Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[trueblue1234]

Fair enough. Maybe I missed it. Had brief read through but couldn't see any answer. Which post covered an answer to the below?

Oh Sid's back.

9th attempt:
Would you term the Old IRA campaign as a "civilian/sectarian murder campaign"?

Please Note:
1. The question is as part of a debate which originated in discussions surrounding a tweet which drew parallels between the PIRA's Narrow Water ambush, and the Old IRA's Kilmichael ambush. So claiming that you can't discuss the Old IRA within that debate on grounds of "whataboutery" is clearly just the height of nonsense.

2. Given that you have already REPEATEDLY engaged in discusssions about the Old IRA (they were part of the very subject of the discussion from the start), then it becomes even more nonsensical to suddenly decry "whataboutery" as an excuse to avoid answering a question about them.

Yep, this is the one.

He's in some bind here

It's funny to watch the desperation

The endless angry posts about circle jerking (definitely an issue there)

Clutching for anything which could steer the conversation away

Insult after insult

When all he has to do is answer this simple question

How am I in a bind

I'm not the person using disso logic

You are

You're the person who has used insult after insult

Also it's quite hilarious that as well as disso logic, the Shinnerbots like yourself are now using Eoghan Harris and Kevin Myers version of history!

You couldn't make it up

You are in a wee bit of a bind to be fair.

[sid waddell]

Fair enough. Maybe I missed it. Had brief read through but couldn't see any answer. Which post covered an answer to the below?

Oh Sid's back.

9th attempt:
Would you term the Old IRA campaign as a "civilian/sectarian murder campaign"?

Please Note:
1. The question is as part of a debate which originated in discussions surrounding a tweet which drew parallels between the PIRA's Narrow Water ambush, and the Old IRA's Kilmichael ambush. So claiming that you can't discuss the Old IRA within that debate on grounds of "whataboutery" is clearly just the height of nonsense.

2. Given that you have already REPEATEDLY engaged in discusssions about the Old IRA (they were part of the very subject of the discussion from the start), then it becomes even more nonsensical to suddenly decry "whataboutery" as an excuse to avoid answering a question about them.

Post up the stats there from the War of Independence

Exactly what killings were civilian, by who, where, and whether they were sectarian or not

Cite historians

Bad shit happened during the War of Independence

Bad shit happens in every war

But some wars are justifiable and some are not

The War of Independence has at least a plausible case for being a morally just war which I've explained ad nauseum and been met with silence as regards - you can debate that case but it is a plausible one

The PIRA campaign doesn't have one, because it went on for 28 years of nihilism - not two years

The default reaction of Shinnerbots is to always point to something else and cry whataboutery

On this thread the PIRA logic is the exact same as "The Allied campaign during World War II was justified, so therefore the War in Iraq must have been too"

And there has been zero response, only silence

The logic is also the current disso logic - the exact same logic as the PIRA used

But that logic is bunkum

On this thread, the view of history espoused by the Shinnerbots has been one of the child like naivety and cynical, Putin-esque attempts to reduce complex matters of just war to a crude reductionism and slogans

They've been "loosing" the plot since the start

[sid waddell]

Fair enough. Maybe I missed it. Had brief read through but couldn't see any answer. Which post covered an answer to the below?

Oh Sid's back.

9th attempt:
Would you term the Old IRA campaign as a "civilian/sectarian murder campaign"?

Please Note:
1. The question is as part of a debate which originated in discussions surrounding a tweet which drew parallels between the PIRA's Narrow Water ambush, and the Old IRA's Kilmichael ambush. So claiming that you can't discuss the Old IRA within that debate on grounds of "whataboutery" is clearly just the height of nonsense.

2. Given that you have already REPEATEDLY engaged in discusssions about the Old IRA (they were part of the very subject of the discussion from the start), then it becomes even more nonsensical to suddenly decry "whataboutery" as an excuse to avoid answering a question about them.

Yep, this is the one.

He's in some bind here

It's funny to watch the desperation

The endless angry posts about circle jerking (definitely an issue there)

Clutching for anything which could steer the conversation away

Insult after insult

When all he has to do is answer this simple question

How am I in a bind

I'm not the person using disso logic

You are

You're the person who has used insult after insult

Also it's quite hilarious that as well as disso logic, the Shinnerbots like yourself are now using Eoghan Harris and Kevin Myers version of history!

You couldn't make it up

More boilerplate crap from you Sid

We all see through your deflection

Just answer the question and it'll all be over

Again, you refuse to deal with complex reality

War is not simple, war cannot be reduced to "terrible stuff happened in one war so every other war that terrible stuff happened in is the exact same"

That is your logic

Deal with the Iraq War/World War II comparison

Saddam Hussein was a brutal tyrant

But the Iraq War cannot be morally justified for a host of reasons - do you agree?

But because terrible things happened in Iraq and terrible things also happened in World War II, under your logic, Iraq and World War II are the exact same

Again, this is your logic and the Shinnerbot logic

Now, deal with your logic, why you hold it, and justify it

You won't be able to

[Angelo]

Fair enough. Maybe I missed it. Had brief read through but couldn't see any answer. Which post covered an answer to the below?

