Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[glens abu]

Sinn Fein councillors in a drunken brawl on their Xmas do in Belfast City Hall, wrecked the bogs, causing two grand of damage. They must have fell out over how the grant money was getting carved up this year 

More lies,prove it.Glad to see you believe everything the DUP tell you.

So they will be taking legal action against the paper that printed the story ?

I know Martin Og and you boys are a bit thick but the paper only printed that the DUP accused the Shinners of this so learn to read what is printed before talking nonsense.

[SHEEDY]

Sinn Fein councillors in a drunken brawl on their Xmas do in Belfast City Hall, wrecked the bogs, causing two grand of damage. They must have fell out over how the grant money was getting carved up this year 

More lies,prove it.Glad to see you believe everything the DUP tell you.

So they will be taking legal action against the paper that printed the story ?

I know Martin Og and you boys are a bit thick but the paper only printed that the DUP accused the Shinners of this so learn to read what is printed before talking nonsense.

so the official party line is 'we didn't wreck the bogs' 

[glens abu]

Sinn Fein councillors in a drunken brawl on their Xmas do in Belfast City Hall, wrecked the bogs, causing two grand of damage. They must have fell out over how the grant money was getting carved up this year 

More lies,prove it.Glad to see you believe everything the DUP tell you.

So they will be taking legal action against the paper that printed the story ?

I know Martin Og and you boys are a bit thick but the paper only printed that the DUP accused the Shinners of this so learn to read what is printed before talking nonsense.

so the official party line is 'we didn't wreck the bogs' 

Yip

[Jeepers Creepers]

DUP accuse shinners of taking the piss. 

[Hardy]

"If a man has not found something worth fighting for then he is not fit to live."

[armaghniac]

Is anyone buried in the bogs?

[orangeman]

I thought the bogs were now protected by European laws ?

There could be a big fine coming our way if the bogs have been tampered with.

[Maguire01]

Breaking Bogs

[Applesisapples]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

[lawnseed]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

[Applesisapples]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

Why then if this handout from Europe is so needed by the poor farmers are the DUP, UUP,and SF want to kick the EU into touch? Where is this bailout going to come in a post bailout Uk/Ireland?

[lawnseed]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

Why then if this handout from Europe is so needed by the poor farmers are the DUP, UUP,and SF want to kick the EU into touch? Where is this bailout going to come in a post bailout Uk/Ireland?

the single farm payment is supposed to end soon anyway.. but for now why should farmers put up with the government helping themselves to their money as they see it to fund wildlife. farmers already leave portions of land aside for this. land they could otherwise bring into production so it already costs them money they are trying to make money why would they work for nothing no one else does

[LeoMc]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

Why then if this handout from Europe is so needed by the poor farmers are the DUP, UUP,and SF want to kick the EU into touch? Where is this bailout going to come in a post bailout Uk/Ireland?

the single farm payment is supposed to end soon anyway.. but for now why should farmers put up with the government helping themselves to their money as they see it to fund wildlife. farmers already leave portions of land aside for this. land they could otherwise bring into production so it already costs them money they are trying to make money why would they work for nothing no one else does

The fact there is even debate on how the money should be spent shows that Hamilton was correct to rein her in. It is not her money to do with as she pleases.

[Applesisapples]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

Why then if this handout from Europe is so needed by the poor farmers are the DUP, UUP,and SF want to kick the EU into touch? Where is this bailout going to come in a post bailout Uk/Ireland?

the single farm payment is supposed to end soon anyway.. but for now why should farmers put up with the government helping themselves to their money as they see it to fund wildlife. farmers already leave portions of land aside for this. land they could otherwise bring into production so it already costs them money they are trying to make money why would they work for nothing no one else does

This amounts to nothing more than a handout for inefficient farming businesses. My understanding that some if not all this money will be spent enabling farmers and rural communities to diversify and potentially become profitable and reduce dependence on hand outs. Farms are inefficient because of this handout, there has to be an incentive to invest in buildings equipment and the environment, rather than continue to subsidise small farms.

[lawnseed]

Lost in all of this is the fact that O'Neill's proposals were based on sound economic policy for once...But the DUP farming lobby would prefer to keep taking the European handouts, whilst remaining anti EU. In fact Scotland and England are committing a larger percentage to rural infrastructure.

not so much "rural infrastructure" as sticking their hand in the farmers pocket to pay for environmental projects not necessarily related to farming.
the money you speak of is paid to farmers so they can continue to supply food at below cost prices.. what the governments want to do is take a portion of it to spend on parks and ponds etc its not their money in the eyes of many farmers and they already loss over 50% in administration costs as it is.

it may sound as though farmers get a huge hand out but in fact by the time the governments are finished its not enough. English and welsh farmers are cracking up about the proposal as well since it disadvantages them and they are better paid for their produce than farmers here.
you wont see gimp Kenny trying this it'd be the end of him and he knows it

Why then if this handout from Europe is so needed by the poor farmers are the DUP, UUP,and SF want to kick the EU into touch? Where is this bailout going to come in a post bailout Uk/Ireland?

the single farm payment is supposed to end soon anyway.. but for now why should farmers put up with the government helping themselves to their money as they see it to fund wildlife. farmers already leave portions of land aside for this. land they could otherwise bring into production so it already costs them money they are trying to make money why would they work for nothing no one else does

This amounts to nothing more than a handout for inefficient farming businesses. My understanding that some if not all this money will be spent enabling farmers and rural communities to diversify and potentially become profitable and reduce dependence on hand outs. Farms are inefficient because of this handout, there has to be an incentive to invest in buildings equipment and the environment, rather than continue to subsidise small farms.

land in nordieland changes hands less frequently than land anywhere else in Europe and possibly the least on the planet. small farms get the same subs that big farms get you don't hear large farmers say oh I'm big I don't need my single farm payment they are the ones who scream loudest when subs are cut or delayed.

heres a short calculation..
to kill 20 cattle a week which is the minimum 'contract' on offer you need to handle 1000 cattle a year at roughly 600 each thats 600000 + buildings 800000+ machinery 100000 +land 300 acres @12000/acre 3.6million

20 cattle a week would earn maybe £2000, less wages a farmer + a worker, less all variable costs, less depreciation on buildings +machinery, less tax. heres one.. a fence post is £2.60 you'd need to be buying 100 of these every year just to maintain your fences