolly
Boyle on Kilkenny
Durcan on Mannion
AOS drifting back into the HB line to help.
I'd target Mannion, O'Callaghan and Connolly with Mayo's best 'running' defenders in Durcan, Higgins & Keegan.
a) to keep up with them
and
b) to get them chasing back into their own half.
Keep Vaughan in reserve and see where he's needed.
Ideally he would come on for SOS in the 2nd half to partner Parsons.
Start AOS at 11 or 15 and bring him back out the field.
Scully did really well today and i wouldn't be surprised if connolly doesnt start the final. Dublin can do a few matchups of their own as well - kerry kept keegan quiet so dublin might do the same job on him
Who will the Dubs gave on Moran? He is having a great year.
Mayo need to make sure he isnt tracking a man either and that hos only running is for his own ball.
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.
Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??
Quote from: straightred on August 27, 2017, 11:52:37 PM
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I'd have the match ups as follows (assuming Dublin start Connolly & drop Scully):
Barrett on Rock
Harrison on Andrews (ideally Harrison @ FB)
Higgins on O'Callaghan
Keegan on Connolly
Boyle on Kilkenny
Durcan on Mannion
AOS drifting back into the HB line to help.
I'd target Mannion, O'Callaghan and Connolly with Mayo's best 'running' defenders in Durcan, Higgins & Keegan.
a) to keep up with them
and
b) to get them chasing back into their own half.
Keep Vaughan in reserve and see where he's needed.
Ideally he would come on for SOS in the 2nd half to partner Parsons.
Start AOS at 11 or 15 and bring him back out the field.
Scully did really well today and i wouldn't be surprised if connolly doesnt start the final. Dublin can do a few matchups of their own as well - kerry kept keegan quiet so dublin might do the same job on him
Keegan wasn't kept quiet the second day. His own shot selection is what let him down. 4 shots at goal, 3 of which he normally scores with ease. I except to see him back to full fitness and form for the final
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 28, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.
Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??
The dubs are better all over the field than Kerry. Mayo will have to play to an even higher level to win. The thing is they will, they have the players that stifle an awful lot of what's good about Dublin. Stopping everything though and doing enough damage ourselves has been the problem, marginally. The dubs are rightful favourites and we'll just have to see if we have enough to beat you this time.
I can see Dublin starting as follows:
Kilkenny, O'Callaghan, Scully
Rock, Connolly, Mannion
Fitzsimmons to mark COC, Cooper on Moran with McMahon picking up a half forward and COS covering the fullbacks.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 28, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
I can see Dublin starting as follows:
Kilkenny, O'Callaghan, Scully
Rock, Connolly, Mannion
Fitzsimmons to mark COC, Cooper on Moran with McMahon picking up a half forward and COS covering the fullbacks.
No backs or midfield, we might have a chance so.
Last year's AI final encounters were epic and it looks as if Mayo have finally found their mojo this year, whether that's enough remains to be seen. Dublin are currently playing GAA style total football at its best. There are so many compelling attributes to their style of play, defend in numbers, easily hold onto possession, patience, player movement in the opposition half, ability to move the ball out wide, individual skills in closed space, point taking ability from almost any position in the opposition half, fitness etc.
In contrast in the 2nd half yesterday it was disturbing to witness 2 and 3 of the Tyrone players who had tried to press on Cluxton's kick out, just strolling around in space once the ball was being moved around the half way line. Whether that was mental or physical or both, I don't know.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.
Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??
But it's not that simple DUBSFORSAM1, as you know. I think the final will be like last years finals, physical and tight. Dublin are the better team IMO but not by enough to make it a straightforward win for them. If any team does win it comfortably it will be Dublin but Mayo have more seasoned, proven IC players than any county in Ireland outside of Dublin. I fully expect them to perform and push Dublin to the limits. With a bit of luck or players like COC or AOS delivering MOM performances they can certainly win.
In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
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Quote from: Zulu on August 27, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
Dublin are a great team but Tyrone made it easy for them. Con O'Callaghan is obviously a great player in the making but he, and the other Dublin forwards, will be marked by good defenders in the final. On the other side of the field the Dublin defenders will actually have forwards to mark. Mayo's only problem is the scoring power of their forwards, give them Paul Geaney and I'd have them favourites for the final.
Zulu if Kerry can score 2-14 and 0-17 against Mayo why will Dublin not score as much?
Do you honestly think the Kerry defence is as good as Dublin's ie If Shane Enright was from Dub would he have played 2 games on Andy Moran whilst getting taken apart??
But it's not that simple DUBSFORSAM1, as you know. I think the final will be like last years finals, physical and tight. Dublin are the better team IMO but not by enough to make it a straightforward win for them. If any team does win it comfortably it will be Dublin but Mayo have more seasoned, proven IC players than any county in Ireland outside of Dublin. I fully expect them to perform and push Dublin to the limits. With a bit of luck or players like COC or AOS delivering MOM performances they can certainly win.
Zulu but they are a team who've never won a national title, have lost to Galway, struggled with Derry, Cork, drew with Roscommon and Kerry (who everyone said were brutal in both games). It's like saying that Tyrone were going to trouble Dublin due to their performances this season. Have Mayo actually played a good game against a good team this season??
Dublin have Fitzsimmons in ahead of D Byrne, McCaffrey effectively replacing MDMA, Scully for Flynn, Mannion for Brogan and O'Callaghan for McMenamon so it's a stronger, faster and more mobile team this year. Mayo have effectively replaced Duran with Barret as their only change.
As much as I would love to see it I can't see Mayo getting over the line in the final. They'll make a much better fist of it compared to Tyrone but Dublin look better than last year, they have the motivation for the three in a row and they'll want to avenge their below average performances last year.
Any of the Mayo posters think Doherty should replace COC on free's?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on August 28, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
Any of the Mayo posters think Doherty should replace COC on free's?
not sure, maybe if coc is having a bad day. but weve all seen how deadly he can be so dont think doc should move ahead of him based off 2 frees, i would let him take the next couple 45s though
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 28, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
As much as I would love to see it I can't see Mayo getting over the line in the final. They'll make a much better fist of it compared to Tyrone but Dublin look better than last year, they have the motivation for the three in a row and they'll want to avenge their below average performances last year.
Agree. Coming out of the monaghan game people were moaning about the poor showing of monaghan and saying that at least Dublin would be tested against tyrone. I remember thinking they wouldn't and that it would be more of the same. Dublin had changed their style from the kildare game and now it was about retaining possession, not carrying into contact, staying patient etc and it has worked a dream for them in the quarter and semi. Both games over after 10 mins (or 15 if I'm generous).
They can now switch style again but they have the players to do that. If its a shootout Dublin win. If its defensive Dublin win. Their squad is that good
Quote from: TheOptimist on August 28, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
When are people going to stop this rubbish about Mayo conceding two "own goals" last year. There is no such thing as the concept of an "own goal" in Gaelic football. Dublin's two goals were brought about by incessant pressure from the Dublin forwards and still count as three points any day of the week.
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Galway lost 3 in 4 years in the early 70's but beyond that I'm not sure.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Could be worse if you were stuck on 1 solitary AI win like Armagh. Shameful that a county that calls itself a footballing won could sit in the roll of honour basement! ;D
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
If you want a scary comparison the Buffalo Bills lost 4 Superbowls in a row in the early 90s and have never managed to win one
Galway lost three in a row at the start of the 1940's but if the form lines hold we will be out on our own with 4 final losses in 6 years. THe Bills comparison is a good one but realy the amount of high draft picks they have had it's a joke they are crap since the 90's. I don't think they have won a a playoff game since 98 or so!!
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
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In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
When are people going to stop this rubbish about Mayo conceding two "own goals" last year. There is no such thing as the concept of an "own goal" in Gaelic football. Dublin's two goals were brought about by incessant pressure from the Dublin forwards and still count as three points any day of the week.
Bizarre analysis ... truely bizarre.
Should they introduce a new category in soccer too ..... "not really an own goal because the team had a lot of the possession in the few minutes leading up to the (ex own) goal being scored"
As for 'incessant pressure' .... i know the winners write the history but that comment is ridiculous.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on August 28, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
When are people going to stop this rubbish about Mayo conceding two "own goals" last year. There is no such thing as the concept of an "own goal" in Gaelic football. Dublin's two goals were brought about by incessant pressure from the Dublin forwards and still count as three points any day of the week.
Complete nonsense: Here's the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7QBhpUMgdc
The ball wouldn't have went in the net for either goal without the unfortunate touch of Mayo defenders. On each occasion the Mayo defence had outnumbered the Dublin forwards. For the first one, the ball was going wide before it was accidentally turned into the net. For the second one, the great pressure provided by Dublin involved the forward dropping the ball just as he was about to be tackled.
Quote from: blast05 on August 28, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on August 28, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
When are people going to stop this rubbish about Mayo conceding two "own goals" last year. There is no such thing as the concept of an "own goal" in Gaelic football. Dublin's two goals were brought about by incessant pressure from the Dublin forwards and still count as three points any day of the week.
Bizarre analysis ... truely bizarre.
Should they introduce a new category in soccer too ..... "not really an own goal because the team had a lot of the possession in the few minutes leading up to the (ex own) goal being scored"
As for 'incessant pressure' .... i know the winners write the history but that comment is ridiculous.
No, what's bizarre is to speak of these goals as if they two presents to Dublin from a very generous Mayo team. They were goals created by Dublin pressure and Mayo defensive mistakes - just like every other goal.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: blast05 on August 28, 2017, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 28, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Quote from: TheOptimist on August 28, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
In the first final last year after 33 minutes the score was Dublin 2-1, Mayo 0-4. The Dublin goals were the 2 OG's. I said it before the semi's and I will say it again, people have short memories, Mayo are the only team who can trouble the Dubs, they have proven it two years in succession. They have every chance of winning this one.
When are people going to stop this rubbish about Mayo conceding two "own goals" last year. There is no such thing as the concept of an "own goal" in Gaelic football. Dublin's two goals were brought about by incessant pressure from the Dublin forwards and still count as three points any day of the week.
Bizarre analysis ... truely bizarre.
Should they introduce a new category in soccer too ..... "not really an own goal because the team had a lot of the possession in the few minutes leading up to the (ex own) goal being scored"
As for 'incessant pressure' .... i know the winners write the history but that comment is ridiculous.
No, what's bizarre is to speak of these goals as if they two presents to Dublin from a very generous Mayo team. They were goals created by Dublin pressure and Mayo defensive mistakes - just like every other goal.
They wouldn't have been goals if the ball didn't hit off McLoughlin and Boyle. They were two OGs whatever way you want to look at it.
If Mayo get the heads right I think they can beat Dublin.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Could be worse if you were stuck on 1 solitary AI win like Armagh. Shameful that a county that calls itself a footballing won could sit in the roll of honour basement! ;D
Could be worse. Your county could have just got drubbed in an AI SF after boasting how they were the only team who could take down the dubs
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Jimmy White lost 6 finals. Andy Moran will have lost 6 finals as a Mayo panelist if they lose this year (lost 5 on field of play and one as injured member)
If Keith Duggan isn't currently writing a much expanded version of House of Pain I'll be severely disappointed.
Quote from: seafoid on August 28, 2017, 04:51:48 PM
If Mayo get the heads right I think they can beat Dublin.
you think they don't have their heads right now?
If you think you are going to be beaten then you will be. Sporting history is replete with tales of champions who were unbeatable until they were beaten. I don't know if Mayo will beat Dublin but going on the last few years I don't see much between them. Mayo are stronger this year than they have ever been with a very settled side. Dublin have breezed through the championship and haven't yet been pushed. The unknowable is whether they are as good as their results indicate or if they are not as good under pressure. I think Mayo are in the better place as they will be huge underdogs, will be unaffected by the hype around the match and will not be unduly bothered if things go wrong early in a game . Dublin on the other hand are on a hiding to nothing. The "3 in a row" pressure will build, they have not settled on their best 15 and that will create tensions and while their bench is formidable, if they have to come off the bench to turn a game rather than to colour the end of a one-sided game the pressure will be all the greater. There are other factors like weather and ref that can have a huge bearing. I'm hoping for a thunder and lightning final with a deluge of rain and plenty of wind. I don't care what the quality of the match is only "To win just Once". The optimism I have felt all season is as strong as ever. A fighter's chance.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 28, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Could be worse if you were stuck on 1 solitary AI win like Armagh. Shameful that a county that calls itself a footballing won could sit in the roll of honour basement! ;D
Could be worse. Your county could have just got drubbed in an AI SF after boasting how they were the only team who could take down the dubs
Nah mate. Your ONE AI win coupled with being the toilet-brush of Ulster football is utterly humiliating. Not a single win in Ulster in 3 years of trying for McGeeney. Getting fucked over by every team in Ulster as well as by Tyrone and Down in one season caps it all. #ThePatheticOrchard
Poor little pet! Obviously a wee bit sore after the drubbing yesterday.
A Mayo win would be a bigger upset than Donegal in '92.
Are Mayo going to start the rough stuff again before throw in?
Will Big Aido & Cillian be hanging around outside the Dublin dressing room looking to 'upskuttle' someone?
As opposed to choir boys like Copper and Boxer McMahon?
AOS is a diver but he's as soft a big lad as you'll find.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
A Mayo win would be a bigger upset than Donegal in '92.
Quote from: moysider on August 28, 2017, 06:40:59 PM
A Mayo win would be a bigger upset than Donegal in '92.
I dunno. They're 11/4 with the bookies and -3 on the handicap. They were similar odds to beat Kerry a fortnight ago. Matches with those odds tend to go to the final quarter.
Bookies do get it wrong sometimes but they'd appear to hesitant at offering a big risk on Mayo here.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2017, 06:45:32 PM
As opposed to choir boys like Copper and Boxer McMahon?
AOS is a diver but he's as soft a big lad as you'll find.
Who's Copper?
It's funny cos it's untrue about Big Aido upskuttling.
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
Are Mayo going to start the rough stuff again before throw in?
Will Big Aido & Cillian be hanging around outside the Dublin dressing room looking to 'upskuttle' someone?
3 weeks to go and the inevitable snide condescending Heffo comments start. How's about we all agree you win the bitch comment competition and a bout of football discussion breaks out?
Quote from: PW Nally on August 28, 2017, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
Are Mayo going to start the rough stuff again before throw in?
Will Big Aido & Cillian be hanging around outside the Dublin dressing room looking to 'upskuttle' someone?
How's about we all agree you win the bitch comment competition and a bout of football discussion breaks out?
Yes, can we get the banker out of the way now.
1. This Dublin team is overrated.
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 28, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Could be worse if you were stuck on 1 solitary AI win like Armagh. Shameful that a county that calls itself a footballing won could sit in the roll of honour basement! ;D
Could be worse. Your county could have just got drubbed in an AI SF after boasting how they were the only team who could take down the dubs
Nah mate. Your ONE AI win coupled with being the toilet-brush of Ulster football is utterly humiliating. Not a single win in Ulster in 3 years of trying for McGeeney. Getting fucked over by every team in Ulster as well as by Tyrone and Down in one season caps it all. #ThePatheticOrchard
It still hurts the next day doesn't it? It won't go away for a while mate. Believe me. We have experience
Quote from: heffo on August 28, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
Are Mayo going to start the rough stuff again before throw in?
Will Big Aido & Cillian be hanging around outside the Dublin dressing room looking to 'upskuttle' someone?
As soon as the Dubs are finished their annual whinghfest about Keegan ;)
Maybe Rochford should stick the no 5 Jersey on Rob Hennelly since the all knowledgeable Dubs would think him banished to the bench!!
I bet they still cheer Whelo on the Hill after every catch and Jayo is still knocking the points over a good decade into retirement!! ;D
Number 14 is probably still a greedy bollix too!! ;D
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Do you have many accounts there, Zu?
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 28, 2017, 06:59:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 28, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on August 28, 2017, 02:30:00 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 28, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Whats the precedent of a team losing 4 finals in 6 years? 😂
Could be worse if you were stuck on 1 solitary AI win like Armagh. Shameful that a county that calls itself a footballing won could sit in the roll of honour basement! ;D
Could be worse. Your county could have just got drubbed in an AI SF after boasting how they were the only team who could take down the dubs
Nah mate. Your ONE AI win coupled with being the toilet-brush of Ulster football is utterly humiliating. Not a single win in Ulster in 3 years of trying for McGeeney. Getting fucked over by every team in Ulster as well as by Tyrone and Down in one season caps it all. #ThePatheticOrchard
It still hurts the next day doesn't it? It won't go away for a while mate. Believe me. We have experience
Ffs, would ye not stay over on the SF thread and bicker there. Maybe take heffo with ye for all he's adding here
When was the last time we had the same 2 sides in the final in consecutive seasons? Mayo are more or less the same side that suffered defeat last year whilst Dublin have McCaffrey and O' Callaghan to come into last years side who have improved the team. It's very hard to make a case for a Mayo victory but they very rarely fail to perform in these big matches, they simply lack one or two specialist marksmen at the very top.
In his post match interview after the match yesterday Gavin claimed that Dublin had failed to perform in last years AI final which tends to suggest that he believes Dublin are a much better side than Mayo if they manage to produce the performance he is looking for. Ominous.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2017, 09:52:13 PM
When was the last time we had the same 2 sides in the final in consecutive seasons?
1987,88 Meath v Cork. Back then Mayo hadn't reached AI final since 1951.
Quote from: Syferus on August 28, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Do you have many accounts there, Zu?
None. But that Mayo poster made a complete fool of himself after the Kerry game posting all manner of silly jibes .
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Hardly gonna get banned from here. When they let gobshites like you hang around here so long this forum lost credability a time ago
Is there even any admins around here any more. The all ireland final forum after just 7 pages looks like its gonna be ruined by the usual idiots
Quote from: criostlinn on August 28, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Hardly gonna get banned from here. When they let gobshites like you hang around here so long this forum lost credability a time ago
Is there even any admins around here any more. The all ireland final forum after just 7 pages looks like its gonna be ruined by the usual idiots
Well you've been reported for that so let's see if any are around !
Dublin obviously looked very impressive yesterday.
Mayo have shown over the past 5 years though that they - more than any other team - match up well with the Dubs and defensively are able to limit them more than anyone else can.
Will they be able to turn around the last 3 results against them is the question. One way or another imo there won't be much in it.
There's no way Dublin will roll them over like they did yesterday.
Mayo don't fold anymore against anyone.
If they lose it will be narrowly.
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Not that it matters but I'm not sure what ur talking about. There is a Mayo4Sam14 here, maybe you're confusing us but either I don't know what the Kerry forum even is
Was whoever it was banned for suggesting the hill can't recognise its favourite player? Or maybe the Kerry lads didn't recognise Donaghy?
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 28, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Hardly gonna get banned from here. When they let gobshites like you hang around here so long this forum lost credability a time ago
Is there even any admins around here any more. The all ireland final forum after just 7 pages looks like its gonna be ruined by the usual idiots
Well you've been reported for that so let's see if any are around !
::) ::)
If there is an admin still active around here and they take any heed of what a clown like you has to say, they may as well shut up shop on the whole thing
Quote from: criostlinn on August 28, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on August 28, 2017, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Hardly gonna get banned from here. When they let gobshites like you hang around here so long this forum lost credability a time ago
Is there even any admins around here any more. The all ireland final forum after just 7 pages looks like its gonna be ruined by the usual idiots
Well you've been reported for that so let's see if any are around !
::) ::)
If there is an admin still active around here and they take any heed of what a clown like you has to say, they may as well shut up shop on the whole thing
And again :)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Not that it matters but I'm not sure what ur talking about. There is a Mayo4Sam14 here, maybe you're confusing us but either I don't know what the Kerry forum even is
Was whoever it was banned for suggesting the hill can't recognise its favourite player? Or maybe the Kerry lads didn't recognise Donaghy?
I'm talking about you. And you know I'm right.
How many more interviews is philly going to do about his hard upbringing? Its got some mileage the last couple of years, admired him at first , now its just cringe.
Well there's not a lot I can say to that, u couldn't possibly be wrong. Yourself and Syf must get on well with yer statements as absolute FACT
My original point stands, it was hilarious to see the whole hill going daft to see St. Dermo coming on, except it wasn't him was it. Lownes doesn't even look like him, shorter too, I suppose he did have a blue jersey on him
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Well there's not a lot I can say to that, u couldn't possibly be wrong. Yourself and Syf must get on well with yer statements as absolute FACT
My original point stands, it was hilarious to see the whole hill going daft to see St. Dermo coming on, except it wasn't him was it. Lownes doesn't even look like him, shorter too, I suppose he did have a blue jersey on him
What the fùck do I have to do with your scrap?
Quote from: yellowcard on August 28, 2017, 09:52:13 PM
When was the last time we had the same 2 sides in the final in consecutive seasons? Mayo are more or less the same side that suffered defeat last year whilst Dublin have McCaffrey and O' Callaghan to come into last years side who have improved the team. It's very hard to make a case for a Mayo victory but they very rarely fail to perform in these big matches, they simply lack one or two specialist marksmen at the very top.
In his post match interview after the match yesterday Gavin claimed that Dublin had failed to perform in last years AI final which tends to suggest that he believes Dublin are a much better side than Mayo if they manage to produce the performance he is looking for. Ominous.
And maybe there is something to this peaking business as well. Dublin took it easy in the league and didn't seem too bothered in the league final. Even in the kildare game there wasn't much intensity as they had the game won with the early goals. They then stepped up the intensity and keep ball tactics in the quarter and semi. As you say they have 2 top performers in now that weren't there last year and they seem to be in prime condition. On top of that Gavin is openly challenging them on last years performance. Everything seems to point to a Dublin win. Ominous indeed !
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on August 28, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
It was hilarious the hill not recognising St. Dermo
I see you got banned from the Kerry forum. Wonder how long it'll be before your banned here too
Not that it matters but I'm not sure what ur talking about. There is a Mayo4Sam14 here, maybe you're confusing us but either I don't know what the Kerry forum even is
Was whoever it was banned for suggesting the hill can't recognise its favourite player? Or maybe the Kerry lads didn't recognise Donaghy?
Well thats me and tbh i didnt realise there a was a kerry forum on here either
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Well there's not a lot I can say to that, u couldn't possibly be wrong. Yourself and Syf must get on well with yer statements as absolute FACT
My original point stands, it was hilarious to see the whole hill going daft to see St. Dermo coming on, except it wasn't him was it. Lownes doesn't even look like him, shorter too, I suppose he did have a blue jersey on him
Probably because he was wearing the number 12
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 29, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Well there's not a lot I can say to that, u couldn't possibly be wrong. Yourself and Syf must get on well with yer statements as absolute FACT
My original point stands, it was hilarious to see the whole hill going daft to see St. Dermo coming on, except it wasn't him was it. Lownes doesn't even look like him, shorter too, I suppose he did have a blue jersey on him
Probably because he was wearing the number 12
Ah yeah, number 12 is a great player in fairness. All the biys on da Hill know dah
This thread has descended into a farce, snide comments from heffo, expected better from you heffo to be honest, Indiana accusing Mayo4Sam about something he never did - how do I know, it was me, carry on regardless. I also can't post on reservoir dubs, or stolen sheep. My comments on mayogaablog (The rare times I do comment end up in moderation). So this is my only outlet anymore 😊.
Rant over. I hope the game is better than the debate on this thread.
By the way Indiana, it was quite bemusing given the fact that all the crying of injustice about the suspension dished out to Connolly that ye didn't know if it was him or not. You are allowed carry on with your high horse attitude though as Dublin are going to be extremely difficult to beat.
Quote from: Tubberman on August 29, 2017, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 29, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on August 28, 2017, 11:15:25 PM
Well there's not a lot I can say to that, u couldn't possibly be wrong. Yourself and Syf must get on well with yer statements as absolute FACT
My original point stands, it was hilarious to see the whole hill going daft to see St. Dermo coming on, except it wasn't him was it. Lownes doesn't even look like him, shorter too, I suppose he did have a blue jersey on him
Probably because he was wearing the number 12
Ah yeah, number 12 is a great player in fairness. All the biys on da Hill know dah
Connolly has work that a lot in the past hasn't he?? I'm only guessing. I don't know what the people on hill 16 think or don't think
Quote from: larryin89 on August 28, 2017, 11:06:01 PM
How many more interviews is philly going to do about his hard upbringing? Its got some mileage the last couple of years, admired him at first , now its just cringe.
He's going to do one more than big Aido launching the latest Rose Gold Mickey Coors watch on Insta
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2017, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 28, 2017, 11:06:01 PM
How many more interviews is philly going to do about his hard upbringing? Its got some mileage the last couple of years, admired him at first , now its just cringe.
He's going to do one more than big Aido launching the latest Rose Gold Mickey Coors watch on Insta
All these Dublin lads talkin about a hard upbringing-try being dropped off in a bog in east tyrone, gettin ate out of it with pishmers every summer for a lough of shillins, or a half hour bone-shaker ride in the back of a pickup to eglish, to pick strawberrys and pull weeds all week for enough money for a polly pineapple. No wonder we're half mad.
Very surprised Connolly saw so little time v Tyrone, especially the way the match went. Nothing to do with his card situation in my view. It's either that Gavin is planning for him to only be a bit-part player at most in the final, or he's trying to make Mayo think that way.
Be interesting to see what Mayo do with Keegan in a Connolly-free Dublin. I know he didn't have the greatest two games v Kerry, but his illness/injury worries should be well cleared up in the next 3 weeks.
Fitzsimons will mark Moran. He always marks the opposition's main scoring threat. Philly on COC.
Quote from: Whishtup on August 29, 2017, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: heffo on August 29, 2017, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on August 28, 2017, 11:06:01 PM
How many more interviews is philly going to do about his hard upbringing? Its got some mileage the last couple of years, admired him at first , now its just cringe.
He's going to do one more than big Aido launching the latest Rose Gold Mickey Coors watch on Insta
All these Dublin lads talkin about a hard upbringing-try being dropped off in a bog in east tyrone, gettin ate out of it with pishmers every summer for a lough of shillins, or a half hour bone-shaker ride in the back of a pickup to eglish, to pick strawberrys and pull weeds all week for enough money for a polly pineapple. No wonder we're half mad.
:D
At least the Dublin defence will get plenty of practice going up against an attack of Flynn, Connolly, McMenamon, Brogan, O'Gara, Costelloe in the AvB games which will prepare them better than Tyrone etc did before the final
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 29, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
This thread has descended into a farce, snide comments from heffo, expected better from you heffo to be honest, Indiana accusing Mayo4Sam about something he never did - how do I know, it was me, carry on regardless. I also can't post on reservoir dubs, or stolen sheep. My comments on mayogaablog (The rare times I do comment end up in moderation). So this is my only outlet anymore 😊.
Rant over. I hope the game is better than the debate on this thread.
By the way Indiana, it was quite bemusing given the fact that all the crying of injustice about the suspension dished out to Connolly that ye didn't know if it was him or not. You are allowed carry on with your high horse attitude though as Dublin are going to be extremely difficult to beat.
what did you do to the professional fans on mayogaablog ?
I actually think Durcan could be put on Connolly, he did well on him last year when Keegan got his black.
I'm half expecting Keegan to be on Con O'Callaghan. He's an outstanding footballer but he is a weak shoulder when you're running at Dublin. I think it was Colm Cavanagh who brushed him aside on Sunday, image Keegan running at him. Add that to the abuse Keegan will give him when Dublin have the ball, it'll be something completely new for him and interesting to see how he stands up to it. If he comes out well out of it then it would go a long way towards a Dublin win, if he shies away then it'll put Mayo on the front foot
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 11:16:48 AM
Very surprised Connolly saw so little time v Tyrone, especially the way the match went. Nothing to do with his card situation in my view. It's either that Gavin is planning for him to only be a bit-part player at most in the final, or he's trying to make Mayo think that way.
Be interesting to see what Mayo do with Keegan in a Connolly-free Dublin. I know he didn't have the greatest two games v Kerry, but his illness/injury worries should be well cleared up in the next 3 weeks.
Fitzsimons will mark Moran. He always marks the opposition's main scoring threat. Philly on COC.
Cooper did well on Moran the last two years as well!
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
im less optimstic, kerry werent very good either day and brought it to a replay. if anything dublin are better than last season and have managed the season better. incredible team and the majority of your subs would walk into the mayo team, cant see past a dublin win tbh
Looking forward to a great game - hard to think of a bad game between the sides in recent years.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
Kerry were awful. Nobody is reading too much into beating them other than it's a monkey off our backs. It was overdue, it was a sore point after 2014, so it was sweet, but they were really poor.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
I'd be asking myself the same question after beating Tyrone! Let's say Kerry are rubbish. Would you put your league final defeat down to seriously taking you taking your eye off the ball?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 29, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
Kerry were awful. Nobody is reading too much into beating them other than it's a monkey off our backs. It was overdue, it was a sore point after 2014, so it was sweet, but they were really poor.
that said lost against galway, et against derry, poor against clare, et against cork, drew with roscommon - all poor performances. Kerry were poor the first day but still drew and could very well have won. Cant really read too much into either replays Roscommon were awful and kerry were even worst than the first day, so where is the optism that we can beat possibly the greatest ever team coming from
Quote from: Tubberman on August 29, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
Kerry were awful. Nobody is reading too much into beating them other than it's a monkey off our backs. It was overdue, it was a sore point after 2014, so it was sweet, but they were really poor.
Kerry breezed into the semi final and won the national league being the only side to defeat Dublin in the last 40+ matches. They were poor because Mayo out powered them and Kerry couldn't live with their physicality in the middle third of the pitch. I wouldn't underestimate the fillip that defeating Kerry in a big match in Croke Park will do for Mayo's confidence going into the final. It was a hoodoo that needed ending and they will have to end another one to end their losing run of AI final appearances. They are big underdogs but still have a decent chance and their contests with Dublin in recent have always been settled on the small margins. Dublin have a better squad of players but they can only play 15 players on the field at the same time.
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2017, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
I'd be asking myself the same question after beating Tyrone! Let's say Kerry are rubbish. Would you put your league final defeat down to seriously taking you taking your eye off the ball?
Dublin started training far later this season so weren't as up to the pace as Kerry and since the final have added Johnny Cooper, Jack McCaffrey, Con O'Callaghan to the team also which helps especially in defence.
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
+1
That's more or less how I feel also.
Mayo have improved, no doubt, but I can't honestly see them getting within 6 of Dubs; who are well-oiled robots
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
I'd agree in the main, but you'd want to run your assessment of Harrison by Syferus first for approval - he'll be sure to change your mind!
Vaughan was having a great game last year I thought until the unfortunate "accidental" collision which meant he had to go off injured.
Dublin by 5.... (keep in mind however that i called kerry by 8(!) before the first game)
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Mayo have improved, no doubt, but I can't honestly see them getting within 6 of Dubs; who are well-oiled robots
They weren't well oiled robots in last year's final although Gavin seems to be using that as a stick to beat them with already.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 29, 2017, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on August 29, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
Mayo have improved, no doubt, but I can't honestly see them getting within 6 of Dubs; who are well-oiled robots
They weren't well oiled robots in last year's final although Gavin seems to be using that as a stick to beat them with already.
they were well off it and still won
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 29, 2017, 12:31:53 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
I'd be asking myself the same question after beating Tyrone! Let's say Kerry are rubbish. Would you put your league final defeat down to seriously taking you taking your eye off the ball?
Before last Sunday I'd no idea how we'd perform against Tyrone but as we know now Tyrone were very poor on the day and so Dublin learned little. Perhaps Mayo may feel the same after the Kerry games. All this makes the final intriguing and impossible to call.
Dublin will be looking to absolutely murder us like they did in the league, goes without saying that we need a decent start. Be concerned too with the number of easy frees we're giving away, we don't appear to be as disciplined in the tackle as we were last year. If we see Moran and COC being dragged towards their own 40 by their markers we'll know the game is up.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on August 29, 2017, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 29, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 29, 2017, 12:19:30 PM
Coming into this final all the momentum seems to be with Mayo. It seems that this year Sam is well within their grasp. However, if I were a Mayo supporter I'd have one nagging concern. Since much of the optimism about their prospects seems to stem from their devastating performance against Kerry I'd be asking myself: How good were Kerry this year?
Kerry were awful. Nobody is reading too much into beating them other than it's a monkey off our backs. It was overdue, it was a sore point after 2014, so it was sweet, but they were really poor.
that said lost against galway, et against derry, poor against clare, et against cork, drew with roscommon - all poor performances. Kerry were poor the first day but still drew and could very well have won. Cant really read too much into either replays Roscommon were awful and kerry were even worst than the first day, so where is the optism that we can beat possibly the greatest ever team coming from
we get it at this stage, like pretty much every match Mayo have been involved in this year, it's awful tiresome at this stage. Take a wee breather for a couple of weeks and recharge those negative batteries. You're prob not even a Mayo man
Anyway, Mayo to win by 2 points.
Kerry are way better than Tyrone in fairness.
The Dubs havent had to break sweat once this year
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Kerry are way better than Tyrone in fairness.
The Dubs havent had to break sweat once this year
On what basis ? How do you know Dublin wouldn't have wouldn't have done the same against Kerry or more to the point how to know they won't embarrass Mayo. There is no top 4 IMO. There's 1 off in the distance and then there's a bunch of Div 1 teams who could beat each other on any given day
One thing Dublin need to do in final is cut out the frees against Mayo as we have conceded a lot of scoreable frees against them. We have played them in 6 championship since 2012. Cillian O'Connor has scored 2-46 in them 6 games 1-38 has come from placed, 4 45s and only 1-4 from play. Andy Moran has scored 1-8 in 5 games against us with 1 point coming from a free.
Quote from: straightred on August 29, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: seafoid on August 29, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Kerry are way better than Tyrone in fairness.
The Dubs havent had to break sweat once this year
On what basis ? How do you know Dublin wouldn't have wouldn't have done the same against Kerry or more to the point how to know they won't embarrass Mayo. There is no top 4 IMO. There's 1 off in the distance and then there's a bunch of Div 1 teams who could beat each other on any given day
Kerry in recent years have beaten decent teams. Tyrone have not. FFS
Reckon it's Mayos year. The team that beats Kerry has won every All Ireland since 2011 and 14 of the last 15 All-Irelands.
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Pretty fair assessment Hound but can't agree with the Vaughan part. He played really well in both of last years games and was a huge loss last year when he went off with concussion.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
Reckon it's Mayos year. The team that beats Kerry has won every All Ireland since 2011 and 14 of the last 15 All-Irelands.
The team that's Dublin have won four of the last six All-Irelands. A bit more relevant to this match than your fact.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
Reckon it's Mayos year. The team that beats Kerry has won every All Ireland since 2011 and 14 of the last 15 All-Irelands.
Down the only team that beat them and didn't go on to win the All Ireland?
Quote from: Syferus on August 29, 2017, 09:30:58 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
Reckon it's Mayos year. The team that beats Kerry has won every All Ireland since 2011 and 14 of the last 15 All-Irelands.
The team that's Dublin have won four of the last six All-Irelands. A bit more relevant to this match than your fact.
A nice bit of trivia all the same. And the exception of those 15 years actually lost to Kerry en route to winning the all-Ireland.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 29, 2017, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 29, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
Reckon it's Mayos year. The team that beats Kerry has won every All Ireland since 2011 and 14 of the last 15 All-Irelands.
Down the only team that beat them and didn't go on to win the All Ireland?
Yeah. You have to go back to Meath in 2001 before that.
Although it should be "knocked out" rather than "beat", as Cork best them a few times in those years
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Keegan was certainly at last year's level up to half-time in the draw against Roscommon. With three weeks rest you have to expect he'll be back to that level again for the final.
For me Cillian O'Connor has been better from open play in the last few matches than he was last year, or perhaps ever. But his free-taking has definitely gone down a notch.
Mayo's real disadvantage is that they are basically relying on 18 players. It's clear that only Durcan and to a lesser extent Loftus and Coen are really trusted by their management to come in and do a job off the bench.
Quote from: sid waddell on August 29, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Keegan was certainly at last year's level up to half-time in the draw against Roscommon. With three weeks rest you have to expect he'll be back to that level again for the final.
For me Cillian O'Connor has been better from open play in the last few matches than he was last year, or perhaps ever. But his free-taking has definitely gone down a notch.
Mayo's real disadvantage is that they are basically relying on 18 players. It's clear that only Durcan and to a lesser extent Loftus and Coen are really trusted by their management to come in and do a job off the bench.
Absolutely, once you go beyond those two / three, the subs start to seriously weaken the team. Dublin could go well past six without doing that to any great extent. We'd need a couple of Dubs to go off early to balance that up - either young starters for Dublin having a nightmare, a black card or an injury. Last year we had two subs used by HT so we can ill afford a repeat of that.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 29, 2017, 10:40:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on August 29, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Keegan was certainly at last year's level up to half-time in the draw against Roscommon. With three weeks rest you have to expect he'll be back to that level again for the final.
For me Cillian O'Connor has been better from open play in the last few matches than he was last year, or perhaps ever. But his free-taking has definitely gone down a notch.
Mayo's real disadvantage is that they are basically relying on 18 players. It's clear that only Durcan and to a lesser extent Loftus and Coen are really trusted by their management to come in and do a job off the bench.
Absolutely, once you go beyond those two / three, the subs start to seriously weaken the team. Dublin could go well past six without doing that to any great extent. We'd need a couple of Dubs to go off early to balance that up - either young starters for Dublin having a nightmare, a black card or an injury. Last year we had two subs used by HT so we can ill afford a repeat of that.
Bloody david drake !!
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Good man, we won't have a hope in the final if somebody doesn't take down the might of Imelda May!! Keep her lit up in the premium level ;D
Quote from: sid waddell on August 29, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 29, 2017, 01:01:47 PM
Form in semi-final is completely irrelevant when predicting what's going to happen in a final.
Only thing of relevance is last year's All Ireland finals, and that being 12 months ago makes it very hard to compare. Andy Moran is clearly playing better than last year, as is Aidan O'Shea. Doherty now a legitimate threat and Loftus looks like he could do what Costello did last year. Boyle is super, and nobody can doubt the class of Harrison and Barrett at the back. Vaughan (who I would say pretty much has always been poor v the Dubs) is having his best year ever. Keegan not at the same level as last year, but illness accounts for that. COC not playing as well as last year, but I'm sure Mayo lads are confident he'll play well.
Overall I would say I expect Mayo to be slightly better this year than last year. I think Dublin are better too. It'll be down to who produces on the day. Should be a super game.
Keegan was certainly at last year's level up to half-time in the draw against Roscommon. With three weeks rest you have to expect he'll be back to that level again for the final.
For me Cillian O'Connor has been better from open play in the last few matches than he was last year, or perhaps ever. But his free-taking has definitely gone down a notch.
Mayo's real disadvantage is that they are basically relying on 18 players. It's clear that only Durcan and to a lesser extent Loftus and Coen are really trusted by their management to come in and do a job off the bench.
I would say that Mayo are effectively playing with 16 players of a simialr level since Durcan is the only player who improves things when introduced. Coen looks like an ordinary player to me skill wise but Loftus has improved recently and may have some potential long term. So unless Barry Moran can work his way into contention for a 10/15 minute cameo I think Mayo's biggest disadvantage is this lack of strength in depth. They need to avoid injuries and black cards and it is arguable that they could have won last years final replay but for Keegan's black card in the replay.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
I know you're a WUM, but anyone who brings a whistle to a GAA match needs a kick in the nads.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Dublin by 8 ....Next! ;D
Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Having access to Hill tickets means that a gang of Mayo fans (who been attending games all year as a group) can get "seats" together for the final.
Do you think this luxury should be afforded to only ONE of the competing teams?
Secondly Mayo supporters have enoumous travel expenses to attend the game compared to that of Dublin supporters.....should Mayo fans not have access to the cheapest seats in the house to help offset these expenses?
Quote from: whitey on August 30, 2017, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Having access to Hill tickets means that a gang of Mayo fans (who been attending games all year as a group) can get "seats" together for the final.
Do you think this luxury should be afforded to only ONE of the competing teams?
Secondly Mayo supporters have enoumous travel expenses to attend the game compared to that of Dublin supporters.....should Mayo fans not have access to the cheapest seats in the house to help offset these expenses?
Of course the Hill should be (and is) open to supporters of all counties, but there didn't seem to be too many Mayo or Kerry supporters anxious to buy Hill tickets for the semi final(s).
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 30, 2017, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 30, 2017, 04:41:30 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Having access to Hill tickets means that a gang of Mayo fans (who been attending games all year as a group) can get "seats" together for the final.
Do you think this luxury should be afforded to only ONE of the competing teams?
Secondly Mayo supporters have enoumous travel expenses to attend the game compared to that of Dublin supporters.....should Mayo fans not have access to the cheapest seats in the house to help offset these expenses?
Of course the Hill should be (and is) open to supporters of all counties, but there didn't seem to be too many Mayo or Kerry supporters anxious to buy Hill tickets for the semi final(s).
Why would they, when they had their pick of stand seats all together for the semi final?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 30, 2017, 05:28:46 PM
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Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on August 30, 2017, 09:53:00 AM
I hear Imelda Maye is singing on Al final day?, seeing that she comes from the South inner City area I have no doubt that "Molly Malone" or the other one "the Auld triangle" will be belted out, or maybe a song each for both Counties.
I would encourage All Mayo supporters to sing our own song at exactly the same time (as the Dubs anthem).
Mayo County Board will need to aggressively demand a fair share of the Hill and Nally tickets, I will be in the unusual position of looking for a ticket here in Dublin and Mayo, I have never been let down for an All Ireland ticket from my Mayo contact. Having been in the Premium level for both Kerry matches, I need to be in the terraces for the final.
The Large flag will make an appearance also, maybe a loudspeaker and whistle.
We normally head to Mayo for the Halloween break, but this year I believe this will be brought forward, I have pencilled in a date on my work diary, it's 18th Sept, the Monday homecoming.
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Having access to Hill tickets means that a gang of Mayo fans (who been attending games all year as a group) can get "seats" together for the final.
Do you think this luxury should be afforded to only ONE of the competing teams?
Secondly Mayo supporters have enoumous travel expenses to attend the game compared to that of Dublin supporters.....should Mayo fans not have access to the cheapest seats in the house to help offset these expenses?
Of course the Hill should be (and is) open to supporters of all counties, but there didn't seem to be too many Mayo or Kerry supporters anxious to buy Hill tickets for the semi final(s).
You realise they limit the number of Hill tickets on match-days when there isn't a full house expected, right? I suppose it may be different for Dublin when there's not a full house, but that kind of sinks your point..
Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill.
Would these be the same "real fans" who can't tell the difference between Eric Lowndes and Diarmuid Connolly??? ::)
Quote from: dublin7 on August 30, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Why the sudden demand for hill tickets for Mayo supporters. Stick to the corporate seats and let the real fans get the tickets for the hill. It probably cost Croke Park money to open the hill for the first semi final and the replay. They only opened the middle section and between both teams this wasn't even close to full.
As for the nonsense about whistles in the hill, as previously pointed out anyone who brings a whistle to a football match is a twat deserves a slap. Hopefully fools like you won't get a ticket and real fans will
Will the real fans recognise St Dermo in two weeks time?
Given the way mayo have been going, there a replay write all over this
Quote from: ballinaman on August 27, 2017, 09:07:00 AM
When will the replay be on ?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 30, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
Given the way mayo have been going, there a replay write all over this
Chalk it down..
When will the ref be announced? McQuillan presumably?
If not, then Lane? Brannigan?
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 30, 2017, 11:05:12 PM
When will the ref be announced? McQuillan presumably?
If not, then Lane? Brannigan?
did you see that f**ker brannigan trying to break up the mayo team talk before the brawn game . kick in the hole would be too good for him
Padraig Hughes or Sean Hurson?
F*** the hill we should take over the davin make it a sea of green n red
One of the great sights of all.ireland final day of old, one support on the hill and the other the old canal end. This mixing on the hill is rubbish, I wish they could just divide it properly. Atmosphere suffers.
The lack of crowd division might be the greatest and most powerful symbol of what the GAA is and why it's special among sporting organisations, both in Ireland and worldwide.
Anyone making any case for segregation is talking utter and complete nonsense.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2017, 07:44:20 PM
One of the great sights of all.ireland final day of old, one support on the hill and the other the old canal end. This mixing on the hill is rubbish, I wish they could just divide it properly. Atmosphere suffers.
But there is no Canal End anymore! If this was the case there would have to be the toss of a coin as to who would get the Hill. Why should Dublin Get Preference?
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2017, 07:46:43 PM
The lack of crowd division might be the greatest and most powerful symbol of what the GAA is and why it's special among sporting organisations, both in Ireland and worldwide.
Anyone making any case for segregation is talking utter and complete nonsense.
+1
I genuinely believe it's important to have a strong presence on the hill, dilutes the dubs support
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 03, 2017, 02:25:52 PM
I genuinely believe it's important to have a strong presence on the hill, dilutes the dubs support
Yes, the first game last year. The Hill had little or no presence. They rectified that the second game.
There's no doubt that the Hill is a much more intimidating place in a semi when it is practically all Dublin - like 2006 was unreal.
Gawd ye talk some shit and why is it everyone around croke park today talks different to ye. Do ye go , do ye represent anyone ? Utter shit talk in here, nobody thinks like ye, I discussed dividing the hill for the football final with several people today and all were agreed .
Have you been on the sauce again Larry?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 04, 2017, 12:33:11 AM
Gawd ye talk some shit and why is it everyone around croke park today talks different to ye. Do ye go , do ye represent anyone ? Utter shit talk in here, nobody thinks like ye, I discussed dividing the hill for the football final with several people today and all were agreed .
Sure it will be divided Larry. The game is won and lost on the pitch though. Remember McDanger kicked that point in 2006 to win into an exclusive Dub hill. Opposition - if they are good enough - can take energy from an atmosphere like that as well. A quietened hill might suck energy from Dubs as well. Dublin in a semi is a much rawer experience than a final when the hill is divided. But it has to be divided for a final for equality.
If anything I have a problem with the ticket allocation, where tickets are distributed nationwide and clubs use them for fundraising by selling lines and raffling them off. Croke Park have no problem with this apparently - even though it is a form of touting imo - because clubs need funds that headquarters don't want to know about.
There was about 40,000 Mayo fans at semi replay and the same for first game. Big numbers in Ennis, Limerick and in CP for Roscommon as well. A lot of these fans haven't a hope of getting a final ticket.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 04, 2017, 12:33:11 AM
Gawd ye talk some shit and why is it everyone around croke park today talks different to ye. Do ye go , do ye represent anyone ? Utter shit talk in here, nobody thinks like ye, I discussed dividing the hill for the football final with several people today and all were agreed .
Sure it will be divided Larry. The game is won and lost on the pitch though. Remember McDanger kicked that point in 2006 to win into an exclusive Dub hill. Opposition - if they are good enough - can take energy from an atmosphere like that as well. A quietened hill might suck energy from Dubs as well. Dublin in a semi is a much rawer experience than a final when the hill is divided. But it has to be divided for a final for equality.
If anything I have a problem with the ticket allocation, where tickets are distributed nationwide and clubs use them for fundraising by selling lines and raffling them off. Croke Park have no problem with this apparently - even though it is a form of touting imo - because clubs need funds that headquarters don't want to know about.
There was about 40,000 Mayo fans at semi replay and the same for first game. Big numbers in Ennis, Limerick and in CP for Roscommon as well. A lot of these fans haven't a hope of getting a final ticket.
It might be for the best if they don't get tickets, Moy.
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2017, 01:32:43 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2017, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 04, 2017, 12:33:11 AM
Gawd ye talk some shit and why is it everyone around croke park today talks different to ye. Do ye go , do ye represent anyone ? Utter shit talk in here, nobody thinks like ye, I discussed dividing the hill for the football final with several people today and all were agreed .
Sure it will be divided Larry. The game is won and lost on the pitch though. Remember McDanger kicked that point in 2006 to win into an exclusive Dub hill. Opposition - if they are good enough - can take energy from an atmosphere like that as well. A quietened hill might suck energy from Dubs as well. Dublin in a semi is a much rawer experience than a final when the hill is divided. But it has to be divided for a final for equality.
If anything I have a problem with the ticket allocation, where tickets are distributed nationwide and clubs use them for fundraising by selling lines and raffling them off. Croke Park have no problem with this apparently - even though it is a form of touting imo - because clubs need funds that headquarters don't want to know about.
There was about 40,000 Mayo fans at semi replay and the same for first game. Big numbers in Ennis, Limerick and in CP for Roscommon as well. A lot of these fans haven't a hope of getting a final ticket.
It might be for the best if they don't get tickets, Moy.
Anyone who doesn't get a ticket, will have a few quid extra for spending when we're celebrating the win
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2017, 12:02:36 AM
There's no doubt that the Hill is a much more intimidating place in a semi when it is practically all Dublin - like 2006 was unreal.
1st thing any mayo' with hill tickets will do is look for a swap with a dub . and the hill will still be 70% dubs
Quote from: Fat Angry Motorist on September 04, 2017, 11:37:22 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on August 31, 2017, 12:44:56 PM
Padraig Hughes or Sean Hurson?
Cillian O'Connor?
What about one of these lads,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHg7SFeDF4 ??
Talk in Cavan is that McQuillan has been told that he has got the final.
Quote from: tommysmith on September 04, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
Talk in Cavan is that McQuillan has been told that he has got the final.
Another positive for the Dubs !!
Quote from: tommysmith on September 04, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
Talk in Cavan is that McQuillan has been told that he has got the final.
I'd heard he got the final, last Wednesday
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/joe-mcquillan-to-referee-all-ireland-football-final-between-dublin-and-mayo-36098867.html
It's one of these maddening situations for aos to be in. He gets walloped and assaulted by Dublin defenders on and off the ball, assault a mayo player and wait for retaliation and then lie down like a coward and wait for the card to be produced.
To get Sam Maguire to Mayo, where it needs to be for a change, all the Mayo players need to stay on the field and play their usual game which dublin have being really struggling to handle.
To cillian, Keegan, Vaughan and Higgins, please don't buy what the dub will try to sell on the pitch, walk away and play your football. Doing that, you are The Director, not the one being directed. You can direct dublin into defeat by not getting upset but laughing at the insults and sledging during the game. Same goes for Mayo sideline, keep it cool, you have to think calmly and not get sent to the bench like the kerry lunatic, it's not good for a player on the field with his hands full, looking at his management going bananas on the sideline, so lead by example. Calm.
Of all the things Mayo need on the big day, staying on the pitch and being in control of their own emotions are the 2 biggest things.
If Mayo Inc. do that, their football and power will do the rest and that big party in Galway on Monday last will look like a tea party in the back garden compared to what would be on show in Castlebar on Monday the 18th.
Quote from: mayoaremagic on September 06, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
It’s one of these maddening situations for aos to be in. He gets walloped and assaulted by Dublin defenders on and off the ball, assault a mayo player and wait for retaliation and then lie down like a coward and wait for the card to be produced.
To get Sam Maguire to Mayo, where it needs to be for a change, all the Mayo players need to stay on the field and play their usual game which dublin have being really struggling to handle.
To cillian, Keegan, Vaughan and Higgins, please don’t buy what the dub will try to sell on the pitch, walk away and play your football. Doing that, you are The Director, not the one being directed. You can direct dublin into defeat by not getting upset but laughing at the insults and sledging during the game. Same goes for Mayo sideline, keep it cool, you have to think calmly and not get sent to the bench like the kerry lunatic, it’s not good for a player on the field with his hands full, looking at his management going bananas on the sideline, so lead by example. Calm.
Of all the things Mayo need on the big day, staying on the pitch and being in control of their own emotions are the 2 biggest things.
If Mayo Inc. do that, their football and power will do the rest and that big party in Galway on Monday last will look like a tea party in the back garden compared to what would be on show in Castlebar on Monday the 18th.
Why do you keep copying the posts of others and try to pass them off as your own?
I posted this on mayoblog and boards.ie as well
Quote from: mayoaremagic on September 06, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
It's one of these maddening situations for aos to be in. He gets walloped and assaulted by Dublin defenders on and off the ball, assault a mayo player and wait for retaliation and then lie down like a coward and wait for the card to be produced.
To get Sam Maguire to Mayo, where it needs to be for a change, all the Mayo players need to stay on the field and play their usual game which dublin have being really struggling to handle.
To cillian, Keegan, Vaughan and Higgins, please don't buy what the dub will try to sell on the pitch, walk away and play your football. Doing that, you are The Director, not the one being directed. You can direct dublin into defeat by not getting upset but laughing at the insults and sledging during the game. Same goes for Mayo sideline, keep it cool, you have to think calmly and not get sent to the bench like the kerry lunatic, it's not good for a player on the field with his hands full, looking at his management going bananas on the sideline, so lead by example. Calm.
Of all the things Mayo need on the big day, staying on the pitch and being in control of their own emotions are the 2 biggest things.
If Mayo Inc. do that, their football and power will do the rest and that big party in Galway on Monday last will look like a tea party in the back garden compared to what would be on show in Castlebar on Monday the 18th.
Call a doctor...
Quote from: straightred on September 06, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: mayoaremagic on September 06, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
It's one of these maddening situations for aos to be in. He gets walloped and assaulted by Dublin defenders on and off the ball, assault a mayo player and wait for retaliation and then lie down like a coward and wait for the card to be produced.
To get Sam Maguire to Mayo, where it needs to be for a change, all the Mayo players need to stay on the field and play their usual game which dublin have being really struggling to handle.
To cillian, Keegan, Vaughan and Higgins, please don't buy what the dub will try to sell on the pitch, walk away and play your football. Doing that, you are The Director, not the one being directed. You can direct dublin into defeat by not getting upset but laughing at the insults and sledging during the game. Same goes for Mayo sideline, keep it cool, you have to think calmly and not get sent to the bench like the kerry lunatic, it's not good for a player on the field with his hands full, looking at his management going bananas on the sideline, so lead by example. Calm.
Of all the things Mayo need on the big day, staying on the pitch and being in control of their own emotions are the 2 biggest things.
If Mayo Inc. do that, their football and power will do the rest and that big party in Galway on Monday last will look like a tea party in the back garden compared to what would be on show in Castlebar on Monday the 18th.
Call a doctor...
ouch .. thats us burned
Quote from: mayoaremagic on September 06, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
I posted this on mayoblog and boards.ie as well
You didn't but someone else did. Spoofer.
If Mayo don't win, the best possible result for the sport is Dublin flaking them. It would mean even the most cross-eyed observer couldn't ignore the imbalance Dublin have created if they win an AI by hammering every single team they faced.
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
If Mayo don't win, the best possible result for the sport is Dublin flaking them. It would mean even the most cross-eyed observer couldn't ignore the imbalance Dublin have created if they win an AI by hammering every single team they faced.
Mayo getting hammered will mean they didn't turn up for the final or got their tactics badly wrong. Every observer including the ones cross-eyed will want to see a close competitive All Ireland final.
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
If Mayo don't win, the best possible result for the sport is Dublin flaking them. It would mean even the most cross-eyed observer couldn't ignore the imbalance Dublin have created if they win an AI by hammering every single team they faced.
You could split us in 6 Syferus. Roscommon will still never beat us
A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday week to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 07, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday fortnight to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
There is no such thing as a low-key AI build up in Mayo. Every time supporters come here trying to potray it as such and come AI week the whole county is drooling at the mouth. Embrace it rather than seeing genuine excitement as a bad thing or a hinderance.
Can't stand the stiff upper lip shite - sport is an escape from real life, not a conduit for it.
Mayo flag up outside the house so?
No he has it up his behind as usual.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 07, 2017, 11:25:00 PM
No he has it up his behind as usual.
The quaility of your posts has really regressed since KMcS made you look foolish in July. Crisis of confidence?
What a nonsensical comment.
K McStay doesn't even know I exist but the team he manages made me very happy in July.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 07, 2017, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 07, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
If Mayo don't win, the best possible result for the sport is Dublin flaking them. It would mean even the most cross-eyed observer couldn't ignore the imbalance Dublin have created if they win an AI by hammering every single team they faced.
Mayo getting hammered will mean they didn't turn up for the final or got their tactics badly wrong. Every observer including the ones cross-eyed will want to see a close competitive All Ireland final.
They might get close and competitive to an extent. For Mayo, the reality is, we've messed up better chances. Including last year. Even though we've put 3 good games together and have been arguably as good as we've been in those games as any since Horan took over. However, there is so much stacked against a Mayo win, you just have to despair. Our kickout strategy and execution is improving but Dublin's is better. Dublin keep possession better and rarely turn over - teams are still guaranteed easy scores from our errors in possession. Likes of Fenton and Kilkenny can slow down and dictate things when needed - we can't. That's before you look at cavalry off the bench. There is a 5-10 point swing there.
