Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[sid waddell]

When Boris Johnson became UK Prime Minister, his history of racist comments was rightly brought up

Sinn Feiners pointed to them as evidence that he was not fit to be UK PM

And that would be correct, he isn't fit to be PM

So why then is Sinn Fein's continued glorification of a campaign of which civilian slaughter was an integral part deemed off limits for discussion?

What's the rationale that says that Johnson's history of racism means he's be unfit to be PM, yet also says that anybody who believes Sinn Fein's continued glorification of a campaign in which civilian slaughter was an integral part makes them unfit for government in the Republic, should shut the f**k up?

What's that rationale?

Can anybody explain that total double standard?

And hey presto.... we're back to where we started in this entire discussion.

If you are going to have this discussion for SF, it is equally valid to point your moral compass in the direction of Fine Gael and Fianna Fail.

This is the bit you and many of our 26 county folk struggle with.

You've waffled for days now but you've yet to address this core point.

And you can't - because it's impossible to do this and retain any shred of moral consistency.

You don't get it, Fianna Fail and Fine Gael do not act as cults, they tolerate different opinions

Only Sinn Fein requires their members to glorify a three decades long campaign of which mass civilian murder was an integral part

If you don't subscribe to such a cultish view, you can't be in Sinn Fein

If you really do believe what you and others here believe, that's a carte blanche for dissidents, who can claim the exact same justification as the PIRA claimed

That's total hypocrisy

Sinn Fein may say individual acts are "wrong" - a classic non-apology apology, but they never expressed an ounce of regret

Sinn Fein are outraged about the lack of British inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane - rightly so

Yet they could easily give up the Enniskillen bombers to justice, they know who they are

So much more hypocrisy, and it always comes back to one thing - protecting and glorifying murder

What's another glaring hypocrisy is the ultra-partitionist nature of who you think is eligible to talk about the Troubles

That rules out Rathgar's Mary Lou McDonald and Blackrock's Eoin O'Broin, so

[sid waddell]

I see Varadkar throwing a whistleblower under the bus has been swept under the rug by the media again.

Nasty culture with FG when it comes to whistleblowers.

Maurice McCabe
The HSE guy
And now the prison guy

All hung out to dry by FG.

How were PIRA whistleblowers treated?

Stabbed 20 times in the face and backed over by a car to prevent an open coffin, that's how

[Snapchap]

Just answer the question Sid.

If someone who believes the PIRA campaign in general was justifiable, and that to you means they therefore must view the Enniskillen bomb attack as justifiable, then since you believe the Old IRA campaign on the whole was justifiable, surely we can assume that you regard the Dunmanway Massacre as justifiable?

I don't regard the Dunmanway massacre as justifiable in any way

I have a very dim view of war in general and I have no interest whatsoever in glorifying the War of Independence

Sinn Fein do glorify the 28 year PIRA campaign, they continue to glorify it, many posters here glorify it

You are deliberately trying to blur the lines between war and isolated actions within a war. You have all along implied that if you agreed with the PIRA campaign, that you must therefore believe all actions they carried out during that campaign were justifiable.

I'm merely trying to follow your own logic here. If you believe the Dunmanway Massacre was unjustifiable, by your own terms you must surely then regard the entire Old IRA campaign as unjustifiable? You can't have it both ways here.

Similarly, you say that the PIRA campaign was unjustifiable "because civilian slaughter was an integral part of that campaign", then, given that civilian slaughter was an even more prevelant aspect of the Old IRA campaign, can we assume, again, that you regard the Old IRA campaign as unjustifiable? Again, you can't have it both ways.

Again, you're totally deflecting - I'm not the person glorifying killing people, you and the likes of Angelo are

Youse are the people that have to answer the questions

The IRA killed 644 civilians

They killed 638 British Army or UDR

They killed a miserly 28 Loyalists - the very people who were terrorising their communities

So tell us again how they were "protecting their communities"?

They were in me hole protecting their communities, they were sucking them into a three decades long spiral of death and destruction

Pied pipers

And yet you still won't square the circle: If killing civilians is enough to make you condemn the PIRA campaign, surely you'll have no problem condemning the Old IRA campaign, given that they targetted a higher proportion of civilians.

So lets hear you do so, once and for all....