Oh Sid's back.

9th attempt:
Would you term the Old IRA campaign as a "civilian/sectarian murder campaign"?

Please Note:
1. The question is as part of a debate which originated in discussions surrounding a tweet which drew parallels between the PIRA's Narrow Water ambush, and the Old IRA's Kilmichael ambush. So claiming that you can't discuss the Old IRA within that debate on grounds of "whataboutery" is clearly just the height of nonsense.

2. Given that you have already REPEATEDLY engaged in discusssions about the Old IRA (they were part of the very subject of the discussion from the start), then it becomes even more nonsensical to suddenly decry "whataboutery" as an excuse to avoid answering a question about them.

Post up the stats there from the War of Independence

Exactly what killings were civilian, by who, where, and whether they were sectarian or not

Cite historians

Bad shit happened during the War of Independence

Bad shit happens in every war

But some wars are justifiable and some are not

The War of Independence has at least a plausible case for being a morally just war which I've explained ad nauseum and been met with silence as regards - you can debate that case but it is a plausible one

The PIRA campaign doesn't have one, because it went on for 28 years of nihilism - not two years

The default reaction of Shinnerbots is to always point to something else and cry whataboutery

On this thread the PIRA logic is the exact same as "The Allied campaign during World War II was justified, so therefore the War in Iraq must have been too"

And there has been zero response, only silence

The logic is also the current disso logic - the exact same logic as the PIRA used

But that logic is bunkum

On this thread, the view of history espoused by the Shinnerbots has been one of the child like naivety and cynical, Putin-esque attempts to reduce complex matters of just war to a crude reductionism and slogans

They've been "loosing" the plot since the start

You failed to answer the question again.

That's what happens when you tie yourself in a knot of faux outrage and contradictions.

[sid waddell]

Zzzzzzzz

Angelo, the bomb loving answer to a question nobody asked

[sid waddell]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified? (allowing that some horrible things happened during it)
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

[Angelo]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified?
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

Bit rich of you to ask questions when you won't answer them yourself.

That's textbook far right behaviour.

[ONeill]

Yes,
No.
Up Tyrone.

[sid waddell]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified?
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

Bit rich of you to ask questions when you won't answer them yourself.

That's textbook far right behaviour.

I've answered every question on this thread comprehensively

You and the other Shinnerbots haven't answered a single one - and I have put many questions throughout the course of the thread

Circle jerking like Twitter trollbots is not debating

You're anti-abortion, anti-gay rights and pro-Putin, and pro bombing of civilian targets

All these are textbook far right views

The projection is hilarious

[Angelo]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified?
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

Bit rich of you to ask questions when you won't answer them yourself.

That's textbook far right behaviour.

I've answered every question on this thread comprehensively

You and the other Shinnerbots haven't answered a single one

Circle jerking like Twitter trollbots is not debating

You're anti-abortion, anti-gay rights and pro-Putin, and pro bombing of civilian targets

All these are textbook far right views

The projection is hilarious

That's just another lie.

You have point blank refused to answer the question because it contradicts your sanctimonious revisionism.

[sid waddell]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified?
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

Bit rich of you to ask questions when you won't answer them yourself.

That's textbook far right behaviour.

I've answered every question on this thread comprehensively

You and the other Shinnerbots haven't answered a single one

Circle jerking like Twitter trollbots is not debating

You're anti-abortion, anti-gay rights and pro-Putin, and pro bombing of civilian targets

All these are textbook far right views

The projection is hilarious

That's just another lie.

You have point blank refused to answer the question because it contradicts your sanctimonious revisionism.

Pretty much everything you say on this forum is a lie

You're also in lockstep with the cliched far right Tory press views on Covid

Yet another thing you hold far right views on

[trueblue1234]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified? (allowing that some horrible things happened during it)
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

I'm not a shinnerbot but just to answer,

1- yes
2- No

But I think the issue is you claimed the PIRA campaign was a Civilian murder campaign. But the stats would be more towards military targets. Therefore given the old IRA also had civilian deaths would it also be considered a civilian murder campaign?

[sid waddell]

Yes,
No.
Up Tyrone.

They didn't bring Uncle Sam home

[Angelo]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified? (allowing that some horrible things happened during it)
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

I'm not a shinnerbot but just to answer,

1- yes
2- No

But I think the issue is you claimed the PIRA campaign was a Civilian murder campaign. But the stats would be more towards military targets. Therefore given the old IRA also had civilian deaths would it also be considered a civilian murder campaign?

Sid is all for civilian murders but rather than admit it he won't answer that question.

[Franko]

Question for all the Shinnerbots here:

i) Was the Allied campaign in World War II, on the whole, justified? (allowing that some horrible things happened during it)
ii) Was the US/British campaign in Iraq in 2003, on the whole, justified?

Answer the questions, now

And you were banging on that questions about the Old IRA were irrelevant to the subject matter.

Nonetheless, I'll indulge you.

i) Yes
ii) No

Now, back to your question