I was optimistic about Kerry (not confident) and gave us a 50/50 chance - all going well. which it didn't but we got there. I'm only hopeful here. Maybe 20/80 or even 10/90.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 07, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday fortnight to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
Fearonesque error there...
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 07, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday fortnight to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
Maybe Del Amitri could pen one for yis with a similar theme to this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJAf2PXwS8
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 08, 2017, 06:15:10 AM
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 07, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday fortnight to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
Maybe Del Amitri could pen one for yis with a similar theme to this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJAf2PXwS8
Had a good laugh at that one, how bad were Scotland in '98 to warrant such negativity in the run up to a world cup?
I always look forward to all Ireland final day but I really can't be bothered this year. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come. Things have gone a bit stale with the Dubs and to a lesser extent mayo.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
I always look forward to all Ireland final day but I really can't be bothered this year.
Same here. The excitement has gone out of it.
Don't know when I last watched a full Dublin game on TV apart from their 4 jousts with Mayowestros over the last 2 years.
Sad when I want a Rhubarb win to save football.
Quote from: An Watcher on September 08, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
I always look forward to all Ireland final day but I really can't be bothered this year. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come. Things have gone a bit stale with the Dubs and to a lesser extent mayo.
Yep, the contrast with the hurling final pairing is stark. I dislike the Mayo footballers anyway but at this stage am just fed up of them more than anything.
it is hard to argue against Dublin being favourites. Undefeated in championship football since 2014, their form, their standard of play and that they appear to be playing better at this stage compared to this time last year all stacks in their our favour. Our form from losing to Galway to the draw against Roscommon could best be described as schizophrenic and in no way looking like we'd get to a final. However the performances since have been impressive, essentially we got three consistent 70 minute performances playing to a high standard. Credit has to go to the management and players for finding and sustaining that momentum.
While all the focus has been on Dublin's kick outs, their options all over the pitch and off the bench which they definitely have an edge on us, what stands out for me is their execution of basic skills. There's a lot of moaning out there about Dublin' s possession game, Killkenny's lateral movement and passing etc but you have to admire the slickness of Dublin's handpassing, the quick hands, the weight, pace and accuracy of the pass. The receiver is always able to to come onto it at full tilt, rarely if ever having to adjust his run or body to take it. On the other hand, on more than one occasion in every match this year we've played passes that put pressure on the receiver, forcing the receiver to check his run, to stretch over his head, reach behind him or take the ball off his bootlaces. It's kills momuntum from the attack and it's a missed opportunity, worst case it's a turnover and we're on the back foot. It's something we seem to do every game and is a definite weakness.
I'd still see two reasons to give some hope. Firstly is Kildare's performance in the Leinster final. While it seems I might be grabbing at straws, the fact is that Kildare did not set up defensively, played football moving the ball at pace, created opportunities and put up a decent score. Second is the fact that Dublin have played their last two matches against northern teams who went completely defensive and stood off Dublin, allowing them time and space on the ball a lot of the time. Both matches were won a long way out and while that reflects on the quality of this Dublin team, the question can still be asked are Dublin coming into this final untested now? I know Dublin supporters who, while confident, would've preferred a tougher semi final than what they got. Mayo will play completely differently to both Monaghan and Tyrone, while Dublin are justified favourites it's fair to say they won't have it as comfortable as they had in their last two matches.
Quote from: bucko on September 08, 2017, 12:08:40 PM
it is hard to argue against Dublin being favourites. Undefeated in championship football since 2014, their form, their standard of play and that they appear to be playing better at this stage compared to this time last year all stacks in their our favour. Our form from losing to Galway to the draw against Roscommon could best be described as schizophrenic and in no way looking like we'd get to a final. However the performances since have been impressive, essentially we got three consistent 70 minute performances playing to a high standard. Credit has to go to the management and players for finding and sustaining that momentum.
While all the focus has been on Dublin's kick outs, their options all over the pitch and off the bench which they definitely have an edge on us, what stands out for me is their execution of basic skills. There's a lot of moaning out there about Dublin' s possession game, Killkenny's lateral movement and passing etc but you have to admire the slickness of Dublin's handpassing, the quick hands, the weight, pace and accuracy of the pass. The receiver is always able to to come onto it at full tilt, rarely if ever having to adjust his run or body to take it. On the other hand, on more than one occasion in every match this year we've played passes that put pressure on the receiver, forcing the receiver to check his run, to stretch over his head, reach behind him or take the ball off his bootlaces. It's kills momuntum from the attack and it's a missed opportunity, worst case it's a turnover and we're on the back foot. It's something we seem to do every game and is a definite weakness.
I'd still see two reasons to give some hope. Firstly is Kildare's performance in the Leinster final. While it seems I might be grabbing at straws, the fact is that Kildare did not set up defensively, played football moving the ball at pace, created opportunities and put up a decent score. Second is the fact that Dublin have played their last two matches against northern teams who went completely defensive and stood off Dublin, allowing them time and space on the ball a lot of the time. Both matches were won a long way out and while that reflects on the quality of this Dublin team, the question can still be asked are Dublin coming into this final untested now? I know Dublin supporters who, while confident, would've preferred a tougher semi final than what they got. Mayo will play completely differently to both Monaghan and Tyrone, while Dublin are justified favourites it's fair to say they won't have it as comfortable as they had in their last two matches.
No disrespect to Kildare but I dont think you can take anything from that game. Dublin seem to have timed their run this year and they were barely up to speed that day. They got a couple of early goals and the game was effectively over. They had no intensity in defence and that allowed Kildare to run up a score. Kildare's subsequent defeat to Armagh and their hammering by tyrone backs this up. Dublin upped it against Monaghan and then again against Tyrone. You can say that they would have liked a tougher match up to now but I simply think that they so far ahead the moment that this isn't possible (unless Dublin have a off day). Mayo will approach it differently but I can't see any other outcome than a 5 plus point victory for Dublin. That is not dissing Mayo bur rather simply recognising that this is a seriously good Dublin team.
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it is hard to argue against Dublin being favourites. Undefeated in championship football since 2014, their form, their standard of play and that they appear to be playing better at this stage compared to this time last year all stacks in their our favour. Our form from losing to Galway to the draw against Roscommon could best be described as schizophrenic and in no way looking like we'd get to a final. However the performances since have been impressive, essentially we got three consistent 70 minute performances playing to a high standard. Credit has to go to the management and players for finding and sustaining that momentum.
While all the focus has been on Dublin's kick outs, their options all over the pitch and off the bench which they definitely have an edge on us, what stands out for me is their execution of basic skills. There's a lot of moaning out there about Dublin' s possession game, Killkenny's lateral movement and passing etc but you have to admire the slickness of Dublin's handpassing, the quick hands, the weight, pace and accuracy of the pass. The receiver is always able to to come onto it at full tilt, rarely if ever having to adjust his run or body to take it. On the other hand, on more than one occasion in every match this year we've played passes that put pressure on the receiver, forcing the receiver to check his run, to stretch over his head, reach behind him or take the ball off his bootlaces. It's kills momuntum from the attack and it's a missed opportunity, worst case it's a turnover and we're on the back foot. It's something we seem to do every game and is a definite weakness.
I'd still see two reasons to give some hope. Firstly is Kildare's performance in the Leinster final. While it seems I might be grabbing at straws, the fact is that Kildare did not set up defensively, played football moving the ball at pace, created opportunities and put up a decent score. Second is the fact that Dublin have played their last two matches against northern teams who went completely defensive and stood off Dublin, allowing them time and space on the ball a lot of the time. Both matches were won a long way out and while that reflects on the quality of this Dublin team, the question can still be asked are Dublin coming into this final untested now? I know Dublin supporters who, while confident, would've preferred a tougher semi final than what they got. Mayo will play completely differently to both Monaghan and Tyrone, while Dublin are justified favourites it's fair to say they won't have it as comfortable as they had in their last two matches.
No disrespect to Kildare but I dont think you can take anything from that game. Dublin seem to have timed their run this year and they were barely up to speed that day. They got a couple of early goals and the game was effectively over. They had no intensity in defence and that allowed Kildare to run up a score. Kildare's subsequent defeat to Armagh and their hammering by tyrone backs this up. Dublin upped it against Monaghan and then again against Tyrone. You can say that they would have liked a tougher match up to now but I simply think that they so far ahead the moment that this isn't possible (unless Dublin have a off day). Mayo will approach it differently but I can't see any other outcome than a 5 plus point victory for Dublin. That is not dissing Mayo bur rather simply recognising that this is a seriously good Dublin team.
Kildare had a good spell early in the second half of that match with a saved goal chance that would've made it a three point game. I'm not saying Kildare could've have gone on and won it but on the day Dublin's back six didn't look impenetrable when being played by a more attack minded game. I'd agree about Dublin not being at full tilt that day, but in late July they're not going to be that far off it either. The main point is that the Dublin defence have played a lot of football over the last two games on the front foot, they may well have to adapt to something different Sunday week.
This Dublin team are finished. Too much king of the hill carry on and advertising face creams.
We will show them soon what real men are made of.
This is our year, I'm certain of it.
Quote from: highorlow on September 08, 2017, 09:39:47 PM
This Dublin team are finished. Too much king of the hill carry on and advertising face creams.
We will show them soon what real men are made of.
This is our year, I'm certain of it.
Aye, they are gone too soft entirely. Getting their lunch sandwiches delivered by helicopter!
Well, that's what a rare oul' Dub told me the other night and who would I be to doubt his word?
(Mind you, he had spent his day, alternating between a bookie slip and a bar stool, as per usual.)
The Dubs are fairly hurt over the hurling. It's not long ago they were batein Galway.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
The Dubs are fairly hurt over the hurling. It's not long ago they were batein Galway.
Rumours flying around that Pat Gilroy to be given the hurling job to try and do with the hurlers what he did with the footballers (apparently he never hurled passed minor). And Diarmuid Connolly to throw his lot in with the hurlers next year which is why Jim Gavin gave him so little time in the semi...
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A very low key build up so far. Heard some head case on MWR giving out that there's not enough flags or fanfare going on, he either has a very short memory or has gone insane. Was saying there's not enough song's, well I nominate this song as our anthem for the final.......
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Ae-LhMIG0
Tomás Ó Sé commented on the Sunday Game that our players were ravenous against Kerry. Well they'll have to play like starved, haven't eaten in months, raving lunatic animals on Sunday fortnight to beat the Dubs, and I think they will. Fingers crossed.
Maybe Del Amitri could pen one for yis with a similar theme to this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJAf2PXwS8
Had a good laugh at that one, how bad were Scotland in '98 to warrant such negativity in the run up to a world cup?
They were actually alright it was more their history of going out in the first round think it was the last 5 or something they had done that.
An unfortunate Tom Boyd OG in the opening game with a draw within their grasp agin Brazil looked promising but it all ended with a hammering by Morroco to restore familiarity.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
The Dubs are fairly hurt over the hurling. It's not long ago they were batein Galway.
Rumours flying around that Pat Gilroy to be given the hurling job to try and do with the hurlers what he did with the footballers (apparently he never hurled passed minor). And Diarmuid Connolly to throw his lot in with the hurlers next year which is why Jim Gavin gave him so little time in the semi...
Some people must have learnt nothing from the Mayweather v McGregor fight.
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Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
The Dubs are fairly hurt over the hurling. It's not long ago they were batein Galway.
Rumours flying around that Pat Gilroy to be given the hurling job to try and do with the hurlers what he did with the footballers (apparently he never hurled passed minor). And Diarmuid Connolly to throw his lot in with the hurlers next year which is why Jim Gavin gave him so little time in the semi...
Some people must have learnt nothing from the Mayweather v McGregor fight.
Tbf I think McGregors attempt at boxing was better than Dublin attempt at hurling
Very low key down here in Mayo! Most resigned in Public to another defeat to Dublin on their home turf! God be with the days of the Hype before a final!
At least ye won't be too disappointed so. :D
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
Very low key down here in Mayo! Most resigned in Public to another defeat to Dublin on their home turf! God be with the days of the Hype before a final!
No sense them.travelling so , could always give me the ticket rather than wasting it. Absolute bonkers if.you dont think we will win it this time and with a bit to spare too. Nothing will stop Mayo now , ive never been as convinced . It will be a glorious day for GAA and Mayo. Hard to believe after all these years and im not going to be there when basically the dream ive had all.my life comes true. Cillian will lift the cup.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
Very low key down here in Mayo! Most resigned in Public to another defeat to Dublin on their home turf! God be with the days of the Hype before a final!
Ah weve had too much hype followed by dissapointment, better for lowkey followed by an almighty surprise
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 09, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
Very low key down here in Mayo! Most resigned in Public to another defeat to Dublin on their home turf! God be with the days of the Hype before a final!
Ah weve had too much hype followed by dissapointment, better for lowkey followed by an almighty surprise
Nah. Hype had nothing got to do with losing those AIs in the past. Similarly, no hype this time will have nothing to do with losing this one.
The last hyped final was 2004 afair.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 09, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
??
What happened?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 09, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
??
What happened?
Logistics apparently. Its no bloody wonder castlebar is a town in.decline. its such a homely provincial town , its sad to see it lagging behind . Even for games now the town is not near as lively as it used to be .
Hopefully yer man Sam Maguire will rejuvenate the whole town.
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 09, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
??
What happened?
Logistics apparently. Its no bloody wonder castlebar is a town in.decline. its such a homely provincial town , its sad to see it lagging behind . Even for games now the town is not near as lively as it used to be .
Hopefully yer man Sam Maguire will rejuvenate the whole town.
Don't get it? What in The Mall was cancelled?
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Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 09, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
??
What happened?
Logistics apparently. Its no bloody wonder castlebar is a town in.decline. its such a homely provincial town , its sad to see it lagging behind . Even for games now the town is not near as lively as it used to be .
Hopefully yer man Sam Maguire will rejuvenate the whole town.
Don't get it? What in The Mall was cancelled?
They were supposed to be putting up a big screen to show the final but it has now been cancelled for some reason.
Fear of rowdyism? :)
Insurance I suspect.
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Fear of rowdyism? :)
Insurance I suspect.
Yeah, who the f**k would insure a Mayo team?
Does anyone seriously think Mayo, (who struggled past Derry,Roscommon and a mediocre Kerry team) have a snowball's chance in hell? Dublin -3 at 10/11 looks like a licence to print money, to me
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 06:07:41 AM
Does anyone seriously think Mayo, (who struggled past Derry,Roscommon and a mediocre Kerry team) have a snowball's chance in hell? Dublin -3 at 10/11 looks like a licence to print money, to me
Have you already forgotten about last year when Dublin only fell over the line after a replay against a Mayo side that weren't in great form going into that final. Kerry in 2009 struggled past Longford,Sligo,Antrim before winning the AI.
Yes.But I think Dublin are now the equivalent of Guardiola's Barcelona,simply unbeatable,a play station team almost.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 06:07:41 AM
Does anyone seriously think Mayo, (who struggled past Derry,Roscommon and a mediocre Kerry team) have a snowball's chance in hell? Dublin -3 at 10/11 looks like a licence to print money, to me
Of course they have a chance.
Dubs are rightly favourites but Mayo have shown before that physically and athletically they are able to match up with them quite well - without actually getting over the line yet obviously.
There won't be much in this game.
Mayo never get a hiding.
I know Dublin beat them by 7 in the end in the 2015 semi final replay but that wasn't your typical 7 point defeat either with Mayo 4 up with 15 to go.
I can't wait for it.
I would be surprised if it wasn't another great game.
Galwayman,they were saying everything you said in that about Dublin V Tyrone.An ageing Mayo team,with huge psychological baggage has no chance,it's just wishful thinking from Mayo fans and all neutrals.I'll stick with the bookmakers assessments.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
Galwayman,they were saying everything you said in that about Dublin V Tyrone.An ageing Mayo team,with huge psychological baggage has no chance,it's just wishful thinking from Mayo fans and all neutrals.I'll stick with the bookmakers assessments.
Psychological baggage is an interesting one, do you think if we had of won one in these last few years we would have a better chance in next sundays showdown?
These bucks are like demons , they have no hang ups , they will literally tear into Dublin and will not let up . Firmly believe we are going to win this one. Dublin have not broke sweat yet and no matter what people say that is not a good thing going into a final.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 07:46:07 AM
Yes.But I think Dublin are now the equivalent of Guardiola's Barcelona,simply unbeatable,a play station team almost.
Correct and they will beat Mayo by eight or more, probably closer to twelve, I hope I am wrong but this Dublin team are incredible.
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
An Béal bocht is a play by Myles na Gcopailin
I expect Mayo to set up like this on Sunday
https://youtu.be/fCVOusytfHw
And Sam to be ag dul.Siar de Luain
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
An Béal bocht is a play by Myles na Gcopailin
Níl, is úrséal aorach íontach é leis an scríobneoir Brian Ó Nualláin aka Myles na Gcopailin aka Flann O'Brien!
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Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
An Béal bocht is a play by Myles na Gcopailin
Níl, is úrséal aorach íontach é leis an scríobneoir Brian Ó Nualláin aka Myles na Gcopailin aka Flann O'Brien!
Tyrone used to be creative
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Quote from: Crete Boom on September 10, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
An Béal bocht is a play by Myles na Gcopailin
Níl, is úrséal aorach íontach é leis an scríobneoir Brian Ó Nualláin aka Myles na Gcopailin aka Flann O'Brien!
Tyrone used to be creative
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 10, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 10, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 10, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Ah, it's a big ask! Mayo lost this year 1-16 - 0-07 in the League away to Dublin in Croke Park. I mean Tyrone the second best team in Ireland with the best defensive system could only watch in awe at the Dublin machine. This has been a big effort by us to try to finally get the Holy Grail! It's tough to take being so near and not achieving our goal with such a great group of players.
The general feeling has been for a few years, that when the Mayo, Donegal and Kerry groups of the last couple of years faded. The Top table would be left to a well financed Dublin on their own.
It looks like 3 in a row for sure. Looking to next year! Mayo beaten again, will hardly put up much of a fight. I mean how many times can one go to the well? Kerry have fallen back. Tyrone are still lost in a myriad of Defensive systems. You'd have to fancy this Dublin team to add two more and do 5 in a row!
An Béal bocht is a play by Myles na Gcopailin
Níl, is úrséal aorach íontach é leis an scríobneoir Brian Ó Nualláin aka Myles na Gcopailin aka Flann O'Brien!
Hoi, leave us out of it. Ach go n-éirí an bóthar libhse! ;)
Agus Myles na gCopaleen is ainm dó, fadó :)
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
Galwayman,they were saying everything you said in that about Dublin V Tyrone.An ageing Mayo team,with huge psychological baggage has no chance,it's just wishful thinking from Mayo fans and all neutrals.I'll stick with the bookmakers assessments.
Are you sticking with the bookmakers' assessment or are you saying mayo have no chance? PP expect Dublin to win by slightly more than 3 points. They're giving Dublin ~74% chance of winning and mayo 26%. Hardly no hopers at that
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
You don't win many PotYs being subbed out at 50 minutes.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 09:52:07 AM
Galwayman,they were saying everything you said in that about Dublin V Tyrone.An ageing Mayo team,with huge psychological baggage has no chance,it's just wishful thinking from Mayo fans and all neutrals.I'll stick with the bookmakers assessments.
No - read it again.
I said Mayo have shown over several championship games that they are able to match Dublin physically and athletically for the most part & have consequently been extremely close to them.
Tyrone never showed that in c'ship against this Dublin team.
They hadn't played against the Jim Gavin managed Dubs before the semi final this year.
Yes,I see the logic in that.On the other hand,Mayo could have been beaten by Derry,Roscommon or Kerry this year,couldn't beat Dublin on two off days last year.
I do not see any weakness in this Dublin team,and barring they have a freak collective nightmare,I cannot see Mayo getting anywhere close to them.
I'd like to see Durcan starting at wing forward to mark Mccaffrey, I think he's a key part of setting up Dublin attacks and Durcan is the only man with the pace to match him. That would mean either DOC dropping to the bench or him potentially going to MF to mark Mccarthy in place of SOS but that's probably unlikely
Jim Gavin's comments straight after the Tyrone match were a giveaway. He said that they never performed in last years AI final.....yet still won it. I think he expects to win this one comfortably if Dublin perform to their level. In fairness most people do as well but it's not often Gavin gives anything away.
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
The way the pitch is ringed by security and formation of seats is near impossible to invade. Was at the hurling final, was no doubt about the emotion of the Galway supporters...
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
Ive been planning to for every final since 2012, was literally at the gate at the end of the drawn final last year. If mayo win they can try and bleddy stop me
I would never,ever place cash on Mayo to win a senior All Ireland final but with Fearon now giving Dublin the kiss of death i am very tempted to put money on Mayo to win this final.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Did you see what it meant to the Roscommon players in Salthill being lifted shoulder high by the supporters? Probably one of the indelible images of summer 2017. Moments like that are primal, and are the very essence of what the GAA is - it's not just about the team or the management, it's about the community they come from that that supports them too. In those moments everyone is one big family.
Ye robbed yer county of an even greater moment by not invading the pitch, but honestly no one was surprised that Galway supporters wouldn't do it. For all their flaws I doubt Mayo supporters would make the same mistake.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
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Agree. Players need a bit of space to celebrate etc.
Let the buckleppin yahoos in 10 minutes later if necessary.
Most of the pitch invaders were ever at a NFL game in their lives
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
All well and good and understandable in the euphoria of victory but is it worth the risk of serious injury to even one person. There is a safety reason for the ban on pitch invasions.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Did you see what it meant to the Roscommon players in Salthill being lifted shoulder high by the supporters? Probably one of the indelible images of summer 2017. Moments like that are primal, and are the very essence of what the GAA is - it's not just about the team or the management, it's about the community they come from that that supports them too. In those moments everyone is one big family.
Ye robbed yer county of an even greater moment by not invading the pitch, but honestly no one was surprised that Galway supporters wouldn't do it. For all their flaws I doubt Mayo supporters would make the same mistake.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Don't agree with that at all. It's all part of the gradual sanitisation of society to make us conform. This article by Danny Hughes sums up how I feel about it.
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/2017/09/06/news/danny-hughes-let-gaa-players-share-the-glory-with-their-people-on-the-hallowed-croke-park-pitch-1129026/
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2017, 02:48:42 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
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Agree. Players need a bit of space to celebrate etc.
Let the buckleppin yahoos in 10 minutes later if necessary.
Most of the pitch invaders were ever at a NFL game in their lives
do you want to restrict the final to those who go to NFL games . There would be about 35000 there sunday and thats only because its mayo Dublin . if it was Kerry tyrone the crowd would be closer to 15K
come on come all
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Did you see what it meant to the Roscommon players in Salthill being lifted shoulder high by the supporters? Probably one of the indelible images of summer 2017. Moments like that are primal, and are the very essence of what the GAA is - it's not just about the team or the management, it's about the community they come from that that supports them too. In those moments everyone is one big family.
Ye robbed yer county of an even greater moment by not invading the pitch, but honestly no one was surprised that Galway supporters wouldn't do it. For all their flaws I doubt Mayo supporters would make the same mistake.
Syf please explain on the back of a fag packet what is inherently Galway about not invading the pitch. Something to do with notions of manliness , I presume. Softness maybe. Too many shopping centres.
The indelible image for me of the summer was scaoil amach an bobailin at 4.55 pm on Sunday 3 Sept
You probably don't even know what it means. It means primus inter pares. All Ireland senior champions. Not candy ass provincial quarter final cannon fodder.
Lil Louis might be before your time a maneen
https://youtu.be/3Y8w2W1uy2A
So it's a given then that Mayowestros will win and the only issue to be resolved is can they be proper Champions if the buckleppin yahoo element of their support don't invade the pitch and disrupt the presentation.
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Did you see what it meant to the Roscommon players in Salthill being lifted shoulder high by the supporters? Probably one of the indelible images of summer 2017. Moments like that are primal, and are the very essence of what the GAA is - it's not just about the team or the management, it's about the community they come from that that supports them too. In those moments everyone is one big family.
Ye robbed yer county of an even greater moment by not invading the pitch, but honestly no one was surprised that Galway supporters wouldn't do it. For all their flaws I doubt Mayo supporters would make the same mistake.
All very valid points, Syf and I know many others would feel the same way as you but the reality is that the GAA must move with the times. Compensationitis is endemic in our society and the loolas who charge onto the field without regard for life or limb will be the first ones to contact a solicitor if they receive a knock or get discommoded in any way.
At the time the pitch invasions were outlawed, the GAA announced that the ban was being introduced for legal reasons. My take on it is that if you charge onto the pitch like a runaway bull you do so at your own peril.
It would be bad enough getting injured in the mad melee but being sued by a fellow laitcheko for damages, real or imagined, caused by your exuberance is very possible.
With regard to Mayo supporters "making the same mistake," my feeling is that, since we've waited so long to win the damn Sam, I would be happy to wait a few days longer to congratulate the players, preferably back in Mayo.
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 10, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
I'd like to see Durcan starting at wing forward to mark Mccaffrey, I think he's a key part of setting up Dublin attacks and Durcan is the only man with the pace to match him. That would mean either DOC dropping to the bench or him potentially going to MF to mark Mccarthy in place of SOS but that's probably unlikely
I would guess that careful consideration is being given to whether to retain both DOC and SOS in the starting line-up.
Diarmuid has been a bit hit and miss this year, but you'd have to imagine he'd make a massive impact off the bench.
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Was it an insurance or a cultural decision?
Did insurance premiums go up? If so, why ?
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Was it an insurance or a cultural decision?
Did insurance premiums go up? If so, why ?
It was an insurance/health & safety decision. In such a litigious country as Ireland were people seem to look for any excuse to sue it was only a matter of time before a claim would be made. I remember a spokesman for Croke Park when the pitch invasions were banned revealing that they once got a cleaning bill from a woman in Tyrone who slipped on the grass after running on to the pitch. ::) ::) ::)
I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
Is invading a pitch an ideal?
Quote from: dublin7 on September 11, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
Yeah, I was very much against the banning of the pitch invasion to celebrate success. But I'm completely on the other side now. A proper lap of honour is far better. It allows the players to savour the victory and the fans to applaud and sing as they do so.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
Not in Croker or an all Ireland final but it has happened.
https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/personal-injury-claims-after-limerick-pitch-invasion-253261.html
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
Is invading a pitch an ideal?
It's emotion.
The ceremony now is the purest shite
The music is atrocious
Corporate blandness at the heart of Irish sporting emotion.
The history of insanity intruding on the sane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8JI9R5Suo
It is an abomination
the commercial director is a total flute
Quote from: dublin7 on September 11, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 01:26:19 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Was it an insurance or a cultural decision?
Did insurance premiums go up? If so, why ?
It was an insurance/health & safety decision. In such a litigious country as Ireland were people seem to look for any excuse to sue it was only a matter of time before a claim would be made. I remember a spokesman for Croke Park when the pitch invasions were banned revealing that they once got a cleaning bill from a woman in Tyrone who slipped on the grass after running on to the pitch. ::) ::) ::)
I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
I think a big fea ture of the corporate GAA is the contempt the suits have for the Punters. The sky deal is another. Whichever teacher was top dog in 2012 said anyone objecting was a moaner that could not be pleased.
I think Croke Park is a liability at this stage. . IT is expensive to run and they don't mind running a coach and horses through customary practice.
72-page AI final supplement in the Western People today. Lolol-key build-up it is, as usual.
cant blame commercial media sell advertising space on the big event of the year in fairness
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 11:46:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2017, 02:23:49 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 11, 2017, 02:03:33 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
I was against the pitch invasion ban at first but I actually think it's much better for the players now that they are not mauled by bucklepping yahoos straight after the final whistle so can enjoy it amongst each other, the backroom staff and their families.
Did you see what it meant to the Roscommon players in Salthill being lifted shoulder high by the supporters? Probably one of the indelible images of summer 2017. Moments like that are primal, and are the very essence of what the GAA is - it's not just about the team or the management, it's about the community they come from that that supports them too. In those moments everyone is one big family.
Ye robbed yer county of an even greater moment by not invading the pitch, but honestly no one was surprised that Galway supporters wouldn't do it. For all their flaws I doubt Mayo supporters would make the same mistake.
All very valid points, Syf and I know many others would feel the same way as you but the reality is that the GAA must move with the times. Compensationitis is endemic in our society and the loolas who charge onto the field without regard for life or limb will be the first ones to contact a solicitor if they receive a knock or get discommoded in any way.
At the time the pitch invasions were outlawed, the GAA announced that the ban was being introduced for legal reasons. My take on it is that if you charge onto the pitch like a runaway bull you do so at your own peril.
It would be bad enough getting injured in the mad melee but being sued by a fellow laitcheko for damages, real or imagined, caused by your exuberance is very possible.
With regard to Mayo supporters "making the same mistake," my feeling is that, since we've waited so long to win the damn Sam, I would be happy to wait a few days longer to congratulate the players, preferably back in Mayo.
I'd prefer to use the word celebration than invasion and pitch celebrations have only been outlawed in Croke Park. At the weekend Limerick supporters ran onto field as their hurlers won the U21 All Ireland those scenes are much better to view and be involved with than the current muted celebrations in Croke park.
As for compensations,health and safety etc Croke park had concerts this summer where fans were allowed onto the field and you were as likely to get injured at those concerts as running onto the pitch after All Ireland final.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 09, 2017, 08:36:50 PM
Seen as the thing in cbar mall got cancelled i think they should show the game in mchale park
It's back on now. Fair play to the businessses that got involved. Elverys, McGraths waste, Staunton's pharmacy, Shaws and multi-colour printing
Well done.
By the way what's with Abbeylara GAA Club sticking Good luck Mayo signs along the N4 round Longford?
Some of David Drakes people are from Abbeylara. His aul lad, Noel, played for Longford.
Quote from: highorlow on September 11, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Some of David Drakes people are from Abbeylara. His aul lad, Noel, played for Longford.
Half the towns on the N4 wishes team X well for a big game, though. It's nothing special, and a tiny bit desperate.
Quote from: Syferus on September 11, 2017, 08:19:34 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 11, 2017, 07:40:04 PM
Some of David Drakes people are from Abbeylara. His aul lad, Noel, played for Longford.
Half the town on the N4 wishes team X well for a big game, though. It's nothing special, and a tiny bit desperate.
Almost as desperate as them knowing everything that goes on in the county when they're from a different county
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2017, 02:42:28 PM
Is invading a pitch an ideal?
It's emotion.
The ceremony now is the purest shite
The music is atrocious
Corporate blandness at the heart of Irish sporting emotion.
The history of insanity intruding on the sane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8JI9R5Suo
It is an abomination
the commercial director is a total flute
Yep, the way Croke Park has gone since 2009 is a terrible sight but not surprising when you consider where the GAA (or more accurately its top brass) have gone in the same time, and the same spivs playing a major part in both. I don't enjoy the whole "Croke Park experience" much any more, it's just soulless and mercenary nowadays, not to mention the tickertape and fireworks nonsense when Sam or Liam is presented, and as for the bloody music....the moment that enscapulated it for me was at the 2015 club finals (the one Corofin won anyway be it 14 or 15), when in the minute or so between the end of Amhran na bhFiann and the throw-in they insisted in blaring out some inane song, utter madness.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
Ah now, don't shoot the messenger. I'm only passing on the message. ;D
As dublin 7 put it, it was an insurance/health & safety decision taken by the authorities to prevent injuries, I suppose, but also to avoid the danger of being sued for personal injuries and the likes.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 11, 2017, 07:10:29 PM
Well done.
By the way what's with Abbeylara GAA Club sticking Good luck Mayo signs along the N4 round Longford?
Noticed that alright on the way up last night, no end of signs and flags all the way through Longford, fair play to them.
Up the Larries
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
You've walked straight into the old Stewart Lee joke about people confusing political correctness with health and safety.
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 11, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
Yeah, I was very much against the banning of the pitch invasion to celebrate success. But I'm completely on the other side now. A proper lap of honour is far better. It allows the players to savour the victory and the fans to applaud and sing as they do so.
You just can't beat the age-old GAA traditions of gaudy gold tinsel dropping limply from the roof of the Hogan Stand, The Script's "The World's Gonna Know Your Name" blasting out over the public address system 0.7 seconds after the final whistle, plastic orange wire mesh (blue this year, plus ca change) being held up by the stewards to prevent the savage masses from entering the playing area, and, most importantly, the traditional playing of "Tonight's Gonna Be A Good Night" by The Black Eyed Peas as the cup is lifted.
Truly, part of what we are.
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
The way the pitch is ringed by security and formation of seats is near impossible to invade. Was at the hurling final, was no doubt about the emotion of the Galway supporters...
Saw a few Galway fans trying to break through the ring of stewards who were holding up a makeshift fence and the few lads were aggressively pushed back. It would take a fairly serious effort to get on I think. The stewards were plentiful, organised and weren't messing. I agree that it's sad to see things being increasingly sanitised. The post match celebrations were obviously fantastic for the players but as a fan it personally felt a bit anti-climactic without the pitch invasion.
They should have played The west's awake by lumiere. I'd usually change the station if galway girl comes on. Galway girl x 2 was unnecessary though the drunken kids on the Hill seemed to enjoy it.
Amen Sid.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 11, 2017, 11:26:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 11, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 11, 2017, 02:12:45 PM
I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
Yeah, I was very much against the banning of the pitch invasion to celebrate success. But I'm completely on the other side now. A proper lap of honour is far better. It allows the players to savour the victory and the fans to applaud and sing as they do so.
You just can't beat the age-old GAA traditions of gaudy gold tinsel dropping limply from the roof of the Hogan Stand, The Script's "The World's Gonna Know Your Name" blasting out over the public address system 0.7 seconds after the final whistle, plastic orange wire mesh (blue this year, plus ca change) being held up by the stewards to prevent the savage masses from entering the Sky / Ticketmaster playing area, and, most importantly, the traditional playing of "Tonight's Gonna Be A Good Night" by The Black Eyed Peas as the cup is lifted.
Truly, part of what we are.
8)
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 11, 2017, 11:59:03 PM
Quote from: longballin on September 10, 2017, 11:09:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 10, 2017, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Mayo by 2 followed by a huge pitch invasion! Should be some battle at HQ. Colm Boyle MotM and wins PotY!
If Mayo win it and DONT invade the pitch following an outpouring of emotion it will be a sad day for the GAA. Couldn't believe the sanity of the Galway fans in the hurling final.
The way the pitch is ringed by security and formation of seats is near impossible to invade. Was at the hurling final, was no doubt about the emotion of the Galway supporters...
Saw a few Galway fans trying to break through the ring of stewards who were holding up a makeshift fence and the few lads were aggressively pushed back. It would take a fairly serious effort to get on I think. The stewards were plentiful, organised and weren't messing. I agree that it's sad to see things being increasingly sanitised. The post match celebrations were obviously fantastic for the players but as a fan it personally felt a bit anti-climactic without the pitch invasion.
They should have played The west's awake by lumiere. I'd usually change the station if galway girl comes on. Galway girl x 2 was unnecessary though the drunken kids on the Hill seemed to enjoy it.
but mayo have a secret weapon for getting onto the pitch
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-this-could-finally-be-mayo-s-time-1.3217332?mode=amp
Compare this to Brollys shite yesterday, night and day. Great read from McGuinness
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 12, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-this-could-finally-be-mayo-s-time-1.3217332?mode=amp
Compare this to Brollys shite yesterday, night and day. Great read from McGuinness
McGuinness an intelligent observer with insightful views. Brolly attention seeker and a spoofer
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 12, 2017, 12:00:36 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-this-could-finally-be-mayo-s-time-1.3217332?mode=amp
Compare this to Brollys shite yesterday, night and day. Great read from McGuinness
So by his reckoning even if everything goes right for Mayo and they get all the decisions and tactics right and if Dublin turn up and play well, its a Dublin win.
A Mayo win is dependent on them getting everything correct on the day and Dublin not getting their 'A' game going.
Hardly rocket science that analysis.
Any link to Brolly's piece?
Remember, he told us that their All-Ireland dream was over before their first qualifier game.
At the age of 31 I'm going to my first all Ireland on Sunday, cant wait. Made a pact after missing out on tickets in 02 that would only go to one if Derry were in final (minor or senior) and missed out because of work in 07.
I have watched the two finals last year again and the definite conclusion is that Dublin were lucky in both games. Mayo 100% have their number if they perform to the levels that they can. I think people are blinkered by the two in a row. As I said before the quarter finals Mayo are the only team who have put it up to Dublin in the last two years. At 5/2 they are great value.
Derry will be up against it in the Minors but they are a very well organised team with good players all over the park, a strong bench and a manager who is very good at managing a game. Hope they can stop Kerry this year and bring the Tom Markham cup home for the first time since 2002.
An interesting fact, as far as I am aware Ben McCarron on the Derry Minors is cousins with Conor Loftus, both grand children of former GAA president Mick Loftus. I'm open to correction there but pretty confident on that one.
Quote from: TheOptimist on September 12, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
At the age of 31 I'm going to my first all Ireland on Sunday, cant wait. Made a pact after missing out on tickets in 02 that would only go to one if Derry were in final (minor or senior) and missed out because of work in 07.
I have watched the two finals last year again and the definite conclusion is that Dublin were lucky in both games. Mayo 100% have their number if they perform to the levels that they can. I think people are blinkered by the two in a row. As I said before the quarter finals Mayo are the only team who have put it up to Dublin in the last two years. At 5/2 they are great value.
Derry will be up against it in the Minors but they are a very well organised team with good players all over the park, a strong bench and a manager who is very good at managing a game. Hope they can stop Kerry this year and bring the Tom Markham cup home for the first time since 2002.
An interesting fact, as far as I am aware Ben McCarron on the Derry Minors is cousins with Conor Loftus, both grand children of former GAA president Mick Loftus. I'm open to correction there but pretty confident on that one.
Don't know about McCarron, but Conor Loftus is a grand-nephew of Mick Loftus, not grandson.
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Quote from: TheOptimist on September 12, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
At the age of 31 I'm going to my first all Ireland on Sunday, cant wait. Made a pact after missing out on tickets in 02 that would only go to one if Derry were in final (minor or senior) and missed out because of work in 07.
I have watched the two finals last year again and the definite conclusion is that Dublin were lucky in both games. Mayo 100% have their number if they perform to the levels that they can. I think people are blinkered by the two in a row. As I said before the quarter finals Mayo are the only team who have put it up to Dublin in the last two years. At 5/2 they are great value.
Derry will be up against it in the Minors but they are a very well organised team with good players all over the park, a strong bench and a manager who is very good at managing a game. Hope they can stop Kerry this year and bring the Tom Markham cup home for the first time since 2002.
An interesting fact, as far as I am aware Ben McCarron on the Derry Minors is cousins with Conor Loftus, both grand children of former GAA president Mick Loftus. I'm open to correction there but pretty confident on that one.
Don't know about McCarron, but Conor Loftus is a grand-nephew of Mick Loftus, not grandson.
Ah that changes things then maybe. There's connections anyway for sure :)
Mc carrons mothers maiden name is Loftus, a GP in Derry, originally from mayo.
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I agree with keeping the fans off the pitch. It gives the players the chance to enjoy the moment with their teammates. I know Bernard Brogan after the 2011 final said he enjoyed just sitting on the pitch with a few teammates and just soaking up the moment.
Yeah, I was very much against the banning of the pitch invasion to celebrate success. But I'm completely on the other side now. A proper lap of honour is far better. It allows the players to savour the victory and the fans to applaud and sing as they do so.
You just can't beat the age-old GAA traditions of gaudy gold tinsel dropping limply from the roof of the Hogan Stand, The Script's "The World's Gonna Know Your Name" blasting out over the public address system 0.7 seconds after the final whistle, plastic orange wire mesh (blue this year, plus ca change) being held up by the stewards to prevent the savage masses from entering the playing area, and, most importantly, the traditional playing of "Tonight's Gonna Be A Good Night" by The Black Eyed Peas as the cup is lifted.
Truly, part of what we are.
Why does the music have to be so bland? could they not have Azealia Banks singing I'm a ruin you **** before the camogie final ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3Jv9fNPjgk
It is a great song for a crowd in Dublin and everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkVaPUCEHQ
I guess that **** gettin eaten
"that ****" is the Commercial director afaik
what the f**k are you into hun
Why not Mobb Deep doing Drop a Gem on Tipp after Galway beat them next year in the hurling ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ACMDW42eOI
It's the infamous back in the house once again
Who can forget the Offaly hurlers in 98 ?
"Obviously, Dublin are way ahead and I have no idea how they are able to do it. To try and do a 40-hour-a-week job and just be blown away from another team who... and maybe they aren't doing 40-hour-a-week jobs similar to what other counties are, maybe that's one of the reasons they're so far ahead."
"If anything, we place a big emphasis on players getting that continued professional development," says Gavin. "That's part of their job. Sometimes they miss training because of it.
"I mentioned the academic cycle (earlier). We insist on players passing exams on the first go. So we'll give them time off for that.
"And I think when you look at the profile of the players we've got now, we've got two medical students in Mick Fitz (Michael Fitzsimons) and Jack (McCaffrey). A few other players are still in college but most of them are in solid professional jobs.
"The reality of it is at inter-county level, they're all volunteering their time. I suppose we're very fortunate to have employers who understand the benefits of an inter-county player in their workforce because of the discipline in sticking to a routine and being able to work in a team dynamic.
"But we don't place any undue demand on players on a Monday to Friday."
"There's a number of lads on our team who are fairly well committed to their jobs and very serious jobs. There's flexibility afforded in some capacity, but you've got to be able to perform in your job.
Being based in the capital, the Dublin squad avoid the sort of cross-country treks for training that are commonplace for most other inter-county players.
For example, Cavanagh's former teammate Tiernan McCann is a pharmacist based in north Dublin suburb Santry, and endures a four-hour round-trip to make it back for collective sessions multiple times per week.
McCann works on a locum basis, and during the championship he generally tries to avoid working the same day as Tyrone are training to ease the time pressure.
Then you take Dublin's opponents on Sunday, Mayo. Ten members of Stephen Rochford's panel currently work or study in Dublin: Tom Parsons, Seamie O'Shea, Jason Doherty, Chris Barrett, Rob Hennelly, Conor Loftus, Stephen Coen, Paddy Durcan, Conor O'Shea and Diarmuid O'Connor.
For Mayo's All-Ireland final press night a couple of weeks ago, Parsons gave an interview from his Dublin base with the assembled journalists in Breaffy gathered around a mobile phone.
Having claimed back-to-back All-Ireland SFC titles on the pitch in October, the Dublin GAA powerhouse also shows no sign of abating outside the white lines with Subaru coming on board as a major sponsorship partner for 2017.
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Already the GAA's biggest draw with regards to match attendances, Jim Gavin's Dubs bid for a famous three-in-a-row later this year and their pulling power off the pitch will now be driven by the Japanese car giant.
Subaru were officially announced as the replacement for Toyota as the official car partner to Dublin GAA earlier today and join a long list of 12 official sponsors for GAA in the capital.
Dublin's coffers have been boosted significantly by such sponsorship deals and as found on dublingaa.ie, here are the dozen official partners of Dublin GAA for the 2017 season:
O'Neills – official kit partner
Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner
Ballygowan – official hydration partner
Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership
Aer Lingus – official airline partner
Linwoods – official health food provider
Skins – official performance baselayer product
The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner
ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier
Benetti – menswear provider
Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider
Subaru – official car partner
Dublin Senior footballers Michael Fitzsimons and Kevin McManamon as well as hurling manager Ger Cunningham and senior players Eoghan O'Donnell and Chris Crummey were all present for the announcement.
"Subaru Ireland are delighted to announce it has joined forces with Dublin GAA and signed a deal making Subaru the official car partner to Dublin GAA," a press statement read.
"Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I came across an article about Big Jim Smith who was on the first Cavan team to win the all Ireland.
He won another one in 1937. Guess who won the all Ireland in 1936 , 2 years after Galway ?
1937 dawned. One of the Ulster Championship fixtures v Donegal was fixed for Breffni Park. Rumours spread that Jim Smith would make a return. Now fourteen, I determined to get to that game. Having left my pedal bicycle out the Dublin Road at Paddy Reilly's shop I made my way into the Park, went up alongside the wire enclosure and spoke to my brother through the wire, then returned to the rear of the entrance goal. Then I heard a tremendous cheer, looked towards the dressing-rooms as everyone else did and saw the unmistakeable figure of Jim Smith emerging with the other players. As the game got underway I watched his every move, his sure fielding, his lengthy clearances, his well placed kickouts, and he certainly did not require a Golf Tee or any other tee to raise the ball from the ground.
Monaghan were beaten in the Ulster Final and my next memory is of my late father and several others cycling to Mullingar for the semi-final v Mayo. Cavan won by a late rally but my father said they were helped by Jim Smith's marking of the late Paddy Moclair, Mayo's famed full-forward
Do it for Paddy Moclair. He has run out of patience.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
I don't know what a 'GAA person' is but there were on average 20 claims per pitch invasion.
Gooch being assaulted after the final in 2008 was a big factor too.
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
I don't know what a 'GAA person' is but there were on average 20 claims per pitch invasion.
Gooch being assaulted after the final in 2008 was a big factor too.
The land of fantasy has just been entered.
Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2017, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
I don't know what a 'GAA person' is but there were on average 20 claims per pitch invasion.
Gooch being assaulted after the final in 2008 was a big factor too.
Can you even attempt to back any of this up.............
A quick search and click threw this up but regardless of what it says, the fat cats at Croke Park are an awful shower altogether.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-fans-make-injury-complaints-after-pitch-invasion-29854243.html
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 13, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
A quick search and click threw this up but regardless of what it says, the fat cats at Croke Park are an awful shower altogether.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-fans-make-injury-complaints-after-pitch-invasion-29854243.html
Figures released for the first six months of 2013 indicate that the county of Limerick accounted for 7pc of personal injury awards in Ireland, despite having just 4.2pc of the population.
In total, there were 383 personal injury claims made in Limerick, winning just over €7.9m in compensation.
7% is 8m so 100% would be 130m
For the whole country exclusive NI
Average claim is 20,000
What proportion would be likely to occur at GAA matches given GAA is Sundays from June to end August say. Say 15 Sundays out of 365 days of activity for 4.2 m people.
Say 400000 people go to GAA matches every Sunday for 15 Sundays. That is generous.
That is 10% of people
And 15/365 of total exposure to personal accident.
So cost would be 10% of 130m = 13 m ×
with the exposure factor of 15/365 = 4.1%
Total 534, 000
534000 is an overestimate . If it was true it could be paid from the rental from.one CP concert
The GAA is lying.
What lie did "The GAA" state?
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 13, 2017, 03:05:36 PM
What lie did "The GAA" state?
That pitch invasions are too expensive
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Quote from: heffo on September 13, 2017, 10:59:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 11, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 11, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
How many peilople have been injured in a pitch invasion. Ever.
Probably fewer than the number of GAA players who have been paralysed after drinking .
You arr missing the point.
Corporate GAA decided to ban pitch invasions because of the fear of litigation if someone sustained injuries while running onto the pitch and/or acting the buck eejit while on it. The hike in insurance premiums had to be taken into account also.
As I see it, you may sue or be sued in the event of injuries sustained during an invasion but the GAA can't be held responsible for whatever transpires if you lep the fence.
Name one, just one, incident of a GAA person suing after invading the pitch at an AI final. Maybe there were a series of litigious claims that I'm not aware of but I severely doubt it, it's just pc nonsense. The reality is it's a shift further away from the ideals of the association and just imitates big business professional sport.
I don't know what a 'GAA person' is but there were on average 20 claims per pitch invasion.
Gooch being assaulted after the final in 2008 was a big factor too.
Can you even attempt to back any of this up.............
Do your own research - I could care less what you believe
Quote from: seafoid on September 13, 2017, 03:07:03 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 13, 2017, 03:05:36 PM
What lie did "The GAA" state?
That pitch invasions are too expensive
They said pitch invasions are too expensive?
Surely if claims have been made then they're likely to continue to be made and therefore premiums will go up. What's your theory on why they would seek to prevent pitch invasions? Is it somehow linked to the Super 8? ;D
Any chance anyone might talk about the match?
Or us it a foregone conclusion and so not worth discussing.
Hoping for a Rhubarb win to keep some elements of competitiveness alive in the football world.
Also after 5 years of near misses......
However they'll need everything to go right for them for a start and even then the Dublin bench may prove too much for them.
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 13, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
A quick search and click threw this up but regardless of what it says, the fat cats at Croke Park are an awful shower altogether.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gaa-fans-make-injury-complaints-after-pitch-invasion-29854243.html
Supporters can still walk onto the Gaelic Grounds after games while Croke Park with no known claims you aren't allowed. Anyone else find that a bit strange?
I recall Christy Cooney saying total hogwash that pitch invasions had no place in modern society. One thing that should have no place in modern society in outdoor sports arena is a plastic wall/fence.
I thought the thinking behind no pitch invasions at CP, wasn't the health and safety angle of people falling on the pitch and suing. It was the crowd control issues afterwards on Jones Rd. So many people (post pitch invastion) exit the stadium via the Hogan Stand. As it is such a narrow road, that is already packed with people, that is where the bulk of the danger lies.
I feel like if Shakespeare were alive today hed write a tragic comedy about mayo football
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I feel like if Shakespeare were alive today hed write a tragic comedy about mayo football
You should create another user account and give it a go
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2017, 03:24:59 PM
Any chance anyone might talk about the match?
Or us it a foregone conclusion and so not worth discussing.
Hoping for a Rhubarb win to keep some elements of competitiveness alive in the football world.
Also after 5 years of near misses......
However they'll need everything to go right for them for a start and even then the Dublin bench may prove too much for them.
I'll have a stab at explaining the lack of talk about the game Ross. Let's say Mayo get all the match ups on the money and get the run of the decisions from McQulillan that would be the perfect storm for the underdog but the feeling I have and a lot of people I've been talking to is it will be like the hurling final, in that the Dubs will keep us at arms length for the majority of the game winning by 5 or 6. In a strange way I am really looking forward to this final because this Mayo team leaves everything on the pitch even though everything realistically isn't enough.
There is the slight chance the Dubs have a serious off day and we might take them but probably not! We will sow it into them and ask them questions so they will have to earn the historic three in a row.
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
If you were to pick a combined team, I'd go for:
Cluxton
Harrison Fitzsimons McMahon
Keegan Higgins Mccaffrey
Fenton Parsons
McLoughlin Connolly Mannion
Rock Andrews Andy
So even with my mayo bias (Higgins, McLoughlin & Parsons are all debatable), I still only have it 6 for us.
Surely Kilkenny before Mannion at HF?
Higgins wouldn't be debatable at all. Mcloughlin wouldn't get near dublin team imo though. Parsons probably not either.
Quote from: Syferus on September 13, 2017, 09:56:13 PM
Surely Kilkenny before Mannion at HF?
I hate the role KK plays, slows down the play and rarely creates anything. It's clearly the role he's been asked to do but I think it's a waste of his undoubted talent.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 13, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Higgins wouldn't be debatable at all. Mcloughlin wouldn't get near dublin team imo though. Parsons probably not either.
It was more the fact that Higgins isn't a traditional CHB but I wedged him in there anyway. He's having a super year though, great outside bet for POTY @ 12/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJoh0gbXUAAbxxY.jpg)
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 13, 2017, 10:00:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 13, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Higgins wouldn't be debatable at all. Mcloughlin wouldn't get near dublin team imo though. Parsons probably not either.
It was more the fact that Higgins isn't a traditional CHB but I wedged him in there anyway. He's having a super year though, great outside bet for POTY @ 12/1
He's a fantastic player. Seems to almost get better with age.
Either team to win by 1-4 points or a draw @5/6 looks like a great bet
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
True... same as Kilkenny hurlers recently. Great players and manager
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Did Kerry also have a population of 1,600,000 to pull from and way more money and grants than everyone else too?
It genuinely amazes the rest of us that any Dublin fan could point backwards on this one because it only highlights how much worse this can become because of Dublin's off-the-field advantages that Kerry didn't have.
Look - you've had years to come up with a good response to why the system is not totally broken but you've failed to produce one. Maybe take that as a hint that, rather than everyone else being wrong, it's you who needs to reconsider their position?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Yes, I did watch football in the '70s and '80s. How many of the Kerry players from that era where there from beginning to end? You'd find that it was the same 12+ that were there. How many of the 2011 team are starting for Dublin these days! The exceptional group have evolved into another exceptional group......How coincidental? Lightening strikes twice! Must be a freak of nature!
Weather looking decent for Sunday
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Quote from: imtommygunn on September 13, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Higgins wouldn't be debatable at all. Mcloughlin wouldn't get near dublin team imo though. Parsons probably not either.
It was more the fact that Higgins isn't a traditional CHB but I wedged him in there anyway. He's having a super year though, great outside bet for POTY @ 12/1
He's a fantastic player. Seems to almost get better with age.
In my opinion Mayos best player throughout this whole era. Similar to Karl Lacey was, a real out and out footballing defender.
Re pitch invasions, after some years of cognitive dissonance on this, I've come around to accepting that the reason they are banned is simply because, at Croke Park anyway, they are unsafe.
And that's all there is to it, really.
In the old days, there were fences in front of the spectator areas. Fences are rightly associated with poor spectator safety as a result of Hillsborough. But paradoxically, they made pitch invasions safer, as it took a bit of time time for people to enter the playing area. They either had to crouch between the wires in the fences in front of the Hogan or Cusack Stands or wait for the narrow gates to be opened at the Canal End or Hill 16.
When the new Croke Park came into being, fences were rightly abolished. But it meant that when supporters invaded the playing area, it
became more dangerous, as large numbers of people clambered over the advertising hoardings before the final whistle in anticipation of running on. Instead of trickling on in dribs and drabs as before, people sprinted in unison from all around the pitch. See Tyrone 2005, for instance. And it was dangerous.
Now, were these sorts of pitch invasions to continue, the probability is there wouldn't be a serious incident. But you couldn't have been 100% sure. And ultimately, the GAA has a duty of care to the spectators.
Sadly we now have the fence in front of Hill 16. The reasoning for this is obviously that it is far more difficult to stop people coming onto the pitch from a non-fenced standing area than from a seated one, thus if there were no fence, pitch invasions would thus continue. But that fence is an eyesore and if you get stuck behind it it destroys your view of the match. It's a very unsatisfactory "solution".
The new presentation is rubbish. There's no doubting that. It's soulless, corporate, bland, everything about it is a let down. Which is why I haven't bothered sticking around for the presentation at the last three All-Ireland finals I've attended. And there's no point pretending it's anything other than corporate, soulless and bland.
A pitch invasion is more thrilling, exciting and fulfilling on every level. If there was a way you could magic 10,000 people onto the pitch at the end, that would be great. But you can't, because if you allow people on, masses of people will sprint on. And the GAA have a duty of care. And so All-Ireland trophy presentations will always be a let down from now on.
It's unfortunate, and it's shit, but that's the just the way it is.
But should Mayo win, that doesn't mean I don't hope to see people clambering on in their droves and defying the authorities like they did in 2002.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Of course they were exceptionally talented, there could have been no other reason for their phenomenal success in those years. I mean they hadn't have anything else that their closest rivals didn't have. In fact, they were at a distinct disadvantage in many ways when compared to the likes of Cork or Dublin.
If you go by sheer talent alone, Micko's men were the best of all time, whereas present day Dublin has the best team that money could buy.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Of course they were exceptionally talented, there could have been no other reason for their phenomenal success in those years. I mean they hadn't have anything else that their closest rivals didn't have. In fact, they were at a distinct disadvantage in many ways when compared to the likes of Cork or Dublin.
If you go by sheer talent alone, Micko's men were the best of all time, whereas present day Dublin has the best team that money could buy.
I think by talent, or skill, or whatever label you put on it, this Dublin team have all others beat.
What they've proven that the money and the coaching and nurturing it brings is more important than any innate transcendent talent in this sport. We have a relatively small small size so absolutely exceptional athletes are rare. Only a few in my time come to mind, Gooch, Michael Murphy.
So it's a sport where you can 'make' great players. And by God if Dublin haven't made a machine capable of making them.
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
All the talk is Flynn will get the final wing forward position ahead of Scully, Connolly, Lowndes.
Not sure about that one. I've lost a bit of faith in Flynn, but he must be going well. He doesn't have the legs to cope with the maurauding forward runs of the Mayo half backs, and I can foresee a lot of Flynn pointing at teammates to pick up runners as he tries to find someone who's staying at home to stand close to.
But if Mayo are able to put genuine pressure on the Dublin kickout and there's a lot of 50/50 ball in the middle of the field, then I don't think there's any doubt that Mayo have the better fielders, so putting Flynn in there would go some way to evening things out. He's arguably the best fielder we have. Flynn's also really good at getting early accurate ball into the full forward line and a good man to take a point (not all days, but most days).
