Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[dublin7]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

Why do some of the northern posters keep claiming FF/FG don't want/are afraid/against a border poll? It has no basis in reality and makes no sense.

Outside of SF none of the political parties in the south ever bring up or have released their policies on a united Ireland as the electorate in the south don't see this as even remotely relevant and it won't be happening anytime soon.

Until SF publish their policy (as the only political party who are calling for for a poll) to force FG/FF to take a position no one knows what the rest of the political parties in the south will do

[Rossfan]

But SF can't do that as one of their spokesmen on this Board said FF and FG would criticise the plans

[6th sam]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

Why do some of the northern posters keep claiming FF/FG don't want/are afraid/against a border poll? It has no basis in reality and makes no sense.

Outside of SF none of the political parties in the south ever bring up or have released their policies on a united Ireland as the electorate in the south don't see this as even remotely relevant and it won't be happening anytime soon.

Until SF publish their policy (as the only political party who are calling for for a poll) to force FG/FF to take a position no one knows what the rest of the political parties in the south will do

Are you serious?
I have no party political alignment, but I've seen you
roundly criticise SF at every juncture, yet you're waiting for them to lead the two parties who have shared power between them since the foundation of the state .
I think it's sad (and a major barrier to progress) when those from the 26 counties who are proud of their republic, have no interest or empathy for fellow republicans up North whose ancestors helped the formation of that republic, but were left to paddle their own canoe in a sectarian anti-Irish state.
Maybe  it's a case of Mé Féiners against Sinn Féiners?

[dublin7]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

Why do some of the northern posters keep claiming FF/FG don't want/are afraid/against a border poll? It has no basis in reality and makes no sense.

Outside of SF none of the political parties in the south ever bring up or have released their policies on a united Ireland as the electorate in the south don't see this as even remotely relevant and it won't be happening anytime soon.

Until SF publish their policy (as the only political party who are calling for for a poll) to force FG/FF to take a position no one knows what the rest of the political parties in the south will do

Are you serious?
I have no party political alignment, but I've seen you
roundly criticise SF at every juncture, yet you're waiting for them to lead the two parties who have shared power between them since the foundation of the state .
I think it's sad (and a major barrier to progress) when those from the 26 counties who are proud of their republic, have no interest or empathy for fellow republicans up North whose ancestors helped the formation of that republic, but were left to paddle their own canoe in a sectarian anti-Irish state.
Maybe  it's a case of Mé Féiners against Sinn Féiners?

I'm simply pointing out in the south a united Ireland is not a political issue or something the vast majority care about. That's not because of some crazy FF/FG conspiracy or agenda, but because for most of the people a united Ireland is something they'd like in theory. Issues like the economy, health service, housing etc are way way more important to them than some idealogical point. You consider it sad, but that's the way it is.

What exactly are people like me in the south doing to put a barrier to a united Ireland? Surely it's up to the people in NI to decide that for themselves or force the issue?

[tonto1888]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

You strike me as a bot yourself

[6th sam]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

Why do some of the northern posters keep claiming FF/FG don't want/are afraid/against a border poll? It has no basis in reality and makes no sense.

Outside of SF none of the political parties in the south ever bring up or have released their policies on a united Ireland as the electorate in the south don't see this as even remotely relevant and it won't be happening anytime soon.

Until SF publish their policy (as the only political party who are calling for for a poll) to force FG/FF to take a position no one knows what the rest of the political parties in the south will do

Are you serious?
I have no party political alignment, but I've seen you
roundly criticise SF at every juncture, yet you're waiting for them to lead the two parties who have shared power between them since the foundation of the state .
I think it's sad (and a major barrier to progress) when those from the 26 counties who are proud of their republic, have no interest or empathy for fellow republicans up North whose ancestors helped the formation of that republic, but were left to paddle their own canoe in a sectarian anti-Irish state.
Maybe  it's a case of Mé Féiners against Sinn Féiners?

I'm simply pointing out in the south a united Ireland is not a political issue or something the vast majority care about. That's not because of some crazy FF/FG conspiracy or agenda, but because for most of the people a united Ireland is something they'd like in theory. Issues like the economy, health service, housing etc are way way more important to them than some idealogical point. You consider it sad, but that's the way it is.