[Rossfan]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

[Main Street]

Sid's demented waffling  is selective gobshitery, the character is probably just one of O'Neill's aliases, almost the perfect design of a loudmouth permanently placed on a soapbox.

[Snapchap]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

Roll up, roll up...it's Victim Bingo time

[Angelo]

I see Varadkar throwing a whistleblower under the bus has been swept under the rug by the media again.

Nasty culture with FG when it comes to whistleblowers.

Maurice McCabe
The HSE guy
And now the prison guy

All hung out to dry by FG.

How were PIRA whistleblowers treated?

Stabbed 20 times in the face and backed over by a car to prevent an open coffin, that's how

It's a bit like how FF and FG did back in the day too.

Hypocrite.

[Angelo]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

Michael Lynagh?

[Snapchap]

I see Varadkar throwing a whistleblower under the bus has been swept under the rug by the media again.

Nasty culture with FG when it comes to whistleblowers.

Maurice McCabe
The HSE guy
And now the prison guy

All hung out to dry by FG.

How were PIRA whistleblowers treated?

Stabbed 20 times in the face and backed over by a car to prevent an open coffin, that's how

It's a bit like how FF and FG did back in the day too.

Hypocrite.

Yeah but that's why he unequivocally condemns the Old IRA campaign.

Oh wait...

[Rossfan]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

Roll up, roll up...it's Victim Bingo time

Says it all that you think murder is a suitable subject for glib comments.

[Angelo]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

Roll up, roll up...it's Victim Bingo time

Says it all that you think murder is a suitable subject for glib comments.

That's what your establishment parties do. Use victims of the troubles as political footballs to score points. While deliberately trying to frustrate families of victims getting justice.

Of course your faux outrage is easily noticed.

[Main Street]

When Fine Gael/Varadkar  thought they needed to look a bit greener to the southern electorate, they sent Varadkar up to Belfast to be photgraphed with the Shinners at the Feile.

[Snapchap]

Mr Stanley has made his apology to the Dáil (on Ms McDonald's orders I presume).
I take it praising Provo actions are now off the agenda for SF TDs?
Meanwhile tomorrow marks the 37th Anniversary of the killing of those 2  servants of the Independent Irish State Patrick Kelly and Gary Sheehan by people engaged in the crime of kidnapping.
Hard to see how that advanced or improved the lot of the Catholic/Nationalist people in the 6 Cos.
Ditto re Frank Hand, Seamus Quaid, Jerry McCabe.......

Roll up, roll up...it's Victim Bingo time

Says it all that you think murder is a suitable subject for glib comments.

No, more of a satirical comment directed at showing how your pretence of care for victims is utterly shallow given that you merely selected random names, devoid of any context beyond having a lazy pop at Sinn Féin. Do you seriously think anyone believes you give a toss about the victims you mentioned beyond how 'useful' they are for point scoring? Pathetically transparent

[red hander]

Encapsulates the deluded tosser perfectly.

Well you say that, Red Hand, but apparently it was actually me who made you post that (using mind control I assume).

After all, Sid (the fella who is adamant that he dislikes dishonest posters and straw man arguments) this morning posted an accusation that when anyone leaves a post agreeing with something I've written, that I somehow made them do it.

Seems straw men only upset him when they are built by others.

No, I wrote a post to the effect that there is a circle jerk full of Shinners on this forum, who continually back each others infantile nonsense up with aggressive, playground bully style posts, and that point has been borne out beautifully

You dig any further in this thread and you'll end up in Australia, you cockwomble.

[Snapchap]

Encapsulates the deluded tosser perfectly.

Well you say that, Red Hand, but apparently it was actually me who made you post that (using mind control I assume).

After all, Sid (the fella who is adamant that he dislikes dishonest posters and straw man arguments) this morning posted an accusation that when anyone leaves a post agreeing with something I've written, that I somehow made them do it.

Seems straw men only upset him when they are built by others.

No, I wrote a post to the effect that there is a circle jerk full of Shinners on this forum, who continually back each others infantile nonsense up with aggressive, playground bully style posts, and that point has been borne out beautifully

You dig any further in this thread and you'll end up in Australia, you cockwomble.

Any chance you can confirm for everyone that you condemn the Old IRA campaign?