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday
love it, was the same when the Dubs played Carlow, and Westmeath and Kildare :D ! Ye hear this line trotted out all the time, or 11 v 11, or 5 v 5 etc, usually by the red hot favourites.
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
All the talk is Flynn will get the final wing forward position ahead of Scully, Connolly, Lowndes.
Not sure about that one. I've lost a bit of faith in Flynn, but he must be going well. He doesn't have the legs to cope with the maurauding forward runs of the Mayo half backs, and I can foresee a lot of Flynn pointing at teammates to pick up runners as he tries to find someone who's staying at home to stand close to.
again, this is Dublin, not a junior B team ! It's scientifically impossible to downplay this Dublin juggernaut
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do they pay benefit in kind tax on their free cars?
How much would it cost if you changed your car every 6 months?
What do the Carlow or Leitrim lads get? Free sandwiches?
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 09:28:39 AM
All the talk is Flynn will get the final wing forward position ahead of Scully, Connolly, Lowndes.
Not sure about that one. I've lost a bit of faith in Flynn, but he must be going well. He doesn't have the legs to cope with the maurauding forward runs of the Mayo half backs, and I can foresee a lot of Flynn pointing at teammates to pick up runners as he tries to find someone who's staying at home to stand close to.
But if Mayo are able to put genuine pressure on the Dublin kickout and there's a lot of 50/50 ball in the middle of the field, then I don't think there's any doubt that Mayo have the better fielders, so putting Flynn in there would go some way to evening things out. He's arguably the best fielder we have. Flynn's also really good at getting early accurate ball into the full forward line and a good man to take a point (not all days, but most days).
Interesting point on the early ball into the FF because that would be a change to how you've played all year. Playing against blanket defences it's been all hand passes. Seems unlikely you'll revert to a more direct ball
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Yes, I did watch football in the '70s and '80s. How many of the Kerry players from that era where there from beginning to end? You'd find that it was the same 12+ that were there. How many of the 2011 team are starting for Dublin these days! The exceptional group have evolved into another exceptional group......How coincidental? Lightening strikes twice! Must be a freak of nature!
From memory there's about 10 that where there from 1978 right through to 1986 - the five eight-medal men of 75-86 (Ó Se, Power, Sheehy, P. Spillane, Moran) and five more (Jacko, Nelligan, Walsh, Liston, M. Spillane). Tommy Doyle didn't start in 1978 but was in thereafter. The only notable turnover was after the 1983 Munster loss, Ger and John O'Keeffe, Kennelly and Paudie Lynch from the 78 team were gone after that year. John Egan was there til 1984.
By contrast four of Dublin's 2011 winning team started v Tyrone, Cluxton, O'Sullivan, Fitzsimons and McCarthy. McMahon was a sub in 2011, Flynn and Connolly started in 2011 and McManamon and O'Gara were subs in both.
Quote from: Syferus on September 14, 2017, 01:26:34 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 01:11:58 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 13, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 13, 2017, 09:24:32 PM
There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Of course they were exceptionally talented, there could have been no other reason for their phenomenal success in those years. I mean they hadn't have anything else that their closest rivals didn't have. In fact, they were at a distinct disadvantage in many ways when compared to the likes of Cork or Dublin.
If you go by sheer talent alone, Micko's men were the best of all time, whereas present day Dublin has the best team that money could buy.
I think by talent, or skill, or whatever label you put on it, this Dublin team have all others beat.
What they've proven that the money and the coaching and nurturing it brings is more important than any innate transcendent talent in this sport. We have a relatively small small size so absolutely exceptional athletes are rare. Only a few in my time come to mind, Gooch, Michael Murphy.
So it's a sport where you can 'make' great players. And by God if Dublin haven't made a machine capable of making them.
Good post Syf, you're in deadly form today! ;D
I'd kinda quibble with your interpretation of the term 'talent' but otherwise you are bang on target. I think Talent is more a product of nature and not nurture.
All the training in the world wouldn't turn a donkey into a Grand National winner. I think Dublion has a good few talented players who, if they played for any other county, would still stand out.
However, talent on its own won't get you far. A bit like a lighthouse in a bog: brilliant but useless.
It took a lot more than mere talent alone to get Dublin to its pre-eminent position it enjoys today.
Just suppose that Dublin and Mayo swapped places sometime before last year's All Ireland final. THat would mean Berno and Dermo, Clucko and Deano having to forsake their top of the range Suburus and and a 10 t0 20 minute spin to their training grounds.
Instead, they would be rushing to finish work/study or whatever before 4 o'clock and three or four would have to pile into a car and rface a return trip of more than 250 miles, getting to bed around 3 in the morning and then having to face into their daytime occupations once again, like ten of the Mayo panel have to do three times a week. They would have to forego the world class gym in Abbotstown and the state of the art pitches in UCD, DCU, Trinity pitches, knowing their opponents would be making full use of same.
The list could go on and on but the exercise would be pointless. When you tot up all the long list of advantages that Mayo would have over Dublin, there's no doubt that they'd be All Ireland winners right now.
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo just have to show up. Pundits all backing them.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/revealed-details-of-mayos-all-ireland-homecoming-victory-party-emerge-36131636.html
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
Apologies, maybe the backroom team aren't included. From http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html (http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html)
Nice for the Dub hurlers considering where they stand ;)
Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. They will be driving the versatile & capable 'go anywhere' life-style Subaru AWD vehicle range. The models being provided are from across the range, including Impreza, XV Crossover, Forester and Outback. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All Ireland Championships and National Leagues.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
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Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 14, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
Apologies, maybe the backroom team aren't included. From http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html (http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html)
Nice for the Dub hurlers considering where they stand ;)
Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. They will be driving the versatile & capable 'go anywhere' life-style Subaru AWD vehicle range. The models being provided are from across the range, including Impreza, XV Crossover, Forester and Outback. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All Ireland Championships and National Leagues.
Some players in both panels have a sponsored Subaru - it's not a general deal for all players and management.
Nothing on the level of Big Aido's deals.
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 14, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 14, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 11:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on September 14, 2017, 09:44:21 AM
Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
Apologies, maybe the backroom team aren't included. From http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html (http://www.subaru.ie/subaru-life/gaa-partner.html)
Nice for the Dub hurlers considering where they stand ;)
Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. They will be driving the versatile & capable 'go anywhere' life-style Subaru AWD vehicle range. The models being provided are from across the range, including Impreza, XV Crossover, Forester and Outback. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All Ireland Championships and National Leagues.
Some players in both panels have a sponsored Subaru - it's not a general deal for all players and management.
Nothing on the level of Big Aido's deals.
Misleading statement from Subaru in that case!
Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams.Does Aido have deals that equate to more than 60 Subaru's!? Tell me more, tell me more!
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All the talk is Flynn will get the final wing forward position ahead of Scully, Connolly, Lowndes.
Not sure about that one. I've lost a bit of faith in Flynn, but he must be going well. He doesn't have the legs to cope with the maurauding forward runs of the Mayo half backs, and I can foresee a lot of Flynn pointing at teammates to pick up runners as he tries to find someone who's staying at home to stand close to.
But if Mayo are able to put genuine pressure on the Dublin kickout and there's a lot of 50/50 ball in the middle of the field, then I don't think there's any doubt that Mayo have the better fielders, so putting Flynn in there would go some way to evening things out. He's arguably the best fielder we have. Flynn's also really good at getting early accurate ball into the full forward line and a good man to take a point (not all days, but most days).
Interesting point on the early ball into the FF because that would be a change to how you've played all year. Playing against blanket defences it's been all hand passes. Seems unlikely you'll revert to a more direct ball
Yep, although Mayo set up differently than the other teams, so they'll attack in numbers from half back, and therefore leave some gaps when attacks break down. Perceived weakness of Mayo would be if any of our FF line gets isolated against any of your full back line, we'll cause havoc. So Flynn would be able to get ball in quickly before cover arrives, something not really in Scully's locker.
At the opposite end, its going to be very interesting what you do with AOS. He has never really worked at FF v the Dubs, but that's been down to a mixture of him being too greedy and nobody showing for him to pass it to (one perpetuating the other perhaps!). But still his success rate at winning primary ball has always been good, so it only needs a little adjustment.
Andy Moran the big dangerman. Can see him causing Fitzsimons a lot of trouble, unless Mayo allow us to double up.
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.
So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?
Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.
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Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
They can.
Anything that relieves external pressure can make you a better player.
Any relief from work, child, travel, financial pressure can make you a better player.
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.
So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?
Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.
I don't know! I only joined the topic (same as yourself) to clarify that some Mayo players are driving sponsored cars, I didn't start the discussion.
Don't bring up the funding issue for Jaysis sake, aren't we getting on grand without throwing that grenade into the mix!
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
That's not my understanding of the deal.
According to the Indo, announcing details of the sponsorship deal with Suburu, "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I take that to mean that
all hurling and football panels along with the management of both sides get sponsored cars.
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There is nothing really to talk about. The Bandwagon fans in Mayo are really excited. Probably because they don't know to much about the real job in hand. Most (unbelievably) are caught up with talk of homecomings. That's how far removed they are. The synopsis from the more knowledgeable fan is what Crete Boom says above. We will burst a gut. But Corporation Dublin will prevail and after the winter break prepare for 4 in a row. More of their successful under 21's will be assimilated into the first team after retaining the O'Byrne Cup with their third team.
It's a terrible place to be as a knowledgeable Mayo fan. A sort of (what feels like an) eternal Limbo! Good enough to be at the Top table. But still feeding from the scraps. You know this period of a decent football side is coming to an end and you know the heavily financed Dublin machine gets bigger and bigger!
Did you watch football during the 70s and 80s? How do you account for Kerry winning seven All Irelands in nine years between 1978 and 1986 other than that they were an exceptional group of players?
Of course they were exceptionally talented, there could have been no other reason for their phenomenal success in those years. I mean they hadn't have anything else that their closest rivals didn't have. In fact, they were at a distinct disadvantage in many ways when compared to the likes of Cork or Dublin.
If you go by sheer talent alone, Micko's men were the best of all time, whereas present day Dublin has the best team that money could buy.
I think by talent, or skill, or whatever label you put on it, this Dublin team have all others beat.
What they've proven that the money and the coaching and nurturing it brings is more important than any innate transcendent talent in this sport. We have a relatively small small size so absolutely exceptional athletes are rare. Only a few in my time come to mind, Gooch, Michael Murphy.
So it's a sport where you can 'make' great players. And by God if Dublin haven't made a machine capable of making them.
Good post Syf, you're in deadly form today! ;D
I'd kinda quibble with your interpretation of the term 'talent' but otherwise you are bang on target. I think Talent is more a product of nature and not nurture.
All the training in the world wouldn't turn a donkey into a Grand National winner. I think Dublion has a good few talented players who, if they played for any other county, would still stand out.
However, talent on its own won't get you far. A bit like a lighthouse in a bog: brilliant but useless.
It took a lot more than mere talent alone to get Dublin to its pre-eminent position it enjoys today.
Just suppose that Dublin and Mayo swapped places sometime before last year's All Ireland final. THat would mean Berno and Dermo, Clucko and Deano having to forsake their top of the range Suburus and and a 10 t0 20 minute spin to their training grounds.
Instead, they would be rushing to finish work/study or whatever before 4 o'clock and three or four would have to pile into a car and rface a return trip of more than 250 miles, getting to bed around 3 in the morning and then having to face into their daytime occupations once again, like ten of the Mayo panel have to do three times a week. They would have to forego the world class gym in Abbotstown and the state of the art pitches in UCD, DCU, Trinity pitches, knowing their opponents would be making full use of same.
The list could go on and on but the exercise would be pointless. When you tot up all the long list of advantages that Mayo would have over Dublin, there's no doubt that they'd be All Ireland winners right now.
This debate as always is degenerating into sheer begrudgery. What unfair advantages did Kerry have which helped them win 37 All Ireland trophies?
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.
So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?
Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.
I don't know! I only joined the topic (same as yourself) to clarify that some Mayo players are driving sponsored cars, I didn't start the discussion.
Don't bring up the funding issue for Jaysis sake, aren't we getting on grand without throwing that grenade into the mix!
But funding is the discussion. It shouldn't be but it is. Pity we can't talk football a few days before the biggest game of the year with two of the best teams in the past 20 years going head to head.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
That's not my understanding of the deal.
According to the Indo, announcing details of the sponsorship deal with Suburu, "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I take that to mean that all hurling and football panels along with the management of both sides get sponsored cars.
Do you know if this includes private use?
Is it a car per person or shared with Ts&Cs applying?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 01:02:45 PM
This debate as always is degenerating into sheer begrudgery. What unfair advantages did Kerry have which helped them win 37 All Ireland trophies?
I don't want to get involved in this argument since this thread isn't the place for it but I just wanted to pick up on this argument which is a complete fallacy. In using this argument you're saying:
Team A (Kerry/KK) have been extremely successful.
Team A have no particular unfair advantages.
Team B (Dublin) have also been extremely successful.
Since both team A and team B have been extremely successful and team A have been shown to have no unfair advantages, therefore team B also have no unfair advantages.
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
So?
Just a clarification. Mayo don't have sponsors with the resources that Dublin have.
Mayo are not short money. If they lose on Sunday it will have nothing to do with Subaru providing cars rather than individual car dealers.
Never suggested otherwise. The cars they're driving will have no bearing on it.
So why is it being discussed? The two best teams in Ireland are meeting Sunday in what should be a great game yet who provides each team with sponsored cars is the topic of discussion?
Both teams are getting huge funding and high level professional support and the winner will be decided by the footballers on the pitch.
I don't know! I only joined the topic (same as yourself) to clarify that some Mayo players are driving sponsored cars, I didn't start the discussion.
Don't bring up the funding issue for Jaysis sake, aren't we getting on grand without throwing that grenade into the mix!
But funding is the discussion. It shouldn't be but it is. Pity we can't talk football a few days before the biggest game of the year with two of the best teams in the past 20 years going head to head.
I think we all know you'd like to ignore the reasons why Dublin are so dominant. If you want that sort of one-eyed discussion head over to Res Dubs - otherwise suck it up like a big boy.
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
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Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
If not in their clubs then they did in the schools.
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Is it rue that affiliated Dublin youth players get their food delivered to them. Is it true that the senior team are driving sponsored vehicles. These are just rumours?
Do sponsored cars make you play better? I wonder was it the sponsored cars that made our hurlers play so poorly this year?
Mayo and Kerry lads have sponsored cars. Dublin had sponsored cars under Pillar, and probably before that too. Maybe its because we've changed to Subarus that's brought the improvement.
Hah! Tell me more....
AOS drives a car sponsored by AIB for whom he does promotional work, same as Berno does for Supervalu but I don't know of any player driving a car that is supplied by a commercial team sponsor. Maybe you know more than I do.
Mayo lad I work with said a car dealer gives a number of cars to Mayo lads. Burke Motors or something like that?
Yeah, several players are driving cars from different dealers and fair play to them.
It's not a centralised deal where the whole panel, management and backroom team are given cars though!
Neither is the Dublin Subaru deal
That's not my understanding of the deal.
According to the Indo, announcing details of the sponsorship deal with Suburu, "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I take that to mean that all hurling and football panels along with the management of both sides get sponsored cars.
That's ok - I get that you misunderstood.
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
Hound and Heffo, not even worth it conversing with ignorance.
I wonder what their excuse was when they lost two finals in the 90s and 00s and Donegal this decade.
They need to look internally and perhaps just not that good of a footballing county and have mental weaknesses.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
Gavin normally names the team that started the last game as 1-15, so I'd expect Scully to be 12. But that doesn't mean it'll start that way.
Last year, for the first game, everyone named to start did start for both teams.
Probably only one change for Mayo from the team that started the first game last year, with Barrett a certain starter. Unless a surprise thrown in.
Up to 6 changes for Dublin, with Byrne, Macauley, Flynn, Connolly, Brogan, McManamon starting the first final last year but not starting the semi final this year.
Although when comparing with the team that started the replay, there will only be 3 changes (or down to 2 if Flynn or Connolly start).
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
Does that necessarily mean it's not an unfair advantage?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
no it means the unfair advantage wasnt big enough and next year theyll try to make it more unfair
unfairadvantages does not make great players but it can ensure average footballers are superfit and can run quicker and longer than team with a average preparation and then play a style thast depends more on athleticism that football skill .
perfect example is bernard brogan on the bench while scully plays Alsowhen the age induced failing powers flynn and mcCauley stop them being running machines they are discarded and replicants introduced .
there is a reason dublin seem to have the best bench in the country
Quote from: rosnarun on September 14, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
no it means the unfair advantage wasnt big enough and next year theyll try to make it more unfair
unfairadvantages does not make great players but it can ensure average footballers are superfit and can run quicker and longer than team with a average preparation and then play a style thast depends more on athleticism that football skill .
perfect example is bernard brogan on the bench while scully plays Alsowhen the age induced failing powers flynn and mcCauley stop them being running machines they are discarded and replicants introduced .
there is a reason dublin seem to have the best bench in the country
Good management can achieve the same thing - that's why Kerry have produced champions decade after decade.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
That's not my understanding of the deal.
According to the Indo, announcing details of the sponsorship deal with Suburu, "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I take that to mean that all hurling and football panels along with the management of both sides get sponsored cars.
If we read the same articles at the time, Subaru gave the Dublin Co Board a fleet of a dozen cars and vans. They were divided equally between the footballers, hurlers and lady footballers, with a couple of them being used as kit vans. So that's about 3/4 freebie cars that the footballers have....hardly the entire squad. And none of them are as sweet as those lovely freebie Audi's that Aidan O'Shea whizzes about the town in.
Quote from: Beffs on September 14, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
That's not my understanding of the deal.
According to the Indo, announcing details of the sponsorship deal with Suburu, "Subaru will provide vehicles to the players and management of the Dublin senior football and hurling teams. Both teams will also benefit from a Subaru Forester Van to transport their kit around the country as they compete in the All-Ireland Championships and National Leagues."
I take that to mean that all hurling and football panels along with the management of both sides get sponsored cars.
If we read the same articles at the time, Subaru gave the Dublin Co Board a fleet of a dozen cars and vans. They were divided equally between the footballers, hurlers and lady footballers, with a couple of them being used as kit vans. So that's about 3/4 freebie cars that the footballers have....hardly the entire squad. And none of them are as sweet as those lovely freebie Audi's that Aidan O'Shea whizzes about the town in.
Speaking of Aidan
Has he picked the team yet ;D
Lads would you ever shut up about vans and sponsors and that crap. Bloody hell a sponsored van doesnt put the ball over the bar and dublin have a better sponsor because they win more and are a better team ie, people want to sponsor them. Theyre a very fit, athletic team but youre talking as if thats by some elusive cheat code only dublin possess. Maybe some counties should stop complaining and go try and improve their own teams. Do some strength and conditioning? Get a manager who knows what a tactic is? Etc. Sick of all these excuses of how its dublins fault that longford or any other county are crap.
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 14, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
no it means the unfair advantage wasnt big enough and next year theyll try to make it more unfair
unfairadvantages does not make great players but it can ensure average footballers are superfit and can run quicker and longer than team with a average preparation and then play a style thast depends more on athleticism that football skill .
perfect example is bernard brogan on the bench while scully plays Alsowhen the age induced failing powers flynn and mcCauley stop them being running machines they are discarded and replicants introduced .
there is a reason dublin seem to have the best bench in the country
Good management can achieve the same thing - that's why Kerry have produced champions decade after decade.
I really don't know who is taking your one-note distract-athon approach to the many advantages that make Dublin's lead over every other county sustainable seriously.
Probably just the vested interests that benefit from the status quo.
What Dublin supporters who won't stand up and be honest with themselves about what is happening are basically saying is "f**k the greater good".
Don't worry, everyone else is hearing the message loud and clear. There will be a reckoning for Dublin one way or the other and the only question is how much damage HQ will allow happen in service of the all-mighty dollar before something is done. It's sad that even grassroots people in Dublin take the same approach as the fat cat executives.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:56:21 PM
Lads would you ever shut up about vans and sponsors and that crap. Bloody hell a sponsored van doesnt put the ball over the bar and dublin have a better sponsor because they win more and are a better team ie, people want to sponsor them. Theyre a very fit, athletic team but youre talking as if thats by some elusive cheat code only dublin possess. Maybe some counties should stop complaining and go try and improve their own teams. Do some strength and conditioning? Get a manager who knows what a tactic is? Etc. Sick of all these excuses of how its dublins fault that longford or any other county are crap.
Sound man ;)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.
If we win, that'll be one of the reasons why. If we lose, it'll also be one of the reasons why
Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 14, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 03:00:12 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It will leave it the same way it was after Donegal beat ye in 2014!
Oh I'd forgotten about that - so the unfair advantage doesn't always pay off.
no it means the unfair advantage wasnt big enough and next year theyll try to make it more unfair
unfairadvantages does not make great players but it can ensure average footballers are superfit and can run quicker and longer than team with a average preparation and then play a style thast depends more on athleticism that football skill .
perfect example is bernard brogan on the bench while scully plays Alsowhen the age induced failing powers flynn and mcCauley stop them being running machines they are discarded and replicants introduced .
there is a reason dublin seem to have the best bench in the country
Good management can achieve the same thing - that's why Kerry have produced champions decade after decade.
Feck me there are a lot of Bad Managers (about 32) out there going on that!
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
I've two tickets for Whollys thing in the Academy tomorrow evening if anyone wants them? Starts at 6.30
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
I've two tickets for Whollys thing in the Academy tomorrow evening if anyone wants them? Starts at 6.30
No thanks.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
I've two tickets for Whollys thing in the Academy tomorrow evening if anyone wants them? Starts at 6.30
No thanks
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
We tried that in the '84 Semi, and it didn't go too well for us. You'd swear the Dubs think of Croke as their home ground, hence their divine right to warm up at the Hill end, but sure of course it isn't, that's just a vicious rumour! ;)
Hoi, that's our end Nordie upstarts! (https://www.rte.ie/archives/category/sports/2017/0825/899876-dublin-tyrone-turf-war/)
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
Why would we? We're a different outfit from 06, it's all built on process, doing everything right. No real time for messing
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 14, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
When will Dublin name their team? Do they normally line out as named or have changes?
Presume ours will be named tomorrow evening with 1-2 changes before throw in
I'd say that both teams will play their hands close to their chests for as long as possible.
BTW: If Mayo win on Sunday where will that leave the "unfair advantage" arguement?
It hasn't gone away, you know. The odds are that, year on year Dublin, will be strong favourites. I think those who framed the Blue Wave project were correct in saying that their aim was to win 3 out of every five years. (Or something like that. The precise wording escapes me but three out of five was the goal.)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
Why would we? We're a different outfit from 06, it's all built on process, doing everything right. No real time for messing
What if part of Mayos process is to upset Dublins process?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 10:50:08 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
Why would we? We're a different outfit from 06, it's all built on process, doing everything right. No real time for messing
What if part of Mayos process is to upset Dublins process?
Then there'd be no process, and I'm not sure Gavin or Rochford would process that.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 14, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
We tried that in the '84 Semi, and it didn't go too well for us. You'd swear the Dubs think of Croke as their home ground, hence their divine right to warm up at the Hill end, but sure of course it isn't, that's just a vicious rumour! ;)
Hoi, that's our end Nordie upstarts! (https://www.rte.ie/archives/category/sports/2017/0825/899876-dublin-tyrone-turf-war/)
Tyrone's tactic 2017 was to break rank before the parade came to Hill 16. They suffered a worst defeat than 1984.
What if both teams have a process, but seeing how heavy favourites Dublin are Mayo should disrupt dublins
Quote from: Aaron Boone on September 14, 2017, 11:02:24 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 14, 2017, 09:39:07 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 14, 2017, 07:55:04 PM
What would happen if Mayo headed to the Hill for the warm up? Is it still against the rules? Would the Authorities step in?
We tried that in the '84 Semi, and it didn't go too well for us. You'd swear the Dubs think of Croke as their home ground, hence their divine right to warm up at the Hill end, but sure of course it isn't, that's just a vicious rumour! ;)
Hoi, that's our end Nordie upstarts! (https://www.rte.ie/archives/category/sports/2017/0825/899876-dublin-tyrone-turf-war/)
Tyrone's tactic 2017 was to break rank before the parade came to Hill 16. They suffered a worst defeat than 1984.
Agreed, unfathomable to my mind (2017), alas.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.
I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.
Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.
The respective build ups are very similar to that final.
Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.
Quote from: highorlow on September 14, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.
The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.
https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ
There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 14, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.
The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.
https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ
There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday
The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. ;)
They were the best team. They could play anywhere. They had men on the line that were as good as them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kba6NYKQH5k
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 15, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 14, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.
The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.
https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ
There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday
The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. ;)
Without a doubt. Philly would make sure of that as he'd rolled around the ground clutching his head calling for treatment. Might even be a black card issued
Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.
I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.
Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.
The respective build ups are very similar to that final.
Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.
I was thinking the same thing. The Dubs didn't play a single match.
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 15, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 14, 2017, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 14, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Any chance of someone actually mentioning the match or is this thread strictly whingefest only?
One of the many imponderables about this intriguing game is how much Mayo's marathon road to the final may have taken from them - having had to peak a number of times. Will they be able to raise their game again next Sunday. Who knows. But if they do and can pull it off, fair dues to them.
I would much prefer Mayo's path to the final than Dublin's.
Tyrone were a well oiled machine in 2005 compared to Kerry who had coasted to the final.
The respective build ups are very similar to that final.
Tyrone went in as 6/4 underdogs in 2005 if memory serves.
I was thinking the same thing. The Dubs didn't play a single match.
It's a good analogy but Tyrone already had an AI medal at that point and that changes everything
Unbackable Leinster champions. f**king LEINSTER champions. Who are these losers from the west ?
Just a matter of toggin out . There's Sean Brady
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIV73ywp41o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftE3kDIYBk
Quote from: criostlinn on September 15, 2017, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 15, 2017, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 07:54:50 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 14, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.
The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.
https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ
There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday
The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. ;)
Without a doubt. Philly would make sure of that as he'd rolled around the ground clutching his head calling for treatment. Might even be a black card issued
Surely that's COC you're talking about?
It is hoped that Mayo, with their professional set up who spend the most on their senior football team in the country can get over the line.
Difficult to play against a team who's players take time outs from work to focus on football and are backed by money, support from fans from other counties, backed by the pundits and the GAA hierarchy, its going to very difficult for Dublin.
Hopefully Jim Gavin's good guys do the business on Sunday and do us all a favour.
http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/
This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal. Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.
https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/
This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal. Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.
https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q
That's some trawl of the archives you're doing there. How about looking for examples of matches where the favourites actually won. It shouldn't be to difficult to find some. ;)
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 15, 2017, 12:28:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
http://bundesligafanatic.com/dfb-pokal-semi-final-bayern-munchen-0-1-schalke-04-how-schalke-beat-bayern-%e2%80%93-a-tactical-breakdown/
This was a repeat of last year's semi final, now remembered most for Robben brilliant individual run and winning goal. Bayern came into the match after a dispiriting loss at home to title favorites Dortmund while Schalke and their coach Magath remain under severe pressure to turn out better performances and turn their disappointing season around.
Bayern have not lost a home game in the Cup in over 20 years and it has been some 10 years since they lost back-to-back home matches so they are firm favorites going in. Schalke cannot beat Bayern when it counts. Ever.
https://youtu.be/v7Q3vtuNj9Q
That's some trawl of the archives you're doing there. How about looking for examples of matches where the favourites actually won. It shouldn't be to difficult to find some. ;)
Jim Cramer played centre half back on the Goldman Sachs Dubs that won 29 world series in a row.
https://youtu.be/rOVXh4xM-Ww
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
The GPO's don't turn kids into great players but they do help increase participation and therefore increase the pool of talent. Dublin has a population of 1.5 million and the GAA needs at least 50 GPO's working in that type of population centre. We can and should be increasing the number in other counties but are there clubs in other counties willing to pay half the salary? Is that what other counties even require or are they getting as many players from the schools as they'd likely get anyway?
On the actual game which should be epic, I think Mayo have a great chance. You can't drop off the Dubs and expect to win but Mayo will engage all over the pitch and not give the Dubs the time to use their undoubted skills. I think Mayo will need a goal or two but Dublin will be reintroduced to championship football this Sunday and that might be too much for some.
One sure way for Mayo to win would be if one of the key Dubs was sent off about 10 minutes into the second half.
People getting a bit over excited about Dublin. Fair enough if they continue to dominate over a couple of decades, but it's early days yet in the bigger picture. Over here Kingussie smashed everyone else in shinty for a long time, two waves of talent and an era which pretty much lasted 20 years, but it came to an end and other teams bounced back. We'll see where the Dubs are in the next 10 years or so.
Looking forward to the game on Sunday. Dublin are a great team and I certainly wouldn't begrudge them another title. I don't think though that they are quite as invincible as some suggest. Mayo obviously got very close last year and will hope that the experience will stand to them, as well as the form they have built up on this run. Should be strong mentally after coming over so many bumps on the road. I wonder too are the Dubs getting too much smoke blown up their backside in terms of the semi. They were very good, but Tyrone were garbage. Even accounting for the failure of the system, Tyrone were feeble. I wouldn't be reading too much into the winning margin that day and I would be astonished if Mayo were as passive on Sunday.
All the best to all supporters of both sides, hopefully a great weekend ahead. And I hope Mayo come out with Sam at the end of it.
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
Some people seem to think that Dublin hire a myriad of Donie Buckleys and Mickey Hartes to train our elite players!
They're a bit like teachers. Some are really good, some really put heart and soul into improving the club they are in, and at the other end of the specturm you have the lazy fecks who do as little as possible and make an art of standing around looking busy. What they absolutely do is spread the word and increase the numbers going to GAA versus other sports. What they don't do is take the best players and make them better.
Do other counties not have "coach the coach" type sessions? Ridiculous if that's the case, and not Dublin's fault.
Quote from: Zulu on September 15, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
On the actual game which should be epic, I think Mayo have a great chance. You can't drop off the Dubs and expect to win but Mayo will engage all over the pitch and not give the Dubs the time to use their undoubted skills. I think Mayo will need a goal or two but Dublin will be reintroduced to championship football this Sunday and that might be too much for some.
The other thing that marks Mayo apart is that even if Dublin did go 5 or 6 points ahead, Mayo wouldnt blink. They'd keep going in confidence there'll be a momentum swing the other way at some stage shortly.
I'm always praising Mayo. Didn't doubt for a second they'd make the final last year after the Galway defeat. A bit more doubt this year through their run, but as I said before the semi I'd have preferred Kerry in the final as I think Mayo just match up really well against us.
I think we'll win, but I don't say it with any confidence. It is interesting that so many pundits (this year more than others I think) believe it's Mayo's time. I won't look forward to the celebrations if that comes true!
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Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
Some people seem to think that Dublin hire a myriad of Donie Buckleys and Mickey Hartes to train our elite players!
They're a bit like teachers. Some are really good, some really put heart and soul into improving the club they are in, and at the other end of the specturm you have the lazy fecks who do as little as possible and make an art of standing around looking busy. What they absolutely do is spread the word and increase the numbers going to GAA versus other sports. What they don't do is take the best players and make them better.
Do other counties not have "coach the coach" type sessions? Ridiculous if that's the case, and not Dublin's fault.
Fair dues to Dublin county board for financing so many GDOs and having their house in order. Financing full time employees to spread the games and improve coaching clearly raises level of club teams and individual players. This greatly increases the chances of county teams having better players. It's not the mammy and daddy coached teams of my youth that's for sure.
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
Some people seem to think that Dublin hire a myriad of Donie Buckleys and Mickey Hartes to train our elite players!
They're a bit like teachers. Some are really good, some really put heart and soul into improving the club they are in, and at the other end of the specturm you have the lazy fecks who do as little as possible and make an art of standing around looking busy. What they absolutely do is spread the word and increase the numbers going to GAA versus other sports. What they don't do is take the best players and make them better.
Do other counties not have "coach the coach" type sessions? Ridiculous if that's the case, and not Dublin's fault.
Fair dues to Dublin county board for financing so many GDOs and having their house in order. Financing full time employees to spread the games and improve coaching clearly raises level of club teams and individual players. This greatly increases the chances of county teams having better players. It's not the mammy and daddy coached teams of my youth that's for sure.
Well you should visit a Dublin club, and you'll be pleasanty surprised that it is actually the mammys and daddys doing all the work. The real problem is so many of those mammys and daddys are not Dubs but their sons and daughters are.
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2017, 01:37:52 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 15, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 15, 2017, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on September 14, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Ignoring the people who get paid for physio and other stuff around the senior team (no different than Mayo, Kerry, etc), none of the Dublin players would have received coaching from paid coaches. It would all have been parents over underage club teams and mostly volunteer past players on Dublin development squads.
Geography and population, where we have big numbers and all live within a reasonably close area are the genuine advantages we have (as well as being the best run county board in the country). Our club game at senior level is better than most too. The work that goes in by players at the 16 top senior clubs is unreal, all training 3 /4 times a week, a generation of fitness fanatics with builds that Olympic swimmers would be proud of.
But it'll be 15 v 15 on Sunday (or 21 v 21 by the end), we can't play any more than anyone else, and it'll be a combination of the most talented and hardest working that prevails, and there's never been much between these two teams. And whichever team prevails, the begrudgers can go feck themselves.
So no county board part financed GDOs at Cuala etc have been involved in coaching likes of Con O'Callaghan?
100% correct. No GDO would have taken any underage hurling or football team Con was on at Cuala or in his school. It was always 2/3 parents. When Con was aged between 4 and 7, the GDO would have taken PE at school instead of the teacher for one class every two weeks or so to teach basic skills. These would be more focused at those lacking in skills rather than the likes of Con.
GDOs don't take teams but coach the coaches and take a few sessions implementing best practise and so on, they therefore have a big impact on all club players. Pointless paying out so much on them otherwise.
Just pointing out the inaccurate point that is highlighted above. 50 odd GDOs employed by Dublin county board not having any effect on players coming through would be ~€800,000/ annum poorly spent.
Some people seem to think that Dublin hire a myriad of Donie Buckleys and Mickey Hartes to train our elite players!
They're a bit like teachers. Some are really good, some really put heart and soul into improving the club they are in, and at the other end of the specturm you have the lazy fecks who do as little as possible and make an art of standing around looking busy. What they absolutely do is spread the word and increase the numbers going to GAA versus other sports. What they don't do is take the best players and make them better.
Do other counties not have "coach the coach" type sessions? Ridiculous if that's the case, and not Dublin's fault.
Fair dues to Dublin county board for financing so many GDOs and having their house in order. Financing full time employees to spread the games and improve coaching clearly raises level of club teams and individual players. This greatly increases the chances of county teams having better players. It's not the mammy and daddy coached teams of my youth that's for sure.
Well you should visit a Dublin club, and you'll be pleasanty surprised that it is actually the mammys and daddys doing all the work. The real problem is so many of those mammys and daddys are not Dubs but their sons and daughters are.
Unfortunately I know only too well ;).
GDO powered mammy and daddy central.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
I've two tickets for Whollys thing in the Academy tomorrow evening if anyone wants them? Starts at 6.30
Tickes still available?
Best of luck to everyone lucky enough to get a ticket for Sunday. Hoping for the Dubs to prevail for a famous three-in-a row
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/09/14/news/derry-legend-mckeever-slams-capitalist-gaa-over-all-ireland-ticket-allocations-1135967/
There has been growing controversy over a fundraising breakfast organised by Dublin county board at which businesses paying €2,500 are given the guaranteed option of buying a pack of 10 tickets for Sunday's final.
Something very shady going on here if true.
Quote from: tiempo on September 15, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/09/14/news/derry-legend-mckeever-slams-capitalist-gaa-over-all-ireland-ticket-allocations-1135967/
There has been growing controversy over a fundraising breakfast organised by Dublin county board at which businesses paying €2,500 are given the guaranteed option of buying a pack of 10 tickets for Sunday's final.
Something very shady going on here if true.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=27376.msg1732910#msg1732910
'If true'..
Quote from: tiempo on September 15, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/09/14/news/derry-legend-mckeever-slams-capitalist-gaa-over-all-ireland-ticket-allocations-1135967/
There has been growing controversy over a fundraising breakfast organised by Dublin county board at which businesses paying €2,500 are given the guaranteed option of buying a pack of 10 tickets for Sunday's final.
Something very shady going on here if true.
Somebody should fire off a tweet to "Mossy" Quinn over this.
"Mossy" takes himself very seriously.
He could be the new Pat Hickey.
In terms of the game i was listening to the GAA hour the other day and they reckon Mayo could spring a few more surpises in terms of Lee Keegan at centre forward or a few other big switches. That woukld tie up the sweeper and then in turn O´Shea in at FF with proper support.
Also, and this is a fair point, O´Callaghan and Scully have never been in a real battle. They are class but coming up against the likes of Higgins or Boyle is something totally new.
And in terms of the bench if Gavin needs to bring in subs earlier than planned, these guys have only come on at the tail end of cake walks. I know their ability and mental fortitude can´t be questioned but their match sharpness might not be up to speed.
Quote from: fearsiuil on September 15, 2017, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 14, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
I've two tickets for Whollys thing in the Academy tomorrow evening if anyone wants them? Starts at 6.30
Tickes still available?
Only seeing this now. PW Nally PM'd me at 2.37 so I'll give him first dibs but if he doesn't send me his email in the next half an hour they are yours if that suits. PM me ur email anyway so I can have them ready to go
Edit: Sorry Fearsiuil, PW just got back to me there, tickets gone
Match day details from Croker:
http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-football-finals-match-details/
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Added to the fact that a professional outfit playing at home will be beaten it will be a monstrous achievement.
Mayo had won Leinster in 1981 and had a very good team including Aidan OShea. They were as fit as Dublin and they believed they were as good as them. Dublin were going for 5 in a row. Nobody could beat them.
The match was ebb and flow. Dublin went up 3 points but Mayo pegged them back. Jason Doherty was held in reserve for the last 10 minutes. His instructions were to go for a goal if he got the ball.
https://youtu.be/Wxgju-2xbfQ
There is no way Offaly can beat Kerry on Sunday
The ref would surely spot the push in the back on Philly this time. ;)
Without a doubt. Philly would make sure of that as he'd rolled around the ground clutching his head calling for treatment. Might even be a black card issued
Surely that's COC you're talking about?
Or even JC. But no it was philly I was talking about. Am I wrong ?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on September 15, 2017, 04:44:17 PM
In terms of the game i was listening to the GAA hour the other day and they reckon Mayo could spring a few more surpises in terms of Lee Keegan at centre forward or a few other big switches. That woukld tie up the sweeper and then in turn O´Shea in at FF with proper support.
Also, and this is a fair point, O´Callaghan and Scully have never been in a real battle. They are class but coming up against the likes of Higgins or Boyle is something totally new.
And in terms of the bench if Gavin needs to bring in subs earlier than planned, these guys have only come on at the tail end of cake walks. I know their ability and mental fortitude can´t be questioned but their match sharpness might not be up to speed.
Young O'Callaghan won an All Ireland Club Hurling medal this year and the club hurling championship is no place for wimps.
Also remember that Jason Sherlock played a big part in Dublin's 1995 win straight out of the minors.
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
No surprises there. I think it's the strongest possible side Rochford can put on the field.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
No surprises there. I think it's the strongest possible side Rochford can put on the field.
I don't see how you could say that given DOC's lack of form this year and Loftus starring from the bench, Lar. But knowing Rochford the named team isn't worth the ink it's printed on anyways.
Quote from: Syferus on September 15, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
No surprises there. I think it's the strongest possible side Rochford can put on the field.
I don't see how you could say that given DOC's lack of form this year and Loftus starring from the bench, Lar. But knowing Rochford the named team isn't worth the ink it's printed on anyways.
Given dublins bench we need someone to bring on and i dont fully trust loftus either, now isnt the time to start giving young lads theyre first start. D OC is more of a workhouse anyway
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
No surprises there. I think it's the strongest possible side Rochford can put on the field.
Same starting 15 for the 3rd game running and i agree it has to be regarded as Mayos strongest possible starting side now. Loftus and Durcan are seen as impact subs.
A O'Shea RTE MOTM was 12/1 NOW 14/1/ . This sunday will see Aidan in his prime
Quote from: mayoaremagic on September 15, 2017, 09:52:22 PM
A O'Shea RTE MOTM was 12/1 NOW 14/1/ . This sunday will see Aidan in his prime
I'm expecting that AOS will answer a lot of critics on Sunday. He has never really delivered against the Dubs but I have a sneaky feeling that Sunday will be the day that he does.
Quote from: Syferus on September 15, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2017, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on September 15, 2017, 09:22:07 PM
Mayo first to name a team.
David Clarke (Ballina Stephenites)
Brendan Harrison (Aghamore)
Donal Vaughan (Ballinrobe)
Keith Higgins (Ballyhaunis)
Lee Keegan (Westport)
Chris Barrett (Belmullet)
Colm Boyle (Davitts)
Seamus O'Shea (Breaffy)
Tom Parsons (Charlestown)
Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore)
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
Jason Doherty (Burrishoole)
Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber, captain)
Andy Moran (Ballaghaderreen)
No surprises there. I think it's the strongest possible side Rochford can put on the field.
I don't see how you could say that given DOC's lack of form this year and Loftus starring from the bench, Lar. But knowing Rochford the named team isn't worth the ink it's printed on anyways.
Wonder who will drop from the starting line-up! Rochford loves the mind games. He'd name a the subs bench as starting if he thought it'd be taken half serious.
Expecting a comfortable 3-4 points win. Dubs have not met the type of firepower we are bringing and won't be ready for it. That plus pressure of 3 in a row and that they become shaky enough on AI days gives us the upper hand. When Dubs have 60%+ possession they are almost unbeatable but tomorrow they will have to scrap for every ball and won't have time too set up their chess like moves. Dubs will be under pressure throughout and will make mistakes. We are better prepared more relaxed and with more players showing form. Can't see us blowing this one.
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 16, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
Expecting a comfortable 3-4 points win. Dubs have not met the type of firepower we are bringing and won't be ready for it. That plus pressure of 3 in a row and that they become shaky enough on AI days gives us the upper hand. When Dubs have 60%+ possession they are almost unbeatable but tomorrow they will have to scrap for every ball and won't have time too set up their chess like moves. Dubs will be under pressure throughout and will make mistakes. We are better prepared more relaxed and with more players showing form. Can't see us blowing this one.
Most of the optimism of Mayo supporters seems to be based on a feeling that the team is on a relentless upward curve of form. What if Mayo has already peaked?
COYBIB
Right yer mans in goals so ok. Whatever happens mayo - no excuses- no teary letters of self pity to the public after the game. No no shows from o Shea, big day from keegan, no own goals , no early goals, no boxing, somebody keep the correct time and I'm sure yes will win. Best of luck!
Dublin Buy Another Title Shocker!
Who cares if they do a three-in-a-row? Da Dubs are a Croke Park project and every person sitting at the top table should be ashamed of the manner in which this current funding is continued.
Any GAA person worth their salt would not be happy with the way Dublin are gathering up titles, but then again, we're talking about Cromwell's Cohorts here..........
Also, a (recent?) interview with John Costello stating that Dublin funding will not be reduced in the future. So the Dublin CB are dictating terms to CP?
Quote from: Dave like the tv channel on September 16, 2017, 08:01:01 AM
Dublin Buy Another Title Shocker!
Who cares if they do a three-in-a-row? Da Dubs are a Croke Park project and every person sitting at the top table should be ashamed of the manner in which this current funding is continued.
Any GAA person worth their salt would not be happy with the way Dublin are gathering up titles, but then again, we're talking about Cromwell's Cohorts here..........
Also, a (recent?) interview with John Costello stating that Dublin funding will not be reduced in the future. So the Dublin CB are dictating terms to CP?
They could end the year with a Leinster to their name
Quote from: Mayo Mick on September 16, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
Expecting a comfortable 3-4 points win. Dubs have not met the type of firepower we are bringing and won't be ready for it. That plus pressure of 3 in a row and that they become shaky enough on AI days gives us the upper hand. When Dubs have 60%+ possession they are almost unbeatable but tomorrow they will have to scrap for every ball and won't have time too set up their chess like moves. Dubs will be under pressure throughout and will make mistakes. We are better prepared more relaxed and with more players showing form. Can't see us blowing this one.
This post would give you the jitters as it reads like it was taken straight from the Dublin Tyrone semi with the name changed!
5 years ago Galway hurlers and Mayo footballers got to their respective all ireland finals under dynamic young mould-breaking managers. They both got close but lacked experience. Over the next few years they went on the circuit building up experience. They played against the best. They had some sickening defeats. By a point. They came back. They got rid of the manager. They regrouped. They introduced better players. They did the gym work. They served their time.
Galway reached the promised land recently . Mayo can do it it tomorrow.
Nár laga Dia sibh
Both Sam and Liam going to Connacht in the same season. That would be a first.
Good luck to all Mayo supporters travelling to Croke Park. It's a great privilege for both sets of supporters to be still in with a chance of taking the big one in mid-September. We'll all be hoping for the best for our own team and at this time the day before we can all live in hope. Enjoy the feeling.
COYBIB
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin have been challenged and tested. They passed with flying colours.
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin aren't going in under-cooked. They're going in as head-and-shoulders the best team of their generation, as evidenced by how they've dispatched the teams below them this year and in previous years. Lazy analysis #1 is always "They haven't had a test! They should be worried!" yet Dublin have rarely been troubled in the last six seasons but it hasn't stopped them winning four AIs and all finals they've contested.
I think anyone who is honestly confident of a Mayo victory looking at both teams' form has lost the plot.
To be blunt, there's more chance of this developing into a two goal plus rout for Dublin than there is of Mayo actually winning.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin aren't going in under-cooked. They're going in as head-and-shoulders the best team of their generation, as evidenced by how they've dispatched the teams below them this year and in previous years. Lazy analysis #1 is always "They haven't had a test! They should be worried!" yet Dublin have rarely been troubled in the last six seasons but it hasn't stopped them winning four AIs and all finals they've contested.
I think anyone who is honestly confident of a Mayo victory looking at both teams' form has lost the plot.
To be blunt, there's more chance of this developing into a two goal plus rout for Dublin than there is of Mayo actually winning.
May you be as wrong as you were about the 2016 Connacht Final! ;D
Peace, glorious peace for about a fortnight afterwards.Yipeee!
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin undercooked - where have you been for the last few years. I think that you're displaying the "irrational exuberance" that we get from some Mayo supporters about this time every year.
COYBIB
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 16, 2017, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin undercooked - where have been for the last few years. I think that you're displaying the "irrational exuberance" that we get from some Mayo supporters about this time every year.
COYBIB
It's Poetic Commotion.
The West awakes. Galway for Liam. Mayo for Sam. Mayo will say no to Dublins 3 in a row.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin aren't going in under-cooked. They're going in as head-and-shoulders the best team of their generation, as evidenced by how they've dispatched the teams below them this year and in previous years. Lazy analysis #1 is always "They haven't had a test! They should be worried!" yet Dublin have rarely been troubled in the last six seasons but it hasn't stopped them winning four AIs and all finals they've contested.
I think anyone who is honestly confident of a Mayo victory looking at both teams' form has lost the plot.
To be blunt, there's more chance of this developing into a two goal plus rout for Dublin than there is of Mayo actually winning.
May you be as wrong as you were about the 2016 Connacht Final! ;D
Peace, glorious peace for about a fortnight afterwards.Yipeee!
Except the game was a draw and I made a thread the very next day after the replay, which I told you the last time you brought up that nonsense.
I'd like Mayo to win but whatever way you cut it just about everything is against them winning this one. Four years ago was the moment Mayo should have beaten Dublin on this stage.
Dubs team ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg)
I am convinced that Dermo will start.
Dublin now given the kiss of death by both Fearon and Syferus, If Mayo don't win this final now then they are definitely cursed.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2017, 12:00:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2017, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: cicfada on September 16, 2017, 10:36:21 AM
I've never been as confident of a Mayo win in an AI final as I am
now. They have the experience , talent and so many lessons learnt .Dublin are going in undercooked and have yet to be challenged in any match . They are about to get tested tomorrow . 3/1 is a super price and I have laid a tidy sum on them to win. Good luck to Mayo in completing the western double and safe home to all fans .
Dublin aren't going in under-cooked. They're going in as head-and-shoulders the best team of their generation, as evidenced by how they've dispatched the teams below them this year and in previous years. Lazy analysis #1 is always "They haven't had a test! They should be worried!" yet Dublin have rarely been troubled in the last six seasons but it hasn't stopped them winning four AIs and all finals they've contested.
I think anyone who is honestly confident of a Mayo victory looking at both teams' form has lost the plot.
To be blunt, there's more chance of this developing into a two goal plus rout for Dublin than there is of Mayo actually winning.
May you be as wrong as you were about the 2016 Connacht Final! ;D
Peace, glorious peace for about a fortnight afterwards.Yipeee!
Except the game was a draw and I made a thread the very next day after the replay, which I told you the last time you brought up that nonsense.
I'd like Mayo to win but whatever way you cut it just about everything is against them winning this one. Four years ago was the moment Mayo should have beaten Dublin on this stage.
;D ;D
Now, now don't be like that Syf. Being catty doesn't suit you at all, at all. You may have made a reply the day after the replay but I do know you took a sabbatical and didn't re-appear again for at least a fortnight. The sense of relief throughout the entire county was palpable and all members on this board scarcely believed their luck. Enda rang to ask me if he should declare a public holiday but I knew things were too good to last. So we went off and had a few pints and then I decided that we were going to miss you if you stayed away too long.
Unfortunately, you didn't.
Ah, well.....
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 16, 2017, 01:18:48 PM
Dubs team ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg)
I am convinced that Dermo will start.
I hope he does! He's always a Red card waiting to happen!
Dublin seem to be better than last year as they have received no test at all. They have all the experience they need on the subs bench but I still maintain that Mayo will be ready for them. I could be wrong and Dublin could win at a canter but I just feel that all these matches and tests will stand to Mayo. I wouldn't be surprised to see all those stars on the Dubs bench on the field earlier than expected .
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2017, 02:08:33 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 16, 2017, 01:18:48 PM
Dubs team ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ12iDIW0AAoygE?format=jpg)
I am convinced that Dermo will start.
I hope he does! He's always a Red card waiting to happen!
DC/MOM
Enjoy the day ;)
I can't see Gavin starting Connolly after him having not played for almost 4 months, Flynn or Mcmanamon to start
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2017, 01:39:26 PM
Dublin now given the kiss of death by both Fearon and Syferus, If Mayo don't win this final now then they are definitely cursed.
For someone a bit obsessed with me you somehow missed the fact I've said Dublin would win this AI since the third Sunday of September last year.. poor show.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
I can't see Gavin starting Connolly after him having not played for almost 4 months, Flynn or Mcmanamon to start
Nor can I see Connolly starting especially now when his marker Keegan is 100% fit unlike the Kerry games. Mcmanamon like loftus will be a impact sub more than a starter I'd say.
Maigh Eo abú
https://youtu.be/LODkVkpaVQA
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 16, 2017, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
I can't see Gavin starting Connolly after him having not played for almost 4 months, Flynn or Mcmanamon to start
Nor can I see Connolly starting especially now when his marker Keegan is 100% fit unlike the Kerry games. Mcmanamon like loftus will be a impact sub more than a starter I'd say.
Keegan spending his day chasing Connolly wouldn't do Mayo much good.
Mayo are apparently going to line Keegan out as the Bodach
Mayo have shown they're well fit for Dublin in the past but time will tell whether Dublin have pulled away from everyone this year.
I can see it being ding dong for 50 odd minutes but Dublin pulling away and winning by 8 or 9.
The night before... here we go again :'(
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 16, 2017, 08:30:25 PM
Mayo have shown they're well fit for Dublin in the past but time will tell whether Dublin have pulled away from everyone this year.
I can see it being ding dong for 50 odd minutes but Dublin pulling away and winning by 8 or 9.
I can see it over by eight minutes, hope I am wrong, a team that should have been beaten by Derry playing this Dublin team should get destroyed, I hope not, c'mon mayo.
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 16, 2017, 08:30:25 PM
Mayo have shown they're well fit for Dublin in the past but time will tell whether Dublin have pulled away from everyone this year.
I can see it being ding dong for 50 odd minutes but Dublin pulling away and winning by 8 or 9.
I can see it over by eight minutes, hope I am wrong, a team that should have been beaten by Derry playing this Dublin team should get destroyed, I hope not, c'mon mayo.
I think it's fair to say Mayo are a completely different team compared to the early qualifier rounds. They upped it in the replay against Roscommon steamrolling past them and the scoreboard didn't do justice to how dominant they were against Kerry.
It remains to be seen how far ahead Dublin are of everyone else or how far ahead Dublin and Mayo are of anyone else. Personally I think Dublin have probably stepped it up this year which is worrying for the game. Their bench is so strong that it has to have a psychological impact on the opposition that even if they are in bother they have five or six pedigree game changers on the bench ready to come in.
Mayo deserve credit for the way they keep coming back and sustaining their levels but I feel as if their best chances have passed.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 16, 2017, 01:39:26 PM
Dublin now given the kiss of death by both Fearon and Syferus, If Mayo don't win this final now then they are definitely cursed.
For someone a bit obsessed with me you somehow missed the fact I've said Dublin would win this AI since the third Sunday of September last year.. poor show.
Don't flatter yourself. I didn't miss the fact that you totally wrote Kerry off before this year Division one league final.
Just make it quick and painless 😧
Hon Mayo! Drive it in to them!
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 08:40:50 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 16, 2017, 08:30:25 PM
Mayo have shown they're well fit for Dublin in the past but time will tell whether Dublin have pulled away from everyone this year.
I can see it being ding dong for 50 odd minutes but Dublin pulling away and winning by 8 or 9.
I can see it over by eight minutes, hope I am wrong, a team that should have been beaten by Derry playing this Dublin team should get destroyed, I hope not, c'mon mayo.
Was it not after 8 minutes last year? Every time Mayo line up against the Dubs, the prediction by the majority it seems is a hammering match. In the last 3 games, 2 points total has separated the teams (in 225+ minutes of football, and thats with Mayo giving them a 2 goal start in one of the games). Dublin are continually improving, but Mayo have improved on last year as well. Doherty and Moran flying in attack for example. I'm not sure who'll win but there will only be a kick of a ball between the teams.. Maybe even after a reply c'mon Mayo!
We will win by 4
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on September 16, 2017, 08:55:56 PM
Just make it quick and painless 😧
I hear ya
Been a long road since 88 for me. I won't make it tomorrow, but what ever happens I for one will be proud of this team for what they have achieved and the commitment the players have shown.
Good luck to everyone traveling, I hope our lads give it all they've got.
Give them hell
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!
Quote from: under the bar on September 16, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!
Myth exposed.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-players-day-jobs-like-counties-heres-proof-136986
Dublin players and management are very much GAA people and true Gaels. They should be applauded and not insulted by ignorance.
But it will come down to footballing ability and Dublin have the better players and know how, Dubs to win by more than 1 this time, but best of luck to Mayo, I wouldn't begrudge if ye won it.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 16, 2017, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 16, 2017, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 16, 2017, 02:44:46 PM
I can't see Gavin starting Connolly after him having not played for almost 4 months, Flynn or Mcmanamon to start
Nor can I see Connolly starting especially now when his marker Keegan is 100% fit unlike the Kerry games. Mcmanamon like loftus will be a impact sub more than a starter I'd say.
Keegan spending his day chasing Connolly wouldn't do Mayo much good.
Ah, he won't be chasing Dermo at all.
He'll have him in his pocket, from the throw-in to the long whistle, like he has done many times before! ;D
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 16, 2017, 11:24:50 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 16, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!
Myth exposed.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-players-day-jobs-like-counties-heres-proof-136986
Dublin players and management are very much GAA people and true Gaels. They should be applauded and not insulted by ignorance.
But it will come down to footballing ability and Dublin have the better players and know how, Dubs to win by more than 1 this time, but best of luck to Mayo, I wouldn't begrudge if ye won it.
I'd say a lot of those Dublin players are employed in those jobs in the same way mobsters were on the payroll of sanitation companies during the Mafia's height in America.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 17, 2017, 01:50:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 16, 2017, 11:24:50 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 16, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!
Myth exposed.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-players-day-jobs-like-counties-heres-proof-136986
Dublin players and management are very much GAA people and true Gaels. They should be applauded and not insulted by ignorance.
But it will come down to footballing ability and Dublin have the better players and know how, Dubs to win by more than 1 this time, but best of luck to Mayo, I wouldn't begrudge if ye won it.
