Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[trailer]

Be interesting when the SF get into government in the south the reaction to getting there hands on the information to Dublin/Monaghan etc will be.

This will be the acid test.

[Rossfan]

And the Quinn, Oliver, Kelly,  Sheehan, Clerkin, McCabe (Gerry), Quaid, Stack, Corcoran, Donaldson..........

[trailer]

And the Quinn, Oliver, Kelly,  Sheehan, Clerkin, McCabe (Gerry), Quaid, Stack, Corcoran, Donaldson..........

I should clarify I mean how they will act once they have access to the files as it were and not in relation to one specific incident.

[Rossfan]

They'll be part of a Coalition and won't be let near the Justice Department.

[marty34]

And the Quinn, Oliver, Kelly,  Sheehan, Clerkin, McCabe (Gerry), Quaid, Stack, Corcoran, Donaldson..........

I think they have that, already (at every election) spurred on by certain newspaper and news outlets etc. and it doesn't seem to be doing them much harm. 

People see through all that, especially at election time and are more astute than they're given credit for.

Ironically after the elections are over, from that night on all these names are hardly mentioned (apart from their families obviously).  Fianna Gael use them, then forget about them to the next election.

[dublin7]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

SF have been calling for an international independent truth commission for decades but guess what? The Free State, the Brits and unionism don't want it because what will show how northern nationalists were terrorised by the state while all three parties against this commission (Britsih state, Free State, Unionism) were either actively involved in it or sat on their hands and helped cover it up.

Do you really think FFG want the truth to come out about the Dublin/Monaghan bombings? That they knew of British state involvement in the mass murder of their citizens and tried to suppress that information and thwart the investigation?

Sssshh Angelo, Dublin7 doesn't want to hear things like that - it doesn't suit his narrative.

His use of the word 'terrorist' is the give away.

How would you decscribe the IRA/UVF etc Would you call them freedom fighters?

Which IRA are you talking about?

The good IRA or the bad IRA?

There are alot of offshoots/groups from the original 1919 version aren't there. I'd struggle to name them all to be honest. To keep it simple I would describe the IRA, Provsional IRA etc. and all the other versions formed from the 1970s onwards as terrorist organisations. I can see why they were originally formed to help people in the early days,no one would object to that, but somewhere along the way that changed and you ended up with organisations launching bombing campaigns against innocent people. How would you describe them?

You worded that very well indeed - typical Fianna Gael.

So the 'old' IRA were noble warriors etc. etc.

People in the north won't be taking lectures from the likes of you.

When the comparsion is made between the two, the free staters soon trip over themselves with the classic 'but that was different...blah, blah blah.

Look if you want to go back to 1916 and call them terrorists go ahead. You asked my opinion and for me the IRA were terrorists. I don't see how you can call them anything else.

In terms of the truth and reconciliation SF claim to want does anybody seriously think Gerry Adams for example would stand up and give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or do you think he would continue to deny he had any role in the IRA?

[pbat]

They'll be part of a Coalition and won't be let near the Justice Department.

If there is a coalition they will be largest party so will have choice of departments.

[sid waddell]

What an absolute guttersnipe of a politician Michael Martin is.

https://twitter.com/Farrell_Mairead/status/1356991206484492288

According to your own logic what Micheal Martin said there is perfectly fine

The Gibraltar Mairead Farrell was involved in a war, according to Sinn Fein/IRA

Therefore, according to the Sinn Fein/IRA logic, also your logic, it was a perfectly legitimate kill by the Brits

Now you and SF are backtracking

[sid waddell]

Fair play to him.

SF scored an own goal by having Stanley delete his original tweet, there was nothing wrong with it and they should not have rolled over to the absolute scum in the Free State establishment parties who continue to use victims of the troubles as political footballs.

Angelo and Mairead Farrell TD now using Farrell's aunt as a political football

SF hypocrisy never sleeps

[sid waddell]

At the time the assassination of the Gibraltar 3 was celebrated and applauded by British politicians and media, it was and still is  accepted by the british state as a legitimate kill , but never did they recognise that those killed were soldiers of a kind.
Time to move on from the blame game,  claiming God's on my side and your side should wear the sackcloth and ashes.

Presumably this applies to Bloody Sunday too

Mad how far you can push "nationalists" in the name of logic, isn't it

All this is very interesting because SF now draw a clear distinction between PIRA acts in which civilians died and in which Brits died - because they saw the Brits as part of a conflict, a war in other words - their words

Yet Mairead Farrell TD and SF now refuse to draw any distinction between the killing of an active service PIRA member by the Brits - which remember, according to their own logic, was legitimate - and a group of civilian workmen slaughtered by the PIRA

SF are now saying that there was no difference between the killing of an active combatant of the killing of a civilian 

Which is total hypocrisy given their previous stance on different acts committed by the PIRA and their willingness to defend some of them but not others - because SF see some victims, bit not others, as legitimate

They have now directly reversed this stance

And in doing so, they are now saying that every act they ever committed was illegitimate

SF, masters of exclusive eternal victimhood - and supreme hypocrisy and stupidity

[Angelo]

And the Quinn, Oliver, Kelly,  Sheehan, Clerkin, McCabe (Gerry), Quaid, Stack, Corcoran, Donaldson..........