What exactly are people like me in the south doing to put a barrier to a united Ireland? Surely it's up to the people in NI to decide that for themselves or force the issue?

Thanks for the clarity D7 and Tbf , owning the "Mé Féin" attitude, I find it sad but respect it . I'll explain why that's a barrier to progress. Republicans in the South have lived in their republic since 1921, their republican allies north of the border have endured a sectarian based state in that time. More recently we have been "ruled" by one of the most regressive far-right parties in Europe. The contribution of many in the south ( usually for party political reasons ) is to target SF and espouse an attitude of "you're all the same up there, sort it out amongst yourselves", therefore effectively helping to cement DUP dominance . This attitude is represented by the lack of rapport , disdain , and hypocritical judgement displayed by Ryan Tubridy towards , a very impressive and fair MON on Friday night past. Rather than "pinching your nose" and looking down on Northern republicans, try to appreciate where we come from...walk a mile in the shoes of your fellow countrymen. Even a partitionist can envisage how much more effective we could be as an island in the absence of conflict and a culture of respect and rapport for all. Many of us in the North have great friends who are unionist and respect them. We're not a cantankerous rabble, we're a resilient people ( on both sides) and could contribute enormously to a new Ireland. People like me have a strong affinity with ROI, and yet we are treated as pariahs by many in the South , and that D7 is a barrier to progress. Hopefully you can learn from most ROI posters on this board in appreciating where we are coming from.

[dublin7]

Clearly a united Ireland would be ideal, but it's not going to happen in the short to medium term. That's not anyones fault in the south (politicians or general public) If people in NI want to force a border poll than they should get support from the people and political parties in the south, not expect them to raise it on their behalf. Until SF actually come out and call for a poll (no other party is going to) this issue will continue to be irrelevant come elections in the south for the politicans and the electorate.

I actually think a United Ireland is as far away now as it has ever been. With Brexit, Bobby Storey funeral, unionist riots both sides of the communities seem more divided than ever and to get a border poll passed you'll need to convince a significant number of Unionists that's a good thing. With the bitterness and hostility between SF and the DUP thats not going to happen.

It'll be up to more moderate parties like the SDLP to try and see things from both sides and come to an agreement that gives enough people on both sides what they want to have any hope of passing a border poll as compromise isn't something the DUP/SF seems willing to do for each other

[6th sam]

Clearly a united Ireland would be ideal, but it's not going to happen in the short to medium term. That's not anyones fault in the south (politicians or general public) If people in NI want to force a border poll than they should get support from the people and political parties in the south, not expect them to raise it on their behalf. Until SF actually come out and call for a poll (no other party is going to) this issue will continue to be irrelevant come elections in the south for the politicans and the electorate.

I actually think a United Ireland is as far away now as it has ever been. With Brexit, Bobby Storey funeral, unionist riots both sides of the communities seem more divided than ever and to get a border poll passed you'll need to convince a significant number of Unionists that's a good thing. With the bitterness and hostility between SF and the DUP thats not going to happen.

It'll be up to more moderate parties like the SDLP to try and see things from both sides and come to an agreement that gives enough people on both sides what they want to have any hope of passing a border poll as compromise isn't something the DUP/SF seems willing to do for each other

Interesting view of things, though overly simplistic and lacking insight into the actual realities up North. Most republicans I know do not feel now is the right time for a border poll  ( MON indicated this on Friday) . However everyone on this island needs to grow up and have mature discussions on the future. John Hume uniquely put party political considerations aside fir the good of all , oh for another leader on this island naive enough to put people before politics🤦🏻‍♂️

[Main Street]

"pbat" was going well with a very sensible post but let's himself down with the "FFG" botism

Why do some of the northern posters keep claiming FF/FG don't want/are afraid/against a border poll? It has no basis in reality and makes no sense.

Outside of SF none of the political parties in the south ever bring up or have released their policies on a united Ireland as the electorate in the south don't see this as even remotely relevant and it won't be happening anytime soon.