I'd say a lot of those Dublin players are employed in those jobs in the same way mobsters were on the payroll of sanitation companies during the Mafia's height in America.
Haha...a buddy of mine is a big wig at AIG and recently spent a few days at Doonbeg where got to hang out with the "AIG Backed All Ireland Champions Dublin".....he even got a brand spanking new Dublin AIG "Shirt" (jersey). He asked me if I wanted it because as a New York Jew living in FL he wouldn't have too many occasions to wear it. We've come a long way from the time Jimmy Burke missed the Connaught Final due to a back injury sustained while pulling a calf
Though Dublin are the better team and squad I think Mayo match up well and can win. Mayo need a bit more to go right than Dublin to win but I think they can bring Dublin to a place that will make them uncomfortable. Mayo to win.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. >:(
Safe travel to all Mayo and Dubkin supporters today.
Im going to change my initial prediction of Dublin by 5 to Dublin 2-16 Mayo 1-15
An opening similar to the 96 final would fairly unsettle the Dubs. C'mon Mayo
So 11 or 12 of the Dublin panel of 26 have so called real jobs with a few students trown in, what about the rest ? A professional Dublin team to win today and the amateur gaa headquarters will stick their head in the sand.
Here it is. All form and logic says a Dublin win, but the heart really railing against this, more so than other years. We really have to get it all right, on the sideline and the pitch, no room for errors or for non performers. Do all that and get a little bit of luck, after a tight match with hunger to decide it, Mayo by two. Safe travels to all supporters.
Paddy Power have a draw at 9/1. Definitely worth a go I think.
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
According to the Mayo sec's report last year, Mayo spent well over a million in team expenses. But that included all teams, underage and ladies, U21s, minors etc.
Going by some Dub poster on a previous, similar thread, Dublin spent over a million on the senior GAA team.
Both figures seem credible to me.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
According to the Mayo sec's report last year, Mayo spent well over a million in team expenses. But that included all teams, underage and ladies, U21s, minors etc.
Going by some Dub poster on a previous, similar thread, Dublin spent over a million on the senior GAA team.
Both figures seem credible to me.
Can we not just enjoy the prospect of the game and stop the bitching? I'm off to Croker.
Best of luck to our neighbours - travel safe everyone.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
According to the Mayo sec's report last year, Mayo spent well over a million in team expenses. But that included all teams, underage and ladies, U21s, minors etc.
Going by some Dub poster on a previous, similar thread, Dublin spent over a million on the senior GAA team.
Both figures seem credible to me.
Travel expenses for a Connacht team would be far higher than Dublin's too - which makes you wonder how big the gap in what's being spent on preparation between #1 and #2 is, let alone other supposedly competive teams in the top two divisions.
Talent wins games. Money wins championships.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 17, 2017, 01:50:10 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 16, 2017, 11:24:50 PM
Quote from: under the bar on September 16, 2017, 11:08:36 PM
Virtual professionals of Dublin v Amateurs of Mayo is hardly a level playing field but let's hope the real Gaels can give it a rattle!
Myth exposed.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.sportsjoe.ie/amp/gaa/dublin-players-day-jobs-like-counties-heres-proof-136986
Dublin players and management are very much GAA people and true Gaels. They should be applauded and not insulted by ignorance.
But it will come down to footballing ability and Dublin have the better players and know how, Dubs to win by more than 1 this time, but best of luck to Mayo, I wouldn't begrudge if ye won it.
I'd say a lot of those Dublin players are employed in those jobs in the same way mobsters were on the payroll of sanitation companies during the Mafia's height in America.
Would ye aye?
Quote from: giveballaghback on September 17, 2017, 10:57:07 AM
So 11 or 12 of the Dublin panel of 26 have so called real jobs with a few students trown in, what about the rest ? A professional Dublin team to win today and the amateur gaa headquarters will stick their head in the sand.
Similar to most panels. Are you going to post the Mayo professions
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 17, 2017, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
According to the Mayo sec's report last year, Mayo spent well over a million in team expenses. But that included all teams, underage and ladies, U21s, minors etc.
Going by some Dub poster on a previous, similar thread, Dublin spent over a million on the senior GAA team.
Both figures seem credible to me.
Can we not just enjoy the prospect of the game and stop the bitching? I'm off to Croker.
??? ;D
I am certainly not bitching about anything. Why don't you read the post I was replying ?
Yes, it is time to forget about slagging and pseudo insults and the likes. I just hope we have a memorable game, played in the right spirit and free from rancour and bitchiness.
AS always, I hope nobody feels insulted about anything i have written about this game. A b it of a row helps me to pass the time and I don't take anything I said or I received in reply very seriously.
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 01:17:48 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 12:10:31 PM
Alot giving out about Dublin been a professional team, sure through in the towel before the game starts, i like to see Mayo's expenditure for the year, am sure its not too far behind Dublin
According to the Mayo sec's report last year, Mayo spent well over a million in team expenses. But that included all teams, underage and ladies, U21s, minors etc.
Going by some Dub poster on a previous, similar thread, Dublin spent over a million on the senior GAA team.
Both figures seem credible to me.
Travel expenses for a Connacht team would be far higher than Dublin's too - which makes you wonder how big the gap in what's being spent on preparation between #1 and #2 is, let alone other supposedly competive teams in the top two divisions.
Talent wins games. Money wins championships.
When did the Dubs hurlers last win the hurling Syf?
They've gone from losing to Antrim/Laois for decades to winning a League and a Leinster......
O Gara in for Dublin and Durcan in for Mayo.
Dermot not wearing his team gear, throwing the toys out of the pram?
Was that Andrews that didn't shake hands with O'C?
Holy feck!!!
Balls
Didn't take long for Con O'Callaghan to put his mark on this final.
That was a serious finish. McCaffrey looks like he's gone.
Jack McCaffrey going off a big blow to Dublin and a big boost to Mayo.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 17, 2017, 03:37:45 PM
Jack McCaffrey going off a big blow to Dublin and a big boost to Mayo.
I think it's completely matterless.
Dublin Joe at it again...
13 mins in Dublins only score that O'Callaghan goal!
Some poor shooting.
Rock shitting the togs
If Mickey Harte is watching he'll hopefully note what happens when you leave more than 1 forward in the opposition's half. Dublin having to leave men back is hampering their forward running game big time.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 17, 2017, 03:49:41 PM
If Mickey Harte is watching he'll hopefully note what happens when you leave more than 1 forward in the opposition's half. Dublin having to leave men back is hampering their forward running game big time.
Correct and putting pressure on Cluxtons kickouts is really hurting Dublin as well, this game is shaping up to be an instant classic, warts and all, C;mon Mayo.
Johnny Cooper with a full on dive. Trump woild call him a cynical loser.
Dublin rattled here. Main Mayo players all playing well.
Mayo really up for this!! Come on to feck!!
Wouldn't rule out a sneaky Dub goal before HT.
O'gara not working. Not at same level as the rest of dublin forwards at all.
CoC letting his team down at the minute. That's two bad misses now.
Mayo can't miss frees like that ffs
COC blowing hot and cold again. Give the frees to Doherty ffs
The worry from a Mayo pov is they've expended a huge amount of energy with the pressing tactics of the first half but are only 1 ahead. Dublin have massive options for the second half.
CoC misses another.
Filthy face grab by O'Gara.
Mayo with great pressure and getting up in the Dubs faces. Something Tyrone were sorely lacking in.
To be honest i think mayo should take coc off.
Ogara is not at this level at all.
O Gara poor form
Cillian has the me fein hat on today >:(
What the f**k Joe???
Vaughan has very poor discipline. Shunted your man in the back and not the first time.
Dublin Joe
Dublin Joe at it again
A deserved half time lead its Mayos All Ireland final to lose now. Few if any of Dublins key players performing well, lack of testing game coming into this final hurting Dublin badly now.
Mc quillan at it yet again. Part of the problem. Always has been.
So it is true, he is Dublin Joe
Somebody give the ref a blue jersey!!
Mc Quillan doing his damnedest to spoil this. Feck him anyway!
COC is such an overrated player. Done nothing again today.
Mayo have them on the rack. It's now or never.
Jesus there's a bag of cynicism in that game. O gara coming in over the top with the knee was worse than the face grab. He should have been sent off.
Ogara ahould be watching it at this point!
Mcquillian doing Dublin no harm so far, a few very dubious ones going there way and ogara a lucky boy to get away with that.
Rhubarbs should be further ahead. Dublin Joe is right.
Quote from: omagh_gael on September 17, 2017, 03:53:46 PM
Johnny Cooper with a full on dive. Trump woild call him a cynical loser.
you mean after Moran crashed into him from behind?
Impressive first half from Mayo, Lee Keegan has totally nullified Ciaran Kilkenny leading to the Dublin forward line malfunctioning. Dublin Joe keeping them in it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2017, 04:08:45 PM
To be honest i think mayo should take coc off.
Ogara is not at this level at all.
Agree with both points. Both those players are weak links so far. Mcmenamin or connolly would be much better than ogara. Loftus for coc would improve mayo
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
Jesus there's a bag of cynicism in that game. O gara coming in over the top with the knee was worse than the face grab. He should have been sent off.
It's gouging not a face grab.
Last free in given was an awful call.
'Dublin Joe' missing a few obvious frees for Dublin and some off the ball stuff form Mayo
It's about time someone showed Donie Vaughan how to tackle - making it easy for McQuillan. Mayo have expended a lot to only be 1 pt up.
A bit like the Kerry drawn game, Mayo better but can't shake the opponent. Unlike the Kerry game, Dublin have much more in them.
The final 15 will be the killer for Mayo when the Dublin bench has been unloaded. Boyle, SOS, AOS only have 55 minutes in them at this pace in them so they will either need to be subbed or space will open up for the aforementioned Dublin subs and make matters even worse.
Boyle, Durcan and Vaughan are all very loose man-markers and I'd expect them to be exposed more in the second half.
Officials will do their best for the dubs. Year in year out. Keegan i predict to have the first second yellow. O gara should be off the field. Mayo denied frees they should have had dubs getting frees they shouldn't. Keep dubs in the game even when they play poor.
Quote from: shark on September 17, 2017, 04:14:51 PM
Last free in given was an awful call.
If Vaughan hadn't run into Kilkenny's back no free would have been given
O'Gara should be off tho. Not that he ever should have been on the pitch in the first place
Subs will be crucial. Dubs finally get a match
Dubs once again very cynical, systematic fouling to try and stop Mayo getting out of defence and a lot of holding off the ball. They are a great team but it's frustrating that they never get called out for this. They are rattled but it's a shame Mayo aren't further ahead.
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Last free in given was an awful call.
If Vaughan hadn't run into Kilkenny's back no free would have been given
It was a clear free
Lot of shite talk about Dublin forwards being the best of all time. By such hyperbole then the Keegan, Boyle, Higgins axis must be at demigod status.
If it wasn't for old mate COC, Mayo could almost be out of sight already.
It's hardly news to anyone who has watched football in the last ten years, but Eoghan O'Gara is genuinely awful.
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Last free in given was an awful call.
If Vaughan hadn't run into Kilkenny's back no free would have been given
It was a clear free
He already had 4 steps taken when andrews flattened him. He got up and took another couple.
It should have been a free out for over carrying.
Shocking bad call.
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Last free in given was an awful call.
If Vaughan hadn't run into Kilkenny's back no free would have been given
It was a clear free
He already had 4 steps taken when andrews flattened him. He got up and took another couple.
It should have been a free out for over carrying.
Shocking bad call.
Terrible call and he's dishing out yellows like confetti
I hope Dublin joe doesn't ruin this today.
There be a man lined; too many yellow cards in not a dirty game and missed the straightforward red card+
Joe brollys a **** too, sneering remark there about Imelda May. Like a kid in the playground.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 04:25:48 PM
There be a man lined; too many yellow cards in not a dirty game and missed the straightforward red card+
This is a hellaciously dirty game. There's serious sledgers on both sides.
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2017, 04:27:33 PM
Joe brollys a **** too, sneering remark there about Imelda May. Like a kid in the playground.
just said the same, par for the course with Joe
What odds on Conolly to get sent off?
Now Connolly's on what's the odds of himself and Keegan getting yellow carded together for something off the ball and Mayo being down to 14?
AOS lucky he avoided a black card.
Next half hour to show if Mayo have the heads right
Both keepers stopping goals.
Ahh shoulda rattled that one
Vaughan's discipline is shocking.
Could be 14 each.
Dublin down to 14. Vaughan stupid in front of the ref another red.
Vaughan is an idiot.
Stupidity of the highest order there by Vaughan
Can't believe Vaughan has done that. There's always one idiot from Mayo when it comes to all Ireland finals.
He didn't do that and mayo could have one.
Getting away from them now.
Stupid surely, but that's not a red card.
Complete cop out from Mcquillian
Need drop oshea into full forward and moran play off him; hes slowing it down too much out the field
If Vaughan hadn't done that, no way would be have had the balls to give Small the second yellow.
Think a yellow would have sufficed for Vaughan. It was a charge rather than a strike.
How much longer can COC stay on the field?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on September 17, 2017, 04:47:53 PM
Stupid surely, but that's not a red card.
Complete cop out from Mcquillian
Stonewall red.
Lee Keegan goal Mayo ahead again!
Quality of subs not as good for mayo.
Andy moran player of year no matter what.
A lot of kickouts gone backwards. They have to go forward. Basic rule.
Quote from: mrdeeds on September 17, 2017, 04:53:45 PM
A lot of kickouts gone backwards. They have to go forward. Basic rule.
they don't
Durcan and McLoughlin have been brilliant for Mayo.
Scandalous not to give penalty there.
7 mins to play. Mayo two up.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Scandalous not to give penalty there.
Correct, ref had been brilliant up to that.
Mayo running on fumes and sheer force of will driving them on, what a game! come on Mayo.
1 point now.
Level again 4 mins to play.
Level again 2 mins to play.
How many steps for rock score??
Right call not to take coc off...
Needed that from O'Connor after a few aimless attacks from Mayo.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2017, 05:03:53 PM
How many steps for rock score??
Right call not to take coc off...
I wish Mayo would pressure the kickouts again.
Mayo need to get this done today, come on Mayo, you have been brilliant, get er over the line!
Not sure i can watch this
Level 5 mins of injury time to play.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 17, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
Not sure i can watch this
Mayo cant buy a break! f**k me, at what point do the catch a break!
Have a bad feeling here.
Shite
McCarthy has been quietly brilliant all day.
Barrett too.
This will not be missed.
Balls
Dublin one up and 6 mins of injured time played.
Dublin just edged it but not sure where the 6 mins of extra time came from
Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
Dublin Joe does he's job again. Disgusting performance. Corporate GAA is a joke.
Joe wins another Sam for Dublin. The p***k.
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2017, 05:16:06 PM
Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
No that is not correct!! I'm as neutral as anyone and Mayo came up just short I actually think Joe was very good today!! Donie Vaughan is some stupid ****!!
Ref kept Dublin in it in the first half. A disgrace. A shameful day for the gaa. Rotten
Hard luck to Mayo didn't deserve to lose that final as simple as that.
Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
Christ I've never seen a finish like that going so fast backwards.
Wtf was Clarke trying with the kickout.
Some stones from Rock to nail it after a few dodgy ones earlier in the game.
Vaughan and Mayo continue to find new and interesting ways to lose All-Ireland finals.
Commiserations lads. Ye done just about everything ye could over so many years. It just wasn't to be for these lads.
Fair play to Dublin Mayo gave it all but were completed gassed at the the end.
McQuillian is a farce not really his fault im sure even he knows he's useless but he keeps getting the game
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Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
No that is not correct!! I'm as neutral as anyone and Mayo came up just short I actually think Joe was very good today!! Donie Vaughan is some stupid ****!!
Joe gave them a nothing free in first half turns out that point won instead of a draw
Dublin bench is stronger to
Brilliant performance from Mayo. McQuillan bottled the penalty call with 10 minutes left that could have put them 4 up. Dublin are class in fairness.
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Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
No that is not correct!! I'm as neutral as anyone and Mayo came up just short I actually think Joe was very good today!! Donie Vaughan is some stupid ****!!
Really stupid form vaughan, but no way that's a red card for me. It just gave mcquillian a get of jail when sending small off.
If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
I'm truly heartbroken :'(
Rock wasn't under real pressure as scores were level.
O'Connor should have played that free across to the centre...
They came up short again as they've done so often.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
Are you one of those lads that brings everything back to Tyrone? (and I'm a Tyrone man myself). Canavan's was more straightforward and it doesn't matter anyway.
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Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
No that is not correct!! I'm as neutral as anyone and Mayo came up just short I actually think Joe was very good today!! Donie Vaughan is some stupid ****!!
Agreed, he made mistakes but didn't favour either team. Great game, brilliant to see 2 teams going toe to toe instead of the shite tyrone served up in the semifinal.
Barrett MOTM for me.
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Dublin joe robs mayo. f**k him f**k him anyway.
No that is not correct!! I'm as neutral as anyone and Mayo came up just short I actually think Joe was very good today!! Donie Vaughan is some stupid ****!!
Joe gave them a nothing free in first half turns out that point won instead of a draw
Dublin bench is stronger to
Missed a blatant off the ball foul in build up to a Mayo score in the first half
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 17, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
I've given COC plenty of abuse over the years, today included, but he stepped up in the second half today unlike any of the other forwards. That was a tough free and the rest of Mayo lads sat watching it and failed to react.
If Vaughan had half a brain he would have left alone and realised your man was getting the line!!
PS. What a game of football!! Mayo had chances they've only themselves to blame!!
Hopefully that will have put Mayo away for a long time. Will be doubly hard for them to recover from that one.
That's incredibly cruel on Mayo.
Quote from: clarshack on September 17, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
Coc was heroic in the 2nd half. Hit the inside of the post with a very difficult free. Thought someone should have been competing for rebound.
Should they gave taken off Boyle? Why the lad that played well in the semi not come into midfield; should oshea not been in full forward last 10mins to vary the play? The wait goes on; Dublin were better 2nd half but i got a feeling Mayo got rode hard; look at some of the dubs frees they compare them to the tackling on Aiden OShea
Joe got bought by the team with millions and endless supplies of EPO!!
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Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
Are you one of those lads that brings everything back to Tyrone? (and I'm a Tyrone man myself). Canavan's was more straightforward and it doesn't matter anyway.
Yup there's always one who has to do that.
Hard luck to all the Mayo lads on here. Devastated for ye.
Quote from: screenexile on September 17, 2017, 05:23:55 PM
If Vaughan had half a brain he would have left alone and realised your man was getting the line!!
PS. What a game of football!! Mayo had chances they've only themselves to blame!!
I don't disagree, but that doesn't make it a red card.
Well done to mayo
Not bad for a bunch of amateur sportsman to run Dublin to a point
Moral victors for sure
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Cillian O'Connor is a choker. Had free in same spot that Peter Canavan scored against Armagh.
Are you one of those lads that brings everything back to Tyrone? (and I'm a Tyrone man myself). Canavan's was more straightforward and it doesn't matter anyway.
Yup there's always one who has to do that.
Hard luck to all the Mayo lads on here. Devastated for ye.
COC also missed very scorable free in 1st half.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
The rock one was coming back for a free anyway.
Mayo didn't win because of their own ill discipline. Not the ref
Need see a better replay of it; shoulder to chest by small def yellow! Vaughan charge on small if forearm to face red; if to the chest yellow!
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
He doesn't. You're right.
Had that been Small's first yellow, Vaughan would have stayed on. Small went, so made it easy for Joe to dismiss Vaughan.
Forget splitting Dublin it's time to amalgamate the rest of the country.
Is the man of the match an honour assured only for the victors. If so it's a load of shite.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
He doesn't. You're right.
Had that been Small's first yellow, Vaughan would have stayed on. Small went, so made it easy for Joe to dismiss Vaughan.
Exactly.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Quote from: rrhf on September 17, 2017, 05:32:13 PM
Is the man of the match an honour assured only for the victors. If so it's a load of shite.
Think James McCarthy should get it.
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If Vaughan had half a brain he would have left alone and realised your man was getting the line!!
PS. What a game of football!! Mayo had chances they've only themselves to blame!!
I don't disagree, but that doesn't make it a red card.
Thought it was a yellow too but it gave McQuillan an easy way out - easier to send off 1 from each team. Like the way he gave a free in when it should have been a penalty. Seems very petty to be talking about the ref after an epic match but he bottled the crucial calls.
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If Vaughan had half a brain he would have left alone and realised your man was getting the line!!
PS. What a game of football!! Mayo had chances they've only themselves to blame!!
I don't disagree, but that doesn't make it a red card.
Thought it was a yellow too but it gave McQuillan an easy way out - easier to send off 1 from each team. Like the way he gave a free in when it should have been a penalty. Seems very petty to be talking about the ref after an epic match but he bottled the crucial calls.
He always did bottle them. Brutal referee.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
He doesn't. You're right.
Had that been Small's first yellow, Vaughan would have stayed on. Small went, so made it easy for Joe to dismiss Vaughan.
Exactly.
That's my take on it to
Only question is what did small get first yellow for
He was waving his yellow at anything with a pulse for the first twenty
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
Need see a better replay of it; shoulder to chest by small def yellow! Vaughan charge on small if forearm to face red; if to the chest yellow!
Harsh enough for Vaughan but the sheer stupidity of it, it's so typical of what Mayo do themselves year on year. They're more than good enough.
Game of fine margins but Mayo always seem to press self destruct.
Congratulations to the Dubs, came up with the points to win it in the closing stages. 3 in a row a terrific achievement and I'm sure they will be back in contention for 4.
Commiserations to Mayo. Madness from Vaughan unfortunately. But a terrific performance. I hope this team has more left in the tank.
Dublin winners by a point two years in a row. That alone shows we don't need to be splitting the county in two. They aren't that far ahead. And for all the wailing about the sport in general, that was fantastic entertainment.
Hard luck Mayo, I'm gutted for them.
I don't know how much more ye can take. If it's any consolation ye put in a great performance.
Joe can't seem to talk to players and explain things, settle the players and the game down. He just shows yellows. Must be frustrating for players to hear very little explanations for his calls. Poor poor ref.
Barrett MOTM today for sure. Andy Moran the footballer of the year certainly. C O Connor the top scoring forward by a distance. Mayo played a near perfect game today they didn't allow Dublin to play well. Heartbreaking stuff for them but i have no doubt they will be back again next year and there or thereabout again.
Credit to both sides a great AI final that had almost everything. Congrats to Dublin 3 in a row a serious achievement
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference
Still doesn't excuse another wrong call.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
Need see a better replay of it; shoulder to chest by small def yellow! Vaughan charge on small if forearm to face red; if to the chest yellow!
Harsh enough for Vaughan but the sheer stupidity of it, it's so typical of what Mayo do themselves year on year. They're more than good enough.
Game of fine margins but Mayo always seem to press self destruct.
If Mayo had played the last 20 minutes with an extra man they might have edged it
Rochford almost in tears. Calm down, man.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference
Still doesn't excuse another wrong call.
What about missing Moran knocking Cooper over off the ball before a point in the first half, not black carding AOS etc....or are missing calls that benefited Mayo not allowed
Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
Dublin great Champions.Mayo unfortunate to be around in the same era.
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 05:49:01 PM
Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
No it didn't.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Doesn't matter where contact started.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
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Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 05:49:01 PM
Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
No guarentee they would have scored
Will this be the end of this Mayo team?
The players will be the following ages for next championship
Clarke will be 34, Higgins will be 33, Boyle will be 32, Seamus O'Se will be 31, Andy Moran will be 34
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
Anything after the first foul is an advantage, you don't get to take the free from where a failed advantage ends up. Please don't be inventing drama where there is none.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
No guarentee they would have scored
No there isn't and there isn't any guarantee they would have won even if they had but it's a crucial decision. I believe the ref saw it (he couldn't not have) and took the easy way out.
McQuillan IMHO is one of the worst referees in the game. How he's got 3 AI is both a mystery and an embarrassment. Yet today he didn't cost Mayo the game. Mayo beat themselves.
Mayo had the chances and should have pushed on to win. There are only so many opportunities you get. That might be this groups last one. Although we said that last year.
AoS needs to turn up in these games. To be a talismanic figure and yet fail to register a point in yet another final......
McQuillan wasn't going to give a penalty right in front of Hill 16.
Dublin are some machine though. Four times in six years they've won an All Ireland by a point.
Even when they're unconvincing, they stay an inch ahead.
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McQuillan IMHO is one of the worst referees in the game. How he's got 3 AI is both a mystery and an embarrassment. Yet today he didn't cost Mayo the game. Mayo beat themselves.
Mayo had the chances and should have pushed on to win. There are only so many opportunities you get. That might be this groups last one. Although we said that last year.
AoS needs to turn up in these games. To be a talismanic figure and yet fail to register a point in yet another final......
AOS doesn't score most of the time, I know most don't see him more than a couple times a year but by now people should be able to see that's never been his role, apart from the season he was played at FF.
He had a quiet game alright but his role is not to be a big scorer so judging him on that is misreading the game.
Did Vaughan think he was playing some club game where the big "county" man gets away with murder?
It could have been 15 v 14 and surely advantage Mayo.
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference
Open to correction here, but as far as I know if you foul the ball during an advantage, it's a free out
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If Dublin Joe was working for Dublin AOS would have been black carded 5 seconds into the 2nd half
Rock took minimum 9 steps for one of his points. Penalty call too. Didn't seem to have the bottle to make big calls.
Rock was getting the advantage for being pulled back which is why he got extra steps.
Such nonsense. The advantage rule doesn't give you free reign to take as many steps as you like
Many times you get extra steps in that circumstance but he would have had a 13m free so it would have made no difference
Open to correction here, but as far as I know if you foul the ball during an advantage, it's a free out
You are correct. A bizarre rule.
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 05:47:26 PM
Rochford almost in tears. Calm down, man.
These guys put their whole lives on hold for days like today. He knew that this team has probably just had their best chance of an AI slip away. I'd be surprised if he wasn't feeling the pain.
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McQuillan IMHO is one of the worst referees in the game. How he's got 3 AI is both a mystery and an embarrassment. Yet today he didn't cost Mayo the game. Mayo beat themselves.
Mayo had the chances and should have pushed on to win. There are only so many opportunities you get. That might be this groups last one. Although we said that last year.
AoS needs to turn up in these games. To be a talismanic figure and yet fail to register a point in yet another final......
AOS doesn't score most of the time, I know most don't see him more than a couple times a year but by now people should be able to see that's never been his role, apart from the season he was played at FF.
He had a quiet game alright but his role is not to be a big scorer so judging him on that is misreading the game.
I appreciate he's not a big scorer and I don't expect 1-5 every game outta him, but c'mon.....he's still an attacking player and has played in 4 senior finals....at least 1 point today would have been enough to give the crowd some lift.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
Anything after the first foul is an advantage, you don't get to take the free from where a failed advantage ends up. Please don't be inventing drama where there is none.
Surely the advantage allows you to carry on the play and if you're fouled again in the box it's a penalty. Any refs on here who can clarify? Logically there's no reason it shouldn't be a penalty but I don't know what the rulebook says. I suspect Syferus is chancing his arm too though.
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Will this be the end of this Mayo team?
The players will be the following ages for next championship
Clarke will be 34, Higgins will be 33, Boyle will be 32, Seamus O'Se will be 31, Andy Moran will be 34
Cluxton is 36.
Higgins was U-21 in 2006 so will be 33.
SOS was minor in 2005 so will be 31.
Higgins was born in Feb 85 so will be 33.
Cluxton is winning titles year in year out so it's easier to come back
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McQuillan IMHO is one of the worst referees in the game. How he's got 3 AI is both a mystery and an embarrassment. Yet today he didn't cost Mayo the game. Mayo beat themselves.
Mayo had the chances and should have pushed on to win. There are only so many opportunities you get. That might be this groups last one. Although we said that last year.
AoS needs to turn up in these games. To be a talismanic figure and yet fail to register a point in yet another final......
AOS doesn't score most of the time, I know most don't see him more than a couple times a year but by now people should be able to see that's never been his role, apart from the season he was played at FF.
He had a quiet game alright but his role is not to be a big scorer so judging him on that is misreading the game.
I appreciate he's not a big scorer and I don't expect 1-5 every game outta him, but c'mon.....he's still an attacking player and has played in 4 senior finals....at least 1 point today would have been enough to give the crowd some lift.
Which is probably what was in his mind when he went for his hero point in the second half, which was actually an absolutely terrible and selfish decision. It would have been much better to just be a team player and hand it off.
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Lads whinging about the ref are clutching at straws. He let Mayo away with plenty.
No way. Whatever about the red cards and soft scorable frees Dublin got in the first half, failure to give a blatant stone wall penalty with 10 minutes left which could have put Mayo clear is not cluthing at straws.
Contact started well before they entered the box. I know Dessie and Ger are easily fooled but you'd think anyone watching at home could use their eyes to see that.
Yes and continuEd well into the box until keegan was pulled down by the jersey. That's a penalty.
Anything after the first foul is an advantage, you don't get to take the free from where a failed advantage ends up. Please don't be inventing drama where there is none.
Surely the advantage allows you to carry on the play and if you're fouled again in the box it's a penalty. Any refs on here who can clarify? Logically there's no reason it shouldn't be a penalty but I don't know what the rulebook says. I suspect Syferus is chancing his arm too though.
Its only an advantage if the ref has indicated an advantage. If a foul is made after the advantage is given free from original point is the correct decision.
Thanks. That's a bad rule though. Rewards the foul.
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Thanks. That's a bad rule though. Rewards the foul.
It's a rule that's used just fine in nearly every other field sport.
One good thing Geezer said while he was with Kildare was that you take the ref out of the equation in terms of looking at what you did or didn't do before going at the ref. I know he was being diplomatic but the point stands.
If an initial foul takes place at a certain point and no advantage accrues then it is called back to where the initial foul took place.
Mayo owned the first half and had Dublin totally rattled, Cluxton kicking it to them and the Dubs forward line under wraps. BUT, they missed score able efforts and should have been further ahead.
In the second half they also missed chances including Doherty, who was clean through. Then Vaughan barges in when things looked settled and instead of 15 v 14 it's 14 apiece.
Then Clarke's kickouts fail at the time when Mayo needed them most while Cluxton was after correcting his.
The Dubs were not let play to their potential by the brilliance of the Mayo defence at times, but their deicision-making let them down yet again.
The easy test is how many times you find yourself asking WTF was that?! during a match tells you the winner.
When Kilkenny ruled in hurling you never said it to yourself. The Dubs are the same. They don't do brain farts.
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One good thing Geezer said while he was with Kildare was that you take the ref out of the equation in terms of looking at what you did or didn't do before going at the ref. I know he was being diplomatic but the point stands.
If an initial foul takes place at a certain point and no advantage accrues then it is called back to where the initial foul took place.
Mayo owned the first half and had Dublin totally rattled, Cluxton kicking it to them and the Dubs forward line under wraps. BUT, they missed score able efforts and should have been further ahead.
In the second half they also missed chances including Doherty, who was clean through. Then Vaughan barges in when things looked settled and instead of 15 v 14 it's 14 apiece.
Then Clarke's kickouts fail at the time when Mayo needed them most while Cluxton was after correcting his.
The Dubs were not let play to their potential by the brilliance of the Mayo defence at times, but their deicision-making let them down yet again.
The easy test is how many times you find yourself asking WTF was that?! during a match tells you the winner.
When Kilkenny ruled in hurling you never said it to yourself. The Dubs are the same. They don't do brain farts.
Small's 'shoulder' was exactly what you're for saying Dublin don't do..
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Thanks. That's a bad rule though. Rewards the foul.
It's a rule that's used just fine in nearly every other field sport.
The advantage rule is a good rule but the fact that the second, deliberate foul inside the box is rewarded is wrong and illogical.
Its hardly an advantage if the further foul doesn't count
That might be the toughest one of all for Mayo to take. Dubs rattled. McCaffrey off injured very early. Mayo on top in midfield. Dublin kickouts going astray. About to go down to 14 men. Seemed to be all set up for them at that point.
Even after that they had the one on one with Cluxton that was missed. COC missing the free to put them one ahead as the clock turned 70. Clarke landing the final kickout over the sideline allowing Dublin to play keep ball for last 2 minutes.
A lot of regrets to take out of one game today.
I think Small was a stupid hit and a yellow, but then I'd call Vaughan's a WTF moment!
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AOS lucky he avoided a black card.
this was a huge call - happened right in front of me and he 100% should have got a black
1. We just witnessed a classic.
2. There's some absolute c***ts of human beings on this board, and hanging would be too good for them.
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That might be the toughest one of all for Mayo to take. Dubs rattled. McCaffrey off injured very early. Mayo on top in midfield. Dublin kickouts going astray. About to go down to 14 men. Seemed to be all set up for them at that point.
Even after that they had the one on one with Cluxton that was missed. COC missing the free to put them one ahead as the clock turned 70. Clarke landing the final kickout over the sideline allowing Dublin to play keep ball for last 2 minutes.
A lot of regrets to take out of one game today.
Don't be talking sense man, it's Dublin Joes fault!
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AOS lucky he avoided a black card.
this was a huge call - happened right in front of me and he 100% should have got a black
You standing in the middle of the field? It was nowhere near as big a call as the gouge from O'Gara going unpunished.
I'd say that's the hardest one yet to take for Mayo folks.
This time I genuinely thought ye had it.
I hope Vaughan doesn't get a hard time as he'll know himself it was a moment of madness.
An extra man for the finale of a game as tight as this would have made all the difference.
Chris Barrett was my MOTM with some of the best technical tackling I've ever seen.
Connolly made a massive difference when he came on, as did McManamon.
All in all, that was probably the best football final I've seen so fair play to both teams.
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AOS lucky he avoided a black card.
this was a huge call - happened right in front of me and he 100% should have got a black
You standing in the middle of the field? It was nowhere near as big a call as the gouge from O'Gara going unpunished.
dublin came out in the 2nd half determined to win the throw in. They did and AOS pulled him down. It was obvious. Would it have mattered - who knows? AOS had plenty of ball but he slows it up far too much. Dublin Joe wasn't as dublin as you are making out - i though mayo got plenty of soft ones as well.
I won't argue on the soft frees issue, Jason Doherty got one where he fell over.
I'm still not sure on the AOS one on McCarthy, there was no replay shown and it was a case of McCarthy running over him when he was on the ground. Hard to see from a distance whether he grabbed hold of his leg like Small last year though.
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AOS lucky he avoided a black card.
this was a huge call - happened right in front of me and he 100% should have got a black
The sending off could have been a black or a red, given the doubt I would have thought black more prudent, that said the ref was spot on most of the day but Mayo probably should have had a penalty, no problem with the steps and fisted point because he was being pulled at and if I had been calledback it would have been a tap over the bar from 13 metres.
You standing in the middle of the field? It was nowhere near as big a call as the gouge from O'Gara going unpunished.
dublin came out in the 2nd half determined to win the throw in. They did and AOS pulled him down. It was obvious. Would it have mattered - who knows? AOS had plenty of ball but he slows it up far too much. Dublin Joe wasn't as dublin as you are making out - i though mayo got plenty of soft ones as well.
The quality of the football and the selfless effort of the players was magic. Mayo and Dublin take a bow, this was wonderful, pity there had to be a loser. Very hard on the Mayo team and supporters.
Great theatre today, hopefully this puts an end to all that shite about dividing Dublin in two, three in a row yes but by feck they were lucky as hell last year and this.
Mayowestros just not good enough again.
Heart breaking for the people of Co Mayo.
Good enough for the floots of you know where.
Not talking about the ref it was a great game, easily the best since 2005, credit to both teams and well done to the dubs on their continuing success.
For the throw ups should a player not be on his side of the Line, cause Fenton was practically standing in the area parson as to be jumping into
I wondered about taking mcloughlin and moran off too. were they just tired or injured ?
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I wondered about taking mcloughlin and moran off too. were they just tired or injured ?
Moran looked wrecked, hit a tired looking wide a couple of minutes before going off. Taking McLoughlin off looked a bad decision, he was still looking fresh and playing brilliantly.
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Not talking about the ref it was a great game, easily the best since 2005, credit to both teams and well done to the dubs on their continuing success.
Best final or best game?
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Not talking about the ref it was a great game, easily the best since 2005, credit to both teams and well done to the dubs on their continuing success.
dont know about that - there was a lot of stuff going on off the ball all day. I'd say the sledging was serious. Plenty of mistakes and bad decisions as well. It was nail biting exciting and I was hoping for a draw and another day out but i don't think it was a classic.
Tightest final but not a perfect game, way too many mistakes and scorable shots missed
That's what happens when two teams go out to win a game instead of playing pass the parcel (sideways & backwards).
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That's what happens when two teams go out to win a game instead of playing pass the parcel (sideways & backwards).
Both sides did plenty of that Jinxy, since both had at times 13-14 inside their own 45. They were just good enough to manufacture scores in that constricted space.
Football has tactically reached a new low in the current era - this game was much better when 14v14 and I think changing the sport to 13v13 might be the one thing that could inject positive play back into it at the highest level.
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Its hardly an advantage if the further foul doesn't count
Did the ref indicate that there was two fouls??
the focus will probably be on vaughan as the pivitol moment but I thought mccaffrey's injury was big. He had started really well and Dublin seemed a bit clueless for 10 or 15 mins after he went off. It really upset their game plan
An absolute thriller with incredible moments of quality on both teams, but. . .
Those short sideways kick outs are an ugly abomination, much like the handpassed goal was in hurling and would be easily eradicated with a simple rUle change. They add nothing. Neither does the running down of the last few minutes as Dublin did today. Time for a rule similar to basketball where you can't bring the ball back inside your own 45.
Dublin know how to win these games, mayo dont. Simple.
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Dublin know how to win these games, mayo dont. Simple.
But it's not that simple.
Mayo have spent their entire f**king season winning game like this and Dublin haven't.
Hard luck again lads. We were up against it, another lesson learned.
Poor decision making on the field cost us.
Dubs bench made the difference ultimately. If we're to beat them we need to look at how they utilise the subs, might take a couple of years to blood more players but we'll keep going back to the well.
Mayo for Sam 2019
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 08:20:03 PM
Mayo have spent their entire f**king season winning game like this and Dublin haven't.
I haven't seen Mayo winning any finals lately.
I thought Mannion was excellent again today.
Such a threat.
Dublin's best forward this year for me.
Your heart would go out to muintir Mhaigh Eo both on the board and elsewhere. What a kick in the nuts. Again.
Galway lost 3 finals one after another in the 70s.
It took another quartery of a century
Teams like the Dubs and KK ride their luck as well.
Quote from: Mayoffs on September 17, 2017, 08:23:05 PM
Hard luck again lads. We were up against it, another lesson learned.
Poor decision making on the field cost us.
Dubs bench made the difference ultimately. If we're to beat them we need to look at how they utilise the subs, might take a couple of years to blood more players but we'll keep going back to the well.
Mayo for Sam 2019
Dublin seem to have two top class players for every position, no other team can do that.
Chris Barrett MOM a great display.
A few unfair comments here on AOR. I'm far from.his biggest fan, but he was a colossus today. Totally unlike last year.
Comments on referee here are harsh. He missed a few but as a neutral this worked two ways. Overall a reasonable performance by JMQ.
After 3 finals (230 minutes, almost four hours) against the invincibles, only two points separated them on the scoreboard. How close is that. A tragic modern sports drama that may never get that happy ending.
Quote from: straightred on September 17, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
the focus will probably be on vaughan as the pivitol moment but I thought mccaffrey's injury was big. He had started really well and Dublin seemed a bit clueless for 10 or 15 mins after he went off. It really upset their game plan
Replacing him with Flynn didn't work well and they lost their shape, Eric Lowndes would have been a more like for like replacement but I'm not sure if he was even on the bench.
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo posters, please refrain from more ref bashing. We had the winning of that game but didn't do it. We need to focus on what we can improve and not wallow in self pity.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
An absolute thriller with incredible moments of quality on both teams, but. . .
Those short sideways kick outs are an ugly abomination, much like the handpassed goal was in hurling and would be easily eradicated with a simple rUle change. They add nothing. Neither does the running down of the last few minutes as Dublin did today. Time for a rule similar to basketball where you can't bring the ball back inside your own 45.
I think you should stop posting about football.
Doherty missing the goal the biggest reason Mayo didnt win to today, seldom would you get a better chance than the one he got!
Quote from: straightred on September 17, 2017, 08:05:18 PM
the focus will probably be on vaughan as the pivitol moment but I thought mccaffrey's injury was big. He had started really well and Dublin seemed a bit clueless for 10 or 15 mins after he went off. It really upset their game plan
To be honest i also thought playing ogara for as long as they did really upset their gameplan.
Mccaffrey arguably player of the year too so yeah massive difference too.
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Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 08:13:53 PM
An absolute thriller with incredible moments of quality on both teams, but. . .
Those short sideways kick outs are an ugly abomination, much like the handpassed goal was in hurling and would be easily eradicated with a simple rUle change. They add nothing. Neither does the running down of the last few minutes as Dublin did today. Time for a rule similar to basketball where you can't bring the ball back inside your own 45.
I think you should stop posting about football.
Is it the side footed 10 yard kickouts to a corner back or the handpassing from attack all the way back to your keeper to kill the game that you're a fan of? If ever a sport needed rule changes to counteract the way it's evolving it's football in 2017.
That was a riveting game from start to finish. The dubs also have plenty of bottle when needed to throw into the mix when a game goes to the wire.
"When you try your best but you dont suceed..." :'(
Sometimes life aint fair, sometimes you dont always get the girl of your dreams, sometimes the bad guy does win, life aint fairytales and sometimes the best team doesn't win.
Some messin going on from mc caffrey and co behind Gavin and cluxton.making a cod out of the rte presentation. Tired format needs changed. Sky would do a better job.
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Some messin going on from mc caffrey and co behind Gavin and cluxton.making a cod out of the rte presentation. Tired format needs changed. Sky would do a better job.
He's hammered
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Mayo posters, please refrain from more ref bashing. We had the winning of that game but didn't do it. We need to focus on what we can improve and not wallow in self pity.
Well said.
Another chapter for the house of pain for Mayo. Mayo were 4 or 5 points the better team in the 1st half and i think only leading by 1 is what cost them the most. 2nd half Dublin were the better team with a better bench. Outscored Mayo 0-12 to 1-7 and most of Dublins scores came from play. Not sure what Vaughan was thinking a real silly sending off that gave the dubs the inches to win today.
Anyway whats done is done now. Dublin remain the team to beat and the hardest team to beat but this Mayo side more than any other team will be back next year looking to be that team to beat them.
The banquet at CityWest must be like a wake this year..
Donal Vaughan typifies the stupidity of this mayo team and why they will surely not win an AI. Beyond stupid.
Saying that, most of the mayo team were outstanding today. Many of the lesser know known players have been heroic all year - Barrett, McLaughlin, Doherty, parsons etc.
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The banquet at CityWest must be like a wake this year..
The Rhubarbs got some welcome into it . You'd think they won.....
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Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 10:27:20 PM
The banquet at CityWest must be like a wake this year..
I'd love the camera to go there and all the Mayo players blocked on the dance floor playing air guitar and their ties around their heads.
Jim Gavin and Cluxton like lads at a wake.
Did anyone notice Lee Keegan fire something at the ball just as Rock struck the winning free? Kilkenny noticed this and ran straight at him which led to his black card. During this commotion Keegan picked up the object and handed it to Tony McEntee who put it in his pocket. It was a completely shitty act from a player I admire massively.
It was a great contest today. After the dust settles I think that it comes down to this, Dublin are the best team in Ireland. A team full of outstanding footballers and athletes. Today they faced a Mayo team who individually are not as good as the dublin players but play with such fight and spirit that rises them as a team to play at the absolute best of their ability. They just ran out of steam in the last 10 mins and just couldn't get the ball in their hands. Vaughan seeing red, missed goal chance and even keegan peno, they needed one of them to go their way. How they keep coming back from such blows I'll never know. As for the dubs, they are a pleasure to watch, they should great courage today in what was their only tough game this year. They have done football a great service by trashing Tyrone and showing everyone that no more can an all Ireland be won playing mass defensive rubbish.
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
You're awful f**king sore today. Maybe try sleeping it off.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
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Well, they have to give it to a Dublin player anyhow.Bit of farce really nominating players from Mayo who are sitting in another part of the city !
Yeah I'm a bit sore.
Kevin McMenamin and Dean Rock won that game today. McCarthy and O'Sullivan weren't far behind. But two points, elegant as they were, shouldn't disguise the fact that Dublin couldn't get a foothold in midfield today. Awarding motm to a Dublin midfielder is wrong.
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
McCarthy was wing back for most of the first half, from when McCaffrey went off.
Quote from: shark on September 17, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
McCarthy was wing back for most of the first half, from when McCaffrey went off.
Okay so. Show me up for my to viewing! Did Flynn play midfield?
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: shark on September 17, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
McCarthy was wing back for most of the first half, from when McCaffrey went off.
Okay so. Show me up for my to viewing! Did Flynn play midfield?
Up until half time, yes. I'm not sure myself after that point.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 17, 2017, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 10:27:20 PM
The banquet at CityWest must be like a wake this year..
The Rhubarbs git some welcome into it . You'd think they won.....
It simply reflects pride in our team. Pride like respect is earned and doesn't require victory.
Quote from: shark on September 17, 2017, 11:36:41 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2017, 11:30:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
Yep that's right. A midfielder who got so cleaned out on his own kickouts that his keeper never went long the entire second half.
McCarthy was good today. But if kicking two points is what it takes to win this award, then measure everyone who does it equally.
McCarthy was wing back for most of the first half, from when McCaffrey went off.
He was completely anonymous in the first half so it wasn't clear where he ws playing. At times it looked like he was marking AOS but AOS dropped deep and was very influential. They were 2 fantastic points he kicked though.
Well done Dublin. The heavily invested money is paying dividends and 4/5/6 (and so on) in a row beckons.
Mayo losing by a point will help the GAA delay the apathy for another year how far ahead Dublin are (of everybody including Mayo)!
The favourite child is some Monster!
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2017, 11:25:09 PM
McCarthy MOTM. More than justified.
Sporting a nice shiner too.
I thought Barrett should have won MOTM but McCarthy was Dublins best and they were always going to give the MOTM award to a Dub on the Sunday game after they won.
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 17, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Did anyone notice Lee Keegan fire something at the ball just as Rock struck the winning free? Kilkenny noticed this and ran straight at him which led to his black card. During this commotion Keegan picked up the object and handed it to Tony McEntee who put it in his pocket. It was a completely shitty act from a player I admire massively.
Yes, it was Keegan and I thought it was a sod of grass at the time.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2017, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 17, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Did anyone notice Lee Keegan fire something at the ball just as Rock struck the winning free? Kilkenny noticed this and ran straight at him which led to his black card. During this commotion Keegan picked up the object and handed it to Tony McEntee who put it in his pocket. It was a completely shitty act from a player I admire massively.
Yes, it was Keegan and I thought it was a sod of grass at the time.
Gps tracker
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
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Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
Agreed, one would guess he's not feel the most clever this evening!
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 17, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Did anyone notice Lee Keegan fire something at the ball just as Rock struck the winning free? Kilkenny noticed this and ran straight at him which led to his black card. During this commotion Keegan picked up the object and handed it to Tony McEntee who put it in his pocket. It was a completely shitty act from a player I admire massively.
(http://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36140933.ece/ae1d7/BINARY/rock2.jpg)
12 week intercounty ban is the only answer! ;D
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2017, 12:08:37 AM
Quote from: The Bearded One on September 17, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Did anyone notice Lee Keegan fire something at the ball just as Rock struck the winning free? Kilkenny noticed this and ran straight at him which led to his black card. During this commotion Keegan picked up the object and handed it to Tony McEntee who put it in his pocket. It was a completely shitty act from a player I admire massively.
(http://cdn-04.independent.ie/incoming/article36140933.ece/ae1d7/BINARY/rock2.jpg)
It was his GPS unit..
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 06:37:29 PM
Thanks. That's a bad rule though. Rewards the foul.
It's a rule that's used just fine in nearly every other field sport.
In soccer if a foul commences outside the penalty box but continues inside the area it is a penalty. Not sure what the rule is in GAA however I suspect were it at the other end a penalty would have been awarded
Quote from: Itchy on September 17, 2017, 07:01:11 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 17, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
That might be the toughest one of all for Mayo to take. Dubs rattled. McCaffrey off injured very early. Mayo on top in midfield. Dublin kickouts going astray. About to go down to 14 men. Seemed to be all set up for them at that point.
Even after that they had the one on one with Cluxton that was missed. COC missing the free to put them one ahead as the clock turned 70. Clarke landing the final kickout over the sideline allowing Dublin to play keep ball for last 2 minutes.
A lot of regrets to take out of one game today.
Don't be talking sense man, it's Dublin Joes fault!
Nice of you to defend your countyman but the reality is that he is a very poor referee. He has continually shown this yet for some reason continues to get big games. Hopefully today was his last AI.
Don't think the referee impacted that much, two teams not much between them but Dubin have the confidence of perennial winners while Mayo have the opposite. That is huge issue to overcome
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
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Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
Agreed, one would guess he's not feel the most clever this evening!
Look, I made no secret of the fact that I never rated Vaughan or his macho approach to covering for the fact he was a poor defender (and it cost Mayo a couple of points even today, he was the one who ran into Kilkenny to give away the free before half-time IIRC), but you can't help but feel sorry for him. Costing your team a game is one thing, but costing Mayo their eleventh AI final in a row is Shakespearean in its tragedy. No one will know that more than Vaughan himself.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
The Armagh ones reckon Diarmuid Marsden's
Not dissimilar alright.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
Vaughans was a lot more stupid than smalls
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 18, 2017, 03:52:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
The Armagh ones reckon Diarmuid Marsden's
Undeserved rather than stupid
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
I don't think they did
Dublin had plenty of time to win it even if they had conceded that goal
The ref was in no rush to blow that game up
Quote from: regal on September 17, 2017, 10:31:49 PM
Donal Vaughan typifies the stupidity of this mayo team and why they will surely not win an AI. Beyond stupid.
Saying that, most of the mayo team were outstanding today. Many of the lesser know known players have been heroic all year - Barrett, McLaughlin, Doherty, parsons etc.
Some of the dispossessions/ tackles by Barrett were absolutely top drawer!
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 18, 2017, 03:52:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 12:05:10 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 12:01:22 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
The Armagh ones reckon Diarmuid Marsden's
Vaughans was self inflicted, Marsdens was an absolute disgrace and should never have happened, wouldn't have happened but for a dodgy referee.
Colm O'Neill's sending off in 1990 was more stupid, throwing a thump on Mick Lyons in full view of the ref, but it didn't cost Cork victory that day. Couldn't understand what Vaughan was doing, even if he confronted and squared up to him it wouldn't have been an issue, but he was asking for a red with his reaction. Madness.
Another title Mayo have left behind them, when they should have been 4/5 ahead at HT but only 1 it wasn't a good sign. Had Dublin for the taking but couldn't see them off, in fairness to Dublin whatever about all the many valid issues we'd have with them they do know how to get home in tight games, four finals won by a point now. Some going.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on September 18, 2017, 10:14:00 AM
Colm O'Neill's sending off in 1990 was more stupid, throwing a thump on Mick Lyons in full view of the ref, but it didn't cost Cork victory that day. Couldn't understand what Vaughan was doing, even if he confronted and squared up to him it wouldn't have been an issue,but he was asking for a red with his reaction. Madness.
Another title Mayo have left behind them, when they should have been 4/5 ahead at HT but only 1 it wasn't a good sign. Had Dublin for the taking but couldn't see them off, in fairness to Dublin whatever about all the many valid issues we'd have with them they do know how to get home in tight games, four finals won by a point now. Some going.
Exactly, he gave the ref the opportunity to get off the hook. Christ, I know that its drilled into players from U12 level, "if they get a man sent off, dont give the ref a chance to even it up" I know Vaughan didnt necessarily know that Small would get a 2nd yellow but I would be surprised as most players keep tabs on who in the opposition is on a yellow.
It must be so frustrating from a Mayo perspective as to what might have been, even if Vaughan had been ten yards further away etc.
That Dublin team is incredible, they can blow teams away but when its put up to them they can grind out the results. Fair play
Dublin the best team.
Ref I feel slightly favoured the dubs on some calls
Rock v COC battle of the free takers was won by Rock
Dubs possiby the greatest team ever but you couldn't like them if you tried - Jim Gavin smugness personified - sitting on his seat the whole game and Stephen 'so dull' cluxton could put you to sleep. They should of had jack mccaffrey interviewed seems lie hes a bit of craic! ;D
Quote from: Syferus on September 17, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 17, 2017, 06:37:29 PM
Thanks. That's a bad rule though. Rewards the foul.
It's a rule that's used just fine in nearly every other field sport.
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
A - If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a
free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original.
B - If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage
is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul.
But the best team on the day won, they scored the most points regardless of the many decisions made during the match, by all on the pitch.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Marvelous game after what's been a poor championship with too many drubbings. Was honestly sickened and even a little bitter when Dublin were left standing when the music stopped, but that gave away quickly to admiration for their ability to keep their heads and grind it out, yet again, when Mayo, the only ones who can, put them to the pin of their collar. It's just this Mayo team's misfortune to always have someone a tiny mite better, even as they themselves have improved year on year. Unfortunately, the Dubs only look like they're going to get better next year again and Mayo will have to console themselves with being the second best team of the 2010s and possibly, as has been suggested, the best team to not win an All Ireland.
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
;D ;D ;D
You're on form this morning.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
can you get much closer than a draw or 1 point games? They'll be glad you're no-where near the setup.
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
can you get much closer than a draw or 1 point games? They'll be glad you're no-where near the setup.
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012!
Serious respect to Mayo yesterday. As a Laois man, I would have loved to have seen them winning as the effort they've put in and amount of times they keep coming back deserves a day of glory. It'll take something special for a team to rival Dublin over the next 5 years, but Mayo showed that with hard work, some good talent and a good gameplan, Dublin are beatable. Gotta hand it to Dublin though, fantastic team and great ambassadors for the GAA. They have set the new standard.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
can you get much closer than a draw or 1 point games? They'll be glad you're no-where near the setup.
Mayo have not beaten Dublin in League or Championship since 2012!
Very few teams have.....
I am sick and Jim Gavin is a miserable p***k.
Didn't see the Sunday Game last night or half time analysis, but did anyone explain why the free was given at the end of the first half when the two Dublin players collided and were knocked down?
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2017, 11:24:33 AM
Serious respect to Mayo yesterday. As a Laois man, I would have loved to have seen them winning as the effort they've put in and amount of times they keep coming back deserves a day of glory. It will take something special for a team to rival Dublin over the next 5 years, Mayo showed that with hard work, some good talent and a good gameplan, Dublin are beatable. Gotta hand it to Dublin though, fantastic team and great ambassadors for the GAA. They have set the new standard.
If Kerry can't make something of their four-in-row minors in the next few years it will be a terrible waste of talent.
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 18, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
Didn't see the Sunday Game last night or half time analysis, but did anyone explain why the free was given at the end of the first half when the two Dublin players collided and were knocked down?
Because after that and they got up, one of the Mayo lads (possibly Vaughan again) came barging into the back of him and have away a free.
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Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2017, 11:54:43 PM
I think Mayo left that one behind. That goal chance that was kicked straight at Cluxton and the stupid sending off swung it back in Dublins favour. It's those kind of things that would win it for them. I think they set out a good template for how you beat Dublin but you have to get all the small things right.
What about the countless goal chances Dublin missed? I count at least three! Losing teams always get their mistakes highlighted! Vaughan was stupid, but so was Small.
At least Small did it while the ball was in play and not in front of the ref. Stupidest and most costly red card I've seen in my lifetime.
The Armagh ones reckon Diarmuid Marsden's
Vaughans was self inflicted, Marsdens was an absolute disgrace and should never have happened, wouldn't have happened but for a dodgy referee.
I thought Small, suspecting his goose was cooked with a 2nd yellow, milked the contact from Vaughan for all it was worth and simulated being agonizingly hurt as if a hammer blow had been inflicted. On the replay, the contact from Vaughan looked minimal. Considering the other punishments dished out, Vaughan might have got away with a yellow without the histrionics from Small.
