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[is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?]

Can we start painting the bales of silage green and red yet and is it too soon to start selling the justice for Connor Gormley t-shirts?

Keep up - Philomena Begley has already released a song about it.

First Cavanagh, then Harte and Gormley. Now they're even having a go at the 'Queen of the Silver Dollar'. Is nothing sacred anymore? Mickey Harte's motivational speech will be easy!

Thanks a million for the replies  - looking forward to hearing what JB has to say!

As a Newbie to both the GAA board and to Twitter I was hoping that fellow members could point me in the right direction for the very best GAA related tweets to follow - or anything else of a comic or Irish nature. Thanks in anticipation!

I watched it again Main Street. What happened is Gormely shoved Mone's arms away, and his hand flew back into his own face. And I was sure that Gormley had punched him.

For the second one, it is harder to see, and certainly Penrose came around from the back, and punched/pushed at Mone but it certainly looked like his shoulder on TV. However, he may have hit him in the face as well, hard to see. Penrose was daft to do it.

In hindsight though, given the way Mone reacted to Penrose's strike, I'd be amazed if he didn't do at least the same thing when Gormley was involved if he felt Gormley punched him.

AZ - there's two incidents

There's the Penrose one



And there's the Gormley one

Both attempted strikes (at the minimum), both red card offences as per rule 5.1. Sin é.

My big brothers used to do this to me - 'Stop punching yourself Dessie.' Could Dessie have been sent off for attempting to punch himself?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_EjyFFb9u0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Just after saying he has never been cynically fouled in his career. 2.15 into the clip above cyncially fouled when clean through on goal. Still refusing to apologise and still a hypocrite.

Also hauled down at 8.18

Girl to me whilst giving her a lift to Donegal: Why do some of those trees in the fields have little fences built around them?

Me to girl: They're roaming pines. The farmers fence them in to stop them from moving all over the field.

Girl (deadly serious)  Wow, I've never seen those before!

End of Conversation. She wasn't even blonde!

WTF!!

[I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match]

Don't know who I'd rather progress.

Would normally shout for  Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading  the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.

Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games.  2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.

You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .

Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.

I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.

Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.

God, have you not learned anything yet? League form counts for nothing! League games count for nothing! When Kerry were HAMMERING us in AI finals in 2004 and 2006. We beat them handy in Castlebar or Tralee in the league. We'd think to ourselves we were progressing. But Kerry were on a Go Slow! There is nothing you will get out of the league game last spring, there will be different personnel and players at different conditioning.

Please identify where I said league form would have a bearing on the outcome of this game? I used the example of the league game to highlight the fact that Mayo can sometimes lose games when they appear to be in the driving seat. I refer to this game only because it's the most recent example I witnessed first hand.

I laughed my nuts off when his slightly pensive face appeared and the hill booed! Hilarious and the hill were brilliant as usual

Forget about the rugby tackle. How does he get away with cheating every time he does that shimmy. He takes at least 8 steps every time he does  it but none of the pundits or refs have picked up on it. He's a great player and exciting to watch but he wouldn't be half as good if he was restricted to playing within the rules like other players.

Ridiculous post.

Don't know who I'd rather progress.

Would normally shout for  Ulster team due to being sick of listening and reading  the usual anti Ulster crap that gets turned out every year in the championship but Kavanagh'a rugby Leauge tackle was ugly to watch.
No problem with Tyrone being cynical, every team is if their fan's are 100% honest that includes Mayo.

Tyrone are fading in games with 20mins to go that's partly due to the sheer volume of games.  2 weeks off might be the answer to fatigue. It would still be hard to back them with money here though.

You'd expect Mayo to progress as they've taken the direct route and are on a carbon copy of the mission Donegal were on last year but I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone at home in the Leauge as well but their shooting was awfull .

Mayo will win if they don't hit endless wides . If they do , then Tyrone will progress.
Mayo's to lose I think.

I was at the Tyrone v Mayo league match and agree that Mayo had sufficient possession and attempts on goal to have won that game - as you've said it was 'Mayo's to lose', AND THEY DID. Going on current form they have to be regarded as firm favourites but Mayo do have an unfortunate habit of losing games like this and Tyrone keep churning out workmanlike victories when they're up against it. I think it'll be an awful lot closer than people think and as we get closer to the 25th you'll find that this weekend will have been forgotten and fans, analysts and punters will be more cautious in their predictions. I'd like to see a Dublin v Mayo final but wouldn't rule out Tyrone or Kerry at this stage.