Until SF publish their policy (as the only political party who are calling for for a poll) to force FG/FF to take a position no one knows what the rest of the political parties in the south will do

Are you serious?
I have no party political alignment, but I've seen you
roundly criticise SF at every juncture, yet you're waiting for them to lead the two parties who have shared power between them since the foundation of the state .
I think it's sad (and a major barrier to progress) when those from the 26 counties who are proud of their republic, have no interest or empathy for fellow republicans up North whose ancestors helped the formation of that republic, but were left to paddle their own canoe in a sectarian anti-Irish state.
Maybe  it's a case of Mé Féiners against Sinn Féiners?

I'm simply pointing out in the south a united Ireland is not a political issue or something the vast majority care about. That's not because of some crazy FF/FG conspiracy or agenda, but because for most of the people a united Ireland is something they'd like in theory. Issues like the economy, health service, housing etc are way way more important to them than some idealogical point. You consider it sad, but that's the way it is.

What exactly are people like me in the south doing to put a barrier to a united Ireland? Surely it's up to the people in NI to decide that for themselves or force the issue?

Thanks for the clarity D7 and Tbf , owning the "Mé Féin" attitude, I find it sad but respect it . I'll explain why that's a barrier to progress. Republicans in the South have lived in their republic since 1921, their republican allies north of the border have endured a sectarian based state in that time. More recently we have been "ruled" by one of the most regressive far-right parties in Europe. The contribution of many in the south ( usually for party political reasons ) is to target SF and espouse an attitude of "you're all the same up there, sort it out amongst yourselves", therefore effectively helping to cement DUP dominance . This attitude is represented by the lack of rapport , disdain , and hypocritical judgement displayed by Ryan Tubridy towards , a very impressive and fair MON on Friday night past. Rather than "pinching your nose" and looking down on Northern republicans, try to appreciate where we come from...walk a mile in the shoes of your fellow countrymen. Even a partitionist can envisage how much more effective we could be as an island in the absence of conflict and a culture of respect and rapport for all. Many of us in the North have great friends who are unionist and respect them. We're not a cantankerous rabble, we're a resilient people ( on both sides) and could contribute enormously to a new Ireland. People like me have a strong affinity with ROI, and yet we are treated as pariahs by many in the South , and that D7 is a barrier to progress. Hopefully you can learn from most ROI posters on this board in appreciating where we are coming from.

The majority of people in the south would vote tomorrow for a UI and that's unconditional.
D7 is talking through his hole when purporting to speak on behalf of the 'free people'.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

[general_lee]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

You were probably more impressed with tubridy

[Keyser soze]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

Aw would you ever give it a f***** rest man, it's so tiresome reading the same crap from you on this thread time after time. You clearly have some serious fixation with SF that is verging on unhealthy. The lack of self awareness to mention robots when all it takes is the mention of SF to trigger you is astounding. 

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

You were probably more impressed with tubridy

Havent watched it since Gaybo.

If she was good she was good, it doesnt need the robotic Goebells style online affirmations.  Imagine my da or yours(grown men ffs) taking time to tweet "I was so impressed by Michelle blah blah blah". It reeks of desperation and looks so contrived and false.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

Aw would you ever give it a f***** rest man, it's so tiresome reading the same crap from you on this thread time after time. You clearly have some serious fixation with SF that is verging on unhealthy. The lack of self awareness to mention robots when all it takes is the mention of SF to trigger you is astounding.

Oh another mental health expert that has time in his busy psychiatric consultancy schedule to post advice free of charge on GAA board. Lol lol lol. GIMP!!

[Keyser soze]

What is it with SF robots. Grown men and women tweeting the same tweet in their 1000s to confirm that michelle was good on late late show. It's so cringy and embarrassing it make you take Redner for them.

Aw would you ever give it a f***** rest man, it's so tiresome reading the same crap from you on this thread time after time. You clearly have some serious fixation with SF that is verging on unhealthy. The lack of self awareness to mention robots when all it takes is the mention of SF to trigger you is astounding.

Oh another mental health expert that has time in his busy psychiatric consultancy schedule to post advice free of charge on GAA board. Lol lol lol. GIMP!!

Naw just someone scundered reading the same dung from you over and over again.