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Gutted for Mayo, but they had their chance, just lacked the necessary composure in the 2nd half. Vaughn's moment for madness was pivotal; the winning of the All-Ireland was right there, an easy free, 2 pts up, + an extra man for the last 15 mins........ It's hard to explain for sych an experienced player and a wonderful servant to gaelic football. On viewing the incident, it does seem a red was slightly harsh, + the Dublin footballer milked it, but really the red should have been for sheer stupidity. Also thought the last free was harsh in context of the rest of the ref's decisions
But in the great scheme of things, let not your heart be sad, this Mayo team will be well-remembered when many All-Ireland winners are forgotten
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 18, 2017, 11:49:53 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2017, 11:24:33 AM
Serious respect to Mayo yesterday. As a Laois man, I would have loved to have seen them winning as the effort they've put in and amount of times they keep coming back deserves a day of glory. It will take something special for a team to rival Dublin over the next 5 years, Mayo showed that with hard work, some good talent and a good gameplan, Dublin are beatable. Gotta hand it to Dublin though, fantastic team and great ambassadors for the GAA. They have set the new standard.
If Kerry can't make something of their four-in-row minors in the next few years it will be a terrible waste of talent.
Cavan haven't set the world alight in Ulster having won their 3 in a row U21 titles :-X :-[
If Vaughan had gone about his business he wouldn't have got any card.
Small certainly milked it. It was still a red though. You can't be clotheslining people it's not WWE
Quote from: Rossfan on September 18, 2017, 12:49:27 PM
If Vaughan had gone about his business he wouldn't have got any card.
I wonder would McQuillan have issued the 2nd yellow to Small if he didn't have the comfort of being able to red card Vaughan to keep it even?
Quote from: J70 on September 18, 2017, 10:59:31 AM
Marvelous game after what's been a poor championship with too many drubbings. Was honestly sickened and even a little bitter when Dublin were left standing when the music stopped, but that gave away quickly to admiration for their ability to keep their heads and grind it out, yet again, when Mayo, the only ones who can, put them to the pin of their collar. It's just this Mayo team's misfortune to always have someone a tiny mite better, even as they themselves have improved year on year. Unfortunately, the Dubs only look like they're going to get better next year again and Mayo will have to console themselves with being the second best team of the 2010s and possibly, as has been suggested, the best team to not win an All Ireland.
Donegal were the real deal and they could only win the one Sam. It is exceptionally difficult.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on September 18, 2017, 02:25:25 AM
Don't think the referee impacted that much, two teams not much between them but Dubin have the confidence of perennial winners while Mayo have the opposite. That is huge issue to overcome
Great point, Ballyroan. The Dubs are Portlaoise. Mayo are O'Dempseys . A lot of it is played in the head
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 18, 2017, 01:39:31 PM
Small certainly milked it.
Any feedback on Boyle clutching his face in the same incident?
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Colm O'Neill's sending off in 1990 was more stupid, throwing a thump on Mick Lyons in full view of the ref, but it didn't cost Cork victory that day. Couldn't understand what Vaughan was doing, even if he confronted and squared up to him it wouldn't have been an issue,but he was asking for a red with his reaction. Madness.
Another title Mayo have left behind them, when they should have been 4/5 ahead at HT but only 1 it wasn't a good sign. Had Dublin for the taking but couldn't see them off, in fairness to Dublin whatever about all the many valid issues we'd have with them they do know how to get home in tight games, four finals won by a point now. Some going.
It must be so frustrating from a Mayo perspective as to what might have been, even if Vaughan had been ten yards further away etc.
Vaughan must have been 7 or 8 yards away as it was. He had time to think about it before storming in which makes it worse. Even if he had shoved Small hard in the chest he would have got away with a yellow but he clotheslined him around the neck. Once you stray into the neck/head area you are asking for trouble.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 18, 2017, 11:31:36 AM
I am sick and Jim Gavin is a miserable p***k.
Out of order. Thought the Dublin management did their best to lose the game with mind blowing selection decisions. In a county full of forward talent how does O Gara make the team? Is it for his size and dirt, he along with Keggan should be facing 3 match bans. The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully. 10 times worse than what poor auld Andy had to endure v Roscommon. Moran had a mighty first half but was tired in the second. Thought overall Mayo were the better side. Sport can be cruel.
What a game yesterday. It had that feeling from midway thru first half that it was Mayo's day finally. McCaffrey's injury deprived the Dubs of one of their improvements from last year, Doherty and Moran were on fire & Cluxton was all over the shop.
When Connolly, Mannion & McManamon started firing Dubs it looked ominous early on but Mayo responded at right times in right fashion. What a goal by Keegan! Right up with Galway in 98 for a team score.
Vaughan's attack on Small was baffling...why o why? When game came down the straight O'Sullivan and McCarthy and others grew while Mayo unfortunately shrank. 'Dublin' Joe didn't fit his nickname with the softest of soft frees on 70 mins for Mayo to go one up but Cillian was unfortunate. He and A O'Shea were average on a day when others, especially Barrett, were exceptional. Barrett's outstretched arm resulted in an obvious free in & thought Rock, especially given fact he must've been odds-on to be subbed after 10 minutes was coolness personified, GPS or no.
Mayo just hadn't enough to see it out. Like the semi against Kerry, when granted they were down to 14, they were out on their feet & waiting for the whistle rather than driving on. A poor Kerry had goal chances that day that Clarke & Boyle thwarted. You'd wonder if Rochford sees only 50 mins in Boyle, Moran & McLoughlin would he not be better served starting the runners who won't win it for you and bring on the quality 20 mins in?
It was heartbreak for Mayo, but blaming McQuillan isn't way to go here.
Congrats to Dublin on the win, three in a row is some achievement, no doubt about it. As for ourselves, deep disappointment on another opportunity gone. Probably more so than other years, sure as hell it doesn't get easier. Especially when we seemed to get so much right on the day yet couldn't see it over the line. For me the one crucial difference between the teams on the day was composure, we had three moments in that game were if the head had been kept we'd be champions today. Vaughan's rush of blood to the head is the obvious one, a gimme free in front of the posts and an extra man advantage blown in a moment of madness. O'Connor hitting the upright which would have put us into a one point lead coming into injury time was the other obvious moment. The third was Chris Barrett's wild leap at a long ball that he missed and ended up sprawled on the turf while Dean Rock raced away in on goal which, luckily for us he chose to fist over. Just three moments which in tight game like yesterday where a bit of composure can make a massive difference, Dean Rock's winning free being a prime example. Limitations of our bench exposed yesterday also, DOC the only one who made any notable contribution and I am at the point of tearing my hair out seeing David Drake come on as I just do not see what he offers. As things look outside of our first 16 we don't appear to have many options up to the standard required, which makes coming back again next year harder and doesn't bode well in the longer term either.
Quote from: Buckass on September 18, 2017, 02:26:28 PM
What a game yesterday. It had that feeling from midway thru first half that it was Mayo's day finally. McCaffrey's injury deprived the Dubs of one of their improvements from last year, Doherty and Moran were on fire & Cluxton was all over the shop.
When Connolly, Mannion & McManamon started firing Dubs it looked ominous early on but Mayo responded at right times in right fashion. What a goal by Keegan! Right up with Galway in 98 for a team score.
Vaughan's attack on Small was baffling...why o why? When game came down the straight O'Sullivan and McCarthy and others grew while Mayo unfortunately shrank. 'Dublin' Joe didn't fit his nickname with the softest of soft frees on 70 mins for Mayo to go one up but Cillian was unfortunate. He and A O'Shea were average on a day when others, especially Barrett, were exceptional. Barrett's outstretched arm resulted in an obvious free in & thought Rock, especially given fact he must've been odds-on to be subbed after 10 minutes was coolness personified, GPS or no.
Mayo just hadn't enough to see it out. Like the semi against Kerry, when granted they were down to 14, they were out on their feet & waiting for the whistle rather than driving on. A poor Kerry had goal chances that day that Clarke & Boyle thwarted. You'd wonder if Rochford sees only 50 mins in Boyle, Moran & McLoughlin would he not be better served starting the runners who won't win it for you and bring on the quality 20 mins in?
It was heartbreak for Mayo, but blaming McQuillan isn't way to go here.
Good post.
Who got MOTM?
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2017, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on September 18, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
I don't know about others but I get tired listening and reading this bulls**t. What you wrote was exactly what was written last year "Nobody can come back for what will be their 7th year) and yet they did. Not alone did they come back but they were bigger, better and more organised than last year and if they want to they can do it again. Two points have seperated Mayo and Dublin over three games and we lost, not because we haven't got it in us to win but because better teams beat us. That doesn't have to be the way always and our day will come if we keep building.
Pessimists like you have nothing to answer except whinging and carping. There are half a dozen young players around the county who can and will add to this team. There are hundreds like you who have dumped on the chances of this team all year and no doubt will go on doing so but there are tens of thousands who BELIEVE as well as hope. Nobody is going to hand us a title and I don't want to see one won by dividing Dublin in three or ten in order to equalise population etc.
The reason Mayo people are so proud of this team is because they reflect the spirit of the county. We are used to hardship. We always knew that it was an uphill battle to make a living, raise a family, start or maintain a business in the west of Ireland (and we are not the only county with these problems). We have learned self-reliance and perseverance. We look up, we step forward and we regroup in adversity. Take your self-pity and your hard-done-byness and feck away off with yourself. You don't deserve to be called a Mayoman
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Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 17, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
Just home. Words can't begin to describe the disappointment I feel....not for myself or the the supporters but for that bunch of players. The temptation for some will be to start singling out individuals for blame for isolated incidents. I think that would be unfair. If we were to look at the commentary and forecasting over the past few months this Mayo team had no chance. Yet again they had this great (and I mean that sincerely) Dublin team on the ropes. Top marks to all, including management, for a great season. The inability to finish scoring opportunities is all that stood between the teams. We need to hold what we have and blood some new players over the FBD and League. If management remain on (and I see no reason why they wouldn't) they need to rest some experienced players, cut those from the panel that they obviously have no faith in and bring in a half dozen or more big athletic footballers. Don't write our obituary yet.
Mayo are far from finished. Was an absolute honour to have been at that game yesterday, a serious battle between 2 great teams. The speed and intensity was breathtaking . Some serious performances from both sides. McCarthy was a giant for the Dubs, he's had an incredible year. There's a good few wee things that just didn't go Mayo's way and yet there was still only the bare minimum between the teams. The 2 O'Shea's were excellent in the middle, Moran as usual this year was excellent. McLoughlin buzzing around and linking so much of the good play. Keegan, Boyle and Barrett in defence, christ you didn't even know if Kilkenny was on the field, and then Keegan pops up with the goal.
Met so many great Mayo folk yesterday, and this is another hammer blow for them and the team, but they will definitely be back next year. You can be so proud of those warriors yesterday.
Yes they are! No one can come back for the what will be an 8th year of this group together (getting to finals and semi-finals). There's only a trickle of new blood and the baggage is just to much at this stage.
Dublin is a MONSTER. Mayo bursting a gut yesterday hides how far they are ahead!
There is no All Ireland in this Mayo team simply because there is nobody remotely near Dublin on or off the pitch!
I don't know about others but I get tired listening and reading this bulls**t. What you wrote was exactly what was written last year "Nobody can come back for what will be their 7th year) and yet they did. Not alone did they come back but they were bigger, better and more organised than last year and if they want to they can do it again. Two points have seperated Mayo and Dublin over three games and we lost, not because we haven't got it in us to win but because better teams beat us. That doesn't have to be the way always and our day will come if we keep building.
Pessimists like you have nothing to answer except whinging and carping. There are half a dozen young players around the county who can and will add to this team. There are hundreds like you who have dumped on the chances of this team all year and no doubt will go on doing so but there are tens of thousands who BELIEVE as well as hope. Nobody is going to hand us a title and I don't want to see one won by dividing Dublin in three or ten in order to equalise population etc.
The reason Mayo people are so proud of this team is because they reflect the spirit of the county. We are used to hardship. We always knew that it was an uphill battle to make a living, raise a family, start or maintain a business in the west of Ireland (and we are not the only county with these problems). We have learned self-reliance and perseverance. We look up, we step forward and we regroup in adversity. Take your self-pity and your hard-done-byness and feck away off with yourself. You don't deserve to be called a Mayoman
Fr. Time is undefeated, but ok, believe what you want.
Signs of Mayo's regression have been very evident the last two seasons. They've rode their luck and used their experience to get to the last two finals in at least equal measure. I honestly think it's an indictment of the rest of the teams that no one has produced one capable of finishing them off because whatever about Dublin, Mayo are not an insurmountable prospect for the chasing pack.
would you also say then Syf that Dublin havwe regressed over the past 2 years as mayo have put it up to them better in 2016 and 2107 than prior to that.
Only wondering or do you ignore the performances on the pitch & scoreboard in your musings and just stick to the same hymnsheet
Mayo will be back again at the business end of the championship next year, what else are they going to do? I was ready to write them off after the Derry game but they could, and should, have won yesterday. Although COC was unable to nail the vital scoring chance from the free going into injury time I think that the first half was ultimately where the game was lost for Mayo given that they should have been about 5 points up going into the break having wiped Dublin in general play.
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
would you also say then Syf that Dublin havwe regressed over the past 2 years as mayo have put it up to them better in 2016 and 2107 than prior to that.
Only wondering or do you ignore the performances on the pitch scoreboard in your musings and just stick to the same hymnsheet
How can you say Dublin have regressed when they've hammered everyone but Mayo, and even then still beat Mayo every time they play them?
Unlike Mayo, Dublin have introduced many new players that are now key to their team, not least of which being Fenton and O'Callaghan, their team's PotYs each of the last two seasons. Mayo have added a borderline starter at corner back in Harrison in the same period, while even younger players like Durcan or DOC aren't good enough to be assured starters for them above lads well into their third decades.
Go on, tell me a team as long in the tooth as Mayo's key men are can be as set for the future as the Dublin corporate juggernaut is. I fecking dare you.
Mayo definitely have the capability to raise their game for the Dubs. They have enough athleticism to keep up with them in a one off game. However they are not blowing the other teams out of the water like the Dubs routinely are doing. Mayo lost two games and drew three this Summer. That probably represents a certain amount of slippage in itself. Moran and Boyle are struggling to last 70 minutes these days and that's not going to improve a year further on. Keith Higgins seems ageless but surely even he must begin to feel it in his legs eventually.
That said of the other counties who is realistically going to take a step up next year? Tyrone? Kildare? Galway? Roscommon? Monaghan? Armagh? I'd say there is major doubts about all of them for various reasons just yet.
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
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Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
Definitely? Keegans best position is where he plays, best man marker in the game and outscores his marker more often than not. Diarmuid O'Connor didn't stand out at midfield at underage level.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 18, 2017, 03:53:50 PM
Mayo will be back again at the business end of the championship next year, what else are they going to do? .
Retire, work/career, family, travel......
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
Definitely? Keegans best position is where he plays, best man marker in the game and outscores his marker more often than not. Diarmuid O'Connor didn't stand out at midfield at underage level.
I believe so. Pushing Keegan further forward totally blew Kilkenny out of the water. The midfield role has changed so much, even since DOC was a minor. I feel his running game (similar to James McCarthy) is suitable.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
Definitely? Keegans best position is where he plays, best man marker in the game and outscores his marker more often than not. Diarmuid O'Connor didn't stand out at midfield at underage level.
I believe so. Pushing Keegan further forward totally blew Kilkenny out of the water. The midfield role has changed so much, even since DOC was a minor. I feel his running game (similar to James McCarthy) is suitable.
Keegan is 5 foot 10, if that..
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 04:55:29 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 18, 2017, 04:25:44 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on September 18, 2017, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on September 18, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
Definitely? Keegans best position is where he plays, best man marker in the game and outscores his marker more often than not. Diarmuid O'Connor didn't stand out at midfield at underage level.
I believe so. Pushing Keegan further forward totally blew Kilkenny out of the water. The midfield role has changed so much, even since DOC was a minor. I feel his running game (similar to James McCarthy) is suitable.
Keegan is 5 foot 10, if that..
And arguably the best footballer in the country!
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no you insisted Mayo have regressed
as a counter debate I queried do you think Dublin have also re as they have more difficulty in beating them in 2016 and 2017...........
As an aside Harrison was an allstar last year so hardly a borderline starter
If Mayo switch Diarmuid O'Connor and Keegan to midfield and find 1/2 more mobile players they can definitely win it next year!!
Definitely? Keegans best position is where he plays, best man marker in the game and outscores his marker more often than not. Diarmuid O'Connor didn't stand out at midfield at underage level.
I believe so. Pushing Keegan further forward totally blew Kilkenny out of the water. The midfield role has changed so much, even since DOC was a minor. I feel his running game (similar to James McCarthy) is suitable.
Keegan is 5 foot 10, if that..
And arguably the best footballer in the country!
So was Gooch at one point, it didn't make him a midfielder, though.
Good Syf
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately their lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need to discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If they found two new starters then that would create 2 impact players by extension. But from the outside looking in it is hard to see where those players would come from. Probably a corner forward and any kind of back needed. They should not worry about results in the league and gamble on a few newcomers. If they get relegated so be it.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If none of them decide to call it a day I don't think any of their older players are showing signs of regressing. Andy Moran has been arguably the best player in the country and Higgins has been brilliant all year and they are 2 of their veterans. I'm not sure specifically what starting players you reckon need replaced. However a long term injury or a retirement or two and I feel as though they will struggle to get back to another final.
O'Shea had a lot of possession but all he seemed to do was recycle it accrossthe field. I thought he should have been played at FF and allowed to roam from there.
But If mayo could have scored another goal or 2 more points, they would have won the game.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If none of them decide to call it a day I don't think any of their older players are showing signs of regressing. Andy Moran has been arguably the best player in the country and Higgins has been brilliant all year and they are 2 of their veterans. However a long term injury or a retirement or two and I feel as though they will struggle to get back to another final.
SOS is always gassed after 50 minutes, Boyle has no more than 55 minutes in him. Barrett at times the same. Andy was seriously fecked by the time he was pulled yesterday, and that is a regular occurrence. Higgins hides it better by staying deeper but he is completely fúcked in the last ten minutes of most games too.
AOS despite being younger than those lads has 55 minutes in him at championship pace. In the Roscommon drawn game I remember him barely being able to move by the end. Yesterday he was literally walking when he got the ball in the final 15 minutes, totally gassed but no replacement for him so Rochford left him on and his opposite number had a field day. Those lads do not have the full 75-80 minutes of football in them that all but AOS used to have. That is physical, factual regression and deterioration, not of one or two squad players, but the very players Mayo look for to win games.
Shark, if you're trying to tell me they can find three or four players to start and would even be at the same level overall by bringing on the lads listed above for the final 15 minutes then I'm not buying what you're selling. What happened to Donegal is exactly what is happening to Mayo now, albeit in a somewhat more graceful fashion. Normal counties can't replace multiple once in a generation players and remain at the top. Only Dublin, a county with the money and population of a province, can pull off that trick.
Three in a row - fantastic. The last time Dublin were in line for three in a row was thirty nine years ago and I was in Croker that day to see Kerry blow them out of the water.
Yesterday Mayo were ferocious. They fought like demons to the very end but just came up short. This Dublin team just does not accept defeat.
It's great to be a Dublin supporter today.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If none of them decide to call it a day I don't think any of their older players are showing signs of regressing. Andy Moran has been arguably the best player in the country and Higgins has been brilliant all year and they are 2 of their veterans. However a long term injury or a retirement or two and I feel as though they will struggle to get back to another final.
SOS is always gassed after 50 minutes, Boyle has no more than 55 minutes in him. Barrett at times the same. Andy was seriously fecked by the time he was pulled yesterday, and that is a regular occurrence. Higgins hides it better by staying deeper but he is completely fúcked in the last ten minutes of most games too.
AOS despite being younger than those lads has 55 minutes in him at championship pace. In the Roscommon drawn game I remember him barely being able to move by the end. Yesterday he was literally walking when he got the ball in the final 15 minutes, totally gassed but no replacement for him so Rochford left him on and his opposite number had a field day. Those lads do not have the full 75-80 minutes of football in them that all but AOS used to have. That is physical, factual regression and deterioration, not of one or two squad players, but the very players Mayo look for to win games.
Shark, if you're trying to tell me they can find three or four players to start and would even be at the same level overall by bringing on the lads listed above for the final 15 minutes then I'm not buying what you're selling. What happened to Donegal is exactly what is happening to Mayo now, albeit in a somewhat more graceful fashion. Normal counties can't replace multiple once in a generation players and remain at the top. Only Dublin, a county with the money and population of a province, can pull off that trick.
I'm not saying they can. More that they need to. And said 2, not three or four. I don't really know if they can as we haven't seen what level the guys outside the first 20/21 are at, and I don't have any knowledge of their club scene. But they need to find more options.
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If none of them decide to call it a day I don't think any of their older players are showing signs of regressing. Andy Moran has been arguably the best player in the country and Higgins has been brilliant all year and they are 2 of their veterans. However a long term injury or a retirement or two and I feel as though they will struggle to get back to another final.
SOS is always gassed after 50 minutes, Boyle has no more than 55 minutes in him. Barrett at times the same. Andy was seriously fecked by the time he was pulled yesterday, and that is a regular occurrence. Higgins hides it better by staying deeper but he is completely fúcked in the last ten minutes of most games too.
AOS despite being younger than those lads has 55 minutes in him at championship pace. In the Roscommon drawn game I remember him barely being able to move by the end. Yesterday he was literally walking when he got the ball in the final 15 minutes, totally gassed but no replacement for him so Rochford left him on and his opposite number had a field day. Those lads do not have the full 75-80 minutes of football in them that all but AOS used to have. That is physical, factual regression and deterioration, not of one or two squad players, but the very players Mayo look for to win games.
Shark, if you're trying to tell me they can find three or four players to start and would even be at the same level overall by bringing on the lads listed above for the final 15 minutes then I'm not buying what you're selling. What happened to Donegal is exactly what is happening to Mayo now, albeit in a somewhat more graceful fashion. Normal counties can't replace multiple once in a generation players and remain at the top. Only Dublin, a county with the money and population of a province, can pull off that trick.
Can you explain the money reference as yo my eyes you are posting through your rectum using throwaway colloquialisms like financial doping.....
No issue if you can make the case but I have yet to see it properly presented
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Keegan got it last year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
McDonnell 2003?
Yes i forgot about Keegan!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Would Andy Moran be Roscommons first footballer of the year award ?
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 18, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
O'Shea had a lot of possession but all he seemed to do was recycle it accrossthe field. I thought he should have been played at FF and allowed to roam from there.
But If mayo could have scored another goal or 2 more points, they would have won the game.
Aidan's problem is that for all his size, he can't punch holes in a defence because he's too slow.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Would Andy Moran be Roscommons first footballer of the year award ?
Probably - don't think there were such meaningless thingys in the 1940s.
Hopefully he'll retire and get back to supporting his own County.
Quote from: Rudi on September 18, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully.
Well said. Talk all you want about the Dubs, at least we don't two-facedly play the tragic victim card while at the same time constantly showing a lack of class in booing opposition free-takers.
It's hard to feel sorry for Mayo fans.
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Quote from: Rudi on September 18, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully.
Well said. Talk all you want about the Dubs, at least we don't two-facedly play the tragic victim card while at the same time constantly showing a lack of class in booing opposition free-takers.
It's hard to feel sorry for Mayo fans.
Seeing we are on the high victory moral ground, Any comment on O'Gara's Gauge or Face rake?
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 18, 2017, 05:36:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McCarthy got MOTM and POTY on The Sunday Game.
McCarthy kicked 2 good second half points but POTY? Not for me, Aidan O'Se completely outplayed him in that first half and while McCarthy is a great athlete and an excellent half back I'm not sure he was sufficiently outstanding to earn POTY. The same could be said for a lot of Dublin players though. Andy Moran would be my choice who cleaned out Fitzsimmons yesterday before he tired and who has been consistently outstanding for most of the year.
Rochford done all he could do yesterday, Mayo threw the kitchen sink at that match and ultimately there lack of strength in depth cost them again. They need do discover 1 or 2 decent impact players if they are to finally get over the line. With the super 8s coming in next season you would think that they will still be in the top 4 but I hope they stick together and give it one last shot because at the minute they have the dubious honour of being the best side never to win an AI title. In another era they might have had 3.
You're making the erroneous assumption they don't desperately need replacements for some of their starters too.
If none of them decide to call it a day I don't think any of their older players are showing signs of regressing. Andy Moran has been arguably the best player in the country and Higgins has been brilliant all year and they are 2 of their veterans. However a long term injury or a retirement or two and I feel as though they will struggle to get back to another final.
SOS is always gassed after 50 minutes, Boyle has no more than 55 minutes in him. Barrett at times the same. Andy was seriously fecked by the time he was pulled yesterday, and that is a regular occurrence. Higgins hides it better by staying deeper but he is completely fúcked in the last ten minutes of most games too.
AOS despite being younger than those lads has 55 minutes in him at championship pace. In the Roscommon drawn game I remember him barely being able to move by the end. Yesterday he was literally walking when he got the ball in the final 15 minutes, totally gassed but no replacement for him so Rochford left him on and his opposite number had a field day. Those lads do not have the full 75-80 minutes of football in them that all but AOS used to have. That is physical, factual regression and deterioration, not of one or two squad players, but the very players Mayo look for to win games.
Shark, if you're trying to tell me they can find three or four players to start and would even be at the same level overall by bringing on the lads listed above for the final 15 minutes then I'm not buying what you're selling. What happened to Donegal is exactly what is happening to Mayo now, albeit in a somewhat more graceful fashion. Normal counties can't replace multiple once in a generation players and remain at the top. Only Dublin, a county with the money and population of a province, can pull off that trick.
Can you explain the money reference as yo my eyes you are posting through your rectum using throwaway colloquialisms like financial doping.....
No issue if you can make the case but I have yet to see it properly presented
Seriously?
Yes seriously.
Very easy throw it around but prove the point.....
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 18, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
Quote from: Rudi on September 18, 2017, 02:25:29 PM
The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully.
Well said. Talk all you want about the Dubs, at least we don't two-facedly play the tragic victim card while at the same time constantly showing a lack of class in booing opposition free-takers.
It's hard to feel sorry for Mayo fans.
Seeing we are on the high victory moral ground, Any comment on O'Gara's Gauge or Face rake?
Or the cynical synchronised pulling down of mayo players after Rock's last free? You can be a classless winner as well you know
Mayo keep defying the odds and coming back again and again, yesterday they were desperately unlucky and they deserve a few breaks but that's football.
7 of the starting XV next year will be in their 30s. They really need to fast track some fresh blood in next year. Mayo's forward problems have been well documented over the past few years but I thought they were brilliant at the business end this year. Moran is the FOTY, COC has had his all round game much improved this year but his free taking dropped a level below his norm, Doherty really catapulted himself from a bit of a workhorse to something much more polished.
With the likes of Moran, Boyle, Higgins and SOS another year older they will need to find some other players to add to the team but I think they are probably the team best equipped to topple Dublin next year.
From the outside looking in I don't know who Mayo bring in to strengthen their team. They have gotten out of some seriously deep holes through miraculous type play from the likes of Boyle, Moran and Higgins. However, no man can stop time and next year they face the extended super 8 format.
Not being harsh here but I'm struggling to think of a consistent option off the bench this year. You have one top class option in Durkan/DOC (depending who starts), however, no one else is making a difference. It looked like Loftus could make a break but he was disappointing later in the Championship. In fact I think he was at fault for McCarthy's equaliser by running into the Dublin tackle and losing the ball.
Coen from the u21 appears decent but isn't having a major impact at all. Is anyone else ready from that u21 team? Is there even many on the bench?The Tyrone team that won the u21 the year before has at least 4/5 starters on senior team and more on the bench. I don't hear too many new names being bandied about the Mayo team.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on September 18, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
Mayo keep defying the odds and coming back again and again, yesterday they were desperately unlucky and they deserve a few breaks but that's football.
7 of the starting XV next year will be in their 30s. They really need to fast track some fresh blood in next year. Mayo's forward problems have been well documented over the past few years but I thought they were brilliant at the business end this year. Moran is the FOTY, COC has had his all round game much improved this year but his free taking dropped a level below his norm, Doherty really catapulted himself from a bit of a workhorse to something much more polished.
With the likes of Moran, Boyle, Higgins and SOS another year older they will need to find some other players to add to the team but I think they are probably the team best equipped to topple Dublin next year.
Maybe a younger Tyrone side will be just as well equipped to topple the Dubs if get in their faces and under their skin like Mayo have done to Dublin in recent years.
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Losing a final is far more crushing than losing in an earlier round. I can't relate directly to Mayo as my county have never been in or close to an all-Ireland. But I do know that having lost 4 county senior finals as a player that it is significantly harder to take than being knocked out at an earlier stage. It's a pretty easy concept to understand.
A Dublin supporter complaining about Mayo booing free takers; the irony; the dubs introducing booing for free takers!
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Andy Moran has now lost 6 All Ireland finals and won none.
They've lost 3 finals in 5 years by a single point to the same opposition.
They've been good enough to win it but just keep coming up that fraction short.
Your analogy is way off the mark, there is no comparison with Mayo in the past 7/8 years that I can think of.
Down made two finals in the 90s, they won them. Derry made 1 they won it, Donegal made 1 they won it. Armagh made 2 in the 00s, they won one, Tyrone made three in the 00s, they won three. Cork eventually got over the line in 2010 after a few final appearances. Kerry won many and lost many.
It's repeated agony and missing a shock win is not a valid comparison to winning your first AI in 60+ years after years of close calls.
This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
McCarthy has a good 2nd half in a final (2 great points and a good fetch) and suddenly (like MDMA the other year) there is a clamour for him to be POTY
Had Doherty buried the goal Moran put on a plate for him there would be no talk of McCarthy and Moran would be the only contender
Moran had close to a perfect game...missed one shot...everything else perfection...turning on a sixpence and laying on goal chances...he lies deep and is the fulcrum of everything they do up front...as clear a POTY as you could get. Cooper and McMahon and Mick Fitz were hanging out of him off the ball but he still was 1st to the ball
If he retires Mayo are fcuked...id be begging him back
And taking him off?! Madness....as a FF you get a rest and recover...its not like hes out running in the midfield...one more ball won, turn and shoot or lay off for a goal and Mayo may have won...theyd no one else capable when he went off
And Donie Vaughan.... :'(
Quote from: dublin7 on September 18, 2017, 09:05:41 PM
This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Long bans for both Keegan and O'Gara please!
Quote from: Gold on September 18, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
McCarthy has a good 2nd half in a final (2 great points and a good fetch) and suddenly (like MDMA the other year) there is a clamour for him to be POTY
Had Doherty buried the goal Moran put on a plate for him there would be no talk of McCarthy and Moran would be the only contender
Moran had close to a perfect game...missed one shot...everything else perfection...turning on a sixpence and laying on goal chances...he lies deep and is the fulcrum of everything they do up front...as clear a POTY as you could get. Cooper and McMahon and Mick Fitz were hanging out of him off the ball but he still was 1st to the ball
If he retires Mayo are fcuked...id be begging him back
And taking him off?! Madness....as a FF you get a rest and recover...its not like hes out running in the midfield...one more ball won, turn and shoot or lay off for a goal and Mayo may have won...theyd no one else capable when he went off
And Donie Vaughan.... :'(
Moran was pointing to his hamstring shortly before he was subbed. He was clearly injured when they took him off.
Quote from: Gold on September 18, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
I agree.
Mistake taking him off yesterday just because he hit a wide. He was still well able to show for the ball.
Johnny Cooper was Dublin's best player this year. Mannion and Rock top class too, and of course Con with his two awesome goals in semi and final has to be young player of the year.
QuoteMoran was pointing to his hamstring shortly before he was subbed. He was clearly injured when they took him off.
Didnt see that at the game or on the TV. He jogged off very comfortably. With Mayo 2 ahead.
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Quote from: Gold on September 18, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
I agree.
Mistake taking him off yesterday just because he hit a wide. He was still well able to show for the ball.
Johnny Cooper was Dublin's best player this year. Mannion and Rock top class too, and of course Con with his two awesome goals in semi and final has to be young player of the year.
QuoteMoran was pointing to his hamstring shortly before he was subbed He was clearly injured when they took him off.
Didnt see that at the game or on the TV. He jogged off very comfortably. With Mayo 2 ahead.
Missed that too..was in the Canal end..just thought it was predetermined madness like James McCartan taking off McComisky in 2010
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
You clearly don't get it. A bit of empathy in a person is no bad thing but i guess you can't show empathy here because you don't have the experience of your own county getting anywhere near the summit that Mayo have so nearly reached. Losing one all-Ireland final by a point would be galling enough but to lose the number Mayo have, is as near to hell as any football person would want.
I admire the guts and quality of this Mayo team. For the likes of Barrett and Moran to be on the losing end after their performances yesterday is hard to fathom. The only crumb for Mayo folk is that when their day comes, and it will eventually, it will be all the sweeter for all the sickening defeats.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Losing a final is far more crushing than losing in an earlier round. I can't relate directly to Mayo as my county have never been in or close to an all-Ireland. But I do know that having lost 4 county senior finals as a player that it is significantly harder to take than being knocked out at an earlier stage. It's a pretty easy concept to understand.
Hardly, the manner is everything. At the end of the day if you make the final and lose by a point you can have little to complain about. It's a lot tougher to be a genuine supporter in Leitrim or Carlow or Cavan than Mayo.
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Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2017, 09:25:46 PM
Quote from: Gold on September 18, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
I agree.
Mistake taking him off yesterday just because he hit a wide. He was still well able to show for the ball.
Johnny Cooper was Dublin's best player this year. Mannion and Rock top class too, and of course Con with his two awesome goals in semi and final has to be young player of the year.
QuoteMoran was pointing to his hamstring shortly before he was subbed He was clearly injured when they took him off.
Didnt see that at the game or on the TV. He jogged off very comfortably. With Mayo 2 ahead.
Missed that too..was in the Canal end..just thought it was predetermined madness like James McCartan taking off McComisky in 2010
Andy got injured as he slid in for the ball he slipped to Doherty for the goal chance about 42min. Shortly after Keegans goal he made his way down to the bench holding his leg and indicating as if he needed to be subbed off. He went back up the field and was attended by physio for a couple of minutes while play was at the other end. He was in ice within seconds of coming off. Whatever about substitution in earlier games he was certainly unable to see out this game.
QuoteHardly, the manner is everything. At the end of the day if you make the final and lose by a point you can have little to complain about. It's a lot tougher to be a genuine supporter in Leitrim or Carlow or Cavan than Mayo.
As a Dublin fan I can safely say I far far more enjoyed 92-94 and the Pillar years (when we were playing great and having super wins, but always finding someone too good for us even when we thought this would be our year) that the years when we were being knocked out early by Micko's Kildare and Laois, Boylan's Meath and Paidi's Westmeath and were miles away from challenging for Sam.
The Mayo fans have had an amazing rollercoaster. Of course it would be better to have a Sam, but Mayo have had some amount of fantastic days over the last few years - more than almost every other county in either code.
Quote from: Hound on September 18, 2017, 10:06:27 PM
As a Dublin fan I can safely say I far far more enjoyed 92-94 and the Pillar years (when we were playing great and having super wins, but always finding someone too good for us even when we thought this would be our year) that the years when we were being knocked out early by Micko's Kildare and Laois, Boylan's Meath and Paidi's Westmeath and were miles away from challenging for Sam.
The Mayo fans have had an amazing rollercoaster. Of course it would be better to have a Sam, but Mayo have had some amount of fantastic days over the last few years - more than almost every other county in either code.
Nice days out isn't how anyone judges sport.
Syferian you haven't answered yet my query 're your assertions regarding Dublin and "financial doping".
Would like yo see some facts presented
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Andy Moran has now lost 6 All Ireland finals and won none.
Lost 5? Was injured In 2012
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Bernard Brogan 2010
Quote from: blanketattack on September 18, 2017, 10:18:08 PM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro link=topic=28129.msg1737831#msg1737831
Andy Moran has now lost 6 All Ireland finals and won none.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 18, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Bernard Brogan 2010
Yea ... Andy Moran was brilliant all year saw him live in Castlebar (v Derry) and yesterday in Croker. A real 'role model' strong, skilful, great team player and very disciplined
Lost 5? Was injured In 2012
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Quote from: shark on September 18, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Losing a final is far more crushing than losing in an earlier round. I can't relate directly to Mayo as my county have never been in or close to an all-Ireland. But I do know that having lost 4 county senior finals as a player that it is significantly harder to take than being knocked out at an earlier stage. It's a pretty easy concept to understand.
Hardly, the manner is everything. At the end of the day if you make the final and lose by a point you can have little to complain about. It's a lot tougher to be a genuine supporter in Leitrim or Carlow or Cavan than Mayo.
You think your a smart boy sphillis but you just show up your own stupidity and your clear lack of ever playing the game at any level worth talking about. Losing on the biggest day is way harder than losing in a group stage match - anyone who ever engaged their brain knows that. You are so jealous of Mayo you are even now trying to say that there is more sorrow in Roscommon. Sorry lad, you don't even win in the sorrow stakes either.
Mayo are fighters and will be back again next year.
29 counties in Ireland wishing they had Harrison, Higgins, Keegan, Barrett, Boyle, Parsons, O'Shea, McLoughlin et al lining out for them. Warriors carried out on their shields.
Yesterday's game was magnificent, absolutely magnificent.
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: shark on September 18, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Losing a final is far more crushing than losing in an earlier round. I can't relate directly to Mayo as my county have never been in or close to an all-Ireland. But I do know that having lost 4 county senior finals as a player that it is significantly harder to take than being knocked out at an earlier stage. It's a pretty easy concept to understand.
Hardly, the manner is everything. At the end of the day if you make the final and lose by a point you can have little to complain about. It's a lot tougher to be a genuine supporter in Leitrim or Carlow or Cavan than Mayo.
Please Syf, go away and stop spouting shite.
You said earlier that "I honestly don't get this stuff" and yet went on and on as if you were an expert on the subject. Wait until Ross gets to the final and loses it by a whisker a few times on the trot and you might change your mind.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 18, 2017, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 18, 2017, 06:24:41 PM
OShea had run out steam last 15mins but but Mayo didnt try him on the full forward line where he could drew fouls! Probably need a new midfielder and corner bck next year with S OShea and Higgins coming off the bench! Likely need to look at a playmaking center half with A OShea pushed into the full forward line! A Moran should be footballer of the year but only Jim McKeever even got one been in a team which lost the All Ireland! Moran been the best player this year!
Bernard Brogan 2010
Lee Keegan last year.
2016 - Keegan
2010 - Brogan
2003 - McDonnell
1995 - Canavan
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Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: shark on September 18, 2017, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 18, 2017, 08:50:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
Losing a final is far more crushing than losing in an earlier round. I can't relate directly to Mayo as my county have never been in or close to an all-Ireland. But I do know that having lost 4 county senior finals as a player that it is significantly harder to take than being knocked out at an earlier stage. It's a pretty easy concept to understand.
Hardly, the manner is everything. At the end of the day if you make the final and lose by a point you can have little to complain about. It's a lot tougher to be a genuine supporter in Leitrim or Carlow or Cavan than Mayo.
Please Syf, go away and stop spouting shite.
You said earlier that "I honestly don't get this stuff" and yet went on and on as if you were an expert on the subject. Wait until Ross gets to the final and loses it by a whisker a few times on the trot and you might change your mind.
I'd take it in a heartbeat over what we have. So would probably every county in Ireland bar Kerry and Dublin. You and Itchy having a competition to fall over yourselves to shout me down doesn't change the fact you have it very fùcking good.
Sorry, but regret and pity is not reserved for the second best team in Ireland. You're in the wrong racket if you think it is.
:-[ :-[ :-X
G the roscommon posters hatred/ bitterness of Mayo comes to tbe fore after a Mayo defeat,
Mayo don't have the forwards to put teams away so while they do win games they have to grind out the win and the opposition always have a chance.
After 70 minutes it becomes binary for Mayo. Binary means flipping a coin. They can't get far enough ahead. They get sucked into something they can't control. Key players run out of gas. Cillian O Connor may miss a free. The kickouts may or may not work.
They had this in 2 of the qualifiers (going to extra time) and with Kerry and the Dubs. When it becomes binary they have no control. They get dragged into dogfights . They may win. They may not.
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Mayo were in cruise control for the first 20 minutes of the half but they've been dragged back into a dog fight. Who can hold their nerve in Limerick now?
81 mins Cork 2-19 Mayo 0-24
The defining 10 minutes of the summer for these teams throws in. Kevin O'Driscoll tries his luck from distance but clocks up Cork's 14th wide of the game.
83 mins Cork 2-19 Mayo 0-26
Keith Higgins shows tremendous energy as he bursts through the Cork rearguard. He has options left and right but fists over the bar to make it all square. Diarmuid O'Connor follows that up with a gorgeous score, cutting across the ball from the right to split the posts and put Mayo ahead.
85 mins Cork 2-19 Mayo 0-27
Cillian O'Connor makes no mistake with the 45. Mayo go two points ahead.
89 mins Cork 2-20 Mayo 0-27
Mayo playing keep-ball. Ruairi Deane is penalised for a foul on the right touchline; Cork management spills on to the pitch in protest at that decision. Alan Dillon kicks the free into Cork hands though!
90 + 1 mins Cork 2-20 Mayo 0-27
Cork keep coming. They work an opening for Sean White but the Clonakilty man sends it wide. Three minutes of injury time.
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Cork could have gotten the draw. Cork could have won. Cork had 14 wides. Fifty fifty. Mayo ground out the win.
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The team is getting older but they should be able to give it another rattle next year by focusing on 70+ and what would make it work for Mayo. Tactical substitutions to have the legs at the key time. Kicking off the weak foot is another attention to detail thing . What else can they do to control 70+? They are definitely good enough otherwise.
Fógra: all the pundits in June talking about the top 3. Dubs Kerry and Tyrone.
And Tyrone .
I have no grá for Mayo but I think Andy Moran should have got POTY to be honest. Every game I was saying "he'll get found out today" but he didn't and was excellent again on Sunday. So crucial to Mayo, they've no one else who can attempt to do what he does. He might get the Allstars one.
The qualifiers have rehabbed this Mayo team a few times and it can happen again. It will be woeful hard for them next season but if they don't get beaten twice before the super 8's they'll be there or thereabouts again. The age profile should worry them but getting one or two lads through in a league campaign is not unusual for big counties with large player bases.
Quote from: Gold on September 18, 2017, 09:17:15 PM
Andy Moran is the POTY by a country mile.
McCarthy has a good 2nd half in a final (2 great points and a good fetch) and suddenly (like MDMA the other year) there is a clamour for him to be POTY
Had Doherty buried the goal Moran put on a plate for him there would be no talk of McCarthy and Moran would be the only contender
Moran had close to a perfect game...missed one shot...everything else perfection...turning on a sixpence and laying on goal chances...he lies deep and is the fulcrum of everything they do up front...as clear a POTY as you could get. Cooper and McMahon and Mick Fitz were hanging out of him off the ball but he still was 1st to the ball
If he retires Mayo are fcuked...id be begging him back
And taking him off?! Madness....as a FF you get a rest and recover...its not like hes out running in the midfield...one more ball won, turn and shoot or lay off for a goal and Mayo may have won...theyd no one else capable when he went off
And Donie Vaughan.... :'(
I think Dublin still would have come back if Doherty had scored the goal.
They dominated the final 15 minutes and if needed would have scored two or three goals
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The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully.
Well said. Talk all you want about the Dubs, at least we don't two-facedly play the tragic victim card while at the same time constantly showing a lack of class in booing opposition free-takers.
It's hard to feel sorry for Mayo fans.
Seeing we are on the high victory moral ground, Any comment on O'Gara's Gauge or Face rake?
Or the cynical synchronised pulling down of mayo players after Rock's last free? You can be a classless winner as well you know
Mayo did it to Kerry in the semi final
Its always been part of the game
Actually, it was worse 20 years ago
So get over yourself stop whinging
There has been a lot talked about and been wrote on the age of the Mayo which is justified I totally understand it.
But the Dubs required 4 subs on Sunday over 30 ( Flynn, Connolly, Mc Manamon and Brogan) to get them over the line.Add to this that by next years championship the ages of the players below:
Cluxton 36,
O Suvillian 30,
Daly 30,
Mc Mahon 31,
Bastick 37,
Mc Auley 32,
Andrews 30,
O Gara 32
They can probably go to the well maybe another two years but with all the resources can they replace this level of talent going forward if they start losing them en masse.
Con O Callaghan is exceptional player, I like Lowndes and Costello but beyond that have they players to continue there dominance long term?
Will they be a Kerry of the 70's/80's, Meath late 80's/Early 90's, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal of 2012. Great teams of there times that came together but ran the course together and died as a team together. It took Kerry 15 years to recover, Meath, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal have never really recovered.
There is a lot of discussion about Dublin's money, resources and facilities which I get and buy into to some extent. But I also believe this is a case of an exceptionally talented bunch of lads coming together at the same time and in a few years they wont be the dominant team they have been.
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The treatment Rock got in the lead up to taking the final free was shocking. The Mayo supporters and 2 nearest players behaved disgracefully.
Well said. Talk all you want about the Dubs, at least we don't two-facedly play the tragic victim card while at the same time constantly showing a lack of class in booing opposition free-takers.
It's hard to feel sorry for Mayo fans.
Seeing we are on the high victory moral ground, Any comment on O'Gara's Gauge or Face rake?
Or the cynical synchronised pulling down of mayo players after Rock's last free? You can be a classless winner as well you know
Mayo did it to Kerry in the semi final
Its always been part of the game
Actually, it was worse 20 years ago
So get over yourself stop whinging
I'm not whinging - it was a response to a cheap classless dig from someone who should be enjoying a great victory rather than having an unnecessary kick at Mayo.
Anyway, congrats to Dublin on their win. I thought it was a fantastic occasion - the atmosphere was brilliant, the weather was great.
When Mayo went two up in the second half I truly believed they would win. Can't fault the Mayo players, they gave it everything and did very little wrong and came out on the wrong side of a one-point game again - very harsh on them.
Without sounding like I'm disrespectful Mayo... but people belittle Armagh's one All Ireland, great teams win more than one etc. And while it could easily have worked out better or worse for us in terms of AI's, the one we did win brought so much joy to the county (two would have brought more. But anyway...)
But it would be a real shame if this Mayo team came so close and were remembered for not winning any AI titles.
I hope Mayo do go on and win that AI title with this team. Their efforts have merited it.
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This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Probably no mention of it because he didn't throw it at Rock. He threw it at the ball. Not ideal but hardly a lot worse then the carry on with the goalkeepers kicking tees or a lot of other incidents in the match.
This Dublin obsession with Lee Keegan has got totally out of hand. All over social media again today, all these gobshites, most of who have probably never even seen a match feel its ok to abuse and say what ever they want about him. Some even giving out that he had the cheek to fistpump into the hill half full with Mayo people after scoring the goal.
Just enjoy your victory and the great achievement of the Dublin team.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 19, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Without sounding like I'm disrespectful Mayo... but people belittle Armagh's one All Ireland, great teams win more than one etc. And while it could easily have worked out better or worse for us in terms of AI's, the one we did win brought so much joy to the county (two would have brought more. But anyway...)
But it would be a real shame if this Mayo team came so close and were remembered for not winning any AI titles.
I hope Mayo do go on and win that AI title with this team. Their efforts have merited it.
Mayo will be back next year
They are too strong for anyone in Connacht and know how to win in Croke Park
I wouldn't read most of the nonsense posted here by ignorance hate filled fools.
Dublin's toughest match this decade, and still came out on top, all odds stacked against them, the country against them and still did it. Heart and passion with naturally gifted skill that cant be developed. Role models, gentlemen, proper Gaels, good GAA and club men, led by a great General. Greatest team of all time, it wont last forever but will always been in the history books. Setting the standard on and off the pitch how to go about being great.
Hard luck Mayo, highest scoring losing finalists ever, did everything right and unlucky, you lost by 1 to the greatest team ever. Heads up, go again, what else can you do.
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I wouldn't read most of the nonsense posted here by ignorance hate filled fools.
Dublin's toughest match this decade, and still came out on top, all odds stacked against them, the country against them and still did it. Heart and passion with naturally gifted skill that cant be developed. Role models, gentlemen, proper Gaels, good GAA and club men, led by a great General. Greatest team of all time, it wont last forever but will always been in the history books. Setting the standard on and off the pitch how to go about being great.
Hard luck Mayo, highest scoring losing finalists ever, did everything right and unlucky, you lost by 1 to the greatest team ever. Heads up, go again, what else can you do.
All odds stacked against them - Give me a break!
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I wouldn't read most of the nonsense posted here by ignorance hate filled fools.
Dublin's toughest match this decade, and still came out on top, all odds stacked against them, the country against them and still did it. Heart and passion with naturally gifted skill that cant be developed. Role models, gentlemen, proper Gaels, good GAA and club men, led by a great General. Greatest team of all time, it wont last forever but will always been in the history books. Setting the standard on and off the pitch how to go about being great.
Hard luck Mayo, highest scoring losing finalists ever, did everything right and unlucky, you lost by 1 to the greatest team ever. Heads up, go again, what else can you do.
When you started with that I thought the rest could only get better. it didn't.
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This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Probably no mention of it because he didn't throw it at Rock. He threw it at the ball. Not ideal but hardly a lot worse then the carry on with the goalkeepers kicking tees or a lot of other incidents in the match.
This Dublin obsession with Lee Keegan has got totally out of hand. All over social media again today, all these gobshites, most of who have probably never even seen a match feel its ok to abuse and say what ever they want about him. Some even giving out that he had the cheek to fistpump into the hill half full with Mayo people after scoring the goal.
Just enjoy your victory and the great achievement of the Dublin team.
This x 10.
Congrats to Dublin on a great victory but some of the bitching by some Dubs on social media and indeed on here stinks to be honest. The name calling of Lee Keegan for throwing a GPS Tracker is laughable when you see what some of their own have done down through the years.
Lessons in humility for some (not too far away) wouldn't go amiss.
Well done to Dublin. A brilliant achievement by a brilliant team. It's better we leave the other debates to another time.
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Happened to be in the Citywest hotel today with work and it would have broke your heart to see those lads get on the bus to head home... fair play to the fans that stayed and tried to raise their spirits but it was like a morgue. They might make it back but you can only put your body and mind through the mill so many times
I honestly don't get this stuff.
I don't feel a bit sorry for the Mayo players, or their supporters. Lads in Ballagh I know were apparently in tears coming out, so was Rochford obviously. I've seen my county lose every single year, and 31 other counties besides Mayo fail every single championship as well. I had to watch for 60 plus minutes as my county played out a lost match in Croke Park against their biggest rivals, a week after nearly beating the same opponents. That was a much more crushing experience than losing to the best team in the sport by a single point. So what? This is the nature of support. You embrace both sides or you embrace none at all.
You suck it the fúck up and come back again next year. That's sport and getting lost in the emotion of Mayo's continual failure as if it isn't something nearly every other county experiences every year is the aspect of all this back-patting that gets lost. Whether you lose the AI by a point, or lose the first round of the Qualifiers by 20, you're still ending the year as a loser. Getting to a final qualifies you for no special treatment and Mayo would understand that better than most.
Last year, and this year, Mayo brought the losses on themselves. that's not me being hard-hearted, it's simply a fact. There's far more deserving counties than Mayo to break your heart over, because they have it better than all but a single county.
The above is possibly the biggest load of bull I've read in a while and actually proves to me that you know SFA about the game.Only someone who has never played the game at any level would come out with that rubbish.
To even compare the heartbreak Mayo fans suffered on Sunday to what we had to witness Bank Holiday Monday is like comparing a Audi R8 to a Nissan Micra.
Was i upset when we got tanked that day?Yes in the kind of way your six way accum is let down by a 92nd minute equaliser its par for the course but the hope of maybe it coming up the next day is why you don't think about it too much.
I'm no fan of Mayo and the amount of times i've had to walk out of Castlebar in the last 30 years after being hammered and the sneers and jibes is all par for the course but only a stone hearted non gael wouldn't feel for every Mayo person yesterday.
I cant even imagine the hurt that supporters felt never mind the whole squad and management.Stephen Rochford is a proud Mayo man and has possibly given every last bit of his life and his families life over the last two years to the cause of Mayo winning an All Ireland.If he wants to show his emotion as a man who actually cares about Mayo football then he has every right too.The sacrifices this group have put in over the last number of years is beyond anything me,you or any normal gael can comprehend.
You have done nothing but make jibes towards Rochford and numerous Mayo players safe in the knowledge that your little vendettas against anything Mayo are still burning brightly after Sunday.
If Mayo had won there wouldn't be one word from you on this thread only maybe complaining about how the ref favoured Mayo or some other concoction in your head that they were lucky to win.
You will come back with some other rubbish about playing the man and not the ball but guess what i did it in many's a match and i didn't blink so its not going to have much effect on me now.
The thing is you never played at any level id safely say to experience what its like to be part of a group and experience the highs and the lows of a championship winning/losing side.
To lose a final after so much commitment and sacrifice at any level whether junior or inter county is possibly the worst feeling you can imagine because its not the loss you feel personally but its the loss that your parish or club or county has to take and the sense of comradry that in some way you have all lost something that at that moment in time you think you will never win.Its the pure rawness of sport and is felt more when you are involved its more than human in a sense its almost spiritual.
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This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Probably no mention of it because he didn't throw it at Rock. He threw it at the ball. Not ideal but hardly a lot worse then the carry on with the goalkeepers kicking tees or a lot of other incidents in the match.
This Dublin obsession with Lee Keegan has got totally out of hand. All over social media again today, all these gobshites, most of who have probably never even seen a match feel its ok to abuse and say what ever they want about him. Some even giving out that he had the cheek to fistpump into the hill half full with Mayo people after scoring the goal.
Just enjoy your victory and the great achievement of the Dublin team.
This x 10.
Congrats to Dublin on a great victory but some of the bitching by some Dubs on social media and indeed on here stinks to be honest. The name calling of Lee Keegan for throwing a GPS Tracker is laughable when you see what some of their own have done down through the years.
Lessons in humility for some (not too far away) wouldn't go amiss.
Well done to Dublin. A brilliant achievement by a brilliant team. It's better we leave the other debates to another time.
If you think they were the only ones you're badly mistaken. There were and are many examples on both sides out there. Loads of anonymous trolls who just need to be ignored. Not easy, especially when you're hurting but you should try.
Mayo would have several All Irelands in the last 20-30 years if their level of physical and mental preparation and self analysis in that time matched today. They're very unfortunate to come up against the best side I've ever seen at closing out tight games. Possibly the best side ever.
Excellent post theyellowbus.
Free speech has its downsides.
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There has been a lot talked about and been wrote on the age of the Mayo which is justified I totally understand it.
But the Dubs required 4 subs on Sunday over 30 ( Flynn, Connolly, Mc Manamon and Brogan) to get them over the line.Add to this that by next years championship the ages of the players below:
Cluxton 36,
O Suvillian 30,
Daly 30,
Mc Mahon 31,
Bastick 37,
Mc Auley 32,
Andrews 30,
O Gara 32
They can probably go to the well maybe another two years but with all the resources can they replace this level of talent going forward if they start losing them en masse.
Con O Callaghan is exceptional player, I like Lowndes and Costello but beyond that have they players to continue there dominance long term?
Will they be a Kerry of the 70's/80's, Meath late 80's/Early 90's, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal of 2012. Great teams of there times that came together but ran the course together and died as a team together. It took Kerry 15 years to recover, Meath, Armagh, Tyrone and Donegal have never really recovered.
There is a lot of discussion about Dublin's money, resources and facilities which I get and buy into to some extent. But I also believe this is a case of an exceptionally talented bunch of lads coming together at the same time and in a few years they wont be the dominant team they have been.
I thought Philly looked well below where he has been previously this year. I'd say he'll be phased out next season unless he can get back to form. Andrews is replaceable also. Hasn't really been a massive threat, think Dublin have better lads to come in and do a job. Cluxton should be fine for another few years. No reason why he wouldn't be. None of the others really had much impact this season, particularly in the championship.
Dublin have done a good job of phasing out a lot of those guys already and I'm pretty sure they'll have a few more lads in the pipeline.
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This thread is 58 pages long with ridiculous posts from Mayo fans yet none have mentioned Lee Keegan's disgraceful action throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. If that was a Dublin player there would be calls for a firing squad. Disgusting and deserves a lengthy ban.
The dubs have achieved a phenomenonal achievement of 3 in a row but for some fucked up reason itt all about Mayo losing and not the dubs
Probably no mention of it because he didn't throw it at Rock. He threw it at the ball. Not ideal but hardly a lot worse then the carry on with the goalkeepers kicking tees or a lot of other incidents in the match.
This Dublin obsession with Lee Keegan has got totally out of hand. All over social media again today, all these gobshites, most of who have probably never even seen a match feel its ok to abuse and say what ever they want about him. Some even giving out that he had the cheek to fistpump into the hill half full with Mayo people after scoring the goal.
Just enjoy your victory and the great achievement of the Dublin team.