Either way, it'll be nice to put this weekend behind us and move on to talking about football again rather than massaging Joe's ego.

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When the kids go to bed this evening I may get a chance to sit and watch the game on TV! In the stadium on Saturday Cavanagh was really strong in the first 30 minutes - up to and including Darren Hughes' booking. I honestly didn't feel it marked a sea-change in the game. I'll come back and apologise if it turns out I was wrong on that one!
Like you, I have been on both sides of that kind of tackle (Cavanagh on McManus) and I never acknowledged it as 'cheating'. A forward grabbing my shirt or jersey, falling and simulating a foul is cheating in my opinion as there is a deliberate attempt to con the referee - I'll look closely at the Cavanagh/Hughes incident and see but in real time it looked like Cavanagh fell as a result of Hughes' attempts to win the ball. I believe the ref just got that one wrong.
By the way, I was watching the games as a complete neutral at the weekend and the Tyrone v Monaghan game was by far and away the most exciting encounter. Cork, Donegal and Cavan were all pretty well beaten. Dublin were really wasteful in front of goal and could have been out of sight by halftime.

[Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

I don't think anyone, including Tyrone fans, have an issue with the nature of the tackle but this kind of tackle has been part and parcel of our game for decades. The issue is the tone of Joe Brolly's attack. He made it very personal - just like he did on Conor Counihan and Paul Grimley. I was at all 4 games at the weekend and cynical fouling was rife throughout. Players were constantly been prevented from making supporting runs with two hands into the chest area. Peter Harte was late tackled on 6 occasions. Bernard Brogan, who had a poor game all round, drew fouls by 'being cute', and the victim of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle conned the referee on at least two occasions by grabbing McCarron's shirt and falling to the ground - Monaghan's first score came from this - McManus laughed in McCarron's face after he scored the resultant free and McCarron was later booked for repetitive fouling . Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.

He didn't con the ref when he grabbed Darren Hughes arm, fell, won a free, Darren Hughes booked, resulting free scored.  He cheated twice in 2 key moments of the game which had potentially a major bearing on the outcome yet you say he didn't attempt in any way to con the ref?  None so blind as those who refuse to see

I was clearly referring to the 'rugby tackle' incident. You're being obtuse. My point is that we are hung up on one incident and playing fiddle to Joe Brolly's ego when cynical football is widespread throughout the length and breadth of Ireland and is by no means restricted to Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone. The Darren Hughes incident was just bad refereeing and in my opinion had little impact on the outcome - he was struggling with Sean Cavanagh up to that point and I doubt that any player would keep him quiet in his current form. Aiden O'Shea could be the man however!

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

I don't think anyone, including Tyrone fans, have an issue with the nature of the tackle but this kind of tackle has been part and parcel of our game for decades. The issue is the tone of Joe Brolly's attack. He made it very personal - just like he did on Conor Counihan and Paul Grimley. I was at all 4 games at the weekend and cynical fouling was rife throughout. Players were constantly been prevented from making supporting runs with two hands into the chest area. Peter Harte was late tackled on 6 occasions. Bernard Brogan, who had a poor game all round, drew fouls by 'being cute', and the victim of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle conned the referee on at least two occasions by grabbing McCarron's shirt and falling to the ground - Monaghan's first score came from this - McManus laughed in McCarron's face after he scored the resultant free and McCarron was later booked for repetitive fouling . Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.

This is the third or fourth very personal and vitriolic attack that Brolly has made in the last few months. The personal nature of his comments towards Paul Grimley after Armagh's defeat by Cavan and his constant criticism of Conor Counihan and his tactics as Cork manager are further examples of the fact that he is getting away with using a public broadcaster to air personal grievances.
I enjoy watching him as he adds a bit of life to a very 'grey' panel but it isn't acceptable for a so called critic of amature sportsmen to attack indiivduals personally. By all means, have a go at Armagh, Cork and Tyrone tactics but don't attack individuals!
Mickey Harte and many Tyrone people are already embroiled (and rightfully so) in a kind of RTE boycott and I feel that this incident will embitter them further. Don't be surprised if there is a complete boycott of RTE as a result.

It's about time Brolly was publically disciplined by RTE - even Spillane and O'Rourke - while demonstrating a great deal of discomfort, didn't intervene and they really should have. Only the listless Lister defended Cavanagh and had the last word.

The folded arms and petulant snarl on his face really did remind me of 'the child in the playground' that Paul Grimley described him as.

The disappointing thing is, there is a very important debate about so called cynical fouling, and Joe 'the entertainer' has hijacked that and made it all about him.

Joe Must Go