Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

No, I am not against a utility for water, and I am not against those who would abuse the provision of such a resource being hammered financially for the extravagance.

I am against Irish Water (for reasons heretofore expressed), and I am against the the ordinary person being saddled with the bill for such a provision (also for reasons heretofore expressed).

[trileacman]

No, I am not against a utility for water, and I am not against those who would abuse the provision of such a resource being hammered financially for the extravagance.

I am against Irish Water (for reasons heretofore expressed), and I am against the the ordinary person being saddled with the bill for such a provision (also for reasons heretofore expressed).

That's a clear contradiction.

[Minder]

Just out of curiosity, and you hear it from people in political life all the time now, who are these "ordinary" people ?

[muppet]

Just out of curiosity, and you hear it from people in political life all the time now, who are these "ordinary" people ?

They are the most unfortunate people who can neither speak nor even write to a newspaper, but fortunately they have loads of people who claim to speak for them.

Not as many as 'the most vulnerable in society' though.

[trileacman]

Just out of curiosity, and you hear it from people in political life all the time now, who are these "ordinary" people ?

They are the most unfortunate people who can neither speak nor even write to a newspaper, but fortunately they have loads of people who claim to speak for them.

Not as many as 'the most vulnerable in society' though.

And clearly, completely unconnected to the democratic process that elected the current government and the ones previous.

[muppet]

Just out of curiosity, and you hear it from people in political life all the time now, who are these "ordinary" people ?

They are the most unfortunate people who can neither speak nor even write to a newspaper, but fortunately they have loads of people who claim to speak for them.

Not as many as 'the most vulnerable in society' though.

And clearly, completely unconnected to the democratic process that elected the current government and the ones previous.

Yes, but you wouldn't know that.

Usually it is the future Government who speaks most on their behalves, until they actually get into Government.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

No, I am not against a utility for water, and I am not against those who would abuse the provision of such a resource being hammered financially for the extravagance.

I am against Irish Water (for reasons heretofore expressed), and I am against the the ordinary person being saddled with the bill for such a provision (also for reasons heretofore expressed).

That's a clear contradiction.

Bullshit: we pay enough general taxation, if the incompetents in power prove pathetically incapable of the provision of potable water the ordinary joe should not have to fork out for that dereliction of duty. Successive administrations have presided over an increasingly leaky network. 

Why should an efficient water utility be beyond the ken of capable and comprehensive governance?

[Maguire01]

Some craic this Sinn Féin thread, especially the first few pages. Imagine where they'd be now if they'd got rid of that liability Adams.

Well they wouldn't have their two best prospects - McDonald and Doherty - trying to defend things they could know nothing about.

[lynchbhoy]

Some craic this Sinn Féin thread, especially the first few pages. Imagine where they'd be now if they'd got rid of that liability Adams.

Well they wouldn't have their two best prospects - McDonald and Doherty - trying to defend things they could know nothing about.

I'd say you are right there!

But boy it's quite ironic ( you coming out with that)!

[trileacman]

No, I am not against a utility for water, and I am not against those who would abuse the provision of such a resource being hammered financially for the extravagance.

I am against Irish Water (for reasons heretofore expressed), and I am against the the ordinary person being saddled with the bill for such a provision (also for reasons heretofore expressed).

That's a clear contradiction.

Bullshit: we pay enough general taxation, if the incompetents in power prove pathetically incapable of the provision of potable water the ordinary joe should not have to fork out for that dereliction of duty. Successive administrations have presided over an increasingly leaky network. 

Why should an efficient water utility be beyond the ken of capable and comprehensive governance?

Because no-one had to pay for one. If you don't pay road tax you can hardly complain about the state of the road. If you don't pay a TV licence (as I do) you can hardly complain about the coverage or range of transmission. If you get your water for free you can't really turn round and say that the free service you are provided with isn't up to your satisfaction.

[Mike Sheehy]

No, I am not against a utility for water, and I am not against those who would abuse the provision of such a resource being hammered financially for the extravagance.

I am against Irish Water (for reasons heretofore expressed), and I am against the the ordinary person being saddled with the bill for such a provision (also for reasons heretofore expressed).

That's a clear contradiction.

Bullshit: we pay enough general taxation, if the incompetents in power prove pathetically incapable of the provision of potable water the ordinary joe should not have to fork out for that dereliction of duty. Successive administrations have presided over an increasingly leaky network. 

Why should an efficient water utility be beyond the ken of capable and comprehensive governance?

How much do you think your first Irish water bill will be ?

I mean you, personally.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Because no-one had to pay for one. If you don't pay road tax you can hardly complain about the state of the road. If you don't pay a TV licence (as I do) you can hardly complain about the coverage or range of transmission. If you get your water for free you can't really turn round and say that the free service you are provided with isn't up to your satisfaction.

Been here before, yawn...

Water is an essential, tarmac (asphalt, or whatever) on the road most certainly is not, and neither is television.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

How much do you think your first Irish water bill will be ?

I mean you, personally.

That's not my point, but it'll be somewhere around the €45 mark, apparently.

[muppet]

Because no-one had to pay for one. If you don't pay road tax you can hardly complain about the state of the road. If you don't pay a TV licence (as I do) you can hardly complain about the coverage or range of transmission. If you get your water for free you can't really turn round and say that the free service you are provided with isn't up to your satisfaction.

Been here before, yawn...

Water is an essential, tarmac (asphalt, or whatever) on the road most certainly is not, and neither is television.

This is reasonably dealt with by giving 30,000 litres free and further 21,000 litres free for every child.

[Mike Sheehy]

How much do you think your first Irish water bill will be ?

I mean you, personally.

That's not my point, but it'll be somewhere around the €45 mark, apparently.

Apparently ?

Will you personally have to pay 45euros to Irish Water or not ?