Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[trailer]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

[Angelo]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

So you think Mairia Cahill and Paul Quinn are more deserving of justice than say the family of Majella O'Hare - a 12 year old girl shot in the back over 40 years ago by a British soldier?

I never heard Michael Martin look for justice for her but he is happy to wheel out selective victims and use them to score political points.

You're every bit as nasty and cynical as Martin. Maybe go and tell the families of victims of the British state terrorism on this island why Paul Quinn and Mairia Cahill deserve their case heard more.

Absolutely vile stuff from you as per usual.

[marty34]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

Very interesting that you're not answering Angelo's question - don't want to criticise your SDLP buddy - MM.

[trailer]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

Very interesting that you're not answering Angelo's question - don't want to criticise your SDLP buddy - MM.

He doesn't like it when it is put up to him. He can't take it. He goes round and round in circles.
I have no love for MM, never met him and he's not my buddy.

[trailer]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

So you think Mairia Cahill and Paul Quinn are more deserving of justice than say the family of Majella O'Hare - a 12 year old girl shot in the back over 40 years ago by a British soldier?

I never heard Michael Martin look for justice for her but he is happy to wheel out selective victims and use them to score political points.

You're every bit as nasty and cynical as Martin. Maybe go and tell the families of victims of the British state terrorism on this island why Paul Quinn and Mairia Cahill deserve their case heard more.

Absolutely vile stuff from you as per usual.

Everyone deserves justice. No matter who they are. The IRA, The British and Irish governments, Loyalists all need to come forward, give the evidence of what they know even if it incriminates them and help deliver the justice.
SF could actually take the lead on this if they wanted.

[Snapchap]

Trailer, the Taoiseach just shouted down a woman who was speaking on behalf of 3,500 bereaved relatives purely because he mistakenly believed these victims weren't exclusively made up of the useful ones that he likes to talk about. You'd think that you'd have more to say about that than "ah I'm not his buddy" and that "SF should take the lead" on victims.

Why the F**K should SF take the lead on victims? The issue of victims was addressed in 2014 in the Stormont House Agreement. The Irish and British Governments signed up to that international agreement and to those commitments regarding victims within it. The Irish Government are dragging their feet on seeing those commitments enacted and the British Government is actively working to renege on them. The 'New Decade New Approach' document produced just last year on the re-establishment of the Assembly, a document negotiated with the two governments, included a supposedly binding commitment to enacting the Stormont House Agreement IN FULL. So it is the two governments who need to take the lead. Any suggestion to the contrary is just ill informed, cheap, opportunistic, cold, cynical point scoring.

[Angelo]

Everyone deserves justice. No matter who they are. The IRA, The British and Irish governments, Loyalists all need to come forward, give the evidence of what they know even if it incriminates them and help deliver the justice.
SF could actually take the lead on this if they wanted.

So would you agree that Martin's comments were disgraceful yesterday in response to a fair question and were grossly offensive and insulting to victims of the troubles?

What do you think gives him the right to demean victims of the troubles like he does while selectively using other victims to score points against a political rival.

What is interesting is that you have had multiple opportunities now to condemn what Martin said but are unwilling to do so.

[dublin7]

Trailer, the Taoiseach just shouted down a woman who was speaking on behalf of 3,500 bereaved relatives purely because he mistakenly believed these victims weren't exclusively made up of the useful ones that he likes to talk about. You'd think that you'd have more to say about that than "ah I'm not his buddy" and that "SF should take the lead" on victims.

Why the F**K should SF take the lead on victims? The issue of victims was addressed in 2014 in the Stormont House Agreement. The Irish and British Governments signed up to that international agreement and to those commitments regarding victims within it. The Irish Government are dragging their feet on seeing those commitments enacted and the British Government is actively working to renege on them. The 'New Decade New Approach' document produced just last year on the re-establishment of the Assembly, a document negotiated with the two governments, included a supposedly binding commitment to enacting the Stormont House Agreement IN FULL. So it is the two governments who need to take the lead. Any suggestion to the contrary is just ill informed, cheap, opportunistic, cold, cynical point scoring.

There were some terrible atrocities commited by terrorist groups on both sides during the troubles that have never been answered for. Individuals/parties on both sides of the conflict have covered up incidents and done everything they can to ensure the truth doesn't come out.

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

[general_lee]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

[dublin7]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

[Angelo]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

SF have been calling for an international independent truth commission for decades but guess what? The Free State, the Brits and unionism don't want it because what will show how northern nationalists were terrorised by the state while all three parties against this commission (Britsih state, Free State, Unionism) were either actively involved in it or sat on their hands and helped cover it up.