Odd you don't care about the Dublin Monaghan bombing victims.

[Angelo]

Fair play to him.

SF scored an own goal by having Stanley delete his original tweet, there was nothing wrong with it and they should not have rolled over to the absolute scum in the Free State establishment parties who continue to use victims of the troubles as political footballs.

Angelo and Mairead Farrell TD now using Farrell's aunt as a political football

SF hypocrisy never sleeps

You're the only one who referenced the death of Mairead Farrell.

It's not surprising to see a shoneen like yourself back up a corrupt weasel like Martin and how he uses victims to score political points.

[Angelo]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

SF have been calling for an international independent truth commission for decades but guess what? The Free State, the Brits and unionism don't want it because what will show how northern nationalists were terrorised by the state while all three parties against this commission (Britsih state, Free State, Unionism) were either actively involved in it or sat on their hands and helped cover it up.

Do you really think FFG want the truth to come out about the Dublin/Monaghan bombings? That they knew of British state involvement in the mass murder of their citizens and tried to suppress that information and thwart the investigation?

Sssshh Angelo, Dublin7 doesn't want to hear things like that - it doesn't suit his narrative.

His use of the word 'terrorist' is the give away.

How would you decscribe the IRA/UVF etc Would you call them freedom fighters?

Which IRA are you talking about?

The good IRA or the bad IRA?

There are alot of offshoots/groups from the original 1919 version aren't there. I'd struggle to name them all to be honest. To keep it simple I would describe the IRA, Provsional IRA etc. and all the other versions formed from the 1970s onwards as terrorist organisations. I can see why they were originally formed to help people in the early days,no one would object to that, but somewhere along the way that changed and you ended up with organisations launching bombing campaigns against innocent people. How would you describe them?

You worded that very well indeed - typical Fianna Gael.

So the 'old' IRA were noble warriors etc. etc.

People in the north won't be taking lectures from the likes of you.

When the comparsion is made between the two, the free staters soon trip over themselves with the classic 'but that was different...blah, blah blah.

Look if you want to go back to 1916 and call them terrorists go ahead. You asked my opinion and for me the IRA were terrorists. I don't see how you can call them anything else.

In terms of the truth and reconciliation SF claim to want does anybody seriously think Gerry Adams for example would stand up and give the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth or do you think he would continue to deny he had any role in the IRA?

What a brazen hypocrite.

[Angelo]

At the time the assassination of the Gibraltar 3 was celebrated and applauded by British politicians and media, it was and still is  accepted by the british state as a legitimate kill , but never did they recognise that those killed were soldiers of a kind.
Time to move on from the blame game,  claiming God's on my side and your side should wear the sackcloth and ashes.

Presumably this applies to Bloody Sunday too

Mad how far you can push "nationalists" in the name of logic, isn't it

All this is very interesting because SF now draw a clear distinction between PIRA acts in which civilians died and in which Brits died - because they saw the Brits as part of a conflict, a war in other words - their words

Yet Mairead Farrell TD and SF now refuse to draw any distinction between the killing of an active service PIRA member by the Brits - which remember, according to their own logic, was legitimate - and a group of civilian workmen slaughtered by the PIRA

SF are now saying that there was no difference between the killing of an active combatant of the killing of a civilian 

Which is total hypocrisy given their previous stance on different acts committed by the PIRA and their willingness to defend some of them but not others - because SF see some victims, bit not others, as legitimate

They have now directly reversed this stance

And in doing so, they are now saying that every act they ever committed was illegitimate

SF, masters of exclusive eternal victimhood - and supreme hypocrisy and stupidity

Your beloved Michael Martin, bought and sold for by property developers, showed us once again yesterday the absolute contempt he has for both Northern nationalists and victims of the troubles.

You really need to tackle your hypocrisies someday.

[sid waddell]

Fair play to him.

SF scored an own goal by having Stanley delete his original tweet, there was nothing wrong with it and they should not have rolled over to the absolute scum in the Free State establishment parties who continue to use victims of the troubles as political footballs.

Angelo and Mairead Farrell TD now using Farrell's aunt as a political football

SF hypocrisy never sleeps

You're the only one who referenced the death of Mairead Farrell.

It's not surprising to see a shoneen like yourself back up a corrupt weasel like Martin and how he uses victims to score political points.

Whose death do you think Mairead Farrell TD was referencing when she said she was a bereaved relative of the Troubles?