This x 10.
Congrats to Dublin on a great victory but some of the bitching by some Dubs on social media and indeed on here stinks to be honest. The name calling of Lee Keegan for throwing a GPS Tracker is laughable when you see what some of their own have done down through the years.
Lessons in humility for some (not too far away) wouldn't go amiss.
Well done to Dublin. A brilliant achievement by a brilliant team. It's better we leave the other debates to another time.
If you think they were the only ones you're badly mistaken. There were and are many examples on both sides out there. Loads of anonymous trolls who just need to be ignored. Not easy, especially when you're hurting but you should try.
Mayo would have several All Irelands in the last 20-30 years if their level of physical and mental preparation and self analysis in that time matched today. They're very unfortunate to come up against the best side I've ever seen at closing out tight games. Possibly the best side ever.
But it should be easy when you are not hurting. Dublin won and still feel the need to call the likes of Lee Keegan a 'sc**bag' for throwing a GPS Tracker. I mean come on he threw a GPS Tracker. He didn't maim someone.
Let me add that the majority of winning fans are brilliant. However some are a horrible horrible bunch. We have one of two on here goading etc who should really just smile, happy in the knowledge that their team are the three in a row champions. No need for it at all.
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
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In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
Rationality doesn't come into at that stage AZ. I can understand why Keegan flipped. Too much frustration and desperation in that moment - he knew the game was up and another AI slipped away. It would test anyone's self control.
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Rationality doesn't come into at that stage AZ. I can understand why Keegan flipped. Too much frustration and desperation in that moment - he knew the game was up and another AI slipped away. It would test anyone's self control.
I know sure. I wouldn't be calling him names, or insulting his seed and breed or anything like that, but it was still disappointing to see. Even the way he threw it was fairly sneaky. I'm sure he's not proud of it himself.
Imagine if Rock missed because of it? There'd be war.
Or imagine if a Dub did that to Cillian O'Connor? Facebook would have to close down!
I would have dropped an ACME anvil on Rock's head if it meant I had the chance at winning an All-Ireland.
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I would have dropped an ACME anvil on Rock's head if it meant I had the chance at winning an All-Ireland.
OK Wile. E. Coyote.
Meep Meep
Pure frustration on keegans part but was he right to do it no.
If i was his teammate though and Rock missed the free and we went down and got a score would i care?
Possibly not.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
Excellent post theyellowbus.
Free speech has its downsides.
If that was Sligo would you not be in bits? or even your club?
People showing their emotions is human surely
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Excellent post theyellowbus.
Free speech has its downsides.
If that was Sligo would you not be in bits? or even your club?
People showing their emotions is human surely
I think you're taking me up incorrectly, perhaps I should have been clearer. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
One of the downsides of free speech is that you have to accept the drivel that that poster comes out with. I use the ignore function only when I'm sure there's absolutely nothing to be gained by interacting with a poster. At that point though it's good to avoid the extra noise.
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Rationality doesn't come into at that stage AZ. I can understand why Keegan flipped. Too much frustration and desperation in that moment - he knew the game was up and another AI slipped away. It would test anyone's self control.
I know sure. I wouldn't be calling him names, or insulting his seed and breed or anything like that, but it was still disappointing to see. Even the way he threw it was fairly sneaky. I'm sure he's not proud of it himself.
Imagine if Rock missed because of it? There'd be war.
Or imagine if a Dub did that to Cillian O'Connor? Facebook would have to close down!
Was it any lousier than the Dublin player, Costello?? who kicked all the balls at the side of the Mayo goals away in the build up to the free to ensure that Mayo couldn't kick the ball out quickly.
The dark arts have long been practiced in sport and are usually fairly well shared out between teams
I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
he was trying to dupe the statisticians
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
Excellent post theyellowbus.
Free speech has its downsides.
If that was Sligo would you not be in bits? or even your club?
People showing their emotions is human surely
I think you're taking me up incorrectly, perhaps I should have been clearer. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
One of the downsides of free speech is that you have to accept the drivel that that poster comes out with. I use the ignore function only when I'm sure there's absolutely nothing to be gained by interacting with a poster. At that point though it's good to avoid the extra noise.
Apologies i possibly was just trying to hammer home my point. i didn't take you up incorrectly i was just making the point would that not what you would do if Sligo or your club were unfortunately in that situation.
Anyway here's hoping we both have the opposite scenario in the not too distant future.
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
I don't believe he impacted the result either way but he had a terrible game. Missed the O'Gara incident. Went to Hawkeye twice for two blatantly obvious points because the crowd roared at him. I think both teams had times they should have got frees and times they got soft ones. To me he looked totally lost but considering the pressure he was under with the build up I suppose it's understandable.
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 10:26:03 AM
Excellent post theyellowbus.
Free speech has its downsides.
If that was Sligo would you not be in bits? or even your club?
People showing their emotions is human surely
I think you're taking me up incorrectly, perhaps I should have been clearer. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
One of the downsides of free speech is that you have to accept the drivel that that poster comes out with. I use the ignore function only when I'm sure there's absolutely nothing to be gained by interacting with a poster. At that point though it's good to avoid the extra noise.
Apologies i possibly was just trying to hammer home my point. i didn't take you up incorrectly i was just making the point would that not what you would do if Sligo or your club were unfortunately in that situation.
Anyway here's hoping we both have the opposite scenario in the not too distant future.
Believe me - I've been there with the club especially as a player and official and it's just horrible. As a supporter with the county as well we've have many cruel days. The narrow defeats are the worst.
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In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
I don't believe he impacted the result either way but he had a terrible game. Missed the O'Gara incident. Went to Hawkeye twice for two blatantly obvious points because the crowd roared at him. I think both teams had times they should have got frees and times they got soft ones. To me he looked totally lost but considering the pressure he was under with the build up I suppose it's understandable.
Missed a penalty, vaughan was a yellow not a red, give a lot of silly frees.
The sponsors need hawk eye to be used.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
I don't believe he impacted the result either way but he had a terrible game. Missed the O'Gara incident. Went to Hawkeye twice for two blatantly obvious points because the crowd roared at him. I think both teams had times they should have got frees and times they got soft ones. To me he looked totally lost but considering the pressure he was under with the build up I suppose it's understandable.
You can blame the umpires for that one. Missed one and it was 10ft above his head! You cant blame McQuillan for that.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 11:14:50 AM
I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
I don't believe he impacted the result either way but he had a terrible game. Missed the O'Gara incident. Went to Hawkeye twice for two blatantly obvious points because the crowd roared at him. I think both teams had times they should have got frees and times they got soft ones. To me he looked totally lost but considering the pressure he was under with the build up I suppose it's understandable.
Missed a penalty, vaughan was a yellow not a red, give a lot of silly frees.
The sponsors need hawk eye to be used.
I think it's been accepted that it wasn't a penalty under the rules. He was fouled outside the box initially.
Surely it's the umpires that requested the Hawkeye and regardless of the reason, if it had been shown to have gone wide and he gave the point, there'd be the obvious question as to why he didn't use Hawkeye.
There's a case for a yellow for Vaughan but I wouldn't say it was definitely a yellow. He went for the player with his arm above the player's shoulders.
Vaughan was a red surely? That's the first time I've seen someone claim otherwise.
Ref has to call for Hawkeye. Surely he could see himself they were points but he was like a scared rabbit all day. Petrified of making an error.
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In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
Were O'Gara's fingers squirrelled away somewhere on the quiet too?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
Were O'Gara's fingers squirrelled away somewhere on the quiet too?
Yawn with the whataboutery.
Boyle is no choirboy - if O'Gara is found guilty of some offence he should do a spell on the sidelines accordingly.
Those calling Vaughan's running clothes line a yellow card really need to get a grip of themselves.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
Vaughan was a red surely? That's the first time I've seen someone claim otherwise.
Ref has to call for Hawkeye. Surely he could see himself they were points but he was like a scared rabbit all day. Petrified of making an error.
A bad thing?
It was a yellow card. it was upgraded to red because it was an All Ireland final with the world watching the referee.
if it had have been any other game it would have been yellow.
If the ref give the initial foul advantage then the game was in play. The next foul happened inside the area. It wasn't a case of bringing it back as the advantage didn't materialize, it was another foul. Penalty.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
Were O'Gara's fingers squirrelled away somewhere on the quiet too?
Yawn with the whataboutery.
Boyle is no choirboy - if O'Gara is found guilty of some offence he should do a spell on the sidelines accordingly.
Those calling Vaughan's running clothes line a yellow card really need to get a grip of themselves.
Whataboutery indeed. I'm not calling anyone choirboys. But you coming on here taking the high moral ground on stuff that takes place on the field is laughable. Or whataboutery if you prefer.
You have history in making up accusations on these pages without backing anything up so it's hard to take you seriously.
Vaughans? Ah no, I have to disagree. It was a red. Running in like that, arm up, and hit a lad across the shoulder/neck/jaw area. You're asking for it.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
Were O'Gara's fingers squirrelled away somewhere on the quiet too?
Yawn with the whataboutery.
Boyle is no choirboy - if O'Gara is found guilty of some offence he should do a spell on the sidelines accordingly.
Those calling Vaughan's running clothes line a yellow card really need to get a grip of themselves.
Whataboutery indeed. I'm not calling anyone choirboys. But you coming on here taking the high moral ground on stuff that takes place on the field is laughable. Or whataboutery if you prefer.
You have history in making up accusations on these pages without backing anything up so it's hard to take you seriously.
I'm not taking any moral high ground - both sides were as bad as each other. A poster claimed it was an act of desperation yet Tony McEntee pocketed the tracker without questions.
What unsubstantiated accusations are these?
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2017, 12:08:21 PM
I'm not taking any moral high ground - both sides were as bad as each other. A poster claimed it was an act of desperation yet Tony McEntee pocketed the tracker without questions.
What unsubstantiated accusations are these?
I don't get how McEntee lifting the tracker means it wasn't an act of desperation?
Ref was poor overall and made some calls which weren't just marginal.
Dublin's free before half time after kilkenny ran into his own man was an extremely harsh free and 9 out of ten refs wouldn't give it.
He bottled the penalty call no foul occurred outside the square it happened inside.he made no hand signal to say he was giving advantage thus suggesting no foul had been committed in the first place outside the square.
Free against fitzsimons was harsh IMO didn't matter in the end but i would find it hard to believe most refs would give it.
There was series of play where the ball was fouled four times (two a piece) in the second half within a forty second spell including a mayo player handling the ball clearly on the ground and a Dublin player throwing the ball and none were pulled.
Vaughan was red card all day long when you lead with the shoulder and you come within the region of a players head which he did its a red card.
Pure insanity on Vaughans part.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 12:06:40 PM
Vaughans? Ah no, I have to disagree. It was a red. Running in like that, arm up, and hit a lad across the shoulder/neck/jaw area. You're asking for it.
Yeah Vaughan gambled and lost. If Small wasn't picking up a second card I think Vaughan wouldn't have seen red.
Quote from: theyellowbus on September 19, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
Ref was poor overall and made some calls which weren't just marginal.
Dublin's free before half time after kilkenny ran into his own man was an extremely harsh free and 9 out of ten refs wouldn't give it.
He bottled the penalty call no foul occurred outside the square it happened inside.he made no hand signal to say he was giving advantage thus suggesting no foul had been committed in the first place outside the square.
Free against fitzsimons was harsh IMO didn't matter in the end but i would find it hard to believe most refs would give it.
There was series of play where the ball was fouled four times (two a piece) in the second half within a forty second spell including a mayo player handling the ball clearly on the ground and a Dublin player throwing the ball and none were pulled.
Vaughan was red card all day long when you lead with the shoulder and you come within the region of a players head which he did its a red card.
Pure insanity on Vaughans part.
He caught him with the inside of his arm.
It doesn't matter what he caught him with he initially lead with his shoulder and didn't try to hide it.
He made contact with the neck/head area and that's a red card.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2017, 11:53:31 AM
Vaughan was a red surely? That's the first time I've seen someone claim otherwise.
Ref has to call for Hawkeye. Surely he could see himself they were points but he was like a scared rabbit all day. Petrified of making an error.
Ref does not have to call for Hawkeye in that if a mistake is made he is informed in his earpiece that it has happened and the bit on the screen is simply for the audience. In the minor game a ball was waved wide, ref played on and moments later was called back on his earpiece, video shown and point awarded.
I have no great love for McQuillan but am happy that he was even handed on Sunday. There are marginal calls and we all have the benefit of tv replays. He doesn't. I doubt if anyone saw the alleged O Gara eye gouge in real time. The penalty claim for Keegan is a debate as to whither there were two separate fouls, one outside the box that continued inside, or a foul outside the box from which he was given advantage only to be fouled a second time. If Small wasn't being sent off I doubt that Donie would have seen red but That's just my opinion. I thought he missed a few fouls on Mayo forwards, AOS in one instance in the first ten minutes but I remind myself nowadays that I'm not impartial and the two lads seated beside me from non-competing counties were not as exercised,
Some good points there but I've never seen Hawkeye called for where they were clearly points. The first one was in the middle of the goals and the second one was low, beside but clearly inside the post. People round me were roaring that it was wide.....obviously in desperation.
Re the penalty incident ..... here is the rule
"If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original"
No matter what way you slice and dice the incident, it should have been a penalty.
The advantage rule should never be used unless there's a goal chance or it's coming out of defense. A scoreable free is the biggest advantage ye can get.
At one stage Connolly had men hanging off him begging for a free but was let go because he held onto the ball. He put it over the bar despite wanting the free
was there even a free though outside the square is my point?
Contact was minimal until the mayo player was well inside and then hauled down.
McQuillan gave no indication at that point of an advantage thus suggesting he initially thought there was no free.
It was only when it become blatant that he decided to give a free on the basis he thought the player was fouled outside the square which obviously didn't happen.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
That's exactly what it was - desperation.
If it wasn't premediated how did McEntee know to squirrel the unit away on the quiet?
Were O'Gara's fingers squirrelled away somewhere on the quiet too?
Yawn with the whataboutery.
Boyle is no choirboy - if O'Gara is found guilty of some offence he should do a spell on the sidelines accordingly.
Those calling Vaughan's running clothes line a yellow card really need to get a grip of themselves.
Whataboutery indeed. I'm not calling anyone choirboys. But you coming on here taking the high moral ground on stuff that takes place on the field is laughable. Or whataboutery if you prefer.
You have history in making up accusations on these pages without backing anything up so it's hard to take you seriously.
I'm not taking any moral high ground - both sides were as bad as each other. A poster claimed it was an act of desperation yet Tony McEntee pocketed the tracker without questions.
What unsubstantiated accusations are these?
What is he supposed to do? Pick up the tracker and head over to the ref and say 'Lee threw this at Dean Rock'? ::)
I think you know what the accusations were. Stop pretending otherwise.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
I wouldn't demonise Lee Keegan over this. The realisation the you are about to lose another All Ireland final by just one point must be horrifying and could make just about anyone do something very rash.
Anyway no one died and Rock didn't seem to notice.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
I wouldn't demonise Lee Keegan over this. The realisation the you are about to lose another All Ireland final by just one point must be horrifying and could make just about anyone do something very rash.
Anyway no one died and Rock didn't seem to notice.
I think Keegan is an absolutely great player but there's no defending what he did or minimizing it. It was pure scum.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:37:19 AM
In fairness Keegan was lousy to do that. Fair play to Rock for keeping his cool, but Keegan went down in my estimation for doing that. To even think of taking the tracker out of it's slot and throwing it at him is fairly desperate.
I wouldn't demonise Lee Keegan over this. The realisation the you are about to lose another All Ireland final by just one point must be horrifying and could make just about anyone do something very rash.
Anyway no one died and Rock didn't seem to notice.
I think Keegan is an absolutely great player but there's no defending what he did or minimizing it. It was pure scum.
Nothing like a bit of over reaction ::)
Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
Re the penalty incident ..... here is the rule
"If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original"
No matter what way you slice and dice the incident, it should have been a penalty.
blast, did you get that from the actual rule book or was it just some randomer on the internet? What's the exact section?
I'm not saying you are not right, because I don't know for sure, but I definitely seen rules quoted before which did not agree with that. I have countless times seen advantages end because the player with the ball was fouled again and the ref always brings it back to the first foul.
Without doubt, the rule should be as you have laid it out. But just not sure it is.
Apologies if already mentioned....
Did anyone hear Second Captains ripping the Mid West Radio commentary? Martin Carney near crying!!!!
Hilarious as I cannot stand the man.
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Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
Re the penalty incident ..... here is the rule
"If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original"
No matter what way you slice and dice the incident, it should have been a penalty.
blast, did you get that from the actual rule book or was it just some randomer on the internet? What's the exact section?
I'm not saying you are not right, because I don't know for sure, but I definitely seen rules quoted before which did not agree with that. I have countless times seen advantages end because the player with the ball was fouled again and the ref always brings it back to the first foul.
Without doubt, the rule should be as you have laid it out. But just not sure it is.
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage
is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul.
If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a
free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original.
Can be found on Page 29 of handbook - link below
http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/51/90/13034RefHandbook_English.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/51/90/13034RefHandbook_English.pdf)
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Quote from: blast05 on September 19, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
Re the penalty incident ..... here is the rule
"If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original"
No matter what way you slice and dice the incident, it should have been a penalty.
blast, did you get that from the actual rule book or was it just some randomer on the internet? What's the exact section?
I'm not saying you are not right, because I don't know for sure, but I definitely seen rules quoted before which did not agree with that. I have countless times seen advantages end because the player with the ball was fouled again and the ref always brings it back to the first foul.
Without doubt, the rule should be as you have laid it out. But just not sure it is.
Foul Subsequent to Advantage Award
If, during the advantage period, a foul is committed by a player of the team which was originally fouled then the advantage
is cancelled and a free kick/puck awarded for the "second" foul.
If, during the advantage period, another foul is committed against the team which received the original advantage, then a
free kick/puck will be awarded for the "second" foul if it is considered more advantageous than the original.
Can be found on Page 29 of handbook - link below
http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/51/90/13034RefHandbook_English.pdf (http://www.gaa.ie/mm/Document/GaaIe/GAANews/13/51/90/13034RefHandbook_English.pdf)
this would need to be pointed out to a lot of referees, because it is very very rarely applied like that
Yes I was amazed myself when I found out that was the rule! There are a lot of (the so called top) referees out there who never apply that rule!
One of the co-commentators (Paul Early I think) regularly says something along the lines of - the ref allowed him take 8 steps because he was playing advantage. That's clearly wrong based on the first part. Although it would be very harsh to award the free the other way where a lad is getting harried/fouled so he can't bounce the ball.
We had an incident in a club game only a few weeks ago, where our midfielder was knocked to the ground in a clear foul. The ref signaled advantage as the ball ended up beside our lad. He grabbed the ball as he was getting up, and the ref then whistled a free the other way for a pick up! Place went into uproar. Turns out that ref was probably right on a strict reading, though I don't think it makes a whole lot of logical sense.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Yes I was amazed myself when I found out that was the rule!
Me too ..... but according to John Fogarty (Examiner gaelic games correspondent), the rule was applied in the minor match.
In any case, i don't recall the ref putting up his hand for advantage for the initial foul which makes the failure to give the penalty even more bizarre.
The rule causes immense frustration in club football. My (adopted) club were relegated. In the relegation playoff, we were trailing by 2 points with a few minutes of normal time to go and the opposition were playing all 15 players within 40m of their goal. A blatant foul on one of our lads on 20m attacking line but ref puts hand up for advantage.... our player manages to re-cycle the ball after the foul and we keep going all way back to 45 to get control of possession again. 5 secs elapse as we end up turning over the ball on 45m line. One of our lads fouls opponent out of pure frustration. Ref awards the free for that and then goes to book the for the first foul on the 20m line.
If the rule keeps is left as is, then players are going to have to be coached into fouling the ball (throw it) when they know they have advantage so that they get the free they want .... same as a scrum half or outhalf in rugby deliberately knocking on when he wants the penalty instead of advantage.
The advice in the referees handbook is at odds with the rulebook. This is the rule in the Official Guide Part 2 (Playing Rules). It is 4.36 and 5.39 in the playing rules of football (in twice as there are separate sections for technical and aggressive fouls).
QuoteWhen a foul is committed, the referee may
allow the play to continue if he considers it to
be to the advantage of the offended team. He
shall signal that advantage by raising an arm
upright and shall allow the advantage to run by
maintaining his arm in the upright position for up
to five seconds after the foul or for less time if it
becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. If
he deems no advantage to have accrued, he may
subsequently award a free for the foul from where
it occurred, except as provided under Exceptions
(v) and (vi) of Rule 2.2. He shall apply any relevant
disciplinary action.
The exceptions quoted are where the referee restarts play with a throw in.
The rulebook takes precedence in all cases.
It's astounding but not surprising that refs are being instructed to apply rules that are not there.
That's some feckin anomaly alright.
Time to add that bit into the T O.
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I've never seen somebody throw an object at a lad taking a free before. That's a new one on me.
How can a ref miss it though? If the free was missed it should have been brought forward 13 metres and retaken. It was a daft thing to do as well as very unsporting. Although McQuillan was so bad it seems he missed this as well.
You thought McQuillan had a poor game? Examples?
I don't believe he impacted the result either way but he had a terrible game. Missed the O'Gara incident. Went to Hawkeye twice for two blatantly obvious points because the crowd roared at him. I think both teams had times they should have got frees and times they got soft ones. To me he looked totally lost but considering the pressure he was under with the build up I suppose it's understandable.
He also missed the C O Connor off the ball incident in the 1st half from which he scored a point from. A O Shea should have received a black card early in the 2nd half. On the hawkeye C O Connor was doing most of the roaring in McQuillans ear, he also roared at the ref not to send off Vaughan but on that occasion it didn't change his mind.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
Or imagine if a Dub did that to Cillian O'Connor? Facebook would have to close down!
No Dublin player would bother resorting to that. Just let COC punt it wide like he always does when it truly matters.
Yellowbus that was one of the classiest posts I've ever seen on here and bang on the money. Rochford and the players put everything into it, you'd expect emotion. Anyone who thinks that losing a final compares to any other match has clearly never played sport, the difference is exponential.
Hard to know what to make of Sunday, not sure I have the stomach to watch it back either.
On Keegan, he did what he had to do, if it had worked I'd have been delighted and there'd have been uproar but can anyone honestly say they wouldn't like their team to do the same? So when I see the Dublin lads pulling us down all over the field I can't complain either. Both are examples of cheating and both are what needs to be done to win games some times. Every team does it.
To the Sligo lads, shocked to hear about Sean Davey's wife, passed away while watching the match abroad, RIP. Puts things in perspective
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 19, 2017, 07:05:13 PM
On Keegan, he did what he had to do, if it had worked I'd have been delighted and there'd have been uproar but can anyone honestly say they wouldn't like their team to do the same? So when I see the Dublin lads pulling us down all over the field I can't complain either. Both are examples of cheating and both are what needs to be done to win games some times. Every team does it.
Fair play to you for being honest. Honestly my estimation of Keegan went up for his doing that. Classless sure, but he showed a desire to win by doing that far more than any other Mayo man on the pitch did.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 19, 2017, 12:01:54 PM
It was a yellow card. it was upgraded to red because it was an All Ireland final with the world watching the referee.
if it had have been any other game it would have been yellow.
If the ref give the initial foul advantage then the game was in play. The next foul happened inside the area. It wasn't a case of bringing it back as the advantage didn't materialize, it was another foul. Penalty.
It was a clear red card. He ran on and clotheslined small as if he Vaughan was the ultimate warrior
Dublin and Mayo served up an absolute classic. The work and dedication to the game that those players have put in is a credit to them. I was gutted for Mayo but buzzing the whole way home having witnessed two sets of warriors going hell for leather to win. Reading this thread would depress the hole off ye though
Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2017, 07:27:17 PM
Dublin and Mayo served up an absolute classic. The work and dedication to the game that those players have put in is a credit to them. I was gutted for Mayo but buzzing the whole way home having witnessed two sets of warriors going hell for leather to win. Reading this thread would depress the hole off ye though
I have noticed reading your posts on here for a Derry man you have a lot love for Mayo. Out of interest what is your connection with Mayo some family there?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
Or imagine if a Dub did that to Cillian O'Connor? Facebook would have to close down!
No Dublin player would bother resorting to that. Just let COC punt it wide like he always does when it truly matters.
Yeah like that equalising score last year you classless p***k
Great game to watch and nerve wrecking to the end. Was very disappointed that Mayo didn't pull it off but the more efficient team in front of goal and smartest street wise won the game. With 7-8 mins left Mayo were 1 or 2 pts up and it really felt to me that they had a fear of winning or maybe not knowing how to win.
In the first half Mayo missed some very bad scores, Keegan dropped one short, Moran took a shot over his shoulder he shouldn't have, O'Connor shot across the goal etc. Even in the 2nd hall O'Shea took a pot shot from under the Cusack stand that he should have held onto. Dublin didn't do that, way more efficient and better at thinking under pressure. Once they went ahead in injury time they locked up all the Mayo backs with pulling, dragging etc. just smarted thinking when it was needed.
Mayo should have got a penalty, both reds were deserved but overall the Ref did well considering he is one man covering 30 players with so much stuff going on.
Keegan was dead right to do what he did at the end, everyone was looking for the fine margins be it verbal, physical or in this case GPS. 1 or 2 inches to the left and COC's free would have gone over and we could have been looking at a different result, fine margins. Its tough on Mayo, very tough on the players and management but althea can do is pick it up again.
This is a great Dublin team, regardless of population etc. its a talented, hungry bunch of lads led by a very focused management team. Congrats to them
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2017, 07:27:17 PM
Dublin and Mayo served up an absolute classic. The work and dedication to the game that those players have put in is a credit to them. I was gutted for Mayo but buzzing the whole way home having witnessed two sets of warriors going hell for leather to win. Reading this thread would depress the hole off ye though
I have noticed reading your posts on here for a Derry man you have a lot love for Mayo. Out of interest what is your connection with Mayo some family there?
A very close friend and holidays in Mulranny..sure whats not to love about the hoors?
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Quote from: JoG2 on September 19, 2017, 07:27:17 PM
Dublin and Mayo served up an absolute classic. The work and dedication to the game that those players have put in is a credit to them. I was gutted for Mayo but buzzing the whole way home having witnessed two sets of warriors going hell for leather to win. Reading this thread would depress the hole off ye though
I have noticed reading your posts on here for a Derry man you have a lot love for Mayo. Out of interest what is your connection with Mayo some family there?
A very close friend and holidays in Mulranny..sure whats not to love about the hoors?
Obviously a man of great discernment ;D
Fcuk sake Mayo.
You broke my heart.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
Fcuk sake Mayo.
You broke my heart.
I didn't know you had one.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on September 19, 2017, 07:20:14 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 19, 2017, 07:05:13 PM
On Keegan, he did what he had to do, if it had worked I'd have been delighted and there'd have been uproar but can anyone honestly say they wouldn't like their team to do the same? So when I see the Dublin lads pulling us down all over the field I can't complain either. Both are examples of cheating and both are what needs to be done to win games some times. Every team does it.
Fair play to you for being honest. Honestly my estimation of Keegan went up for his doing that. Classless sure, but he showed a desire to win by doing that far more than any other Mayo man on the pitch did.
Couldn't laud Keegan for doing that, it was low and proves nothing about his desire to win more than other Mayo players.
I can't see why there is such a reaction to Keegan throwing the GPS tracker. If Rock didn't see it, then it made no difference. If it put him off and he missed, then McQuillan could have ordered a retake and probably moved it up.
You'd swear he gobbed a big green ball of phlegm in Rock's face with some of the reactions on social media and over on reservoirdubs - sc**bag, p***k etc.
I remember Mikey Sheehy telling yarns about how a tuft of grass would thrown across his eyeline back in the day when he lined up a free. Keegan's act is in a similar ballpark to Tommy 'Tom' Carr going alongside Maurice Fitzgerald's for that famous equaliser in 2001 and giving him appraisal of where his career was currently at.
It might be high time to cater for it in the rule book.
On a similar note, something should also be done about cynical acts like kicking away spare footballs and preventing quick kick outs. Forget black card nonsense which is never a useful sanction in injury time. The concession of a 20 metre free in front of goal would be a better deterent.
Perhaps all black cards after the 60th minute should come with the added sanction of a 20 metre free.
Just be thankful lads you were alive to see the greatest football team of them all.
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 19, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
Just be thankful lads you were alive to see the greatest football team of them all.
Hmmm, I'd say a lot of contributors here weren't born when Mick O'Dwyer was in charge of Kerry.
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
I'd imagine, and might be guessing, that you haven't a clue what goes on on a field.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
I'd imagine, and might be guessing, that you haven't a clue what goes on on a field.
You'd be wrong. Trying to use your own experience and those of whom you know as anything but anecdotal evidence is a mistake more than a few here make.
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
I'd imagine, and might be guessing, that you haven't a clue what goes on on a field.
John Tennyson threw a hurley at full force at Lar Corbett in the 2010 final and barely a word was said about it. That was a far worse incident than Keegan's, which you'd have to admire for its ingenuity.
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
Every time a team wins an All-Ireland, it doesn't matter what county it is, you see a paranoia-filled message like this on some internet message board or other.
And they don't stop getting any more cliched or boring.
And that's from a Dub.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 19, 2017, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:22:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
I'd imagine, and might be guessing, that you haven't a clue what goes on on a field.
John Tennyson threw a hurley at full force at Lar Corbett in the 2010 final and barely a word was said about it. That was a far worse incident than Keegan's, which you'd have to admire for its ingenuity.
Surely bettered by the Kilkenny spare hurley man bounding onto the field and flinging a caman at Setanta O'hAilpin as he bore down on goal in the 2003 All Ireland.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
You know Sam is truly resting in the capital when this man logs in to have his yearly outburst
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
You know Sam is truly resting in the capital when this man logs in to have his yearly outburst
That account is likely a troll rather than a real Dublin supporter.
Is Rochford hinting he may step aside? if he does i can imagine James Horan will return to the Mayo hot seat.
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 19, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Keegan went up in my estimation over the GPS thing. Winners try anything to get an advantage in a massive game and anyone close to the Tyrone teams in the 2000s in those 3 All Irelands will tell you just as much. Anyone who thinks they're won by sheer good footballing shouldn't be near it. Witness O'Gara who tired to gouge a lad yet the furore is over a GPS.
But, fcuk sake Mayo.
Some of the greatest players and men who ever player the sport never lowered themselves to Keegan's antics, nevermind Tyrone's.
The gentleman whose photo appears with your moniker was one of them. A gentleman who played within the rules on the field and was an inspirational figure off the field. He set a high standard, firm but fair in all aspects of his life. It's a pity you don't always reflect on that, Syferus, before you post some of your more provocative utterances.
They don't want our sympathy but you'd have to feel sorry for Mayo, was a heartbreaking defeat for them.
Apart from his sending off Vaughan had a poor game, his daft long ball into COC in the first half and him running down into Dublin defenders both led to Dublin scores seconds later whilst a lazy challenge on another Dublin forward led to a score from a free. Connolly & Kevin Mc both did well when they came on but the HT switches resulted in Durcan been switched from Mannion to Kevin Mc. Harrison was given the run around by Mannion, nearly everytime he gained possession in in the 2nd half a score was never far away.
At half time given how outstanding and dominant Mayo were a point lead never seemed enough with Keegan, Durcan and COC all guilty of missing very easy chances. Dublin found it far easier to score in the second half than Mayo did, they engineered some great individual scores and were more efficient than Mayo in the 1st half. 11 points from play is in a half is outstanding against a team as good as Mayo.
Lucky Jim got out of jail, tactically Rochford had his number on Sunday but because of the age profile of a good few of the Mayo players and the lack of quality coming of the bench hindered Mayo.
I'd imagine the likes of Moran, SOS, Boyle & Higgins will give it another year and they'll be back in the closing stages again next year but really need to use the league to find another couple of players to enhance their chances.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
Great post my friend and I agree. However It makes me smile that they are hurting so much.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
And posts like this is the reason why.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on September 19, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
This site is inhabited by a small number of fair minded, balanced individuals but in the main by a bunch of hate filled cnuts! its hard to work out which particular group here is worse, the bitter, chip on the shoulder Northern haters or the desperate delusional Mayo Dub hating contingent?? Always someone else's' fault. Always an excuse no matter how you fcuk up yourselves. Denial lads - it ain't a bleedin river in Egypt 😀
I suppose it doesn't matter a fcuk! It's just brilliant and an honour to bear witness to this Dublin team, the way they play the game, the skill, the mental resolve and their pure never say die ability to win tough football matches. And you know what lads your jealousy, hatred, pathetic small minded innuendos & lies just makes our triumphs so much the sweeter.
As we've come to say in Dublin GAA circles fcuk the haters and most definitely fcuk the begrudgers! See y'all again in 12 months COYBIB! #4inarow
Surely post of the year. I see so much hate but where is the love?
And the "denial" joke........ ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Esmarelda on September 20, 2017, 10:06:33 AM
Surely post of the year. I see so much hate but where is the love?
And the "denial" joke........ ;D ;D ;D
It's from the Jim Gavin book of false wars.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 01:29:32 AM
Is Rochford hinting he may step aside? if he does i can imagine James Horan will return to the Mayo hot seat.
Horan is doing very well for himself with his media committments and I don't see him going back to inter county management. That would be a backward step for Mayo. It's debatable whether Rochford will stay on though I suspect that depends on the intentions of some of his senior players. When the wagons are circled, I suspect that they may all decide to give it one last year before a major rebuild under a new manager.
Watched the game back in its entirety last night. What a game it was. Mayo are desperately unfortunate to come up against such a good team. Many All Ireland finals have been won by vastly inferior performances than they produced last Sunday. There's not much more they could have done on this occasion. Dublin and Gavin in particular made some mistakes but were just able to wiggle over the line due to their amazing bench mainly.
I know it's an absolute killer for Mayo but maybe the fact that they didn't leave this one behind might make it easier to get over in time. You'd have to say it would be a major surprise if they're not back in a semi final next season and then they'd have every chance again. They won an U21 title last year I think and there's always loads of great players in Mayo so I'd suspect they'll bring through the couple more they need. Whether the older guys can stay at this level for another year is debatable but helped by only having to peak in July/August.
Just thinking there (dangerous activity), after black card on Kilkenny, and there could've been at least 3 more, from kick out should it not have been a mayo free? That would have opened option of Clarke as receiver & allowed mayo possession & chance to build. Believe Joe would've given any hint of a foul as a free in to tie it up. Pity...a replay would've been something to relish
Any Mayo supporter or pundit condemn the despicable act of Leroy in throwing his toy at Rock. Didn't think so. Yet loud mouths like Carney etc were quick to condemn the booing minority of Roscommon supporters. The same day Donie Smith got the loudest boo prior to hitting that equaliser. The hyprocisy of Mayo supporters. What if the shoe was on the other foot, let's say COC was stepping up to win the All Ireland and a unit was thrown at him by DConn and me misses. Pure war every builder and their wives in Mayo would be on the pitch.
For balance the way Dublin closed out the game was horrendous and needs to be looked at. Every club is now going to mimic this crap.
Does ball not have to be in play for a free to be awarded?
A few lads I was in company with afterwards were disappointed it wasn't a replay! And they weren't supporting Mayo!!!
I bet the Mayo Co Board won't be apologising to Rock unlike our crowd.
How can you stop a team playing keep ball?
Can't pass the ball backwards?
CHARLIE Redmond has called on the GAA to take strong action against Lee Keegan after he appeared to throw a GPS unit at Dean Rock as he kicked the winning free in last Sunday's All-Ireland SFC final.
He also branded the reigning Footballer of the Year's action "a new low" for Gaelic football.
"For Lee Keegan to take the unit out of its brace and throw it at Dean Rock marks a new low," the double All-Ireland winner stated.
"Lee Keegan let himself down and he let Mayo down doing what he did. The GAA needs to make an example of Keegan now."
Rock's free sailed over the bar, sealing Dublin's third All-Ireland title in-a-row. But Redmond (below) was adamant that there would have been a greater outrage had the roles been reversed.
"What would have happened if it was a Dublin player who threw it at Cillian O'Connor?" he said. "Can you imagine the reaction in the media and GAA circles if it was Diarmuid Connolly?"
So Charlie Redmond reckons Keegans act of desperation is a new low? Grow up Charlie, and save us the sanctimonius bulls**t. If you want to be consistent what about the synchronised head locks/wrestling manoeuvring of some Dublin forwards following the resultant Mayo kick out. That adversely affected Mayo's ability to launch one last attack to try and tie up the match. It might be a new novel distraction method to put off the place kicker but is it any worse than what followed. It's easy to pontificate from your armchair but under the same circumstances it's perhaps understandable that players will resort to anything to put off an opponent in the last play of a gruelling season with the biggest prize at stake. If Keegan gets a 1 match ban I doubt if he'll complain too much, he gambled and lost. The Dublin players gambled and succeeeded and they will feel that it was worth it to win the match.
Quote from: Rudi on September 20, 2017, 11:30:22 AM
For balance the way Dublin closed out the game was horrendous and needs to be looked at.
Was it any different to how Mayo started it?
Mayo forwards were holding the Dublin backs and at least two Dublin backs were thrown to the ground two handed in view of ref.
If Clarke kicked the ball out the other side to a team mate no one would be on about this. This is not a new phenomenon. If Mayo were a point up they would have done the exact same.
I really didn't like Keegan's act, especially as if Rock missed the free would probably have been brought up to a far more advantageous position. People praising him for doing it are simply daft. The head was lost when he did something like that. A ban will make no difference anyway as the first few games next season are irrelevant to Mayo (just as Connolly's ban was irrelevant to Dublin this year - it actually helped them).
Quote from: yellowcard on September 20, 2017, 11:35:33 AM
CHARLIE Redmond has called on the GAA to take strong action against Lee Keegan after he appeared to throw a GPS unit at Dean Rock as he kicked the winning free in last Sunday's All-Ireland SFC final.
I notice Charlie doing a lot of media over the past year or two. I think he's just trying to stay relevant.
Sounds like the Dublin media campaign is swinging into action to
1 get Keegan and
2 switch attention away from O'Gara.
I suppose it could also be said that when you get sent off you're supposed the leave the pitch! :P
If Keegan had hits Rocks foot or the ball and he missed it.............
if Connolly did it and mayo missed, the internet would close down from the meltdown.
Charlies wording not great but it should be look at, similar to throwing a hurl . .
Throwing a hurl is manly and hurling refs would be castigated if they did anything about it.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
Sounds like the Dublin media campaign is swinging into action to
1 get Keegan and
2 switch attention away from O'Gara.
See here where RTE's Micil Glennon picks a negative act that didn't happen to have a go at Mayo and Colm Bolye.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0919/905955-black-card-dublin-mayo-con-ocallaghan-goal/
QuoteBut there was another black card 'incident', the invisible kind.
There was no invisible incident. You didn't see it because it didn't happen.
QuoteIn hindsight, Boyle may wish he had 'deliberately and cynically' halted the play, but, knowing it would have been the end of his All-Ireland final, he didn't do it.
Put simply, O'Callaghan scored the goal, but the black card rule facilitated it.
He even implies he's quoting someone for some reason on an event that didn't happen.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 20, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 11:46:47 AM
Sounds like the Dublin media campaign is swinging into action to
1 get Keegan and
2 switch attention away from O'Gara.
See here where RTE's Micil Glennon picks a negative act that didn't happen to have a go at Mayo and Colm Bolye.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0919/905955-black-card-dublin-mayo-con-ocallaghan-goal/
QuoteBut there was another black card 'incident', the invisible kind.
There was no invisible incident. You didn't see it because it didn't happen.
QuoteIn hindsight, Boyle may wish he had 'deliberately and cynically' halted the play, but, knowing it would have been the end of his All-Ireland final, he didn't do it.
Put simply, O'Callaghan scored the goal, but the black card rule facilitated it.
He even implies he's quoting someone for some reason on an event that didn't happen.
I read this yesterday. Didn't think he was having a go at mayo at all.
I took it that he was trying to prove that the black card is working.
We can agree or disagree with that point of view, but I don't see how it's having a go at mayo?
His point is that if the black card wasn't there, O'Callaghan wouldn't have been let in for this goal (i.e. he'd have been pulled down).
I think, if he is having a go at anyone, it's at the people who speak out against the black card rule.
Quote from: westbound on September 20, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
I read this yesterday. Didn't think he was having a go at mayo at all.
I took it that he was trying to prove that the black card is working.
We can agree or disagree with that point of view, but I don't see how it's having a go at mayo?
His point is that if the black card wasn't there, O'Callaghan wouldn't have been let in for this goal (i.e. he'd have been pulled down).
I think, if he is having a go at anyone, it's at the people who speak out against the black card rule.
His choice of language and use of quotes is terrible.
This argument can be made without any of that mention of Boyle.
The two players used in his example
O'Callaghan, he talks through every move in the goal as if O'Callaghan is a white knight cutting through an army of Orcs. Fair enough, he is very talented and it was a cracking goal. None of that extended description has anything to do with the black card.
Boyle is described as someone 'deliberately and cynically' wishing he had pulled O'Callaghan down only for that black card thought in the back of his mind. There's no basis for this. He refers to his made up example as an 'incident'. This is intentionally negative. He also hides these comment in quotes. I don't know who he is quoting? Are these quotes from different games entirely with different players?
He gets the point of the actual black card out of the way early in the article with
QuoteIt mattered not to Ciarán Kilkenny, who correctly judged that with seconds left on the clock, the 13 remaining Dubs could suck up whatever a tired Mayo could muster. We'll get back to that.
The actual black card gets a needless positive touch.
This is getting back to Kilkenny
QuoteThe likelihood is that Kilkenny would have done a quick risk-reward analysis and not committed the foul.
Again a positive position.
All f this is a big part of the ongoing narrative in Dublin and Kerry dominated football commentary.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
I know it's an absolute killer for Mayo but maybe the fact that they didn't leave this one behind might make it easier to get over in time.
Not sure about that now. They were 2 points up on 63 minutes and you could tell from the roar from the Mayo crowd at the game that they thought they had a great chance at that stage. They could feel the finishing line approaching. Granted there was always going to be a good bit of added time. I mean they gave everything but I'd be surprised if they didn't have a few lingering regrets after that one. Any time you put yourself in a winning position down the stretch there has to be.
I wonder if genuine Dub supporters would answer a few questions; no messing now, the questions are serious.
It seems to me that Dubs in general feel annoyed/ perplexed/ resentful or whatever that all outside County Dublin are jealous of the Dubs' success and put it down to jealousy. A classic Dubs v Culchies scenario, if ever there was one.
Seems you think all your recent successes can be put down to the sheer talent of the players, there is nothing else involved. Once the like of Brogan, Cluxton, Connolly etc. retire, thing will return to normal once more.
By and large, youse all seem to hate the northern sides with their bloody packed defences, who won't open it and play like the Dubs.
Are you with me so far?
I think the above is a fair representation of general Dublin attitudes and I'm not one bit interested in trading insults with anyone, okay?
How many of you remember the All Ireland semi against Donegal in 2011? Dublin eventually won, 0-08 to 0-06 in what was widely hailed as the most boring game of all time.
This was Colm Keys take on it in the Indo, entitled "Dublin-Donegal 2011 semi-final: The day that shook football's landscape to the core."
Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can read about it here. (http://"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dvg1a_CbtclmUGrDMQwiwSiSwTTrVwez0ZQA6enUNgE/edit")
According to Mickey Whelan, the Dubs coach, ""There is no such thing as a right or wrong system. If it works and people buy into it, it can be really effective. We had our own systems."
What for it's worth, I kind of agree with Mickey that the end justifies the means. It's all about winning and a team, Dublin included, will do anything it can to win and stuff the entertainment value.
Dublin has taken a full turn around in the way they play and now Dub supporters despise the tactics used six years ago. Why do you think Dublin has made such a dramatic change to their football philosophy?
Mayo and other western counties seem to moan a lot about how far their players have to travel to train from their home and places of work/study and claim it puts them at a serious disadvantage. Do you agree or disagree?
I'm really curious here. This arises from the last post by The Hill is Blue and I wonder how many Dubs share his views.
Better still, is there a genuine Dublin viewpoint that you compete with other counties on equal terms.
Life is short and I won't respond to abuse but I know the vast majority of Dubs here and elsewhere are sound characters and they most likely have rational opinions on some or all of the above.
Is there talk Rochford hasn't committed to next year?
QuoteI wonder if genuine Dub supporters would answer a few questions; no messing now, the questions are serious.
It seems to me that Dubs in general feel annoyed/ perplexed/ resentful or whatever that all outside County Dublin are jealous of the Dubs' success and put it down to jealousy. A classic Dubs v Culchies scenario, if ever there was one.
Don't feel annoyed, perplexed or resentful at all. I can understand other counties being jealous of the recent success but I put it down to people being sick of us winning all the time
QuoteSeems you think all your recent successes can be put down to the sheer talent of the players, there is nothing else involved. Once the like of Brogan, Cluxton, Connolly etc. retire, thing will return to normal once more.
I think by far and away the major reason for the recent success is the special group of players that have recently worn the jersey- no doubt about it. at least 5 of them are the greatest Dublin players in their position of all time and a couple are in the top 5/6 ever to play the game. When they finish up I do think we'll still be in the top echelon of teams but won't be as successful as we have been
QuoteBy and large, youse all seem to hate the northern sides with their bloody packed defences, who won't open it and play like the Dubs.
Are you with me so far?
Don't hate them at all but would prefer to play Mayo/Kerry/Kildare type matches than the other ones
QuoteI think the above is a fair representation of general Dublin attitudes and I'm not one bit interested in trading insults with anyone, okay?
Maybe I'm not a fair representative of general attitudes ;)
QuoteHow many of you remember the All Ireland semi against Donegal in 2011? Dublin eventually won, 0-08 to 0-06 in what was widely hailed as the most boring game of all time.
Certainly do
QuoteThis was Colm Keys take on it in the Indo, entitled "Dublin-Donegal 2011 semi-final: The day that shook football's landscape to the core."
Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can read about it here.
According to Mickey Whelan, the Dubs coach, ""There is no such thing as a right or wrong system. If it works and people buy into it, it can be really effective. We had our own systems."
What for it's worth, I kind of agree with Mickey that the end justifies the means. It's all about winning and a team, Dublin included, will do anything it can to win and stuff the entertainment value.
Dublin has taken a full turn around in the way they play and now Dub supporters despise the tactics used six years ago. Why do you think Dublin has made such a dramatic change to their football philosophy?
Those tactics were used in a one off game and I'd say that since then we've returned to our more natural way of playing
QuoteMayo and other western counties seem to moan a lot about how far their players have to travel to train from their home and places of work/study and claim it puts them at a serious disadvantage. Do you agree or disagree?
Its an obvious advantage but I wonder what has happened to the days of collective training in Dublin for country teams with enough people to make it worthwhile in pure fitness terms - Does every training session in the early part of the year have to be attended by all 30 in Castlebar /Galway etc. Obviously the need to work on game tactics and scenarios etc is different
QuoteI'm really curious here. This arises from the last post by The Hill is Blue and I wonder how many Dubs share his views.
Better still, is there a genuine Dublin viewpoint that you compete with other counties on equal terms.
I think we compete on equal terms with the top counties in terms of prep/ resources etc for senior inter county teams. I don't think we have an inherent advantage over Kerry/Mayo/Tyrone other Div 1 teams in this regard. The obvious question around playing home league games in Croker and getting to sleep in their own house on big match mornings might be seen as an advantage but at the elite level I wonder really how much it is.
QuoteLife is short and I won't respond to abuse but I know the vast majority of Dubs here and elsewhere are sound characters and they most likely have rational opinions on some or all of the above.
Hope I've been able to help
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 01:34:16 PM
It seems to me that Dubs in general feel annoyed/ perplexed/ resentful or whatever that all outside County Dublin are jealous of the Dubs' success and put it down to jealousy. A classic Dubs v Culchies scenario, if ever there was one.
Seems you think all your recent successes can be put down to the sheer talent of the players, there is nothing else involved. Once the like of Brogan, Cluxton, Connolly etc. retire, thing will return to normal once more.
The Brogans, Cluxton and Connolly were all there before Dublin "got their house in order".
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 01:34:16 PM
By and large, youse all seem to hate the northern sides with their bloody packed defences, who won't open it and play like the Dubs.
Are you with me so far?
I think the above is a fair representation of general Dublin attitudes and I'm not one bit interested in trading insults with anyone, okay?
How many of you remember the All Ireland semi against Donegal in 2011? Dublin eventually won, 0-08 to 0-06 in what was widely hailed as the most boring game of all time.
This was Colm Keys take on it in the Indo, entitled "Dublin-Donegal 2011 semi-final: The day that shook football's landscape to the core."
Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can read about it here. (http://"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dvg1a_CbtclmUGrDMQwiwSiSwTTrVwez0ZQA6enUNgE/edit")
Fair's fair. Dublin were not the ones responsible for that game being so turgid.
Dublin were rampant against Tyrone in the previous game, scoring 0-22 in what was the first real taste of the fluent attacking game that was to come from Dublin teams over the next six years.
Dublin did play some really turgid defensive fare in 2010 in both the league and championship, but had moved on significantly by 2011.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 01:34:16 PM
According to Mickey Whelan, the Dubs coach, ""There is no such thing as a right or wrong system. If it works and people buy into it, it can be really effective. We had our own systems."
Jim Gavin says exactly the same thing.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 01:34:16 PM
I wonder if genuine Dub supporters would answer a few questions; no messing now, the questions are serious.
It seems to me that Dubs in general feel annoyed/ perplexed/ resentful or whatever that all outside County Dublin are jealous of the Dubs' success and put it down to jealousy. A classic Dubs v Culchies scenario, if ever there was one.
Seems you think all your recent successes can be put down to the sheer talent of the players, there is nothing else involved. Once the like of Brogan, Cluxton, Connolly etc. retire, thing will return to normal once more.
By and large, youse all seem to hate the northern sides with their bloody packed defences, who won't open it and play like the Dubs.
Are you with me so far?
I think the above is a fair representation of general Dublin attitudes and I'm not one bit interested in trading insults with anyone, okay?
How many of you remember the All Ireland semi against Donegal in 2011? Dublin eventually won, 0-08 to 0-06 in what was widely hailed as the most boring game of all time.
This was Colm Keys take on it in the Indo, entitled "Dublin-Donegal 2011 semi-final: The day that shook football's landscape to the core."
Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can read about it here. (http://"https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dvg1a_CbtclmUGrDMQwiwSiSwTTrVwez0ZQA6enUNgE/edit")
According to Mickey Whelan, the Dubs coach, ""There is no such thing as a right or wrong system. If it works and people buy into it, it can be really effective. We had our own systems."
What for it's worth, I kind of agree with Mickey that the end justifies the means. It's all about winning and a team, Dublin included, will do anything it can to win and stuff the entertainment value.
Dublin has taken a full turn around in the way they play and now Dub supporters despise the tactics used six years ago. Why do you think Dublin has made such a dramatic change to their football philosophy?
Mayo and other western counties seem to moan a lot about how far their players have to travel to train from their home and places of work/study and claim it puts them at a serious disadvantage. Do you agree or disagree?
I'm really curious here. This arises from the last post by The Hill is Blue and I wonder how many Dubs share his views.
Better still, is there a genuine Dublin viewpoint that you compete with other counties on equal terms.
Life is short and I won't respond to abuse but I know the vast majority of Dubs here and elsewhere are sound characters and they most likely have rational opinions on some or all of the above.
Il try and help you, in Bold:
It seems to me that Dubs in general feel annoyed/ perplexed/ resentful or whatever that all outside County Dublin are jealous of the Dubs' success and put it down to jealousy. A classic Dubs v Culchies scenario, if ever there was one -
YES, always been the way and happy for it to continue. I remember very clearly the stick directed at Dublin and the fans during the noughties, perhaps coincided with access to the internet and online media. Everyone loved taking the piss out of Dublin, whos laughing now
Seems you think all your recent successes can be put down to the sheer talent of the players, there is nothing else involved. Once the like of Brogan, Cluxton, Connolly etc. retire, thing will return to normal once more.
NO - But it is a fear that this is a once off team and once of management team but for the considerable future , Dublin will be there or there abouts but wont win it as much as this decade. Natural talented players, some thanks to their parentage play for Dublin are once offs, Rock, McCarthy, Brogans, McCaffery, naturally gifted Connolly and Cluxton are once offs By and large, youse all seem to hate the northern sides with their bloody packed defences, who won't open it and play like the Dubs.
Are you with me so far?
NO - you play the system that gets you over the line, that was Gilroys philosophy, Gavin changed to an attacking skilful game
I think the above is a fair representation of general Dublin attitudes and I'm not one bit interested in trading insults with anyone, okay?
How many of you remember the All Ireland semi against Donegal in 2011? Dublin eventually won, 0-08 to 0-06 in what was widely hailed as the most boring game of all time.
This was Colm Keys take on it in the Indo, entitled "Dublin-Donegal 2011 semi-final: The day that shook football's landscape to the core."
Anyone who is a glutton for punishment can read about it here.
According to Mickey Whelan, the Dubs coach, ""There is no such thing as a right or wrong system. If it works and people buy into it, it can be really effective. We had our own systems."
What for it's worth, I kind of agree with Mickey that the end justifies the means. It's all about winning and a team, Dublin included, will do anything it can to win and stuff the entertainment value. -
YES - agree, defensive system put in place after 2 humiliating defeats to Kerry and Meath, they said never again, happy enough those tactics were deployed to get over the line, Donegal Dublin, one of the worst games of all time, but as a supporter it was intense.
Dublin has taken a full turn around in the way they play and now Dub supporters despise the tactics used six years ago. Why do you think Dublin has made such a dramatic change to their football philosophy? -
Jim Gavin , don't despise the tactics of 6 years ago, it what was required
Mayo and other western counties seem to moan a lot about how far their players have to travel to train from their home and places of work/study and claim it puts them at a serious disadvantage. Do you agree or disagree? -
Yes, agree, however see Na Fianna gym winter session, Roscommon booked for 2 nights a week, ways and means but definitely agree but hard to solve or equal it out. Depends on economy, jobs etc. , but not sorry for this, has it not always been the way?I'm really curious here. This arises from the last post by The Hill is Blue and I wonder how many Dubs share his views.
Better still, is there a genuine Dublin viewpoint that you compete with other counties on equal terms.
Life is short and I won't respond to abuse but I know the vast majority of Dubs here and elsewhere are sound characters and they most likely have rational opinions on some or all of the above. -
With some Dublin do, with some Dublin don't, Dublin always had advantages, being utilised now. Question for you, Do you blame the final losses in 96/97 or 04/06 or 2012 to Dublin's advantages?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 20, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
Is there talk Rochford hasn't committed to next year?
Said he's going to take month of October to decide - started a new job, has very small kids.
Quote from: vallankumous on September 20, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 20, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
I read this yesterday. Didn't think he was having a go at mayo at all.
I took it that he was trying to prove that the black card is working.
We can agree or disagree with that point of view, but I don't see how it's having a go at mayo?
His point is that if the black card wasn't there, O'Callaghan wouldn't have been let in for this goal (i.e. he'd have been pulled down).
I think, if he is having a go at anyone, it's at the people who speak out against the black card rule.
His choice of language and use of quotes is terrible.
This argument can be made without any of that mention of Boyle. I don't see how he can make this point without referring to the defender who could have potentially pulled him down? I don't think it's anything personal against Boyle at all, it could have been any defender. The writer is suggesting that the defender would have pulled the attacker down if it wasn't for the black card rule (obviously this is impossible to prove)
The two players used in his example
O'Callaghan, he talks through every move in the goal as if O'Callaghan is a white knight cutting through an army of Orcs. Fair enough, he is very talented and it was a cracking goal. None of that extended description has anything to do with the black card.
Boyle is described as someone 'deliberately and cynically' wishing he had pulled O'Callaghan down only for that black card thought in the back of his mind. There's no basis for this. He refers to his made up example as an 'incident'. This is intentionally negative. He also hides these comment in quotes. I don't know who he is quoting? Are these quotes from different games entirely with different players? These aren't quotes. Quotation marks are (also) used to emphasize different parts of a text or to indicate that a phrase is regarded as slang or jargon
He gets the point of the actual black card out of the way early in the article with
QuoteIt mattered not to Ciarán Kilkenny, who correctly judged that with seconds left on the clock, the 13 remaining Dubs could suck up whatever a tired Mayo could muster. We'll get back to that.
The actual black card gets a needless positive touch.
This is getting back to Kilkenny
QuoteThe likelihood is that Kilkenny would have done a quick risk-reward analysis and not committed the foul.