Do you really think FFG want the truth to come out about the Dublin/Monaghan bombings? That they knew of British state involvement in the mass murder of their citizens and tried to suppress that information and thwart the investigation?

[Snapchap]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

Skimming past the "terrorists" terminology, SF have indeed been calling for such a mechanism, and have been doing so for many years. However, putting structures in place for victims cannot and should not be led by political parties. It has to be government led. That is why Mairead Farrell stood in the Dáil yesterday, on behalf of 3,500 bereaved relatives, and asked Micheal Martin if he would work to enact the proposals set out in a 2014 Agreement that the Irish Government already signed up to and committed to six years ago now. What sort of Taoiseach gets angry and abusive to someone speaking on behalf of 3,500 bereaved relatives when all she asked was that he meet up with their victims group and that he work towards enacting what his government, by international agreement, are committed to working towards?

[marty34]

South Africa held a Truth and Reconciliation commission after apartheid ended which went some waying to dealing with the issues in their country. There doesn't seem to be any interest from any party to do something in this country. Instead we see victims used as political footballs by politicans (especially come elections) in both the north and the south

Correct me if I am wrong but have SF not been calling for one for years?

I don't know? Its not something they've made an issue of in the south anyway. I don't remember hearing about it as part of their election manifesto down here. It certainly wasn't an issue they or any other party brought up in the campaign

SF have been calling for an international independent truth commission for decades but guess what? The Free State, the Brits and unionism don't want it because what will show how northern nationalists were terrorised by the state while all three parties against this commission (Britsih state, Free State, Unionism) were either actively involved in it or sat on their hands and helped cover it up.

Do you really think FFG want the truth to come out about the Dublin/Monaghan bombings? That they knew of British state involvement in the mass murder of their citizens and tried to suppress that information and thwart the investigation?

Sssshh Angelo, Dublin7 doesn't want to hear things like that - it doesn't suit his narrative.

His use of the word 'terrorist' is the give away.

[Kidder81]

It will never happen, SF have no interest in it either. Do you think Gerry Adams for example is going to tell you about his part in the armed conflict for example ? Too many skeletons in cupboards, for the Brits & republicans, do you think every IRA informer or double agent was uncovered ? No chance. It's all too messy

[marty34]

Michael Martin is very unimpressive as Taoiseach on many levels. As a "northerner " not only do I feel he has no empathy or understanding of the north, he's actually antagonistic to the northern "Irish" , as if he appears to fear a United ireland. The apparent link with the SDLP is bizarre as there appears to be no substance or strategy behind this. It's about time that "Irish " people on the whole island got together to set out a framework for a New Ireland engaging with unionism from the very start( even if unionists will be reluctant to engage, weight of "Irish" numbers can drive the solution )

100%

He consistently plays political football with the troubles.

Wheeling out Paul Quinn at election time but then denigrating innocent victims of the troubles when he has challenged on how his government are failing in their commitments to the Stormont government.

I made the point a few weeks ago. Nationalists/republicans of any background - moderate/pacifist/pro force - it does not matter what your beliefs are in that regard - should all be utterly appalled and the crass and callous way in which the establishment parties of the FS consistently try to demean and degrade the struggles of catholics in the O6. They will regularly wheel out a Mairia Cahill or a Paul Quinn to snipe at a political rival but when it comes to victims on the nationalist/republican side they appoint a head RUC man who quashed the Glenanne Gang investigation as head of their police force. They actively thwart the McAnespie family in their quest for justice. They covered up the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and have no appetite to ever get justice for the largest terrorist atrocity in their state.

TBF it's mainly a FG tactic but Martin is even worse than FG in this regard, he's as republican as Edwin Poots and hopefully victims groups of the north shame him into an unreserved apology for those utterly disgraceful comments yesterday.

You have Rossfan and Dublin7 telling you that SF are the barrier to an United Ireland but the likes of FG and Michael Martin will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening.

You don't seem to understand that Paul Quinn and Maria Cahill are nationalist victims. Maybe they're are just not the right type of victims?

I understand they are victims but you don't seem to grasp that Martin uses them as political footballs while his government actively thwart the McAnespire family in their own attempts for justice.

Did you find his comments appropriate yesterday?

So he shouldn't talk about Maria Cahill or Paul Quinn? Have you got a list of victims he should talk about for reference?

Very interesting that you're not answering Angelo's question - don't want to criticise your SDLP buddy - MM.

He doesn't like it when it is put up to him. He can't take it. He goes round and round in circles.
I have no love for MM, never met him and he's not my buddy.

Lol, he's not my buddy. SDLP/FF buddies alright.

Again more deflection from the question.

Telling but not surprising.