Again a positive position. The writer is explaining here how/why the black card is not perfect. And suggests a way to improve it. He is actually using it as a negative (on the black card), not a positive.
All f this is a big part of the ongoing narrative in Dublin and Kerry dominated football commentary.
I think you are misinterpreting a lot of the points he is making. See my points in bold.
I don't think this piece is anti-mayo/colm Boyle or pro dublin in anyway. It's pro black card in the main, with a suggestion on how to improve it.
Quote from: westbound on September 20, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
I think you are misinterpreting a lot of the points he is making. See my points in bold.
I don't think this piece is anti-mayo/colm Boyle or pro dublin in anyway. It's pro black card in the main, with a suggestion on how to improve it.
It's pro black card in the mainI give him more credit than you do. He knew exactly what he was writing.
I think I've had three reasonable answers to the questions I posed and thanks to those who took the trouble to reply.
The attitude to the negative policies of some, especially northern, counties was my main interest.
It seems all of us believe that the end justifies the means and that whatever it takes to win comes before entertaining anyone. Now, Dub supporters by and large were very critical of Tyrone and their negative tactics in the semi, forgetting it seems that Mickey &co. were more afraid of losing rather that confident of winning.
They played the way that gave them the best prospect of winning as they couldn't hope to match the Dubs if they went toe to toe. It was a case of damage limitation before the ref threw the ball in. They knew they weren't going to score much but they concentrated on trying to prevent Dublin scoring more than them and feck the spectacle.
I imagine Mayo is the only county that wouldn't go on the back foot when playing Dublin but I may be biased here. However, I don't think so.
@The Greatest.
No, I don't blame the Dubs for Mayo's defeats in any year you care to mention. I wasn't referring to Mayo in any sense. It's just that the Hill is Blue fella always struck me as a reasonable individual but the stuff he came out with in his last post astounded me. Talk about cliches and generalisations! I get a lot of that stuff in my local alright but I was curious to see how many Dubs would think the way he does.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 20, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
Is there talk Rochford hasn't committed to next year?
Said he's going to take month of October to decide - started a new job, has very small kids.
cheers, I'd imagine if SOS, Boyle, Moran & Higgins all give it another go it would be difficult for him to step down.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
I think I've had three reasonable answers to the questions I posed and thanks to those who took the trouble to reply.
The attitude to the negative policies of some, especially northern, counties was my main interest.
It seems all of us believe that the end justifies the means and that whatever it takes to win comes before entertaining anyone. Now, Dub supporters by and large were very critical of Tyrone and their negative tactics in the semi, forgetting it seems that Mickey &co. were more afraid of losing rather that confident of winning.
They played the way that gave them the best prospect of winning as they couldn't hope to match the Dubs if they went toe to toe. It was a case of damage limitation before the ref threw the ball in. They knew they weren't going to score much but they concentrated on trying to prevent Dublin scoring more than them and feck the spectacle.
I imagine Mayo is the only county that wouldn't go on the back foot when playing Dublin but I may be biased here. However, I don't think so.
@The Greatest.
No, I don't blame the Dubs for Mayo's defeats in any year you care to mention. I wasn't referring to Mayo in any sense. It's just that the Hill is Blue fella always struck me as a reasonable individual but the stuff he came out with in his last post astounded me. Talk about cliches and generalisations! I get a lot of that stuff in my local alright but I was curious to see how many Dubs would think the way he does.
Lar, I'm puzzled as to which post of mine you're referring.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 20, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
I think I've had three reasonable answers to the questions I posed and thanks to those who took the trouble to reply.
The attitude to the negative policies of some, especially northern, counties was my main interest.
It seems all of us believe that the end justifies the means and that whatever it takes to win comes before entertaining anyone. Now, Dub supporters by and large were very critical of Tyrone and their negative tactics in the semi, forgetting it seems that Mickey &co. were more afraid of losing rather that confident of winning.
They played the way that gave them the best prospect of winning as they couldn't hope to match the Dubs if they went toe to toe. It was a case of damage limitation before the ref threw the ball in. They knew they weren't going to score much but they concentrated on trying to prevent Dublin scoring more than them and feck the spectacle.
I imagine Mayo is the only county that wouldn't go on the back foot when playing Dublin but I may be biased here. However, I don't think so.
@The Greatest.
No, I don't blame the Dubs for Mayo's defeats in any year you care to mention. I wasn't referring to Mayo in any sense. It's just that the Hill is Blue fella always struck me as a reasonable individual but the stuff he came out with in his last post astounded me. Talk about cliches and generalisations! I get a lot of that stuff in my local alright but I was curious to see how many Dubs would think the way he does.
Lar, I'm puzzled as to which post of mine you're referring.
I think he's mixing you up with someone else
Lar, stay with the program. its Hill16 Blues and I wouldn't be really putting much thought into what that jackass say.
There are some soft centred individuals here... Dublin couldn't get to grips with Mayo in the first half. The goal won the game because they wouldn't have won without it (in my book) as Mayo won most match ups and seemed comfortable, Dublin used their bench well, Mayo didn't, though in fairness I'm not sure if the lads that came off were injured or was it tactics.
Either way Mayo didn't close out the game when it was there for the taking, from a neutral view Mayo ran out of gas and that led to running of ideas and losing the match, the Dub subs made big difference when the chips were down..
As for the ref, no one is ever happy, mainly the losing team gave a huge gripe big I never seen much (in real time from his position) that merited the crap on here. The only thing that was borderline was whether to send the Mayo man of for a straight red, I reckon in a club game that would have been a yellow, but at Croke park 82 thousand watching plus millions on tv you can make a mistake or two
Mayo hopefully will make it back to this place again as they have the guts of a great team
Still not better than the Kerry team of 75-86, they not finished yet but we see where dublin end up in 3-4yrs, 5 in 7 years is some going but they had to get near Kerry 8 in 11 years to i consider them better than that team
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 07:02:23 PM
There are some soft centred individuals here... Dublin couldn't get to grips with Mayo in the first half. The goal won the game because they wouldn't have won without it (in my book) as Mayo won most match ups and seemed comfortable, Dublin used their bench well, Mayo didn't, though in fairness I'm not sure if the lads that came off were injured or was it tactics.
Either way Mayo didn't close out the game when it was there for the taking, from a neutral view Mayo ran out of gas and that led to running of ideas and losing the match, the Dub subs made big difference when the chips were down..
As for the ref, no one is ever happy, mainly the losing team gave a huge gripe big I never seen much (in real time from his position) that merited the crap on here. The only thing that was borderline was whether to send the Mayo man of for a straight red, I reckon in a club game that would have been a yellow, but at Croke park 82 thousand watching plus millions on tv you can make a mistake or two
Mayo hopefully will make it back to this place again as they have the guts of a great team
Andy Moran was injured when Fitzsimons fell on him when Andy gave Jason Doherty handpass pre Doherty goal chance. Back of his knee started to swell up, he was pointing at him hamstring and couldn't run properly because of the swelling.
Colm Boyle got a nasty dead leg when John Small hit him. Couldn't run.
Line did very well. Aidan O Shea was out of juice (to be expected) may have been better in FF line and Diarmuid O Connor to track McCarthy who was always going to be running hard in last 10 minutes. Fine margins.
Free on stroke of half time was a poor decision by Joe Mc. Dubs collided.
All in all, Vaughan red was biggest self inflicted wound. May still have lost the game but 15 vs 14 would have allowed Clarke to find a man every time and further push on Cluxton....Vaughan as extra man would have been ideal.
If Mayo reach super 8s next year, it'll suit them again re volume of games.
Seen Redmond crying in the Herald there,about a new low, nearly as low as staying on the pitch after been sent off in a final, the worst action of the game was O`Gara which wasn't mentioned at all, or no mention of Costello throwing away kicking tees, blue blinkers on as always. Alot of ex dublin players like him and Murphy would put you off admiring this great Dublin team.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 20, 2017, 08:27:34 PM
If Mayo reach super 8s next year, it'll suit them again re volume of games.
Super 8s next year will suit Tyrone,Mayo,Kerry and Dublin. It won't suit the rest and will more than likely kill any chance of a underdog reaching All Ireland semi final during this "trial" period.
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
No
Well done Dublin and to the sound Dubs on here, Hound, thehillisblue, Declan, sid, not sure who else.
Gutted obviously but we had chances and didn't take them - Vaughan sending off and turned over free was huge and he'll know that himself and will be hurting more than anyone.
We needed a couple of big calls to go our way to win the first AI - a yellow for Vaughan or the penalty decision would have been that call. I wouldn't say either was a wrong call but equally, either one could have easily gone the other way. In real time on the hill, I called a red and a penalty. A second penalty call that doesn't seem to have been discussed was after the Doherty goal chance, in real time I didn't think it was but on second viewing, it's a definite penalty for me. That said, who knows how the game would have gone if there had been a penalty, the entire dynamics of the game would have been different. On the other hand, I'd be confident of an extra man having made the difference.
Big mistake by Gavin to start O'Gara, if Dublin had lost he would have rightly been pilloried. As it is, he was able to call on serious artillery off the bench to win it for him.
How did Mccarthy win motm? Cleaned out for 50 mins, scores two points and catches a couple of crucial kickouts when the mayo legs are tiring. Rock (4 pts from play and the winning free) or Connolly motm for me.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Seen Redmond crying in the Herald there,about a new low, nearly as low as staying on the pitch after been sent off in a final, the worst action of the game was O`Gara which wasn't mentioned at all, or no mention of Costello throwing away kicking tees, blue blinkers on as always. Alot of ex dublin players like him and Murphy would put you off admiring this great Dublin team.
Agree with this.
I had a great day Sunday. Really enjoyed the match, except for the result obviously. Was very proud of the Mayo team and sometimes you just have to accept you were beaten by the better team. During and after the match I was annoyed with some of McQuillans decisions, the non penalty most of all, but in these games its swings and roundabouts. After the match I couldn't stomach hanging around Drumcondra with the "only bleedin banter brigade" and instead had a few pints with some proper true blue gaa men. Obviously they were delighted with the result and the three in row but they were able to chat about the match without feeling the need to belittle Mayo with the nonsense trash talk I've seen all over social media the last few days.
I've been going to Mayo - Dublin matches for manys the year and always enjoy them. The majority of the Dublin support are 100% but the vocal minority who are egged on by gobshites like Charlie Redmond and Vinnie Murphy along with these so called "fan" pages on social media are hard to put up with.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
I don't know what to make of Keegans antics. On one hand it's pretty low but on the other hand you and see why he done it. People saying that anyone would have done it, well that remains to be seen. Maybe we will see it a lot more next year. Maybe not
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 20, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
I don't know what to make of Keegans antics. On one hand it's pretty low but on the other hand you and see why he done it. People saying that anyone would have done it, well that remains to be seen. Maybe we will see it a lot more next year. Maybe not
Any worse than Costello behaviour from moment he came on including the goalie teegate
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Seen Redmond crying in the Herald there,about a new low, nearly as low as staying on the pitch after been sent off in a final, the worst action of the game was O`Gara which wasn't mentioned at all, or no mention of Costello throwing away kicking tees, blue blinkers on as always. Alot of ex dublin players like him and Murphy would put you off admiring this great Dublin team.
I'm not familiar with his pieces but isbit possible he didn't see it? I certainly didn't notice it during the game and don't think it was mentioned on TSG. Costello I'm talking about
Quote from: Orchard park on September 20, 2017, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 20, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
I don't know what to make of Keegans antics. On one hand it's pretty low but on the other hand you and see why he done it. People saying that anyone would have done it, well that remains to be seen. Maybe we will see it a lot more next year. Maybe not
Any worse than Costello behaviour from moment he came on including the goalie teegate
I think so. Not defending Costello as he came on and started to wrestle straight away. It that happens all the time. Keegan was unique. As for teegate I didn't notice that but that's not on either. Would t be as unique as what keegan done though? I'd say more people would be inclined to do that than take their gps tracker out and throw it at the ball
I'm not defending him in anyway. Costello that is. I hate all that wrestling shite he was at and thinknit should be a black card. As should chucking the tees. Is the keeper allowed to kick the ball out without the tees?
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Seen Redmond crying in the Herald there,about a new low, nearly as low as staying on the pitch after been sent off in a final, the worst action of the game was O`Gara which wasn't mentioned at all, or no mention of Costello throwing away kicking tees, blue blinkers on as always. Alot of ex dublin players like him and Murphy would put you off admiring this great Dublin team.
Agree with this.
I had a great day Sunday. Really enjoyed the match, except for the result obviously. Was very proud of the Mayo team and sometimes you just have to accept you were beaten by the better team. During and after the match I was annoyed with some of McQuillans decisions, the non penalty most of all, but in these games its swings and roundabouts. After the match I couldn't stomach hanging around Drumcondra with the "only bleedin banter brigade" and instead had a few pints with some proper true blue gaa men. Obviously they were delighted with the result and the three in row but they were able to chat about the match without feeling the need to belittle Mayo with the nonsense trash talk I've seen all over social media the last few days.
I've been going to Mayo - Dublin matches for manys the year and always enjoy them. The majority of the Dublin support are 100% but the vocal minority who are egged on by gobshites like Charlie Redmond and Vinnie Murphy along with these so called "fan" pages on social media are hard to put up with.
You be doing well to stomach pints in Drumcondra especially Quinns where the drink is muck. Wouldn't pay any heed to players from Dublin 90 team especially Charlie and Vinny Murphy.Paul Curran was at same re kerry during the league. These lads have no attachment to current Dublin side
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 20, 2017, 08:44:33 PM
Seen Redmond crying in the Herald there,about a new low, nearly as low as staying on the pitch after been sent off in a final, the worst action of the game was O`Gara which wasn't mentioned at all, or no mention of Costello throwing away kicking tees, blue blinkers on as always. Alot of ex dublin players like him and Murphy would put you off admiring this great Dublin team.
Redmond is some cuunt for whinging and him sent off against us and wouldn't leave the pitch. Where the f**k was his Corinthian spirit in 95?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Maybe they do plan to peak for August/Sept but was Derry missing a free in the last minute to knock them out part of the plan. Or cork, or roscommon, or Kerry even. If it was part of the plan fair play to them as it worked. However its high risk and they very very lucky not to get caught out
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 20, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
I think I've had three reasonable answers to the questions I posed and thanks to those who took the trouble to reply.
The attitude to the negative policies of some, especially northern, counties was my main interest.
It seems all of us believe that the end justifies the means and that whatever it takes to win comes before entertaining anyone. Now, Dub supporters by and large were very critical of Tyrone and their negative tactics in the semi, forgetting it seems that Mickey &co. were more afraid of losing rather that confident of winning.
They played the way that gave them the best prospect of winning as they couldn't hope to match the Dubs if they went toe to toe. It was a case of damage limitation before the ref threw the ball in. They knew they weren't going to score much but they concentrated on trying to prevent Dublin scoring more than them and feck the spectacle.
I imagine Mayo is the only county that wouldn't go on the back foot when playing Dublin but I may be biased here. However, I don't think so.
@The Greatest.
No, I don't blame the Dubs for Mayo's defeats in any year you care to mention. I wasn't referring to Mayo in any sense. It's just that the Hill is Blue fella always struck me as a reasonable individual but the stuff he came out with in his last post astounded me. Talk about cliches and generalisations! I get a lot of that stuff in my local alright but I was curious to see how many Dubs would think the way he does.
Lar, I'm puzzled as to which post of mine you're referring.
I think he's mixing you up with someone else
Lar, stay with the program. its Hill16 Blues and I wouldn't be really putting much thought into what that jackass say.
You are right Criost, I mistook the troll for one of the more sensible posters on this forum.
This goes back to a post on page 33, before the game, when I answered a query from Wildweasel , looking for info on Mayo's training expenses.(Or something like that.)
I gave him the figures for both Mayo and Dublin, which I'm confident are correct.
Imagine my surprise when The Hill is Blue replied saying it was time to cut out the bitching and enjoy the prospect of the game.
As there wasn't an iota of bitching in my post, this was the last reply I expected from him. Then when I saw "Hill" and "Blue" in the troll's post, I jumped to a wrong conclusion. Bejaysus, I thought if The Hill is Blue is thinking like that, what's going on on the Dublin side of the divide?
I suppose you could take this as a backhanded compliment as I know it wasn't likely for him to stoop that low. I
jumped to the wrong conclusion and decided to see what genuine Dub supporters thought about what had been posted here.
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Surely surely you know realise the super 8 will be the new quarter final stage of the competition next year. As for planning to peak i highly doubt any team would have planned to sail as close to the wind as Mayo did the last two years.
Quote from: straightred on September 20, 2017, 10:46:36 PM
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Maybe they do plan to peak for August/Sept but was Derry missing a free in the last minute to knock them out part of the plan. Or cork, or roscommon, or Kerry even. If it was part of the plan fair play to them as it worked. However its high risk and they very very lucky not to get caught out
Mayo's plan was to beat Galway in June then plans were changed after that defeat which turned out to be blessing in disguise. Certain players found their form others got over injuries and the system and structure of the team improved greatly to allow Mayo to beat Kerry and give Dublin almighty fright.
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Is it much different to taking the goalies tees to prevent a kick out or balls mysteriously appearing on the pitch when someone is about to kick it. Sledging a free taker seems to have become acceptable but what Keegan did is an all time low.
The only reason someone hasn't done this before is because they are only wearing these bloody things the last couple of years. If the referee spotted what Keegan did the free would have been moved forward and that would probably be the end of it. We would all be saying what a stupid thing to do.
Charlie and his crew should just try and enjoy the win and try and forget about this unhealthy obsession with Keegan. The Dublin players have the All Ireland's. Is this not enough. Why the need to kick a man when he's down.
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Is it much different to taking the goalies tees to prevent a kick out or balls mysteriously appearing on the pitch when someone is about to kick it. Sledging a free taker seems to have become acceptable but what Keegan did is an all time low.
The only reason someone hasn't done this before is because they are only wearing these bloody things the last couple of years. If the referee spotted what Keegan did the free would have been moved forward and that would probably be the end of it. We would all be saying what a stupid thing to do.
Charlie and his crew should just try and enjoy the win and try and forget about this unhealthy obsession with Keegan. The Dublin players have the All Ireland's. Is this not enough. Why the need to kick a man when he's down.
I dont know if youre old enough to remember, but Mick Webb, Mayo goalkeeper in the early 80's used to get the posts swaying back and forth
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 11:47:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Is it much different to taking the goalies tees to prevent a kick out or balls mysteriously appearing on the pitch when someone is about to kick it. Sledging a free taker seems to have become acceptable but what Keegan did is an all time low.
The only reason someone hasn't done this before is because they are only wearing these bloody things the last couple of years. If the referee spotted what Keegan did the free would have been moved forward and that would probably be the end of it. We would all be saying what a stupid thing to do.
Charlie and his crew should just try and enjoy the win and try and forget about this unhealthy obsession with Keegan. The Dublin players have the All Ireland's. Is this not enough. Why the need to kick a man when he's down.
Regarding the tees. Did Costello remove them from the pitch? Aren't they supposed to be off th pitch until the kick out is taken anyway? That's a genuine question as leaving them on he field could be dangerous?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Maith thú
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Maybe that's what's wrong.
instead of trying to be at the same level all year. To me, League campaigns have given this Dublin team the know how to win and close out games, tactics, especially competing in League Semi's and finals. The how to do it pretty, they know how to do it ugly. Mayo lost 2 championship games this year, 2, drew 3. Dublin lost by a point to Kerry which probably in the long run benefited the Dubs to know what its like to lose again.
Quote from: blast05 on September 20, 2017, 10:43:17 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 20, 2017, 09:16:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 20, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Can you really mention Tyrone on the same breath as the other 3 any more?
Only last year Tyrone lost a quarter final more than Mayo won it. They aren't at the level of the Tyrone All Ireland winning teams however come next summer i would expect them to be there or thereabouts against both Mayo,Kerry where one side is in transition and the other about to go into transition.
Surely surely you know realise that Mayo in semi-finals and finals versus earlier in the seasons are 2 completely different beasts. They plan to peak for semis and finals and have got it fairly consistently right.
There is simply no way on earth i would compare the Mayo performance against Tyrone last year with any of our performances v Dublin in past few years or v Kerry in 2014.
Mayo have probably been peaking for August since 2012, they didn't have to be anyway near their best to win Connacht from until 2015 given how poor the rest of Connacht were.
Given the age of the squad you'd imagine Rochford won't do anything different next year apart from trying to find new players in the league, I've seen people say the extra games helped Mayo but it certainly took them a while to get going after 4 poor performances in July.
This was the best performance from this Mayo team in a final, if you'd told me before the game Mayo would have won 6 of Cluxtons kickouts in the first half and their full forward line kicked 0-8 from play I'd have said Mayo would win.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 20, 2017, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 20, 2017, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 20, 2017, 05:44:05 PM
I think I've had three reasonable answers to the questions I posed and thanks to those who took the trouble to reply.
The attitude to the negative policies of some, especially northern, counties was my main interest.
It seems all of us believe that the end justifies the means and that whatever it takes to win comes before entertaining anyone. Now, Dub supporters by and large were very critical of Tyrone and their negative tactics in the semi, forgetting it seems that Mickey &co. were more afraid of losing rather that confident of winning.
They played the way that gave them the best prospect of winning as they couldn't hope to match the Dubs if they went toe to toe. It was a case of damage limitation before the ref threw the ball in. They knew they weren't going to score much but they concentrated on trying to prevent Dublin scoring more than them and feck the spectacle.
I imagine Mayo is the only county that wouldn't go on the back foot when playing Dublin but I may be biased here. However, I don't think so.
@The Greatest.
No, I don't blame the Dubs for Mayo's defeats in any year you care to mention. I wasn't referring to Mayo in any sense. It's just that the Hill is Blue fella always struck me as a reasonable individual but the stuff he came out with in his last post astounded me. Talk about cliches and generalisations! I get a lot of that stuff in my local alright but I was curious to see how many Dubs would think the way he does.
Lar, I'm puzzled as to which post of mine you're referring.
I think he's mixing you up with someone else
Lar, stay with the program. its Hill16 Blues and I wouldn't be really putting much thought into what that jackass say.
You are right Criost, I mistook the troll for one of the more sensible posters on this forum.
This goes back to a post on page 33, before the game, when I answered a query from Wildweasel , looking for info on Mayo's training expenses.(Or something like that.)
I gave him the figures for both Mayo and Dublin, which I'm confident are correct.
Imagine my surprise when The Hill is Blue replied saying it was time to cut out the bitching and enjoy the prospect of the game.
As there wasn't an iota of bitching in my post, this was the last reply I expected from him. Then when I saw "Hill" and "Blue" in the troll's post, I jumped to a wrong conclusion. Bejaysus, I thought if The Hill is Blue is thinking like that, what's going on on the Dublin side of the divide?
I suppose you could take this as a backhanded compliment as I know it wasn't likely for him to stoop that low. I
jumped to the wrong conclusion and decided to see what genuine Dub supporters thought about what had been posted here.
Fair dues to you Lar ;)
Quote from: vallankumous on September 20, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: westbound on September 20, 2017, 02:46:53 PM
I think you are misinterpreting a lot of the points he is making. See my points in bold.
I don't think this piece is anti-mayo/colm Boyle or pro dublin in anyway. It's pro black card in the main, with a suggestion on how to improve it.
It's pro black card in the main
I give him more credit than you do. He knew exactly what he was writing.
We'll agree to disagree so!
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 07:07:47 AM
Regarding the tees. Did Costello remove them from the pitch? Aren't they supposed to be off th pitch until the kick out is taken anyway? That's a genuine question as leaving them on he field could be dangerous?
That's correct. When Rock was getting ready, Clarke put his tee out on the pitch. So Costello saw it, took it and fired it away. It shouldnt be on the pitch so I don't think anyone would complain that that was too unreasonable. But after Costello threw the tee away, he then noticed two more tees at either post. Getting those two tees and firing them away, was clearly unreasonable.
it was among many indictments Costello had in his 3 minutes on field. has a player ever broken more rules without touching the ball ???
Equally as tasteless as Keegan.
The WWF stuff which took place after the kick out... I dont think the Dubs can complain too much. They do what it takes to win. Charlie Redmond done what it took to win in 95. Eoghan O Gara did what he believed it took to win in the first half. Up to the officials to punish it properly and they are not ding this in the end Dublin won so it unfortunately it continues.
The Dubs can play football if its a game of football but dont ever try and beat them.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Lord save me, I have heard this pathetic refrain far too much over the last few days.
"Sure we'd all do it!"
Give me a break.
I played the game for 20 years and I never saw anything like this happening on the field.
It is 100% inexcusable.
If you have no problem with Keegan throwing the GPS monitor, then answer me this, what would have happened if Dean Rock missed?
Replay and €4m
Quote from: Hound on September 21, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 21, 2017, 07:07:47 AM
Regarding the tees. Did Costello remove them from the pitch? Aren't they supposed to be off th pitch until the kick out is taken anyway? That's a genuine question as leaving them on he field could be dangerous?
That's correct. When Rock was getting ready, Clarke put his tee out on the pitch. So Costello saw it, took it and fired it away. It shouldnt be on the pitch so I don't think anyone would complain that that was too unreasonable. But after Costello threw the tee away, he then noticed two more tees at either post. Getting those two tees and firing them away, was clearly unreasonable.
Cheers for the answer hound. I didn't see the incident at all. Would it have made much of a difference as surely Clarke is capable of kicking the ball out without a tee
Fair play hardy and I agree to an extent but the GAA either come down on all these antics or its bollix. The mental ferocity in which the dublin players started dragging out of our bucks in the dying minutes was so calculated , now if the ref awarded a free kick and handed mayo possession fourty yards out to where this was going on , it would of made some difference and teams might never engage in.this again.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2017, 06:43:03 PM
Fair play hardy and I agree to an extent but the GAA either come down on all these antics or its bollix. The mental ferocity in which the dublin players started dragging out of our bucks in the dying minutes was so calculated , now if the ref awarded a free kick and handed mayo possession fourty yards out to where this was going on , it would of made some difference and teams might never engage in.this again.
The black card is not enough of a deterrent for this type of behaviour and it won't stop it happening again. Conceding a 21 yard free would certainly be enough to deter the aggressor.
Clarke might have been better off without a tee in hindsight.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 21, 2017, 06:50:19 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2017, 06:43:03 PM
Fair play hardy and I agree to an extent but the GAA either come down on all these antics or its bollix. The mental ferocity in which the dublin players started dragging out of our bucks in the dying minutes was so calculated , now if the ref awarded a free kick and handed mayo possession fourty yards out to where this was going on , it would of made some difference and teams might never engage in.this again.
The black card is not enough of a deterrent for this type of behaviour and it won't stop it happening again. Conceding a 21 yard free would certainly be enough to deter the aggressor.
I know it's a long time ago but in 2012 when Mayo last beat the dubs the mayo defence was constantly pulling down Dublin players in the last 15 min.
You can bitch and cry about the pulling at the end, but when Clarke kicked the ball over the cusack stand sideline with his last kick out he had 2 players free on the Hogan stand side of the pitch. Small margins and not a mistake Cluxtin would make. Joe McQuillan played nearly 3 minutes extra on top of the original 6 minutes injury time and let a few late hits on Dublin players go as they played keep ball. He did give them a real chance to win the ball back.
It's a shame that Dublin's 3 in a row is being almost ignored with all the coverage of the same old mayo story and also the Sunday game the night of the All Ireland final was not the time to discuss splitting Dublin. An insult to their achievements
Dublin 7, absolutely Mayo did it in 12 and it was mayhem, I couldn't keep up with all the cynical stuff, physio s , water boy , mayo played f**k that year, I just want to see it stamped out as a whole if at all possible.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Lord save me, I have heard this pathetic refrain far too much over the last few days.
"Sure we'd all do it!"
Give me a break.
I played the game for 20 years and I never saw anything like this happening on the field.
It is 100% inexcusable.
If you have no problem with Keegan throwing the GPS monitor, then answer me this, what would have happened if Dean Rock missed?
What?? ;D ;D
You never played junior football in Meath then!
I've seen and was involved in far worse in matches between Robinstown and Dunderry and that was before the ref threw in the ball.
What would have happened if Keegan stood too close the the free taker or otherwise tried sledging or running across Rock's line of vision as he went to kick the ball or anything else you can think of that could be termed obstruction?
Dublin Joe would order the free to be retaken, moved the ball forward and let Rock re-take the free.
That's standard procedure and this instance should not be any different.
No one does themselves any favours with this "Dublin Joe" rubbish.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 22, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
No one does themselves any favours with this "Dublin Joe" rubbish.
Yeah if proper GAA men who played the game the wouldn't use that term, its cheap and immature and the man deserves respect.
Probably the most difficult game to ref all year. 100 pair of eyes.
He dished out enough yellow, reds and blacks that were correct, some frees maybe not on both sides but that's in every game
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
Dublin 7, absolutely Mayo did it in 12 and it was mayhem, I couldn't keep up with all the cynical stuff, physio s , water boy , mayo played f**k that year, I just want to see it stamped out as a whole if at all possible.
You'd kill the discussion board.
I like that part of the game, if you take it out you take out some of the best characters we have.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
Dublin 7, absolutely Mayo did it in 12 and it was mayhem, I couldn't keep up with all the cynical stuff, physio s , water boy , mayo played f**k that year, I just want to see it stamped out as a whole if at all possible.
And who called them out on it? Yes the great soothsayer Joe Brolly, and what did he repeat on Sun night after all those last minute antics, Dublin are a credit to the GAA.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Lord save me, I have heard this pathetic refrain far too much over the last few days.
"Sure we'd all do it!"
Give me a break.
I played the game for 20 years and I never saw anything like this happening on the field.
It is 100% inexcusable.
If you have no problem with Keegan throwing the GPS monitor, then answer me this, what would have happened if Dean Rock missed?
First off you never played with a GPS and secondly you've never played in an All Ireland final.. So you havent lost 3 finals by a single point and looking very close to losing number 4, you've also never put in the commitment these lads have put in also... You have watched football and you have watched the Meath teams of the past that roughed up players in regular games? they didnt do it say hello they were laying down a marker, bullying their opposite number and thus gaining an advantage...
Spin it any way you want but thats breaking the rules and lowering the ethics of the sport
To answer your question had Rock missed it and the referee seen it or his linesmen, then I'm sure he'd have booked Keegan and moved the ball forward. Joe played the advantage rule on that I dont know and its pointless as the ball flew over the bar and Dublin won
Quote from: Jinxy on September 21, 2017, 06:30:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2017, 11:20:47 PM
Throwing the gps at direction of the ball/player has been blown all out out proportion in my view, an act of desperation that is the same as someone shouting at a player taking a free or goal keeper banging the cross bar or the player throwing his hurl at the ball to try and block it... it's the final moments of an All Ireland final!
Third defeat by a single point ! Give the man a break ffs! The amount of off the ball crap that goes on in games and this incident gets the headlines!!
Lord save me, I have heard this pathetic refrain far too much over the last few days.
"Sure we'd all do it!"
Give me a break.
I played the game for 20 years and I never saw anything like this happening on the field.
It is 100% inexcusable.
If you have no problem with Keegan throwing the GPS monitor, then answer me this, what would have happened if Dean Rock missed?
It was more stupid than anything else, and I would hate if if one of my players did the same. The only thing it is likely to achieve is turning a difficult free into an easy free.
Rock didn't even notice it and just about got the ball to swing in enough to make it inside the far post. Imagine how Keegan would feel if Rock has just missed it and the ref moved the ball forward to an easy position!
Quote from: Hound on September 22, 2017, 11:57:25 AMImagine how Keegan would feel if Rock has just missed it and the ref moved the ball forward to an easy position!
"Tony, we're going to need a bigger GPS!"
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Poor aul John Small
His left jaw needing an ice bag despite it being the right side of his face that Donie Vaughans arm slid up against (after initially making contact with the top of his right arm).
At no stage during Smalls tackle on Boyle or during Vaughans tackle on Small was the left side of his face in contact with the opponent.
The disappointing thing with this image was that the "physio" (or whatever his role was) only applied the ice bag to the face when McQuillan came back on the scene after talking to his linesmen.
Quote from: blast05 on September 22, 2017, 12:25:27 PM
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Poor aul John Small
His left jaw needing an ice bag despite it being the right side of his face that Donie Vaughans arm slid up against (after initially making contact with the top of his right arm).
At no stage during Smalls tackle on Boyle or during Vaughans tackle on Small was the left side of his face in contact with the opponent.
The disappointing thing with this image was that the "physio" (or whatever his role was) only applied the ice bag to the face when McQuillan came back on the scene after talking to his linesmen.
Was it as disappointing as Boyle clutching his face on the ground after being shouldered in the chest?
Quote from: heffo on September 22, 2017, 12:32:16 PM
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Poor aul John Small
His left jaw needing an ice bag despite it being the right side of his face that Donie Vaughans arm slid up against (after initially making contact with the top of his right arm).
At no stage during Smalls tackle on Boyle or during Vaughans tackle on Small was the left side of his face in contact with the opponent.
The disappointing thing with this image was that the "physio" (or whatever his role was) only applied the ice bag to the face when McQuillan came back on the scene after talking to his linesmen.
Was it as disappointing as Boyle clutching his face on the ground after being shouldered in the chest?
In fairness, the good thing about Boyle feigning a head injury was that it caused Donie to explode.
He hit small so hard on the right side, that he gave him swelling on the left side.
Small should have went off in last years aif as well.
Small margins.
Quote from: rrhf on September 22, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
Small should have went off in last years aif as well.
Small margins.
The man with the flying elbows should've been sent off lots of times too.
How long do we continue this?
Listen ye guys have sam - its all that counts. Ye also have a media which puts ye on a pedestal of virtue so expect a little backlash on that. Tyrone used to be mauled for it and it drove them paranoid - ye guys just get a little taste of it. Dont shout it down - enjoy it while it lasts - Some day the referees could turn.
Getting fed up of all this shite. Thrown GPS trackers, thrown tees, all the off the ball holding, head locking, pull downs etc. No length of debate is going to change the result, all it does is further emphasise the amount of cynicism that exists in the game right now, the utter failure of the black card to deter it, and that the standards of refereeing at intercounty level are miles behind the effort and preparation being put in by the players who play it, when they have to put up with the officiating of clowns like MacQuillan or Deegan. 3 officials and 4 umpires directly involved in officiating the game, with a fourth official on the line and they still can't get it right. Until officials start applying the rules not interpreting them, until refereeing comes up to a more professional and consistent standard, until the GAA start to enforce a zero tolerance on cynical play then it's going to be the same crap going on game in game out for years to come.
Looked at the match, just reinforced my view lack of composure at crucial moments cost us. In any game the only factors you can directly influence are what you have control over. It's amazing the difference one second can make. Donie pauses for one second, realises we have the handy free and the extra man, doesn't retaliate on Small. One more second, Jason Doc takes it in closer and forces Cluxton to commit instead of trying to burst the net from a good distance out. Clarke takes one more second on our last kickout to look up and around and see a better option instead of rushing it and driving it out over the sideline. Small margins. :-\
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 22, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
No one does themselves any favours with this "Dublin Joe" rubbish.
For the record, I would not want anything I say or do at any time to be taken as an accusation of bias against Joe Mac.
I have no complaints about his performance on Sunday and I've never voiced/posted anything critical of him on this thread or any one prior to this.
I came across the term "Dublin Joe" literally seconds before I decided to respond to Jinxy's wail of indignant outrage.
I thought this was very funny because I had heard a Dub supporter a short while earlier launch in to overdrive in his criticism of Joe and his Mayo bias.
Okay, I have an off beat sense of humour but in fact I genuinely feel sorry for any man who refs any game at any time. It a cert that he'll get bollacked by both sides and will continue to be so until the present reffing system is overhauled.
Now, the main reason for my posting anything on the subject had nothing to do with Joe.
The sense of moral outrage over what Lee Keegan did is hypocrisy of the highest order and I'd feel the same way if had been a different player in any other game in any grade.
Keegan used illegal means to obstruct the free taker. That's a foul by any standards but it ain't a capital offence.
It would have been a foul, same as standing too near the freetaker or running across in front of him as he went to take the kick or whatever. Donegal and Dublin also were good at this until Pat Gilroy decided that blanket defences and tactical fouling were not the way to go.
What Leeroy did was no better or worse than Sean Cavanagh did when he dragged the Monaghan player down to prevent a certain score. It was an act calculated to prevent a score, no more and no less.
This led to the introduction of the much-derided black card so if Keegan dragged O'Callaghan down in the first minute to prevent a certain goal he'd be black carded.
But nobody would be reaching for the smelling salts or mounting high horses to declare the heinousness of his action, would they?
In objective terms, he committed a foul, which was no better or worse than any other deliberate foul in the course of the game and there were plenty of them.
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Poor aul John Small
His left jaw needing an ice bag despite it being the right side of his face that Donie Vaughans arm slid up against (after initially making contact with the top of his right arm).
At no stage during Smalls tackle on Boyle or during Vaughans tackle on Small was the left side of his face in contact with the opponent.
The disappointing thing with this image was that the "physio" (or whatever his role was) only applied the ice bag to the face when McQuillan came back on the scene after talking to his linesmen.
Was it as disappointing as Boyle clutching his face on the ground after being shouldered in the chest?
In fairness, the good thing about Boyle feigning a head injury was that it caused Donie to explode.
if you have a look at Vaughan immediately after Small hits the ground you'll see Vaughan pointing to his shoulder as if that's all he hit him with, why? Everyone knew he swung his arm
Quote from: heffo on September 22, 2017, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 22, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
Small should have went off in last years aif as well.
Small margins.
The man with the flying elbows should've been sent off lots of times too.
How long do we continue this?
Michael Dara MacAuley??? :P
Quote from: bucko on September 22, 2017, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 22, 2017, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 22, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
Small should have went off in last years aif as well.
Small margins.
The man with the flying elbows should've been sent off lots of times too.
How long do we continue this?
Michael Dara MacAuley??? :P
AOS I'd say. Leads with the elbow every time and always gets away with it. As someone who lost a few teeth despite wearing a gumshield to such an action it's one I'm familiar with. He could also have got a black card when he must have momentarily lost the cool at losing the second half throw in.
There are lots of incidents that were missed.
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Thanks. I normally have to do that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 22, 2017, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Thanks. I normally have to do that.
;D :D
I expected better from an intelligent poster like Lar.
Show how an urban myth can even suck in the best.
Doesn't say much for the security in Croke Park but fair play to the lads ;D http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276050
Quote from: Cunny Funt on September 22, 2017, 04:42:24 PM
Doesn't say much for the security in Croke Park but fair play to the lads ;D http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276050
What a pair of dopes. If they hadn't went mouthing about it, they could have been going in there for the next twenty years like that!!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Wasn't it?
Joe Brolly seems to think that it was. At least he thinks it was due to this incident and his highlighting of it that the card was introduced.
What do you say led to the card being introduced?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 22, 2017, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Wasn't it?
Joe Brolly seems to think that it was. At least he thinks it was due to this incident and his highlighting of it that the card was introduced.
What do you say led to the card being introduced?
The GAA convention held about three months before Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled Conor McManus..
Who's Grumpy talking about here lads??
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/he-thought-he-was-lionel-messi-eamon-dunphy-claims-some-dublin-footballers-really-fancy-themselves-36159667.html
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2017, 08:45:52 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 22, 2017, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Larnaparka - the Black Card WAS NOT INTRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE CAVANAGH FOUL.
Sadly it has always paid to foul in Gaelic Football and continues to do so.
Wasn't it?
Joe Brolly seems to think that it was. At least he thinks it was due to this incident and his highlighting of it that the card was introduced.
What do you say led to the card being introduced?
The GAA convention held about three months before Sean Cavanagh rugby tackled Conor McManus..
As Syfīn says Lar Congress passed it in the Spring but it was decided to hold off implementation till 1st January.
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.
Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
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Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.
Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
Dublin are not Melchester Rovers. They are something duller. If Carlsberg made boring it would be Cluxton.
Quote from: seafoid on September 24, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 24, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.
Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
Dublin are not Melchester Rovers. They are something duller. If Carlsberg made boring it would be Cluxton.
As a Mayoman I want to distance myself from such catty and easily typed comments. Cluxton is clearly a super talented player but a reluctant public figure. Is he any less of a man for this? He deserves more respect than such trite comments for his inability to entertain you more. Grow the f**k up.
Quote from: seafoid on September 24, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 24, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.
Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
Dublin are not Melchester Rovers. They are something duller. If Carlsberg made boring it would be Cluxton.
I'd like to see you stand up in front of eighty thousand people in Croke Park. I suspect that like most of us you wouldn't sparkle. It's a pity that you can't focus on the fact that Stephen Cluxton is one of the most influential footballers of our generation - or is that too hard for you to acknowledge?
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Quote from: seafoid on September 24, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 24, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Buttofthehill on September 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on September 24, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.
Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.
I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.
I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.
Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
Dublin are not Melchester Rovers. They are something duller. If Carlsberg made boring it would be Cluxton.
I'd like to see you stand up in front of eighty thousand people in Croke Park. I suspect that like most of us you wouldn't sparkle. It's a pity that you can't focus on the fact that Stephen Cluxton is one of the most influential footballers of our generation - or is that too hard for you to acknowledge?
He is the greatest goalkeeper since Furlong. He should be sponsored by Dulux
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
Mostly the latter i feel party poopers if you will. Should also note these Mayo players had to win back a lot of neutral love after the way they got rid of the last management. On Dublins lack of emotion maybe we would see more if their supporters we allowed on to the field to celebrate in Croke park.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 24, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
Mostly the latter i feel party poopers if you will. Should also note these Mayo players had to win back a lot of neutral love after the way they got rid of the last management. On Dublins lack of emotion maybe we would see more if their supporters we allowed on to the field to celebrate in Croke park.
Even people in Roscommon hate Dublin's unspoken advantages, and we have absolutely no interest in Mayo's magical mystery tour for a bit of tin.
It's a pity you and a few other apologists try to reduce a very serious problem down to personal dislike. As Donald Trump might say - sad!
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 24, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
Mostly the latter i feel party poopers if you will. Should also note these Mayo players had to win back a lot of neutral love after the way they got rid of the last management. On Dublins lack of emotion maybe we would see more if their supporters we allowed on to the field to celebrate in Croke park.
Even people in Roscommon hate Dublin's unspoken advantages, and we have absolutely no interest in Mayo's magical mystery tour for a bit of tin.
It's a pity you and a few other apologists try to reduce a very serious problem down to personal dislike. As Donald Trump might say - sad!
Syferus, you may. I don't. Mayo have won 46 Connacht titles, meaning for 46 times in their history they've been in the latter stages of the All-Ireland, mostly semi-final stage. They have a big population advantage in Connacht and also get the full pick of one of Roscommon's largest towns. The disrespect shown to Dublin by the mucksavage mafia is embarrassing. They are a great bunch of talented footballers that only come around every now and again (ask Galway or, Meath) and they deserve that respect. If sponsors made great footballers, Ballymore or Supermacs would have surely got a return on investment by now.
Quote from: weareros on September 24, 2017, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 24, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
Mostly the latter i feel party poopers if you will. Should also note these Mayo players had to win back a lot of neutral love after the way they got rid of the last management. On Dublins lack of emotion maybe we would see more if their supporters we allowed on to the field to celebrate in Croke park.
Even people in Roscommon hate Dublin's unspoken advantages, and we have absolutely no interest in Mayo's magical mystery tour for a bit of tin.
It's a pity you and a few other apologists try to reduce a very serious problem down to personal dislike. As Donald Trump might say - sad!
Syferus, you may. I don't. Mayo have won 46 Connacht titles, meaning for 46 times in their history they've been in the latter stages of the All-Ireland, mostly semi-final stage. They have a big population advantage in Connacht and also get the full pick of one of Roscommon's largest towns. The disrespect shown to Dublin by the mucksavage mafia is embarrassing. They are a great bunch of talented footballers that only come around every now and again (ask Galway or, Meath) and they deserve that respect. If sponsors made great footballers, Ballymore or Supermacs would have surely got a return on investment by now.
You are in the almost microscopic minority and I'm sure you well knew that before you typed a word.
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 24, 2017, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
Mostly the latter i feel party poopers if you will. Should also note these Mayo players had to win back a lot of neutral love after the way they got rid of the last management. On Dublins lack of emotion maybe we would see more if their supporters we allowed on to the field to celebrate in Croke park.
Even people in Roscommon hate Dublin’s unspoken advantages, and we have absolutely no interest in Mayo’s magical mystery tour for a bit of tin.
It’s a pity you and a few other apologists try to reduce a very serious problem down to personal dislike. As Donald Trump might say - sad!
You and Trump have plenty in common alright. Hate far too strong of a word for a football team its only a sport at the end of the day.
Dublin have an increbily talented bunch of players, special group of footballers. End of.
http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/The_Off_The_Ball_Paper_Review/57669/Paul_Kimmage__Kieran_Cunningham
Kimmage some tool.
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
I despise this casual acceptance in some quarters that what Keegan did was acceptable in any context, as if no one has ever been better and cannot cast stones. To people like that - grow the fúck up. Keegan deserves to be raked over the coals for it, same as Tiernan McCann was for rolling around like a baby because someone touched his hair, or Philly McMahon for going so far over the line with his sledging.
We witnessed the best player in gaelic football make a fool of himself on the biggest stage of them all and people want to make excuses for him? Laughable. Keegan should have won the game within the rules if it "matters so much" to him.
On a side note - Tomas has been a seriously poor pundit, parroting the party line like all the others. Only Brolly and O'Rourke seem to be genuinely independent in their views on the TSG panel. I think it's fair to say most here don't pay much heed to his Kerrygold brand punditry anymore, Lar.
After the last week, it feels like the Dubs have the ammunition for a siege mentality for next year. Maybe that was the plan
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 24, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
There is undue hate for this Dublin team, leaving aside the off the field financial advantages etc. is it just because they are currently spoiling Mayo getting over the line?
I'd say it's mostly because they are out of sight for most counties. 90% of Dublin's wins have been routine and in 2nd gear. As good as Tyrone or Kerry were in the 00s, plenty of sides would have fancied giving them their fill of it.
All the 90s champions could have been beaten. A huge gulf has emerged with this Dublin team.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent post Lar, thanks for sharing. My initial reaction to the GPS thing was probably a little ott - perhaps as it was something I'd never come across before (throwing something at a freetaker). Perhaps the case should be made for banning ALL GPS trackers!
O'Sé's last piece is absolutely correct. There always has and always will be inequality in the GAA. The beauty is that the "haves" don't always win because there are intangible things (that GPS trackers can't measure) that are often the difference.
I'd ban gps trackers
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 10:30:20 PM
I despise this casual acceptance in some quarters that what Keegan did was acceptable in any context, as if no one has ever been better and cannot cast stones. To people like that - grow the fúck up. Keegan deserves to be raked over the coals for it, same as Tiernan McCann was for rolling around like a baby because someone touched his hair, or Philly McMahon for going so far over the line with his sledging.
We witnessed the best player in gaelic football make a fool of himself on the biggest stage of them all and people want to make excuses for him? Laughable. Keegan should have won the game within the rules if it "matters so much" to him.
On a side note - Tomas has been a seriously poor pundit, parroting the party line like all the others. Only Brolly and O'Rourke seem to be genuinely independent in their views on the TSG panel. I think it's fair to say most here don't pay much heed to his Kerrygold brand punditry anymore, Lar.
Bedad, syf, you're in horrid bad humour. ;D
I have a serious pain by now in that region where the back loses its polite name with all the tutting and moralising from those who haven't a bull's notion of what went on and goes on in this or any other game.
Irrational human nature (in everyone else of course!) has always fascinated me so I have a few questions for you, the ultimate example of same!
Just as one cannot half dig a hole or half kick someone up the arse, you either play by the Treoir Óifigiúil or not - no fudging the rules. So it logically follows that the the grade, location, teams involved don't come into the reckoning. So it's moral and ethical probity all the way, nothing you couldn't let your granny come to see.
One team is awarded a free and an opponent tries to distract the freetaker as he prepares to kick the ball. The method used to distract the kicker should be irrelevant. But as this is going on, the freetakers team is preparing to deny possession to the defending side when the kick out is taken. This is not a spur of the moment action, it's been planned for such exigencies as a part of the normal routine. So one runs in to nab the goalie's tees to deny him a quick kickout and allow the attacking side get into position.
The kickout is taken anyway and each forward turns on his opposite number and pulls him to the ground or drags his jersey or does whatever it takes to prevent the defender getting possession. This is pre-planned as the attacking side knows damn well that a black card at this stage of the game is is pointless. Run down the clock by fair means or fouls and frig the consequences.
I think any rational individual would agree that you and you fellow-travellers need a spell in the house for the bewildered.
One small point though it that the kicking tee should not have been on the 13 metre line. I'd say if you could come up with a belt that they'd attach to or a means of a keeper carrying one without using his hands you could be onto a nice little earner.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2017, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 10:30:20 PM
I despise this casual acceptance in some quarters that what Keegan did was acceptable in any context, as if no one has ever been better and cannot cast stones. To people like that - grow the fúck up. Keegan deserves to be raked over the coals for it, same as Tiernan McCann was for rolling around like a baby because someone touched his hair, or Philly McMahon for going so far over the line with his sledging.
We witnessed the best player in gaelic football make a fool of himself on the biggest stage of them all and people want to make excuses for him? Laughable. Keegan should have won the game within the rules if it "matters so much" to him.
On a side note - Tomas has been a seriously poor pundit, parroting the party line like all the others. Only Brolly and O'Rourke seem to be genuinely independent in their views on the TSG panel. I think it's fair to say most here don't pay much heed to his Kerrygold brand punditry anymore, Lar.
Bedad, syf, you're in horrid bad humour. ;D
I have a serious pain by now in that region where the back loses its polite name with all the tutting and moralising from those who haven't a bull's notion of what went on and goes on in this or any other game.
Irrational human nature (in everyone else of course!) has always fascinated me so I have a few questions for you, the ultimate example of same!
Just as one cannot half dig a hole or half kick someone up the arse, you either play by the Treoir Óifigiúil or not - no fudging the rules. So it logically follows that the the grade, location, teams involved don't come into the reckoning. So it's moral and ethical probity all the way, nothing you couldn't let your granny come to see.
One team is awarded a free and an opponent tries to distract the freetaker as he prepares to kick the ball. The method used to distract the kicker should be irrelevant. But as this is going on, the freetakers team is preparing to deny possession to the defending side when the kick out is taken. This is not a spur of the moment action, it's been planned for such exigencies as a part of the normal routine. So one runs in to nab the goalie's tees to deny him a quick kickout and allow the attacking side get into position.
The kickout is taken anyway and each forward turns on his opposite number and pulls him to the ground or drags his jersey or does whatever it takes to prevent the defender getting possession. This is pre-planned as the attacking side knows damn well that a black card at this stage of the game is is pointless. Run down the clock by fair means or fouls and frig the consequences.
I think any rational individual would agree that you and you fellow-travellers need a spell in the house for the bewildered.
and the reality is that Mayo, kerry , Tyrone or anyone else would do the exact same as Dublin did in similar circumstances. its not pretty or edifying but its reality
Quote from: Orchard park on September 25, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2017, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2017, 10:30:20 PM
I despise this casual acceptance in some quarters that what Keegan did was acceptable in any context, as if no one has ever been better and cannot cast stones. To people like that - grow the fúck up. Keegan deserves to be raked over the coals for it, same as Tiernan McCann was for rolling around like a baby because someone touched his hair, or Philly McMahon for going so far over the line with his sledging.
We witnessed the best player in gaelic football make a fool of himself on the biggest stage of them all and people want to make excuses for him? Laughable. Keegan should have won the game within the rules if it "matters so much" to him.
On a side note - Tomas has been a seriously poor pundit, parroting the party line like all the others. Only Brolly and O'Rourke seem to be genuinely independent in their views on the TSG panel. I think it's fair to say most here don't pay much heed to his Kerrygold brand punditry anymore, Lar.
Bedad, syf, you're in horrid bad humour. ;D
I have a serious pain by now in that region where the back loses its polite name with all the tutting and moralising from those who haven't a bull's notion of what went on and goes on in this or any other game.
Irrational human nature (in everyone else of course!) has always fascinated me so I have a few questions for you, the ultimate example of same!
Just as one cannot half dig a hole or half kick someone up the arse, you either play by the Treoir Óifigiúil or not - no fudging the rules. So it logically follows that the the grade, location, teams involved don't come into the reckoning. So it's moral and ethical probity all the way, nothing you couldn't let your granny come to see.
One team is awarded a free and an opponent tries to distract the freetaker as he prepares to kick the ball. The method used to distract the kicker should be irrelevant. But as this is going on, the freetakers team is preparing to deny possession to the defending side when the kick out is taken. This is not a spur of the moment action, it's been planned for such exigencies as a part of the normal routine. So one runs in to nab the goalie's tees to deny him a quick kickout and allow the attacking side get into position.
The kickout is taken anyway and each forward turns on his opposite number and pulls him to the ground or drags his jersey or does whatever it takes to prevent the defender getting possession. This is pre-planned as the attacking side knows damn well that a black card at this stage of the game is is pointless. Run down the clock by fair means or fouls and frig the consequences.
I think any rational individual would agree that you and you fellow-travellers need a spell in the house for the bewildered.
and the reality is that Mayo, kerry , Tyrone or anyone else would do the exact same as Dublin did in similar circumstances. its not pretty or edifying but its reality
They would indeed. I've made the point repeatedly that I don't resent Dublin's success. Fair play to them as they are only doing what anyone else would do in similar circumstances. The pressures on players to win at all costs are mounting all the time and the time when teams set out to provide entertainment for the masses are long gone.
It's a sign that the inmates are truly in charge off the asylum when amateur players are equipped with gps equipment or the likes in an attempt to squeeze one extra ounce of performance out of them and give them the tiniest advantage over the opposition.
Unless we abolish competitive games we'll continue to squeeze more things.....
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
Excellent interview with Andy talking to Joe Molloy.The relevant part of the interview for the Rossies is towards the end if any of ye are interested in the truth.
Quote from: maigheo on September 27, 2017, 02:06:28 AM
Excellent interview with Andy talking to Joe Molloy.The relevant part of the interview for the Rossies is towards the end if any of ye are interested in the truth.
"Truth"..
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
So if the area around Athlone got transferred to Westmeath would these guys suddenly become Westmeathmen
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent post Lar, thanks for sharing. My initial reaction to the GPS thing was probably a little ott - perhaps as it was something I'd never come across before (throwing something at a freetaker). Perhaps the case should be made for banning ALL GPS trackers!
O'Sé's last piece is absolutely correct. There always has and always will be inequality in the GAA. The beauty is that the "haves" don't always win because there are intangible things (that GPS trackers can't measure) that are often the difference.
I think this defence for Lee Keegan that anyone would do it is ridiculous. No one has done it before and I'd say no one has even thought about it. A huge to leap from pulling down players to throwing a GPS at someone. I remember Canavan pulling down Colm Cooper in the last minute of an All Ireland final to stop him from getting forward for the goal Kerry needed.
I also don't remember anyone throwing anything at Cillian O'Connor this year or last year when he was taking a free deep into injury time. It's seems because Dean Rock scored the free the GAA can pretend it didn't happen. What's to stop players throwing water bottles at free takers from now on. By not penalising Lee Keegan how can the GAA punish somebody else who trys the same thing?
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
So if the area around Athlone got transferred to Westmeath would these guys suddenly become Westmeathmen
If there are any Ballagh people still around who were born before 1898........
Quote from: dublin7 on September 27, 2017, 08:22:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent post Lar, thanks for sharing. My initial reaction to the GPS thing was probably a little ott - perhaps as it was something I'd never come across before (throwing something at a freetaker). Perhaps the case should be made for banning ALL GPS trackers!
O'Sé's last piece is absolutely correct. There always has and always will be inequality in the GAA. The beauty is that the "haves" don't always win because there are intangible things (that GPS trackers can't measure) that are often the difference.
I think this defence for Lee Keegan that anyone would do it is ridiculous. No one has done it before and I'd say no one has even thought about it. A huge to leap from pulling down players to throwing a GPS at someone. I remember Canavan pulling down Colm Cooper in the last minute of an All Ireland final to stop him from getting forward for the goal Kerry needed.
I also don't remember anyone throwing anything at Cillian O'Connor this year or last year when he was taking a free deep into injury time. It's seems because Dean Rock scored the free the GAA can pretend it didn't happen. What's to stop players throwing water bottles at free takers from now on. By not penalising Lee Keegan how can the GAA punish somebody else who trys the same thing?
I don't think anyone is saying it's right. There are hundreds of things that go on in every game that are against the rules and go unpunished. That's why I find the Sunday evening selective highlighting of incidents so wrong. Highlight them all or none at all.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 27, 2017, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 27, 2017, 08:22:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent post Lar, thanks for sharing. My initial reaction to the GPS thing was probably a little ott - perhaps as it was something I'd never come across before (throwing something at a freetaker). Perhaps the case should be made for banning ALL GPS trackers!
O'Sé's last piece is absolutely correct. There always has and always will be inequality in the GAA. The beauty is that the "haves" don't always win because there are intangible things (that GPS trackers can't measure) that are often the difference.
I think this defence for Lee Keegan that anyone would do it is ridiculous. No one has done it before and I'd say no one has even thought about it. A huge to leap from pulling down players to throwing a GPS at someone. I remember Canavan pulling down Colm Cooper in the last minute of an All Ireland final to stop him from getting forward for the goal Kerry needed.
I also don't remember anyone throwing anything at Cillian O'Connor this year or last year when he was taking a free deep into injury time. It's seems because Dean Rock scored the free the GAA can pretend it didn't happen. What's to stop players throwing water bottles at free takers from now on. By not penalising Lee Keegan how can the GAA punish somebody else who trys the same thing?
I don't think anyone is saying it's right. There are hundreds of things that go on in every game that are against the rules and go unpunished. That's why I find the Sunday evening selective highlighting of incidents so wrong. Highlight them all or none at all.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 27, 2017, 08:22:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 24, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
I thought I was finished with the game and the result and the snapping and bitching that followed it but, after reading what both Tómás Ó Sé and Alan Brogan had to say on the result and especially on that Lee Keegan incident, I think it's worth repeating here.
I was very surprised at the amount of sanctimonious horseshit that was spouted in the wake of Keegan's gamesmanship. I mean there wasn't a single player on the field who wouldn't resort to dubious tactics if he found himself in the same position as Keegan was when Rock prepared to take the free. T
Tómás had this to say:
"I see a big hullaballoo now over Lee Keegan throwing that GPS tracker unit at Rock as he lined up that last decisive free and, if I'm honest, it just makes me laugh.
People might regard that as bad sportsmanship, but those same people clearly don't understand what it's like out there in the bear-pit. Look, I accept that what he did wasn't right, but I've just no appetite for the piety flowing from some quarters now.
Put it this way, up to four Dublin forwards could have been black-carded for their behaviour while Clarke was trying to take that last kick-out. How do you ref that?
It was all desperately cynical but, while we might not like to admit it, I'd venture a suggestion that one of the reasons Sunday's game was so compelling was because of that very ruthlessness. The almost unscrupulous pursuit of victory.
I mean look at Rock after he lands that trojan score. His next act is to run and slam his opponent into the back. While he was doing that, team-mates began wrestling their direct opponents to the ground. You won't see a more cynical close to any game, anywhere, any time."
I see sweet damn all to disagree with in that.
Nobody went onto the field to provide entertainment for the masses. It's a great pity but that the inevitable consequence of the pressure for success players are put under by fans and media alike.
Alan didn't beat about the bush either.
The title of his article is: "You do what you have to when the game is on the line."
One paragraph in particular stood out, for me at least.
" But gamesmanship, defined as the use of methods, especially in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal is common practice amongst the most successful Gaelic teams and it would be difficult to compete without understanding how to push the boundaries that a referee provides."
Personally, I don't like the amount of cynicism and gamesmanship that's to be found in the game today but there's no point in pretending otherwise. Players at this level don't set out to entertain and will go as far as the ref allows in pursuit of victory.
BTW, this is also from Ó'Sé:
"And, by the way, the argument doing the rounds right now about Dublin GAA getting too much money, in my view, misses the point. What people should be focusing on is how they use that money so well.
Remember, Mayo probably have about a tenth of the Dubs' financial resources, yet only the tiniest of margins separate them on the field. If you ask me, it's high time other counties got their heads out of the sand and began focusing on self-help here."
I see nothing wrong with that either.
Excellent post Lar, thanks for sharing. My initial reaction to the GPS thing was probably a little ott - perhaps as it was something I'd never come across before (throwing something at a freetaker). Perhaps the case should be made for banning ALL GPS trackers!
O'Sé's last piece is absolutely correct. There always has and always will be inequality in the GAA. The beauty is that the "haves" don't always win because there are intangible things (that GPS trackers can't measure) that are often the difference.
I think this defence for Lee Keegan that anyone would do it is ridiculous. No one has done it before and I'd say no one has even thought about it. A huge to leap from pulling down players to throwing a GPS at someone. I remember Canavan pulling down Colm Cooper in the last minute of an All Ireland final to stop him from getting forward for the goal Kerry needed.
I also don't remember anyone throwing anything at Cillian O'Connor this year or last year when he was taking a free deep into injury time. It's seems because Dean Rock scored the free the GAA can pretend it didn't happen. What's to stop players throwing water bottles at free takers from now on. By not penalising Lee Keegan how can the GAA punish somebody else who trys the same thing?
First things first. He didn't throw it at Rock, he threw it at the football. I know it doesn't make it quite as dramatic but thems the facts. You probably haven't seen it before because players are only using these good damn gps trackers the last few years.
Secondly If Joe McQuillan had seen it he would have definitely punished Mayo and Keegan by moving the free in. He may even have issued a yellow card. What kind of action should the GAA now take to make up for this outrageous oversight by McQuillan which will appease the Dublin faithful.
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
I thought that the most relevant point of Andy's interview was that he would still get his hair cut by Seanie McDermott. Is this as close as Seanie will come to greatness?
if the referee has seen Keegan throwing the GPS unit correct action would have been to bring the free forward.( which woiuld havbe been a worse penalty than a black card in the Circumstances)
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
I'm just gonna throw this out there, because I genuinely don't know the answer
What ACTUAL rule was broken by Keegan throwing the GPS?
And per the rule book what is the correct punishment?
Lots on here saying that the correct punishment would have been to move the ball forward, but where is the rule stating that?
Is there a rule that prohibits throwing something at the ball / another player?
Obviously, what keegan did was wrong but I'm just curious what rule did he actually break?
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Mayo adopted the same kick out disruption tactic in the first ten minutes - holding the full back line. Dragging players to the ground.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it.
This is a vital observation, if Mayo had the ball, fair chance they'd have scored. Worst kick of the day
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
So if the area around Athlone got transferred to Westmeath would these guys suddenly become Westmeathmen
Andy Moran would have been raised a Roscommon man whatever year he was born. His family home is as near Lisacul as it is Ballagh.
Pity you didn't check before you posted because it totally negates the point you were trying to make.
If the (alleged) GPS throwing, tee interference, dragging down players and eye gouging had happened in a Carlow v Louth game I suspect the 4Cs would have no problem seeing clearly and finding the relevant rule and issuing suspensions.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 27, 2017, 12:30:36 PM
If the (alleged) GPS throwing, tee interference, dragging down players and eye gouging had happened in a Carlow v Louth game I suspect the 4Cs would have no problem seeing clearly and finding the relevant rule and issuing suspensions.
Unless it was highlighted on that terrible programme on RTE2 on Sunday evenings there would be no action. And it if was Carlow v Louth it wouldn't be highlighted.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 27, 2017, 12:30:36 PM
If the (alleged) GPS throwing, tee interference, dragging down players and eye gouging had happened in a Carlow v Louth game I suspect the 4Cs would have no problem seeing clearly and finding the relevant rule and issuing suspensions.
what is the 'relevant rule'?
Quote from: westbound on September 27, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
I'm just gonna throw this out there, because I genuinely don't know the answer
What ACTUAL rule was broken by Keegan throwing the GPS?
And per the rule book what is the correct punishment?
Lots on here saying that the correct punishment would have been to move the ball forward, but where is the rule stating that?
Is there a rule that prohibits throwing something at the ball / another player?
Obviously, what keegan did was wrong but I'm just curious what rule did he actually break?
Interfering with person taking a free is to move the ball forward 13m, player continues with that then its a yellow card, further continues its a second yellow followed by red.. I'd assume
Or trying to deliberate cause injury to player can be a red
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 27, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
I thought that the most relevant point of Andy's interview was that he would still get his hair cut by Seanie McDermott. Is this as close as Seanie will come to greatness?
Andy will give it one more year to bring an all Ireland medal to Roscommon ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
So if the area around Athlone got transferred to Westmeath would these guys suddenly become Westmeathmen
Andy Moran would have been raised a Roscommon man whatever year he was born. His family home is as near Lisacul as it is Ballagh.
Pity you didn't check before you posted because it totally negates the point you were trying to make.
Was his home place in that part of Mayo that was "stolen" by Roscommon? If it was, then hes a Mayo man in my view. Are Nationalists in the six counties British, by virtue of living in a place that was annexxed?
BTW...do you see the irony in the fact that you have a pure born Mayo man as your avatar.
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2017, 01:26:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 27, 2017, 12:30:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on September 27, 2017, 03:47:27 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2017, 03:46:07 PM
Meanwhile Roscommonman Andy Moran commits to the Rhubarbs cause for 2018.
So if the area around Athlone got transferred to Westmeath would these guys suddenly become Westmeathmen
Andy Moran would have been raised a Roscommon man whatever year he was born. His family home is as near Lisacul as it is Ballagh.
Pity you didn't check before you posted because it totally negates the point you were trying to make.
Was his home place in that part of Mayo that was "stolen" by Roscommon? If it was, then hes a Mayo man in my view. Are Nationalists in the six counties British, by virtue of living in a place that was annexxed?
BTW...do you see the irony in the fact that you have a pure born Mayo man as your avatar.
You managed to miss the entire point of the last response.
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
But thats not exactly what happened.
Clarke took kickout but as McQuillan had already blown the whistle he brought it back. And rightly so. Costello's yellow was for dragging his man down, nothing to do with the tee. Why it was yellow is beyond me. Kilkennys black was called by the linesman, and the the other two incidents were ignored. 2 minutes added on because it took Joe so long to deal with it and walk Kilkenny off the field.
You are right thou. Clarke did make a balls of the kickout so it seems the distraction and delay tactics did work
One thing I've wondered since. Why no footage of this kickout. Why did the RTE producer feel the need to pan in on Rochford when all this was happening on the pitch
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Mayo adopted the same kick out disruption tactic in the first ten minutes - holding the full back line. Dragging players to the ground.
Not even close. You are just making stuff up now.
Quote from: Kurtz on September 27, 2017, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 27, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
I thought that the most relevant point of Andy's interview was that he would still get his hair cut by Seanie McDermott. Is this as close as Seanie will come to greatness?
Andy will give it one more year to bring an all Ireland medal to Roscommon ;D ;D ;D
As I told ye all before Ye'll never win Sam while ye have anyone from Ballagh on ye're panel.
And maybe South Sligo too?
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Mayo adopted the same kick out disruption tactic in the first ten minutes - holding the full back line. Dragging players to the ground.
Now, now Heffo, what about you and me? We haven't forgotten it, have we?
Like all games where the stakes are high, both teams played it right to the edge.All have sussed Joe Mac out early one and after that two very experienced sides would have sold their grannies, if necessary to win that game.
I quoted what both Alan Brogan and Tomás Ó'Sé had to say about what went on in the last few minutes. Paul Gainey had his say also and reckoned that it's a case of kill or be killed, everything short of physical assault is par for the course or words to that effect.
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
No Marquis of Queensbury rules here!
But one thing puzzled me and that was Charlie Redmond's bizarre attack on Keegan. 'Twas the lowest act Charlie had seen in 25 years- no words to describe the heinousness of his act etc. etc. and so on. When I finished laughing, I began to think. Couldn't figure out Charlie's motive for this. It was a case of pot calling kettle black.
I have known Charlie for a long time, from his days in Erin's Isle and very few games went by that didn't see Charlie in some sort of bother with the ref.
Then it suddenly struck me that he wanted to divert attention away from what happened when Clarke went to take the kickout. What happened there was premeditated and far more cynical that Keegan's desperate attempt to put Rock off his stride.
Alan Brogan said that was the sort of stuff that wouldn't be officially approved; it wouldn't have been brought up in the dressing room or anything like that all players would have known what it took to deny Mayo possession after the restart and they succeeded. Who gave a damn about a black card or a yellow either at that stage of the game? Simple as that.
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 27, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it.
This is a vital observation, if Mayo had the ball, fair chance they'd have scored. Worst kick of the day
Maybe the Dublin antics got inside Clarkes head? how else can you explain such a bad kick out in a key stage of a game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZpwJF2hq5U
The worst kick out seen this summer however was this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvVRK6BG8BI
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 27, 2017, 11:41:03 AM
Quote from: criostlinn on September 27, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
As for the dragging down players. If you are ok with what went on at the end of the game, fine so be it. Many's the person have said you do what ever it takes to win so your opinion is not unique but don't even try and dismiss it by comparing it to what Canavan did 10 years ago. It wasn't one player dragged down of the ball but a team effort using illegal means to slow down the kickout and prevent Clarke finding a man.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2017, 10:42:32 AM
had the referred had seen 3 Dublin players pull down mayo players and Costellos action that would have been 4 black cards and Dublin would have finished with 11 possibly 12 players depending on how many subs they had used .
id have fancied mayo chances to have equalized ....
Are you forgetting what actually happened lads?
There was a number of incidents going on before the Clarke kick out, so McQuillan blew the whistle and stopped him kicking out. McQuillan picked out Costello (for the tee incident perhaps?) and gave him a yellow. He picked out Kilkenny for a drag down and gave him a black. He added on another nearly 2 minutes for this. So the Dublin cynicism in no shape worked, in fact it probably backfired with the added time and one less man on the pitch.
Clarke then took the kick with Mayo having an extra man. But he made a balls of it. There were two men in the vicinty of Brogan, neither of whom were being fouled. Clarke kicked it over all their heads and out for a sideline! Calm head was required.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Mayo adopted the same kick out disruption tactic in the first ten minutes - holding the full back line. Dragging players to the ground.
Now, now Heffo, what about you and me? We haven't forgotten it, have we?
Like all games where the stakes are high, both teams played it right to the edge.All have sussed Joe Mac out early one and after that two very experienced sides would have sold their grannies, if necessary to win that game.
I quoted what both Alan Brogan and Tomás Ó'Sé had to say about what went on in the last few minutes. Paul Gainey had his say also and reckoned that it's a case of kill or be killed, everything short of physical assault is par for the course or words to that effect.
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
No Marquis of Queensbury rules here!
But one thing puzzled me and that was Charlie Redmond's bizarre attack on Keegan. 'Twas the lowest act Charlie had seen in 25 years- no words to describe the heinousness of his act etc. etc. and so on. When I finished laughing, I began to think. Couldn't figure out Charlie's motive for this. It was a case of pot calling kettle black.
I have known Charlie for a long time, from his days in Erin's Isle and very few games went by that didn't see Charlie in some sort of bother with the ref.
Then it suddenly struck me that he wanted to divert attention away from what happened when Clarke went to take the kickout. What happened there was premeditated and far more cynical that Keegan's desperate attempt to put Rock off his stride.
Alan Brogan said that was the sort of stuff that wouldn't be officially approved; it wouldn't have been brought up in the dressing room or anything like that all players would have known what it took to deny Mayo possession after the restart and they succeeded. Who gave a damn about a black card or a yellow either at that stage of the game? Simple as that.
Dublin may not have cared about a Yellow, But if McQuillan stuck to the letter of the law there would have been 2 to 3 Blacks at least in the closing minutes. No Referee would have the Balls to do that to Dublin in Croke Park and definitely not McQuillan! And Dublin know this. McQuillan went for one Black and a safe Yellow to a player just on the pitch. A token gesture.
Still giving out about the ref I see. Makes pleasant reading.
Whilwe we're talking about black cards the ref missed - AOS should have got one right at the start of the second half for a trip after he lost the throw in.
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
Whilwe we're talking about black cards the ref missed - AOS should have got one right at the start of the second half for a trip after he lost the throw in.
the most obvious one of all probably
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
Whilwe we're talking about black cards the ref missed - AOS should have got one right at the start of the second half for a trip after he lost the throw in.
the most obvious one of all probably
And you'll never know what would have happened. Whoever replaced him could have changed the whole game ......
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Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
Whilwe we're talking about black cards the ref missed - AOS should have got one right at the start of the second half for a trip after he lost the throw in.
the most obvious one of all probably
And you'll never know what would have happened. Whoever replaced him could have changed the whole game ......
given the impact the Mayo subs had, is that likely
It's a pity Mayo fans can't accept they were beaten by the better team. Far easier to blame the ref rather than blame David Clarke not being able to keep his head and find the extra man with his kick out.
Always with the excuses never the answers
Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2017, 05:07:14 PM
It's a pity Mayo fans can't accept they were beaten by the better team. Far easier to blame the ref rather than blame David Clarke not being able to keep his head and find the extra man with his kick out.
Always with the excuses never the answers
Ah yes. The better team. So much better that they felt they had to cynically hold, pull down and drag their opposite numbers to prevent possession from a quick kick out. But I don't see that as the reason that we lost, nor do I blame Joe either, tho he was poor enough on the day but really didn't give either side an advantage. There were enough things directly within our own control that we didn't do well enough. Wides, kicks dropped short short, saved goal chance, Vaughan's rush of blood and yes, Clarke's last kick out. All of which if they'd been done better, or with a bit more composure we'd have won, by 2-3 points. But there's the difference. Dublin were more composed, we weren't. But the actions of the Dublin forwards at the end cancels out the positivity of that coolness and ability and shows they can just as cynical if not more so as any team out there. BTW I don't condone what Keegan did either.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2017, 05:07:14 PM
It's a pity Mayo fans can't accept they were beaten by the better team. Far easier to blame the ref rather than blame David Clarke not being able to keep his head and find the extra man with his kick out.
Always with the excuses never the answers
Not that it matters now, as a neutral thought Mayo were the better team on the day. Small margins win big games Rock scored the free, O Connor hit the post with his. Mayo were also guilty of missing some easy chances when they had their feet on Dublins throat.
It's a pity no evidence can connect Keggan with the GPS incident, he should have got a one year ban if proven guilty. The umpires and sideline officials should also have alerted the referee to the Dublin forwards man handling of the Mayo backs for the last kick-out, a number of black cards here and a few additional mins playing time, could act as a deterrent for teams who would engage in this manner in the future. Dublin are far from the only ones at this carry on, I seen my own Roscommon team verses Kerry in the league year before last at this carry on. It's a cancer in the game and it's up to the GAA to clean up.
If it could be proven, a year would be extremely harsh. What Keegan (allegedly) did was cynical, but no more so than other cynical play that was going on after Rock's point. The sanction should be no more or no less. It's not up there with actions that could potentially injure a player where such a long ban would be seen as appropriate. I do agree with you though that there is not enough deterrent under the rules as they stand to prevent this sort of behaviour being the norm. Nor is there the appetite within the higher ups to adopt a zero tolerance attitude to cynical play and give the backing and powers to officials to enforce it.
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Quote from: dublin7 on September 28, 2017, 05:07:14 PM
It's a pity Mayo fans can't accept they were beaten by the better team. Far easier to blame the ref rather than blame David Clarke not being able to keep his head and find the extra man with his kick out.
Always with the excuses never the answers
Not that it matters now, as a neutral thought Mayo were the better team on the day. Small margins win big games Rock scored the free, O Connor hit the post with his. Mayo were also guilty of missing some easy chances when they had their feet on Dublins throat.
It's a pity no evidence can connect Keggan with the GPS incident, he should have got a one year ban if proven guilty. The umpires and sideline officials should also have alerted the referee to the Dublin forwards man handling of the Mayo backs for the last kick-out, a number of black cards here and a few additional mins playing time, could act as a deterrent for teams who would engage in this manner in the future. Dublin are far from the only ones at this carry on, I seen my own Roscommon team verses Kerry in the league year before last at this carry on. It's a cancer in the game and it's up to the GAA to clean up.
I thought it was a game of two halves where Mayo was the best in the 1st half and Dublin the better team in the 2nd half. Of course Dublin were helped along in the 2nd half by that foolish sending off of Vaughan. Rock fluffed his lines on some of his frees in the 1st half it should be remembered. For as long as i can remember a win at all cost is very much part of the game whether we like it or not and the nice teams are normally left behind. While what Keegan did was wrong i think a year ban is a bit over the top.
Dublin are still a few years from reaching their peak they will win a number of more All Irelands. Worrying for Mayo with this latest final lost is the age profile and mileage on the clock of their key players. Could they have played much better than they did in that final and do they have more room for improvement in 2018?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
Utter nonsense.
O'Connor had a very late free to go ahead and Philly and Jonny did no such thing.
Rock's free wasn't the last kick. Still time for equalizer.
Defending what Keegan did is beyond me. It was pure stupid. The most likely outcome was the free being moved in to an unmissable position if the kick had been missed (regardless of whether the GPS caused the miss).
As for a ban, I think he should be punished to show what he did was unacceptable. But a 1 match ban would be sufficient.
Quoting players talking shite about the late black card etc is totally irrelvant. The fact of the matter was, the ref punished Dublin and allowed a retake and added time on. Clarke had an opportunity to take a kick out when Mayo had an extra man. All he needed was a smidgen of composure.
You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
He didn't give a free for two dublin players running into each other. He gave it for the foul committed directly after the dublin fella got back up.
It was probably a soft free for sure, but I'm sick of hearing people say it was for two dubs running into each other....IT WASNT.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
Utter nonsense.
O'Connor had a very late free to go ahead and Philly and Jonny did no such thing.
Rock's free wasn't the last kick. Still time for equalizer.
Defending what Keegan did is beyond me. It was pure stupid. The most likely outcome was the free being moved in to an unmissable position if the kick had been missed (regardless of whether the GPS caused the miss).
As for a ban, I think he should be punished to show what he did was unacceptable. But a 1 match ban would be sufficient.
Quoting players talking shite about the late black card etc is totally irrelvant. The fact of the matter was, the ref punished Dublin and allowed a retake and added time on. Clarke had an opportunity to take a kick out when Mayo had an extra man. All he needed was a smidgen of composure.
Something tells me you didn't quite get what I was saying! You got it arseways, my good man. If Cillian had taken the free and it had gone over, I'm sure the Mayo attack would have done the same thing as the Dub forwards.
It's bullshit to single out Keegan for what was an impulsive gesture when the collecive action of the Dubs in slowing down Clarke's kickout was far more cynical. And I am not too upset about this as it was a cynical, filthy game from beginning to end, with neither side smelling of roses. Asking Clarke to have composure with all that was happening around him and half his backs on their arses is a bit much.
There now, you got that? ;D
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Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
Utter nonsense.
O'Connor had a very late free to go ahead and Philly and Jonny did no such thing.
Rock's free wasn't the last kick. Still time for equalizer.
Defending what Keegan did is beyond me. It was pure stupid. The most likely outcome was the free being moved in to an unmissable position if the kick had been missed (regardless of whether the GPS caused the miss).
As for a ban, I think he should be punished to show what he did was unacceptable. But a 1 match ban would be sufficient.
Quoting players talking shite about the late black card etc is totally irrelvant. The fact of the matter was, the ref punished Dublin and allowed a retake and added time on. Clarke had an opportunity to take a kick out when Mayo had an extra man. All he needed was a smidgen of composure.
Something tells me you didn't quite get what I was saying! You got it arseways, my good man. If Cillian had taken the free and it had gone over, I'm sure the Mayo attack would have done the same thing as the Dub forwards.
It's bullshit to single out Keegan for what was an impulsive gesture when the collecive action of the Dubs in slowing down Clarke's kickout was far more cynical. And I am not too upset about this as it was a cynical, filthy game from beginning to end, with neither side smelling of roses. Asking Clarke to have composure with all that was happening around him and half his backs on their arses is a bit much.
There now, you got that? ;D
How impulsive is it to consider what can I do to put the freetaker off, to open the gps pack, to hold the unit in my hand until the kicker is almost ready to strike and then throw it at the ball/him?
Enough time to consider ones actions I would have thought? Not saying I wouldn't have done the same/similar in the same situation but lets call it for what it was.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
He didn't give a free for two dublin players running into each other. He gave it for the foul committed directly after the dublin fella got back up.
It was probably a soft free for sure, but I'm sick of hearing people say it was for two dubs running into each other....IT WASNT.
Ah, it was! But don't be sad! The Dublin player got disorientated and Joe helped him out.
Hey lads, let her go, both.
Majestic effort from Mayo, truly. Equally from the Dubs, with just that little bit extra. There will always be these minutiae to pore over, the raw difference between the gold and silver, but to what end, really?
Keep 'er lit, and some time, one time, those feckers will be called out for their last second shenanigans, but don't be betting on it! ;)
Wouldn't it be great if 2 clean innocent teams made the AI Final next year?
Last time that happened was 1998.
Probably 2038 before it happens again..... :-\
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2017, 11:53:36 PM
Wouldn't it be great if 2 clean innocent teams made the AI Final next year?
Last time that happened was 1998.
Probably 2038 before it happens again..... :-\
There wasn't much innocence about sledgers with limited footballing ability like Ray Silke.
I played several times on Ray Silks in college and challenge games would call him cocky and opinionated and one of the more moderate all Ireland winners but never once could I accuse him of sledging.............
That was a fair shite half back line only redeemed by the underrated Sean og
And sure who could forget the mighty Divilly......
Divilly served a purpose would be the kindest I could be, main contender for the no 6 shirt on weakest ever all Ireland winners
Sean og and Tom Mannion took them pair out of some tight spots
Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2017, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2017, 11:53:36 PM
Wouldn't it be great if 2 clean innocent teams made the AI Final next year?
Last time that happened was 1998.
Probably 2038 before it happens again..... :-\
There wasn't much innocence about sledgers with limited footballing ability like Ray Silke.
You see this is one of the reasons why you have a bad name - spouting absolute nonsense as if it were fact.
Can you explain why you refer to him as a sledger?
I would wager if you ask anybody who played on him if he was a sledger the answer would be a resounding no.
He was an average footballer but most certainly not a sledger.
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Quote from: Syferus on September 28, 2017, 11:54:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2017, 11:53:36 PM
Wouldn't it be great if 2 clean innocent teams made the AI Final next year?
Last time that happened was 1998.
Probably 2038 before it happens again..... :-\
There wasn't much innocence about sledgers with limited footballing ability like Ray Silke.
You see this is one of the reasons why you have a bad name - spouting absolute nonsense as if it were fact.
Can you explain why you refer to him as a sledger?
I would wager if you ask anybody who played on him if he was a sledger the answer would be a resounding no.
He was an average footballer but most certainly not a sledger.
as above I played on him many times, he was cocky and arrogant beyond his ability but never a sledger
Syfīn probably never saw him play even.
Quote from: Orchard park on September 29, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
I played several times on Ray Silks in college and challenge games would call him cocky and opinionated and one of the more moderate all Ireland winners but never once could I accuse him of sledging.............
That was a fair shite half back line only redeemed by the underrated Sean og
By 2001 it was a great half back line of Declan Meehan, Mannion, & Sean Og
I don't really believe there was any sledging. Maybe I wasn't good enough to be on the receiving end but I never experienced it at any level. Apart from the odd 'You'll never kick that' or 'Watch the post' when lining up a free.
one that was created by accident with Tom Mannion getting another hole opened at corner back in Tuam Vs Roscommon, was brought out to centre half in the qualifiers and rest is history.
one of the most underrated footballers outside of Galway
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 28, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
Utter nonsense.
O'Connor had a very late free to go ahead and Philly and Jonny did no such thing.
Rock's free wasn't the last kick. Still time for equalizer.
Defending what Keegan did is beyond me. It was pure stupid. The most likely outcome was the free being moved in to an unmissable position if the kick had been missed (regardless of whether the GPS caused the miss).
As for a ban, I think he should be punished to show what he did was unacceptable. But a 1 match ban would be sufficient.
Quoting players talking shite about the late black card etc is totally irrelvant. The fact of the matter was, the ref punished Dublin and allowed a retake and added time on. Clarke had an opportunity to take a kick out when Mayo had an extra man. All he needed was a smidgen of composure.
Something tells me you didn't quite get what I was saying! You got it arseways, my good man. If Cillian had taken the free and it had gone over, I'm sure the Mayo attack would have done the same thing as the Dub forwards.
It's bullshit to single out Keegan for what was an impulsive gesture when the collecive action of the Dubs in slowing down Clarke's kickout was far more cynical. And I am not too upset about this as it was a cynical, filthy game from beginning to end, with neither side smelling of roses. Asking Clarke to have composure with all that was happening around him and half his backs on their arses is a bit much.
There now, you got that? ;D
How impulsive is it to consider what can I do to put the freetaker off, to open the gps pack, to hold the unit in my hand until the kicker is almost ready to strike and then throw it at the ball/him?
Enough time to consider ones actions I would have thought? Not saying I wouldn't have done the same/similar in the same situation but lets call it for what it was.
You cannot be serious, right? ;D ;D
Did Leeroy intendto do this before the start of the game or even at any time until the free was awarded and Rock stepped up to take it? How the hell could he; he may be the best player around but he can't foretell the future.
I dunno how long it takes to slip a gps out of its pouch but my guess that it only takes seconds. Watching yet another All Ireland slipping away on him , would put any man under pressure.
Now, I've no problem with what h did being illegal but spare me the crap that he flung his unit at Rock/ and that this act was the lowest any one , including Charlie Redmond of all people, had seen.
What happened next was far, far worse and I don't thnk I saw the likes in a long, long time.
Nothing about the concerted decision by the Dub forwards to attack and hassle the Mayo forwards after fecking Clarke's tees way.
All I'masking that there should be a bit of balance here. And don't put the blame on Clarke'spoor kickout either./ Given what was happening out in front of him, he was some man to manage to kick the ball at all.
Don't forget that the normally ice cool Clucko made a donkey's collar oof of his kickouts in the first half when Mayo were winning most of them and he was under far less pressure that Clarke was at that time.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander and all that..
(And if you really want to know, I never saw any thing as low as what the Dubs' did to deny Mayo possession of the kick-out for a lot more than 25 years. I'd go back to the second test in South Africa in 1974. The Dubs Springboks were filthy hoors all through the tour and the Lions captain, Willie John McBride, got pissed off.
So going into the second test, he told his colleagues that whenever he shouted out "99," they were to turn on the nearest Springbok and flatten him, kick bite, loaf him, any thing that came to mind. Willie John knew the ref couldn't put them all off and is plan worked.'
Now if the Mayo forwards had met fire with fire and gave as good as they got, the result could have been very different. At the very least it couldn't be any worse. ;D)
Quote from: Orchard park on September 29, 2017, 10:09:22 AM
one that was created by accident with Tom Mannion getting another hole opened at corner back in Tuam Vs Roscommon, was brought out to centre half in the qualifiers and rest is history.
one of the most underrated footballers outside of Galway
Very true Orchard. He was excellent though at corner back on Martin Lynch in the '98 final - totally dominated him. Himself and Ja were huge losses by the time we got to Sept football in 2000.
excellent almost always, the day in Tuam was only day i ever saw him roasted but by God he came back in style that year.... a tough hard man in the best sense of the word, when Tom Mannion hit you you knew about it and to his credit there was always a ball present. a model back
This is hard to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48KbVIFEFnU
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 29, 2017, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: westbound on September 28, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 28, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 28, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 27, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
I've no doubt that if it was Cillian O'Connor who was taking that free, Jonny or Philly would do what Leeroy did, if they got the chance and I could see all the Mayo forwards manhandling the Dublin backs also.
Utter nonsense.
O'Connor had a very late free to go ahead and Philly and Jonny did no such thing.
Rock's free wasn't the last kick. Still time for equalizer.
Defending what Keegan did is beyond me. It was pure stupid. The most likely outcome was the free being moved in to an unmissable position if the kick had been missed (regardless of whether the GPS caused the miss).
As for a ban, I think he should be punished to show what he did was unacceptable. But a 1 match ban would be sufficient.
Quoting players talking shite about the late black card etc is totally irrelvant. The fact of the matter was, the ref punished Dublin and allowed a retake and added time on. Clarke had an opportunity to take a kick out when Mayo had an extra man. All he needed was a smidgen of composure.
Something tells me you didn't quite get what I was saying! You got it arseways, my good man. If Cillian had taken the free and it had gone over, I'm sure the Mayo attack would have done the same thing as the Dub forwards.
It's bullshit to single out Keegan for what was an impulsive gesture when the collecive action of the Dubs in slowing down Clarke's kickout was far more cynical. And I am not too upset about this as it was a cynical, filthy game from beginning to end, with neither side smelling of roses. Asking Clarke to have composure with all that was happening around him and half his backs on their arses is a bit much.
There now, you got that? ;D
How impulsive is it to consider what can I do to put the freetaker off, to open the gps pack, to hold the unit in my hand until the kicker is almost ready to strike and then throw it at the ball/him?
Enough time to consider ones actions I would have thought? Not saying I wouldn't have done the same/similar in the same situation but lets call it for what it was.
You cannot be serious, right? ;D ;D
Did Leeroy intendto do this before the start of the game or even at any time until the free was awarded and Rock stepped up to take it? How the hell could he; he may be the best player around but he can't foretell the future.
I dunno how long it takes to slip a gps out of its pouch but my guess that it only takes seconds. Watching yet another All Ireland slipping away on him , would put any man under pressure.
Now, I've no problem with what h did being illegal but spare me the crap that he flung his unit at Rock/ and that this act was the lowest any one , including Charlie Redmond of all people, had seen.
What happened next was far, far worse and I don't thnk I saw the likes in a long, long time.
Nothing about the concerted decision by the Dub forwards to attack and hassle the Mayo forwards after fecking Clarke's tees way.
All I'masking that there should be a bit of balance here. And don't put the blame on Clarke'spoor kickout either./ Given what was happening out in front of him, he was some man to manage to kick the ball at all.
Don't forget that the normally ice cool Clucko made a donkey's collar oof of his kickouts in the first half when Mayo were winning most of them and he was under far less pressure that Clarke was at that time.
Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander and all that..
(And if you really want to know, I never saw any thing as low as what the Dubs' did to deny Mayo possession of the kick-out for a lot more than 25 years. I'd go back to the second test in South Africa in 1974. The Dubs Springboks were filthy hoors all through the tour and the Lions captain, Willie John McBride, got pissed off.
So going into the second test, he told his colleagues that whenever he shouted out "99," they were to turn on the nearest Springbok and flatten him, kick bite, loaf him, any thing that came to mind. Willie John knew the ref couldn't put them all off and is plan worked.'
Now if the Mayo forwards had met fire with fire and gave as good as they got, the result could have been very different. At the very least it couldn't be any worse. ;D)
I'm not arguing with 99.99% of your post, but I just want to point out that I never said it was the lowest act I've ever seen.
I was only taking issue with your interpretation of impulsive.
Anyway, I was in cranky mood last night when I posted that, so if someone looked at me sideways I've have argued with them!!
Although, I would say that Vaughan's discretion was more impulsive than Keegan's. Keegan's was more calculated.
Anyway, aside from the specifics of the incidents, the entire spectacle of gaelic football is being ruined by cycnical/win at all costs indiscretions. But I don't blame the management or players for this. These indiscretions are facilitated by the gaa because the punishment for them is not a sufficient deterrent.
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Quote from: Orchard park on September 29, 2017, 10:09:22 AM
one that was created by accident with Tom Mannion getting another hole opened at corner back in Tuam Vs Roscommon, was brought out to centre half in the qualifiers and rest is history.
one of the most underrated footballers outside of Galway
Very true Orchard. He was excellent though at corner back on Martin Lynch in the '98 final - totally dominated him. Himself and Ja were huge losses by the time we got to Sept football in 2000.
Plus Kevin Walsh not fully fit, Galway were a better team during that period and its shame that Galway were nowhere near full strength during the final and the replay. I often wonder whether if they'd won it in 2000 if they'd have back the next year to beat Meath.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
You have to congratulate the Mayo supporters on how they've convinced themselves that the penultimate Clarke kickout was the final Clarke kickout. It's hillarious!
Very similar to how they convinced themselves that the only reason Keegan pulled down Connolly last year was because of Charlie Redmond and Paul Curran!
You should really re-watch the video. You'll love it. Apart from the bit where, for the FINAL kickout, Clarke missed the Mayo extra man, and kicked the ball straight over the sideline.
Quote from: Hound on September 29, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
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You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
You have to congratulate the Mayo supporters on how they've convinced themselves that the penultimate Clarke kickout was the final Clarke kickout. It's hillarious!
Very similar to how they convinced themselves that the only reason Keegan pulled down Connolly last year was because of Charlie Redmond and Paul Curran!
You should really re-watch the video. You'll love it. Apart from the bit where, for the FINAL kickout, Clarke missed the Mayo extra man, and kicked the ball straight over the sideline.
Of course it was not Clarkes last kick out. My apologies! Hope you have a nice evening!
My favourite part is watching the last few minutes on you tube with the mid west radio commentary. Green entertainment and I highly recommend it
Quote from: Hound on September 29, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2017, 08:10:08 PM
You have to congratulate Dublin on the way they just went into complete anarchy for the final Clarke kick out. There was no way Joe McQuillan was going to be able to deal with so many incidences and he was never going to Black more than one Dublin player with them playing on their home ground. The yellow card was a token jesture and as effective as a ashtray on a motorbike. In fairness, bar giving a free for two Dublin players running into to each other (I can now laugh at this given the healing powers of time) and bottling giving Lee Keegan a definite penalty. He did as well as a Referee with his limitations could do. He even give Mayo 2 minutes to run around the Dublin players playing piggy in the middle which helped a bit more in covering his ass as before the final whistle.
The shock and disgust on here about players involved in win at all costs amuses me. What games have you watched all your lives?
You have to congratulate the Mayo supporters on how they've convinced themselves that the penultimate Clarke kickout was the final Clarke kickout. It's hillarious!
Very similar to how they convinced themselves that the only reason Keegan pulled down Connolly last year was because of Charlie Redmond and Paul Curran!
You should really re-watch the video. You'll love it. Apart from the bit where, for the FINAL kickout, Clarke missed the Mayo extra man, and kicked the ball straight over the sideline.
I accept your felicitations in the spirit in which they were offered so sucks to you also! ;D
In actual play, neither Clarke nor anybody else involved, probably including Joe Mac, knew how much time was left. Without the benefit of a watch or the composure to look at it, he knew there was little or no time left.
Same applies to the Dublin forwards, who were even less inclined to play by the rules than Keegan was. The last kick out was even more pressurised and the fact that he misdirected it when he knew he couldn't find a back who wouldn't be dragged down again didn't help.
You should appreciate the pressure the goalie, the last line of defence, can be under when things are not going the way he planned.,
What about Steo in the first half when he found Mayo had copped on to his restarts and were winning most of them? He wasn't exactly ice cool, was he?
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This is hard to listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48KbVIFEFnU
COYBIB
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.
Quote from: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.
Well spotted. I was quite close to that incident.
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Quote from: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.
Well spotted. I was quite close to that incident.
I'm sure you are both right.
He just had to be appalled at the heinousness of Keegan's attempt to obstruct a free taker. Such behavious is strictly forbidden in Dublin circles, isn't it? And I suppose Costello removed Clarke's tee because it might be a danger to life and limb if it remained where it was. And he was also thoughtful enough to go and take Clarke's other tees and fecked them away also in case the wind blew them onto the pitch.
And the rest?
They just wished to communicate their shock and outrage at Keegan's ignoble act and inform their opponents that they would never sink to that base level.
Will ya get up the bleedin' yard, the pair of ya? ;D ;D
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Quote from: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.
Well spotted. I was quite close to that incident.
I'm sure you are both right.
He just had to be appalled at the heinousness of Keegan's attempt to obstruct a free taker. Such behavious is strictly forbidden in Dublin circles, isn't it? And I suppose Costello removed Clarke's tee because it might be a danger to life and limb if it remained where it was. And he was also thoughtful enough to go and take Clarke's other tees and fecked them away also in case the wind blew them onto the pitch.
And the rest?
They just wished to communicate their shock and outrage at Keegan's ignoble act and inform their opponents that they would never sink to that base level.
Will ya get up the bleedin' yard, the pair of ya? ;D ;D
When COC was taking his free kick in injury time I don't remember anything getting thrown at him. It's amazing how all Mayo fans seem to think any player would do this when NO ONE has ever done it before.
The cynicism in the SECOND last kick out from the dublin players is common throughout the GAA and while not right it is something any player would do. At least Clarke got to have another go, but I'm sure that it was Dublin's fault he kicked it over the sideline as well
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
Who were the 3 Mayo players that were wrestled to the ground in the last few minutes per Paul Kimmage ?
The AIF this year left a very bad taste.
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Quote from: randomusername on September 30, 2017, 04:42:39 PM
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.
Well spotted. I was quite close to that incident.
I'm sure you are both right.
He just had to be appalled at the heinousness of Keegan's attempt to obstruct a free taker. Such behavious is strictly forbidden in Dublin circles, isn't it? And I suppose Costello removed Clarke's tee because it might be a danger to life and limb if it remained where it was. And he was also thoughtful enough to go and take Clarke's other tees and fecked them away also in case the wind blew them onto the pitch.
And the rest?
They just wished to communicate their shock and outrage at Keegan's ignoble act and inform their opponents that they would never sink to that base level.
Will ya get up the bleedin' yard, the pair of ya? ;D ;D
When COC was taking his free kick in injury time I don't remember anything getting thrown at him. It's amazing how all Mayo fans seem to think any player would do this when NO ONE has ever done it before.
The cynicism in the SECOND last kick out from the dublin players is common throughout the GAA and while not right it is something any player would do. At least Clarke got to have another go, but I'm sure that it was Dublin's fault he kicked it over the sideline as well
You got it in one brother. ;D
That's all I was attempting to highlight. What Keegan, Costello, Kilkenny and just about everyone else on the field would stop at nothing to win that game.
Concentrating on Keegan while ignoring what the opposition was up to is a bit unfair, isn't it?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
You got it in one brother. ;D
That's all I was attempting to highlight. What Keegan, Costello, Kilkenny and just about everyone else on the field would stop at nothing to win that game.
Concentrating on Keegan while ignoring what the opposition was up to is a bit unfair, isn't it?
I dunno. Taken as a whole, there seems to be far more attention on what the Dublin players were up to at the end of the game, than what Lee Keegan did. Listening to radio coverage (Off The Ball, Paul Kimmage creating a big stink, Eamon Dunphy weighing in etc) and reading the print media, there seems to be a lot more focus on Dublin's cynicism that Lee Keegans throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. Dublin winning the three in a row seems to have been forgotten about, in a rush to tar and feather them for deeds that were were just as cynical as those that Mayo engaged in back in 2012, when they needed to do what was needed to close out a win over Dublin. The fact that Lee Keegan did something so cynical and sneaky (not to mention being very, very unbecoming of the reigning Footballer of The Year) is getting mentioned as a mere after thought, if it gets mentioned at all. Charlie Redmond had a bit of a go, but it never gathered half as much steam as the media crusade that Paul Kimmage is going on.
When you mention Keegan's and Costello's deeds to a Mayo or Dublin fan, they are quick to play the whataboutery game. It would be nice to see both of them admit that what happened was very bad sportsmanship on both sides and leave it at that. No excuses of "
you do what you have to do, to win the game" or "
if I was in his place, I'd do the very same thing." Just have the honesty to admit that it was what it was and stop playing the victim card. Leave the outraged sanctimony at being accused of not being as pure as the driven snow, at the door. No one is buying it anymore.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
I think ye are totally missing the point
Most Mayo fans I know have moved on from the All Ireland final and cannot wait for 2018. We know the limitations we had as to why we didn't get over the line this year and hope we can address them in 2018
No doubt what Lee Keegan did was cynical and could have been very costly if the referee had seen it. Although it wasn't the most difficult kick in the world for Rock, if it had been moved in it would have been a cert. It definitely isn't something anyone wants to see in the game no matter if an All Ireland is at stake or the first round of a club championship. But the thing is there are rules to stop it.
Trying to say that Dublin players wouldn't do the same is just nonsense. Philly McMahon, a man who is known to engage in any dark art to win a game has already said he would have thrown his jersey at Rock if he thought it would be an advantage. He probably didn't do it to Cillian O'Connor because he presumed if caught it would only be making the free easier.
But the whole debate about the way Dublin finished the game is another topic altogether. If Cillian O'Connor had put that free over, id expect the Mayo players to do the exact same thing as Dublin did and if we won an All Ireland I'd have no problem sucking up the flak that came with it. I know full well it wouldn't be right but sure fcuk it "you do what you have to do"
So why are Dublin so upset now when called out on it. Grand you do what you have to do to win the game but surely you have to accept the stick that comes with it. Dublin supporters are the first on the high horse when another team does something like this. You still hear some of them harping on about 2012 semi but in the 2013 final it was all the referees fault. The 5 All Ireland's aren't enough. We must accept they are the greatest team ever, they have the greatest individual footballers ever, they play the greatest brand of football ever and of course they wouldn't even dream as stooping so low as to engage in the type of cynical football others engage in. They don't like any media coverage that may suggest different.
A black card was brought in to deal with this kind of thing and it obviously doesn't work. Despite Sean Cavanagh getting the blame the black card was introduced after the 2012 semi and the 2013 final. People shrugged their shoulders at the end of these games and said the same as they are saying now. "You do what you have to do". A half arsed effort was brought in to deal with but as this years final shows it was pointless.
So we are at a stage that we just accept that this is part of the game or do we deal with it by bringing in new rules to stop it. It looks like a lot of people want to bury their head in the sand and get on with it. That's all fine and well until the day the roles are reversed and you come out of the game shaking your in frustration that such a great game can end up in such a farce because rules aren't there or aren't been enforced to stop it happening.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
Always ready to stick the boot in as per usual.
Quote from: criostlinn on October 02, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
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I think ye are totally missing the point
Most Mayo fans I know have moved on from the All Ireland final and cannot wait for 2018. We know the limitations we had as to why we didn't get over the line this year and hope we can address them in 2018
No doubt what Lee Keegan did was cynical and could have been very costly if the referee had seen it. Although it wasn't the most difficult kick in the world for Rock, if it had been moved in it would have been a cert. It definitely isn't something anyone wants to see in the game no matter if an All Ireland is at stake or the first round of a club championship. But the thing is there are rules to stop it.
Trying to say that Dublin players wouldn't do the same is just nonsense. Philly McMahon, a man who is known to engage in any dark art to win a game has already said he would have thrown his jersey at Rock if he thought it would be an advantage. He probably didn't do it to Cillian O'Connor because he presumed if caught it would only be making the free easier.
But the whole debate about the way Dublin finished the game is another topic altogether. If Cillian O'Connor had put that free over, id expect the Mayo players to do the exact same thing as Dublin did and if we won an All Ireland I'd have no problem sucking up the flak that came with it. I know full well it wouldn't be right but sure fcuk it "you do what you have to do"
So why are Dublin so upset now when called out on it. Grand you do what you have to do to win the game but surely you have to accept the stick that comes with it. Dublin supporters are the first on the high horse when another team does something like this. You still hear some of them harping on about 2012 semi but in the 2013 final it was all the referees fault. The 5 All Ireland's aren't enough. We must accept they are the greatest team ever, they have the greatest individual footballers ever, they play the greatest brand of football ever and of course they wouldn't even dream as stooping so low as to engage in the type of cynical football others engage in. They don't like any media coverage that may suggest different.
A black card was brought in to deal with this kind of thing and it obviously doesn't work. Despite Sean Cavanagh getting the blame the black card was introduced after the 2012 semi and the 2013 final. People shrugged their shoulders at the end of these games and said the same as they are saying now. "You do what you have to do". A half arsed effort was brought in to deal with but as this years final shows it was pointless.
So we are at a stage that we just accept that this is part of the game or do we deal with it by bringing in new rules to stop it. It looks like a lot of people want to bury their head in the sand and get on with it. That's all fine and well until the day the roles are reversed and you come out of the game shaking your in frustration that such a great game can end up in such a farce because rules aren't there or aren't been enforced to stop it happening.
Well said. Mayo people aren't crying about the final - we've accepted we lost, no problem there.
Dublin just need to be able to accept their team are as cynical as Mayo and everyone else. Just because they won doesn't mean they are without sin and can be absolved of all wrong doings. Mayo would probably have done the same thing in the same position, and I'd be happy if they had.
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
You got it in one brother. ;D
That's all I was attempting to highlight. What Keegan, Costello, Kilkenny and just about everyone else on the field would stop at nothing to win that game.
Concentrating on Keegan while ignoring what the opposition was up to is a bit unfair, isn't it?
I dunno. Taken as a whole, there seems to be far more attention on what the Dublin players were up to at the end of the game, than what Lee Keegan did. Listening to radio coverage (Off The Ball, Paul Kimmage creating a big stink, Eamon Dunphy weighing in etc) and reading the print media, there seems to be a lot more focus on Dublin's cynicism that Lee Keegans throwing his GPS at Dean Rock. Dublin winning the three in a row seems to have been forgotten about, in a rush to tar and feather them for deeds that were were just as cynical as those that Mayo engaged in back in 2012, when they needed to do what was needed to close out a win over Dublin. The fact that Lee Keegan did something so cynical and sneaky (not to mention being very, very unbecoming of the reigning Footballer of The Year) is getting mentioned as a mere after thought, if it gets mentioned at all. Charlie Redmond had a bit of a go, but it never gathered half as much steam as the media crusade that Paul Kimmage is going on.
When you mention Keegan's and Costello's deeds to a Mayo or Dublin fan, they are quick to play the whataboutery game. It would be nice to see both of them admit that what happened was very bad sportsmanship on both sides and leave it at that. No excuses of "you do what you have to do, to win the game" or " if I was in his place, I'd do the very same thing." Just have the honesty to admit that it was what it was and stop playing the victim card. Leave the outraged sanctimony at being accused of not being as pure as the driven snow, at the door. No one is buying it anymore.
Well, one thing I can't be accused of is "outraged sanctimony." I made it clear right from the end of the game that both sides were each as cynical as the other.
You may feel that the media is concentrating too much on what a number of Dublin players did towards the end of the game and ignoring Leeroy's transgression.
I actually think that you are right on that one - right now. But that was not, definitely not, the case n the aftermath of the game. Social media was full of abuse for Keegan and there was little or no criticism of Kilkenny, Costello, Rock and the rest.
I also don't see every, or indeed any, Mayo poster here backing what Keegan did, without at least putting it in context.
I have a habit of looking around me when play is at one end, if you follow me.
If the action is at one end, I'll take a quick look down the field. This can be very instructive when I take my eye off the ball.
In my considered opinion both teams spent a lot of time, niggllng, pushing and apparently sledging away happily.
Fact is that all inter county teams are driven to this by the relentless pressure to win and win at all costs. You can thank us all, the general public, for this.
Don't point talking crap about teams resorting to blanket defenses either. Managers will pile everyone into the large square for the duration of the game, if needs be.
It's easy to talk about Dublin's free flowing attractive football and wonder why every other teams don't do the same. FFS, they can't because they don't have the players or the S&C facilities etc. to do this.
Anyone talking about star players acting as role models for kids is away with the fairies. I don't like it but I can't do anything about it.
My estimate is that it will take the best part of a million to prepare any team to the stage that they can give the Dubs a run for their money so they have to resort to spoiler tactics and hope to score on quick breakaways. Bit like soccer tactics at times.
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That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
Always ready to stick the boot in as per usual.
Yeah, there we go. Focus on me rather than the point at hand.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
Always ready to stick the boot in as per usual.
Yeah, there we go. Focus on me rather than the point at hand.
I don't consider it a point, just a trite inane comment that gives you the opportunity to weigh in.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
Always ready to stick the boot in as per usual.
Yeah, there we go. Focus on me rather than the point at hand.
I don't consider it a point, just a trite inane comment that gives you the opportunity to weigh in.
Therein lies the problem.
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Quote from: TheGreatest on October 02, 2017, 09:03:14 AM
That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
Always ready to stick the boot in as per usual.
Yeah, there we go. Focus on me rather than the point at hand.
I don't consider it a point, just a trite inane comment that gives you the opportunity to weigh in.
Therein lies the problem.
It's a problem alright when people throw out handy one-liners with no basis in fact to suit their own negative agenda.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 12:09:59 PM
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That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
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Indeed Seanie, that's news to me. Maybe you'd list a few of them.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 02, 2017, 07:51:29 PM
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That's Mayo's biggest issue, blame everyone and everything but themselves. Sad really.
That has always been their problem. The lost many All Ireland's to teams much worse that Dublin.
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Indeed Seanie, that's news to me. Maybe you'd list a few of them.
With pleasure.
Meath 1996.
Kerry 1997.
Cork 1989.
Donegal 2012.
I'd personally be of the opinion that this Dublin team (2013/2016/2017) are probably better than Kerry of 2004/2006 but I accept it's debatable.
Magpie Sean 4, lar na pairce 0
Lár, are you not old enough to know not to engage with the clowns still hanging around in here ffs?
The match is over a fortnight now, time to move on
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 02, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Lár, are you not old enough to know not to engage with the clowns still hanging around in here ffs?
The match is over a fortnight now, time to move on
You're here too.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on October 02, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Lár, are you not old enough to know not to engage with the clowns still hanging around in here ffs?
The match is over a fortnight now, time to move on
You're here too.
Ah, don't mind the detractors, Seanie, they'll always be with us.
But, while I happen to know the years we were beaten and by whom, I still don't know how blaming everybody, except ourselves, lost us so many All Irelands.
That's what the biggest troll on the board claimed and you agreed with him . As I wouldn't bother me posterior engaging with him, I'm asking you how did the fans' behaviour cause Mayo to lose any All Ireland?
I'll clarify what I meant. I meant Mayo didn't learn from their mistakes. Team and supporters alike because you cannot separate them, much and all as coaches would like to. Especially in a football daft county like Mayo. To me it seemed they focussed on things like Pat McEnaney singling out poor Liam McHale and seemed to me to believe "it'll be our turn eventually" rather than making damned sure it would be. That tactical ruthlessness that Kerry and Dublin have shown over the years has not been in evidence from Mayo (until this year perhaps). Over the years they've persisted with forwards who consistently missed or refused to shoot under pressure. They talk themselves up rather than playing it cool. Even O'Connor on the frees - he gets lots of scores for ye but when I said earlier in the year that he missed a few crucial ones I was lambasted. Rock missed frees in the club final and it drove him on to be the best freetaker in the game. He worked at it and undoubtedly improved. He missed that difficult free at the end of the league final and from his comments after the AIF it still bothers him and he made sure it didn't happen again. COC has missed a succession of crucial frees from the same spot. I can't say for definite but I'd wonder - has he done as much as Rock to eradicate the misses? Have the management analysed it enough?
This might sound harsh and people can write it off as me having a go at kicking ye when yer down - it's not meant to be that. Things are a lot tighter in the last few years but there's no way ye should have lost to Meath in 1996 for example. Ye came back the following year against a shaky enough Kerry outfit and let Maurice run riot on Pat Holmes.
I've probably said too much and will get killed for it.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 11:12:24 PM
I'll clarify what I meant. I meant Mayo didn't learn from their mistakes. Team and supporters alike because you cannot separate them, much and all as coaches would like to. Especially in a football daft county like Mayo. To me it seemed they focussed on things like Pat McEnaney singling out poor Liam McHale and seemed to me to believe "it'll be our turn eventually" rather than making damned sure it would be. That tactical ruthlessness that Kerry and Dublin have shown over the years has not been in evidence from Mayo (until this year perhaps). Over the years they've persisted with forwards who consistently missed or refused to shoot under pressure. They talk themselves up rather than playing it cool. Even O'Connor on the frees - he gets lots of scores for ye but when I said earlier in the year that he missed a few crucial ones I was lambasted. Rock missed frees in the club final and it drove him on to be the best freetaker in the game. He worked at it and undoubtedly improved. He missed that difficult free at the end of the league final and from his comments after the AIF it still bothers him and he made sure it didn't happen again. COC has missed a succession of crucial frees from the same spot. I can't say for definite but I'd wonder - has he done as much as Rock to eradicate the misses? Have the management analysed it enough?
This might sound harsh and people can write it off as me having a go at kicking ye when yer down - it's not meant to be that. Things are a lot tighter in the last few years but there's no way ye should have lost to Meath in 1996 for example. Ye came back the following year against a shaky enough Kerry outfit and let Maurice run riot on Pat Holmes.
I've probably said too much and will get killed for it.
No problem at all when you put it that way. Good post.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/no-knee-jerk-reaction-to-all-ireland-football-final-cynicism-460077.html
Quote from: Rossfan on October 03, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/no-knee-jerk-reaction-to-all-ireland-football-final-cynicism-460077.html
Passing the ball back to the goalie is not acceptable. Surely they could do something about that. I presume the PTB don't want to draw any attention to the Dubs.